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mod6: So it's really a two headed ugly bug.
mod6: In the array, there is a missing ',', which causes gcc/g++ not to puke, and simply ADDS(!) the two values together... in this case we had ,-1 -1, giving us -2. This does 2 things, shortens the filled depth of the array by 1, and changing the value from -1 (at index 111) to -2 (0xfe).
mod6: So this one is rather ugly; however, after analysis it appears that to step on the landmine one would have to pass a lower case 'o' to the ParseHex function. Which is outside the Hexadecimal range 0-9A-F. Not that someone couldn't do it, just that my guess is that the probability of hitting it is lower.
mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-April/000298.html << Lords & Ladies of The Most Serene Republic, enclosed is a defect I found in existing TRB, it's analysis, and fix.
mircea_popescu: douchebag, aite, so do a hundred or so, gpg me the links when done, and we can talk about how to franchise it after ?
mircea_popescu: what i want you to do is first run this as a pilot ; and then see if you can find boys wanting to earn.
mircea_popescu: the way this would work in practice is : ima pay people to post links to trilema with a 50-100 word comment on forums. i figure it's worth what, a coupla bux ?
mircea_popescu: so, i want to run a little experiment, see if bioware can actually outperform my machinery as it stands, and perhaps learn a thing or two.
asciilifeform: ( and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560740 , and there was a particular link some time in past yr which i now cannot find, where someone actually went and ~measured~ the reaction time delay of msdos, various winblowz boxen from past 20yr, crapple, bolix, etc etc and found exactly what i'd expect him to find ) ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2014-11-16 18:45 asciilifeform: so, as described in my 'going nowhere' article, the modern winblows pc is in fact less efficient for virtually any practical purpose than its predecessors two decades earlier, despite a titanic amount of effort poured into the cpu micro-optimizations
asciilifeform: in, say , 1950s, they had many fewer engineers (there was not this peculiar compulsion to conscript errything with a pulse into 'engineering' ) and the ones they had, designed autobahn ramps, there was all the employment they could use
asciilifeform: ideally you want a 'polaroid'-sized box, i.e. a fungible cartridge that starts out as coupla grams of sandwiched $layers, and ends up after exposure as $ic
asciilifeform: 'clean room' solves itself if you could somehow get 100% of the process to fit in a reasonably small hermetic box..
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: doubtful, for same reason that electron microscope has not become any cheaper. high vacuum system is a bitch, and exactly same bitch today as in 1930.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 18:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i strongly suspect that 'polaroid' is the correct path. ( i.e. photographic input of where-what-goes; all of the chemistry needed -- sealed in a capsule, pops and exposes )
PeterL: I guess the religionsts would impart a different meaning to "clean" as well
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly you have a handwritten mpex.biz entry in /etc/hosts and points to different box ?
mircea_popescu: will keep an eye out for a day or two just in case. complaints y quejas go here <
ave1: As far as I can see, the culprit is this part "-I/opt/gnat/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.9.4/rts-native/adalib /opt/gnat/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.9.4/rts-native/adalib/../adainclude", It contains a space in the "-I", so now gnatmake thinks it needs to build an "adainclude" which will fail. I'll look into how these vars a set. (It's the ADA_INCLUDES flag in the makefile).
ave1: asciilifeform: the exact same line in my build output shows almost the same -I directories, except all end with adalib/../adainclude, that last part '../adainclude' seems to be missing on your side. I will start a rebuild with some extra logging on that line. I will get back to it tomorrow. In the mean time, I have only set the path to the adacore gnat tools and I do not have any other GNAT* flags or CFLAGS or LDFLAGS etc. etc.
mircea_popescu: even a mediocre child takes nine months to bake.
mircea_popescu: heck, i am now contemplating the strict unthinkable years ago, a sane build process for eulora server o.O
a111: 4 results for "frantic activity as a cover for impotence", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=frantic%20activity%20as%20a%20cover%20for%20impotence
mircea_popescu: !#s frantic activity as a cover for impotence
mircea_popescu: in front of this, whether we idly decide that he's just dumb or actually evil, ie, his brain dun work like in the case of say bernstein ; or his brain doth work, but he deliberately attempts to shannonize republican words into imperial outcomes, a la curtis yarvin, jwz, whatever.... well what fucking difference does it make. ☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform at one time made own pcb routinely, 2sided even, and all of the req'd kit fit in a suitcase and most of it obtainable at photography shops
BingoBoingo: New year is January 1st. Is there a second parallel Jew year that starts in May?
asciilifeform: the diff is in re how commoditizable/fungible the raw material. it is not trivial to make paper that'll feed a laser printer and not catch fire / clog the rollers, but no one suffers any shortage of said paper today, it is produced on massive scale and sold for half penny / sheet
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, let's call it a ~design~ notation process, rather than fabbing ?
mircea_popescu: it's something like bullet. "hard to make gunpowder, need saltpeter" "i know, we'll make these little cartridges, with the needed saltpeter included" "yes but now you need a bullet factory"
mircea_popescu: where -- less important, if, of course, you have a placenta factory.
mircea_popescu: but you're just doing what he did in a more... encapsulated way.
asciilifeform: rather than, e.g., physically moving microscopic parts ( generally a nonstarter )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i strongly suspect that 'polaroid' is the correct path. ( i.e. photographic input of where-what-goes; all of the chemistry needed -- sealed in a capsule, pops and exposes ) ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 16:16 asciilifeform: ( for the sake of thread-completeness, what would the ~alternative~ to this story look like? i suggest -- it'd be a process which does to ic fab what 'polaroid' process did to colour photography. find way of etching the circuit from prefab 'sandwich' without caustic baths, sputtering, etc... )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806493 << now you know what a vagina feels like! << What about menopause? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: iirc one of the usg's own oligarchs (ie, inept dorks given money by a govt to pretend they're businessmen and can compete with us, exactly in the vein of http://trilema.com/2014/the-death-of-taxes/#selection-185.266-185.1138 ) even SAID THOSE WORDS.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aaaha. sorta like a high-tech version of it. or moar general phenomenon of 'easy to make $mil: begin with $bil..'
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 16:06 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806449 << this appears to be honest work, but if you look at what he actually did, and with what resources, the 'imponade' evaporates away -- he made a coupla-transistor ic , and with 'garage' filled with a princely collection of surplus industrial gear ( electron microscope, sputtering chamber, ~very~ high end optical microscopes, incl. the one he junkyard-wars'd into a lithography box ) ,
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806515 << recall the black genius kid who made a clock out of "household materials" such as... a clock ? ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 15:51 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806496 << first world "men" don't understand the concept of hygiene, i suspect that as the infrastructure starts failing this would be the number one reason of rapid decay. hygiene not just in a sense of "washing hands", but the idea that there's certain procedures that you have to follow in order to not get fucked over by the environment
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu has a pretty good oubliette design on trilema a while bacj
asciilifeform: lol, полк is a ploc ?!
mircea_popescu: well, i always thought polkovnik is a guy who brings graft money.
asciilifeform: reminds me, of how asciilifeform once time thought that the common surname 'subrahmanian' refers to something like a lieutenant-brahmin
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806493 << now you know what a vagina feels like! ☝︎
ave1: The only system I was unsuccessful so far was a machine without static libraries
ave1: (a modern redhat system also, just for fun)
ave1: Yes I have developed and run this on a computer without musl
asciilifeform: ave1: ( have you tested this on a box that has never seen musl ? ^this is what i got. )
ave1: A sorry, I stand corrected, it needs to be an absolute directory name
ave1: I made a mistake on the earlier assertion, it works on glibc machines
asciilifeform: because this means that asciilifeform cannot currently even begin to test ave1's thing -- asciilifeform does not have a musltronic-linux machine
ave1: yes, but on a different architecture, i.e. you can build aarch64 on x86_64
asciilifeform: so lemme get this straight : this entire thing requires a pre-existing 100%-musltronic linux, to work at all ??
ave1: BTW although it does build code based on shared libraries, this code needs the musl "ld.so" to live at a specific place, so that does not work.
ave1: It's an artifact of the original script, you get a 'cross' compiler that creates code for the same machin
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'll put teh scare quotes in a clown mask next time
ave1: you'll need gnat2016 from AdaCore on an intel 64bit machine, and that should be all (except for a shell tar, curl etc)
ave1: asciilifeform, that work has been done, it builds a native compiler with gcc/g++ and gnatmake but not with gprbuild yet (this last one can be build on the target machine). I can build the FFA code on an aarch64 machine with the resulting compiler.
a111: Logged on 2015-02-18 04:31 asciilifeform: the only thing that seems certain imho is that starting from existing concept of ic fab is a dead end
asciilifeform: ave1: i.e. is the tarball 'ready for primetime' ? ... or requires toothpicks, glue, and a month of ???
ave1: asciilifeform, Thanks! I seem to have made a copy and paste error. Links should be updated now...
asciilifeform: ( for the sake of thread-completeness, what would the ~alternative~ to this story look like? i suggest -- it'd be a process which does to ic fab what 'polaroid' process did to colour photography. find way of etching the circuit from prefab 'sandwich' without caustic baths, sputtering, etc... ) ☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: picture, with access to e.g. boeing's , junkyard, a similar d00d could build something like the nazi 1-seat jet, with own hands also. but to describe it as 'garage-buildable jet' is rather chumpatronic spin imho.
asciilifeform: point being, d00d made 0 fundamental breakthrough that would enable 'cheap ic fab' or anything even with stretch of imagination describable as such a thing.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806449 << this appears to be honest work, but if you look at what he actually did, and with what resources, the 'imponade' evaporates away -- he made a coupla-transistor ic , and with 'garage' filled with a princely collection of surplus industrial gear ( electron microscope, sputtering chamber, ~very~ high end optical microscopes, incl. the one he junkyard-wars'd into a lithography box ) , ☝︎☟︎
BigTexasBingo: We don't have threatening mosquitoes here. There is a bit of Dengue in the North of Uruaguay, but in the city it isn't a thing
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806496 << first world "men" don't understand the concept of hygiene, i suspect that as the infrastructure starts failing this would be the number one reason of rapid decay. hygiene not just in a sense of "washing hands", but the idea that there's certain procedures that you have to follow in order to not get fucked over by the environment ☝︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: By the time the fuckers leave there is a disturbingly high chance everything that isn't already mildewed will be.
jurov: mod6: when you have such complicated text, it's best to keep it clearsigned in a file.
trinque: ^ if it's skipping forward faster than 6 at a time, it's not going to barf them all up.
lobbesbot: trinque: Sent 5 hours and 35 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> deedbot seems to have skipped a number of phuctor rss ticks today
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: if lobbes wants to run ircbot separately, without the logbot functionality, he could if he liked, and without taking a dependency on the logbot stuffs. 'tis why they're separate trees.
ben_vulpes: your listening process just needs to 'listen log_new_message' and then use whatever the wait-for-message abstraction is in the programming language for your responding service to wait for the primary key to come in, read that line out of the table and then either insert a response into outbox with the appropriate target or not as it chooses
mircea_popescu: you know you've run this thing in a pretty confusing manner! there's like... 3 roots people don't know which to pick ?
ben_vulpes: logbot provides a very handy set of slots for plugging responders into
lobbes: anyone out there with a running instance of logbot-multiple-channels-corrected (ben_vulpes, danielpbarron)? I've run into the same issue alf was having >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758074 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: there's a humongous swath of republican land just waiting for a plow shaped exactly like a trader's who studied probability in school and spends his days building predictive models.
mircea_popescu: you ever read say http://trilema.com/2015/whoever-said-resource-allocation-is-a-solved-problem-deserves-a-kick-in-the-nads/ ?
pinochle: there is not a word I disagree with ; so I have errored in that way, but the path forward is clear
mircea_popescu: person-as-a-black-box needs inca's services for human interaction, hence "stop campus rape" etc.
mircea_popescu: "here's a black box", howsoever implemented in practice, "really lengthy patch you don't have the time to read" or "my poker bot" or whatever, is not-this.
pinochle: I see ; a motivating factor for going off and building was, selfishly, to learn
mircea_popescu: alright ; and you figure "hey, i implemented a poker bot" is this ?
pinochle: don't be a man alone
pinochle: begin with a small, reliable contribution, don't reinvent wheels
a111: Logged on 2018-04-29 14:58 mircea_popescu: yes, it was. to summarize, careful what you do with your patches, in the following sense : if diana_coman doesn't CONTINUE your patch, it will have to be reground later. as she's a human being with other problems and interests than folding in your alt universe, it helps IMMENSELY if you make your patches small and readable.
pinochle: in the past I worked as a trader ; studied probability in school ; current work is building predictive models, often an exercise in futility
a111: Logged on 2018-04-20 16:38 ben_vulpes: pinochle: reg a key and build a name now, lest you build the thing and nobody uses it because who is this person
pinochle: mp, can I interest you in a game?
pinochle: I've completed an implementation of http://trilema.com/2018/trilema-poker-bot-spec/ ; In an effort to not barf all over the logs, I have it up and running in a separate channel for demonstration. Any lord interested in playing some hands can join #polkaroom
zx2c4: re:your ECC skepticism and RSA-love -- a while back the NSA changed the Suite B recommendations to partially remove ECC for new crypto systems and also removed P256 IIRC. There was a great paper analyzing what the possible motivations could be, i think called 'an enigma inside a riddle' or something goofy like that. Let me find it...
asciilifeform: !Q later tell trinque deedbot seems to have skipped a number of phuctor rss ticks today
mircea_popescu: everything in the zone gotta be a dorm.
mircea_popescu: back at reality ranch, pie dough out of a pound of butter takes like 2kgs of flour, and is enough to feed a whole regiment two days.
mircea_popescu: and in other "holy shit these people", flour bag comes with apple pie recipe. which is just as well cuz gals just baked one. the flour bag recipe calls for... 3-4 apples, HALF A POUNT OF BUTTER and two.5 cups flour.
BingoBoingo: Their answer to that point is that "the company" cares. They aren't very clear on that leading me to suspect they are human trafficking chattel brought in on a sort of year long vacation package which gives them an allowance while "the company" milks the money from the "teaching" on at least a couple sides.
BingoBoingo: Turns out the answer is a bunch of Irish potato nigger "English Teachers" doing a visa run from Argentina.
BingoBoingo: In other news the hostel this weekend is full. The staff helpfully let me know in advance so I could prepare. Given it is Autumn and the weather this weekend is biased towards torrential downpours I wondered "Who would be vacationing here at a time like this?"