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a111: Logged on 2017-12-22 02:06 phf: that's what btcbase does™
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756258 << that's the idea. you can attempt to press any of the extant items seen on phf's viewer, see if you get correct presses. http://btcbase.org/patches ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 19:38 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-20#1755450 << i've picked up a book in new orleans, “Symbolic computation : applications to scientific computing”, it's all macsyma and various sussman style scheme hacks for exploring dynamic systems, but an interesting trick that almost all the code uses, which i guess was sop in lisp world at some point, is to do visualization and control on a lisp machine, but do the heavy numeric simulations in fortran 77. the in
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1756170 << quite. phf has it. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 01:18 phf: "The l0de radio hour is a long-running live call-in show that irregularly broadcasts over the internet, and to pirate shortwave and FM stations. It is hosted by Lode Ray Dio, a gypsy hustler with a long history of fraud, grifting, and treason. The show is notable for its frequent cancellations, obscene and bizarre content, and a high rate of listener suicide."
asciilifeform: phf did it correctly !
asciilifeform: oyea phf pretty sure i saw this
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d2YLr/?raw=true << plaintxtization of the lulgem from phf's link
a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 01:52 phf: i think correct method would really be to get the transaction out as a binary array into shiva, and then have a transaction parser in shiva itself that'll break it down into a sexp or whatever
a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 02:17 ben_vulpes: phf: well i'd like to get something out of trb that i can dump into a txrelayulator
a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 02:17 ben_vulpes: phf: well i'd like to get something out of trb that i can dump into a txrelayulator
ben_vulpes: phf: well i'd like to get something out of trb that i can dump into a txrelayulator ☟︎☟︎
ben_vulpes: phf: i was thinking something in this area http://btcbase.org/patches/makefiles/tree/bitcoin/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp#L1320
ben_vulpes: phf: the latter
ben_vulpes: phf: total transformerphone
ben_vulpes: phf: you know me so well
a111: Logged on 2015-07-28 03:18 phf: asciilifeform: my point was that feature phones are not particularly good at their claimed purpose, that buying an old nokia is a hemingwriter, and compared to them iphone has a good sound quality.
ben_vulpes: phf: rocking the 'mp01' or what
asciilifeform: phf: i've always wondered if it is possible to make a 'programming toy' proggy for touchpnojes that actually makes productive use of the fingers , rather than torturing user with simulated kbd
ben_vulpes: phf: oh that's nifty
asciilifeform: iirc phf's diff is ~6 kLoc
mircea_popescu: phf basically, dedicatedly "we don't own the state" engineer-mind, the exact correlate of http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-06#1043852 ☝︎
asciilifeform: phf: there is no amount of bending-over-backwards that is toomuch for these usefulidjits
asciilifeform: phf: the 'special' status of macros always bothered me
asciilifeform: phf: i'ma guess this is 90% of the world of 'stfu, no , i won't publish it'
a111: Logged on 2017-12-20 18:29 phf: the fact that macro evaluator inlines both compiled and non-compiled macros, which means that you have to manual track macro dependency and tediously reevaluate even when working in an interactive environment
asciilifeform: phf: strictly arguing against 'worked for the romans' mode of thinking
trinque: phf: neato
a111: Logged on 2017-12-20 18:27 phf: the fact that character type is not dynamic (which to be fair is the property of all free lisps for some reason), so if you're dealing with text, you're forced into 32byte per character nonsense
asciilifeform: phf: what didja say was rotten in sbcl 1.3.11 ?
mircea_popescu: phf right.
asciilifeform: phf: i also tried this, ~decade ago, quite impossible
asciilifeform: phf: i dun grasp why box needs troff.
mircea_popescu: phf hate was re two things. a) i utterly failed to parse z(item) into (item) so hated ; and b) soelim was a dirty hack [atop a meanwhile pointless item].
mircea_popescu: phf let's stick to factuals. 1. is groff or is groff not a "free and open" gnu theft of troff ; 2. was or was not groff a thinly veiled excuse by at&t coders who wanted a pdp to get it, because "they'll make a patents editing system" ? 3. did they or did they not simply copy roff, 1960s era item ?
mircea_popescu: phf what is it ?
asciilifeform: phf: funnily enuff, systemd is mentioned in them there docs.
asciilifeform: phf: wassat
mircea_popescu: yes, actually, phf's formalization is prolly the natural schelling point here. "there's an impedance mismatch between procedurals and serializations and this needs care and feeding."
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 06:09 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754013 << 11753, well that's enough for tonight
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 18:56 phf: mircea_popescu: i think that's when one of those arguments where poking at it we discover there's no any substantial disagreement. i think we're thinking of same thing but from slightly different direction. i was thinking whatever we come up with for graphics will still have a gui interface, where one can use a mouse, etc. to lay out and modify objects. in that case and given existing models a diff will produce a lot of mechanical noise, which is accid
asciilifeform: i dun think phf was witness to the match trick
asciilifeform: phf: i actually considered cryptotron in form of a nintendo (or similar) cartridge.
asciilifeform: phf: you remind me of asciilifeform's brother's reaction to being shown a vr headset , yrs ago. he spake thusly : 'it's better than two rusty nails on a rope'
mircea_popescu: phf i rthought that was amiga.
mircea_popescu: and "here's what i remember of what phf and alf said 15 to 45 years ago" is not nearly the same thing
mircea_popescu: phf then related to what ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the "no ---/+++" went away in discussion last round, when phf's notational view prevailed
mircea_popescu: phf i thought i said explicitly the proposed patching of svg is merely TO TEST the patching system from a diff perspectrive.
mircea_popescu: phf so i take it you much preferred classical to analytical geometry in school ?
mircea_popescu: phf was your idea that "well maybe you just don't have a very clear picture of what x was in the first place, gotta press to it" ? ie, accumulating mental errors over the patch flow to GET TO x ?
mircea_popescu: phf either i'm not understanding what a .vpatch is or wut ?
mircea_popescu: phf what is the problem with svg ?
mircea_popescu: phf patches are in fact literature, yes.
asciilifeform: phf: literature is entirely representable as explicit ast
asciilifeform: we actually had the ast-diff thread, re phf's lisp diff lament. ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: afaik moore still uses ascii
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 16:57 mircea_popescu: phf the correct approach to this is pre-diff filtering masks.
mircea_popescu: phf the correct approach to this is pre-diff filtering masks. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: phf ayup.
asciilifeform: phf: there's no place for 'merge' as a concept in a vtronic system.
asciilifeform: phf: 'ignore', 'merge', anything pertaining to either
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 16:23 phf: perhaps we can get g_l to move there
a111: Logged on 2017-12-14 19:42 mircea_popescu: phf are you amenable to re-writing diff btw ? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747792 is going to happen later this year, and v-immutability is a pita.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 04:27 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1753928 << 24132
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 02:51 phf: first pass line reduction of diffutils, from 300407 to 50312
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 03:37 phf: trick question, why do you need a signal handler in a differ?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 02:51 phf: first pass line reduction of diffutils, from 300407 to 50312
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 02:08 phf: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu do we want to keep the exclude functionality? i sometimes use it in test runs, but this'll let me get rid of regex (for now anyway)
asciilifeform: phf: lemme guess, it was by nuking autoconf
asciilifeform: neato, phf
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 04:23 phf: which is handy if you're using something else to produce the patch, or if you need to use a non-trivial diff command. for example i sometimes need to exclude files from diffing, so a command might look like diff -x foo -x bar -x qux -ruN a b | grep -v '^Binary files ' | vdiff > foo.vpatch
asciilifeform: why wouldja do this, phf ?
asciilifeform: which is this, phf
asciilifeform: and on phf's
mircea_popescu: phf you know, that pretty graphing item
asciilifeform: neato, ty phf !
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 16:34 mircea_popescu: or more properly speaking i suppose, can you v that thing so phf can then not plop into his ever-growing lisp visualizer because it's not written in lisp and tee hee ?
mircea_popescu: or more properly speaking i suppose, can you v that thing so phf can then not plop into his ever-growing lisp visualizer because it's not written in lisp and tee hee ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: phf yes ; and this fix is further breaking
asciilifeform: phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752403 << thread ☝︎
ben_vulpes: phf: nah not particularly interesting to me, i got out of that gox early q2 this year, but sfyl
mircea_popescu: phf i use vlc. i prefer to sacrifice a box to it than waste anyone's time thus.
asciilifeform: phf: why are you doing it
asciilifeform: phf: i gotta ask : 'why'
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 01:25 phf: meanwhile, homebrew, the mac os x package manager, finally pulled the final bate and switch. "build from source" option is now marked as "unsupported" (!!!) in the man pages, everything's being pulled using precompiled archives. building a non-trivial set of packages from source fails along the way with clearly misconfigured formulas. this is possibly of interest only to ben_vulpes (?)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phf's summary is entirely troo, naggum's item was about time ~units~, zones, seasons. rather than physical concept.
mircea_popescu: phf wut are you talking aboot ?
asciilifeform finds himself in agreement with phf , ~all reasonably-clean distillates taste ~same to him
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform phf https://arxiv.org/abs/1408.2499 << check him out
cazalla: phf, 26yr excellence was nice, but maybe i built it up in my mind to be something other given its cost, i'd be just as happy to drink the 18 or 15 tbh, not that i drink much at all these days anyway
mircea_popescu: cazalla phf all your questions are answered i presume ?
mircea_popescu: phf it's bait btw.
mircea_popescu: phf hm ?
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf plox to intern sigs at http://www.dianacoman.com/reference-code-shelf , ty
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf plox to intern http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mpi/ffa_ch1_genesis.vpatch.benvulpes.sig
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf plox to intern http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/ffa_ch1_genesis.vpatch.peterl.sig
asciilifeform: this particular problem will go away when phf bakes his new-type vdifftron . but until then it will prolly recur.
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf plox to update ffa in /patches , ty
a111: Logged on 2017-12-15 01:57 phf: diana_coman: since you basically split from mpi, i put you into a separate project http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=eucrypt