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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma bring larvae in strictly once they pupate, as discussed earlier with diana_coman .
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 04:52 mircea_popescu: next shit out of your dumb mouth fails to string match apologizing for being quite so fucking stupid, i'ma fix the negligence whereby you can still speak here.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 22:13 mircea_popescu: much unlike naggum's mythical perl, doods sit around doing nothing all day with their reward circuitry so blownout, they literally fail to understand that no, "your message was too long" is an inacceptable reaction to the situation where "my phone is uselessly broken"
mircea_popescu: now you tell me how you distinguish between case http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892453 and case ~everything this dood spewed. there's http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876356 on the record, and i wasn't kidding then, either. ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: the republic both wholly owns and actually made "their town", as well as themselves and everything else. the relationship is exactly of the nature of http://trilema.com/2018/heres-something-you-dont-see-nearly-often-enough/#selection-119.75-119.401 ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-03 15:04 mircea_popescu: there he sits, remote in hand, "checking to see if there's anything interesting on the tv". are we ready to entertain him yet ? or does he come back later ?
mircea_popescu: #trilema is the forum of the most serene republic, not "an irc channel" or whatever other http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-03#1869074 -bred nonsense / "consumers have come to expect", and i don't give shit one whether the yokels think they have or think they haven't one in "their" town. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: besideswhich, that "some point", whenever it was, certainly was not later than say http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-14#1834669 -- a year ago is ancient history at the rate we go. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-20 00:45 asciilifeform: y'know full well that engineers can't find own head from arse in 'fields easier to observe'
mircea_popescu: like you'd tolerate illiteracy in five year olds, or more generally http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882319 slash http://bingology.net/2019/02/04/ring-lardner-and-confronting-my-own-inner-hayseed/#selection-57.0-63.103 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no but listen, this "republic ?! we ain't heard of no stinkin' republic here in bedford, indiana!" quaintness might've been at some point even tolerated -- but it was always ~tolerated~, and in the terms of "oh, check out this moron".
deedbot: lobbes rated lobbes_field 1 << my handle for when I'm in the $saltmines
asciilifeform: gotta indicate to owner when a piece of iron has realized that it is going south. ☟︎
asciilifeform: incidentally this is a feature that used to be standard on 'adult' comps, but was lost in the pc babel of 1980s
asciilifeform: on hardwarized ffa variants, this output is to be connected to either an actual bell, or at least red 'sad' lamp.
asciilifeform: ( this is ~already~ true, simply not yet connected to the bell. )
asciilifeform: in the 'battlefield' release, all exceptions will be caught by handler that prints 'iron is damaged, replace immediately'
asciilifeform: ( typically this is where an arithmetic has been proven not to overflow, the overflow is connected to a Word of 'NoCarry' type, i.e. whose range is 0 .. 0 . )
asciilifeform: on that subj, attentive ffa reader will notice in certain places asciilifeform marked in comment 'cosmic ray resistance' . this indicates mechanisms where there are two or more separate pieces that ensure a correct computation (or death with alarm bells) if somehow bit flips , when this is inexpensive. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i.e. they're the 'suspenders' in a 'belt and suspenders' tandem.
asciilifeform: they do make elementary mistakes in calling coad 100x moar obvious tho, and therefore are a win imho.
asciilifeform: re preconditions : theoretically they allow for certain optimizations ( mythical 'sufficiently smart compiler' could infer that various range checks cannot be violated if precondition holds ) but afaik our gnat doesn't do this, and i'm not certain that i'd like it if it did
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i orig had mine set to '05 also.
asciilifeform: wasn't implying that diana_coman picked with dartboard, lolno.
diana_coman: well, I really started with 2005 but then I had to upgrade, hence my "I need". It's not blindly,no.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: fwiw i didn't end up on 2012 blindly, actually walked the feature ladder and consciously picked. ☟︎
asciilifeform: -83 won't build diana_coman's proggy either, there was no tasks annex in -83.
asciilifeform: this can be worked around, but would add gnarl, and i won't touch it unless someone gives a compelling argument re why oughta build on a -83.
asciilifeform: truly vintage (ada-83) won't eat ffa, there is use of 'in out' parameters.
asciilifeform: ( theoretically will build on a 2005 or prior adatron, if they are removed, if one must. )
asciilifeform: re ada2012, that was actually a good q, and i'll answer it for the log : ffa in fact uses preconditions, a 2012 knob.
asciilifeform: the puzzlers aint actually that painful imho.
asciilifeform: can't see how could go wrong with that.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: posssibly i oughtn't to graduate'em till they solve all the ffa homeworks.
asciilifeform: i dun have a dispute re the principle, it's The Right Thing.
diana_coman: but that's the point: side-channels are permissive, #trilema is not; and on the sharp end of it, coming in too early can result in negrate ☟︎
asciilifeform: eh if mircea_popescu says 'you aint ready to graduate kindergarten' i aint about to dispute an' 'no, let's graduate'im to 1st grade'. was curious re the logic, is all.
diana_coman: and at any rate if it needs stating: I'm talking for myself here, not for mircea_popescu
diana_coman: asciilifeform, mno; quite sure we already had this thread already though so I'll let it rest
diana_coman: not suggesting there might not be other cases or anything but so far that's what I see
diana_coman: fwiw my current (even recently updated!) rule for "when to invite" is ~ "when they are either asking intelligent questions in side-chan already OR have made something useful OR have a concrete, interesting proposition explored first in side-chan" ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: so apparently he hadn't read all 7 yrs of log. tho mircea_popescu did not say that this was why got the boot.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 01:40 verisimilitude: Let's seque to a related topic: What do you think of the Suckless crowd, asciilifeform? I read their mailing list and it's interesting to see how everything UNIX already provides is good and natural and how anything that violates the sacred tenants whatsoever is evil and bloat.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, for my curiosity: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892640 -> how is this ANY different from all the other "hey guise, I'ma signal nao" ; by now the "what do you think of X" is almost a signal in itself ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( once they have magnum opus and not prior ? )
asciilifeform: also will ask mircea_popescu to expand re when, exactly, one oughta invite folx from castle. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i'ma wait till mircea_popescu speaks for himself and clarifies, but that seems to be his position
diana_coman: there is both need and space for more hands; but their training is to happen in the castles-channels, not directly in #trilema; that's my current understanding at least
diana_coman: asciilifeform, no, how do you jump to that?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i.e. we have all the hands we'll ever want ?
diana_coman: for one thing it's not *that* year anymore, perhaps that's the missing bit there
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's a teachable n00b, as suggested by his www. similar to e.g. bvt .
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I must admit I fail to see *what* did the guy actually contribute; moreover he asked as far as I can see signalling questions, nothing more; granted, they were related to Ada but that's about the only positive I can find in the whole log I had to go through; perhaps it's simply too early for him to be here? maybe first have something done and only then come and show it? ☟︎
asciilifeform: maybe coupla thou noobs with working hands alive; i catch 1 in the wild, and mircea_popescu uses for target practice, i dunget.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i gotta admit i'm baffled, d00d asked re whether i used ada2012, that's breach of etiquette ?
asciilifeform: 'where they cut off yer lips when they don't like yer smile!'(tm)(r)(disney)
mircea_popescu: There's really no need for pompous assholes vomiting their self importance all over the log. Dude hasn't read at the very least the basics, can't ~possibly~ be fucking welcome here, let him go to reddit or whatever an' be happy there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform Would you do me a favour and drill into the randos some basics of etiquette before inviting them over / rating them ?
verisimilitude: I'm looking through more of these Ada links you provided earlier, asciilifeform; do you not use Ada 2012?
verisimilitude: If you're referring to my earlier disconnect, that was an accident.
mircea_popescu: why's he voice himself on a different nick then ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i sent him to reg w/ deedbot an' try voicing, deliberately, d00d spoke at my explicit invitation.
mircea_popescu: next clever dork gets the ban.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that was the one ! ty
a111: Logged on 2014-10-21 19:27 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2009/inchipuiti-va/ << this is incidentally great reading on the topic, albeit in languages.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 22:58 asciilifeform: hm where was that mircea_popescu piece re the magick furniture..
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/no-such-labs-snsa-january-2019-statement/ << Trilema -- No Such lAbs (S.NSA), January 2019 Statement
a111: 16 results for "dip them", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dip%20them
asciilifeform: !#s dip them
asciilifeform: wonder if the marketwizards knew.
lobbes is a day or so behind on logs, goes to continue catching up
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-02#1891494 << as of now, no. I would like to see this built, but I have other items to get to first (http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/01/hopper-update-january-2019/) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 16:38 mircea_popescu: incidentally, either spyked or lobbes what do you need to make a complete gutenberg.org copy ? it IS going away, for one thing the initiator guy died and for the other thing, with their world-famous http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-15#1627828 there's no way they'll stay online all that long.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892264 << looks like spyked is going to take care of it (though, I dun mind rsyncing it as well) >> http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/082-tmsr-schedule-i.html#selection-201.0-213.84 ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, cocaine much better p. universalis than say radithor.
mircea_popescu: funny thing is, 20% "success rate" drug is FDA approved, "only effective treatment"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol is there a pill for 'abstinent' from nail-biting also
mircea_popescu: for the same money could treat them with cocaine.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other lulz, "Medical uses Varenicline is used for smoking cessation. A meta-analysis found that less than 20% of people treated with varenicline remain abstinent from smoking at one year."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he lives there orig, seemed ready to be introduced to other folx, as adaist. i expect will mostly lurk for the foreseeable fyootur.
mircea_popescu: suppose you move over to #asciilifeform then ? because EXACTLY as the topic says, if you don't know where you are, you shouldn't be here.
verisimilitude: Well, as much as one can on IRC over a short time, anyway.
asciilifeform shall bbl, has meat to attend to
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: d00d lurked for yrs, i dun think he will suffer from waiting a min.
mircea_popescu shall actually write that report, get to log in a minute.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was massaging a n00b, tends to take space.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: as a concrete example : you will find that ffa uses an unmoving hinge for karatsuba multiplication. consequently all numbers are required to occupy a space that is a power-of-two bits wide. but from this you get a 3-4x simpler mechanism.
asciilifeform: because he understands the arithmetic.
asciilifeform: and explain why every single byte he wrote, needs to be where it is.
asciilifeform: a student who reads & understood the thing, oughta be able to 'compile' with bare hands, using nothing but hex editor, for any iron he is given.
asciilifeform: ffa in particular is intended as , among other things, a didactic demonstration of what means 'fits-in-head'.
verisimilitude: That's reasonable; I've done that much.
asciilifeform: but if author failed to consciously commit to this constraint, in general the resulting work will ~never~ fit-in-head.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: 1st step is to actually impose on yerself the constraint, 'what i am writing ~is to fit in my head~. then can proceed to help other folx fit into ~theirs~.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 02:43 asciilifeform: if you need a 'proof system' to prove $assertion, you have NOT proven it. not to me.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: see, for instance, thread http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876186 ☝︎
verisimilitude: Sure; my system I have in mind to make as perfect as I can certainly fits in a normal-sized head, or should.
asciilifeform: if system does not 'fit in head', it does not even make sense to ~pose the question~ re whether it is bug-free.
verisimilitude: We all have different ideas of perfection; you could just have it include this.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: field is not at the 'let's discover immortality' stage; but at the 'start fucking washing hands and not drilling well right next to latrine' stage.