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asciilifeform: it's of more use to me as a scientific toy than as a few new tires for car or a dozen spare disks.
asciilifeform: apologies if i've given someone, somewhere, the strange notion that i'm interested in parting with my microscopic collection of btc.
asciilifeform: let's put it this way. a pile of usd without at least seven or eight decimally-significant zeros trailing after it, would make absolutely no difference to how i live.
asciilifeform: other thing is, i don't have enough to sell, and present exchange rates being, to really notice the resulting pile of usd, even if it could magically land in my usd piggy without official attention.
asciilifeform: for no particularly good reason
asciilifeform: jurov: i'd be charged tax, most likely
asciilifeform: jurov: if bezzle usd, then it's on the radar.
asciilifeform: last farmer's market of the year on my street is tonight, and i shall be buying a few tomatoes possibly with it
asciilifeform: well, almost anything
asciilifeform: jurov: except that i can't use paper usd for anything
asciilifeform: jurov: buy what?
asciilifeform: mammon << sterculius.
asciilifeform: !b 15 ✂︎
asciilifeform: can't imagine i'm the only one, though.
asciilifeform: i just deduced it now.
asciilifeform: afaik this here is the only place you'll hear the argument.
asciilifeform: but now you're aware.
asciilifeform: so sorely missing from bitcoin from the point of view of the enemy.
asciilifeform: bip64, aside from complicating the protocol and giving relevance to the gavin shitgang, is also a jam-tomorrow chumpatronic engineering structural element ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: alice in the looking-glass, famously is offered 'jam tomorrow and jam yesterday -- but never jam today.'
asciilifeform: *revocable
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^^^^^
asciilifeform admits that he suspects bip64 of being a plot to create usg-like bonds in btc. folks will be asked to trace X proper btc for X+epsilon 'locked' ones that are to land back in their pocket 'in the future', should they live long enough, but are actually recovable 'because this is how the world works' ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform reads the thing
asciilifeform: if a critical mass of ntp servers (e.g. the u.s. hierarchy) is pwned, there go your timelocks.
asciilifeform: which is not something that currently afflicts node operators
asciilifeform: the other, unrelated point about the timelock business, is that it introduces an incentive to monkey with timekeeping
asciilifeform: what does the 'lock' prevent the enemy from doing, that he could have done otherwise ?
asciilifeform: why?
asciilifeform: you want the btc network to be your 'cron' ?
asciilifeform: if you like to keep the privkey to the 1000 buried in concrete at the bottom of the sea - you can sign X tx'es of B btc each, and transmit those each day with cron job
asciilifeform: when you sent to them manually each day.
asciilifeform: they didn't before
asciilifeform: i understand the 'what.' but not the 'why.'
asciilifeform: in the case of delay mechanism: you've broadcast a set of delayed transactions that will keep landing in the now-stolen addr. nightly.
asciilifeform: install new machine, with new address, more guards.
asciilifeform: take ordinary, delay-less coin. you fill up the atm's addr nightly, say. if you are told that someone walked away with the machine, you no longer send to that one.
asciilifeform: let's work example
asciilifeform: what's the actual purpose of the delay ?
asciilifeform: if you already broadcast the delayed tx, all the thief has to do is wait.
asciilifeform: per unit time. but what can you do if someone walks with the privkey to the landing address?
asciilifeform: !up mrjr
asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov nothing in my mailbox from turdatron.
asciilifeform: mrjr: delayed transaction, per that scheme, still eventually lands in an addr. secured with what if not priv key ?
asciilifeform: mrjr: secure your bitcoins in nlocked transactions rather than protecting the priv key << wai wat.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: ask him where it wedged in his case
asciilifeform: nubbins`: iirc ben_vulpes did
asciilifeform: there are also idiots. some of whom are of the 'useful idiot' variety
asciilifeform: there is precisely one enemy. but with many tentacles.
asciilifeform: hence, they add up to an act of sabotage. what probably amounts to a hard fork that 'no one' noticed.
asciilifeform: if what i just said seems like nuttery, consider this. the 'bug fixes', so obviously bright and good, by phoundation since 0.5.3 - somehow add up to us not being able to load a full blockchain.
asciilifeform: *phase transition
asciilifeform: this is a phrase transition of sorts.
asciilifeform: at this point, the enemy is enemy not simply because of what he does or may do, but because of what he has done and what he is.
asciilifeform: how? because it then serves as bait, sugar so that you will swallow the shit.
asciilifeform: one of the facts re: the phoundation is - even if gavin et. al. add something that is unambiguously, probably, angelically, positive to their turd - it is still an act of evil.
asciilifeform: we've a dire case of featuritis.
asciilifeform: i wouldn't.
asciilifeform: 'doctor, it hurts when i do it.' 'don't do it.'
asciilifeform: no gavin, no gavinisms - no problem.
asciilifeform: problem?
asciilifeform: but more generally, any and all 'improvements' from the enemy ought to be thought of as 'fruits of poison tree'
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#919065 ☝︎
asciilifeform: this means - ordinary unix patch.
asciilifeform: in order to be studied in such a way as to be signable with good conscience, a given delta must exist as a purely human-readable document, of minimal length and formatting complexity.
asciilifeform: the deltas between the original and the end product are to be studied and judged by the participants (currently ben_vulpes, mod6, and occasionally yours truly)
asciilifeform: gavin is a fellow on the enemy side.
asciilifeform: i'm only involved briefly and by accident.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes and mod6
asciilifeform: Adlai: let's backtrack. the purpose of the effort spoken of earlier is to go from a 'bitcoind' of known pedigree to something worth using as a reference for, possibly in the future, reimplementation (how and by whom, deliberately not said)
asciilifeform: battlefield: an elevator.
asciilifeform: but this here is more of a sword vs pistol debate.
asciilifeform: ah, the ancient mines vs sentries debate.
asciilifeform: Adlai: elaborate please re: theoretical.
asciilifeform: punkman: seems unlikely
asciilifeform: punkman: germany has same electric rates for residential and commercial lines ?
asciilifeform: Adlai: i like 'git', 'darcs', etc. automata just as much as the next lazy fellow. but they are wholly inappropriate for this application. try to see why.
asciilifeform: Adlai: once you understand why i suggested it, and why those who agreed - agreed - you will learn something interesting.
asciilifeform: Adlai: manual patching is a deliberate choice here. each patch is a document that those who sign it are expected to actually read -and- understand.
asciilifeform: Adlai: darcs << as a military man, perhaps you are familiar with systems that could be automated easily, but aren't? e.g., ru nuke sub controls ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: !up Vexual
asciilifeform: http://i1.wp.com/www.defensemedianetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/321.jpg << from linked article. the answer to 'how directional.'
asciilifeform: saw it in translation.
asciilifeform: pre-date
asciilifeform: there.
asciilifeform: !s launchpad mcquack
asciilifeform: !s gyro mcquack
asciilifeform: and even the simultaneously dumbest and wealthiest military bureaucracy in the world, would see this as an obvious thing.
asciilifeform: if a usefully-directional satellite receiver and associated gizmos could fit in pocket, camel convoys would be attacked using winged grenades on toy airplanes
asciilifeform: hence also its weight, and the resulting expense of the airframe, engines, fuel.
asciilifeform: rather than the bombs
asciilifeform: it is precisely because of the control apparatus.
asciilifeform: incidentally, people misunderstand why the bomber is costly
asciilifeform: flying camera - one thing. remotely-flown bomber - another.
asciilifeform: way to lump the bulldog and the rhinoceros into one animal.
asciilifeform: (one of the things which they did not - until, apparently, very recently - do - is use signed commands. hence one could in fact take the machine home, if using an appropriate antenna.)
asciilifeform: in post-bezzle radio, 'adaptive frequency hopping' or bust.
asciilifeform: and by flying.
asciilifeform: generally, by using a very directional horn.
asciilifeform: pocket 'gps' receivers - yes, easily fooled