asciilifeform: ^ was discussed here before

asciilifeform: !s vocore

asciilifeform: jurov: just built to get us in the rape pens quicker.

asciilifeform: jurov: for all we know, ver.1 doesn't even come with a raper

asciilifeform: jurov: we don't need to know -precisely- what kind of rape broadcom intends for us

asciilifeform: jurov: recall mircea_popescu's 'act from cause not towards purpose' heuristic? it applies here

asciilifeform: jurov: ...that supposedly leaks key material by any channel conceivable << i never suggested any specific channel.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and deliberately pseudo-open architecture (runs linux, sure, but with massive closed blobs required even to boot. and vendor regularly pays media mouthpieces to lie about it; also posts astroturfed comments) ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'raspberry pi' << terrible machine for the money, plus long history of disinformation and hype bordering on outright fraud: >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2014#540882 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-01-2015#988359 etc ☝︎☝︎

asciilifeform: ^ doesn't answer my question

asciilifeform: airgapped: let's take your word. why, then, do you spend your days working on a problem to which the answer cannot exist ? ☟︎

asciilifeform: rather than an object that -categorically- does not exist, like a box inside which 1 == 2.

asciilifeform: airgapped: you still appear to be talking about it as something that could exist in essentially the same form pushed by scammers

asciilifeform: airgapped: and it never once occurred to you that it was not an entirely honest line of work ?

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044590 ☝︎

asciilifeform: if somebody walks in and 'i drop screaming nuns out of helicopters for their insurance money' there'd better be a good story at least.

asciilifeform: airgapped: and yet you introduced this as your line of work? care to justify ?

asciilifeform: or 'free energy machine' as they tend to be called now

asciilifeform: like perpetuum mobile

asciilifeform: is -intrinsic- snake oil

asciilifeform: airgapped: not merely 'not exists'

asciilifeform: if you are neither of these things, it is still useful to know who is one of these two things.

asciilifeform: if you're selling it, having understood the above line of reasoning and can offer no meaningful counter - you are a scammer. ☟︎

asciilifeform: if you're buying dedicated 'crypto' silicon, on your own free will - you are a moron;

asciilifeform: to make long story short (i am quite uncertain that making it longer will improve the understanding of anyone who does not already grasp the above) -

asciilifeform: because he is no longer firing at a 'moving target' but a bull's eye, so to speak.

asciilifeform: as in, undergrad-level problem.

asciilifeform: then the question of what changes he ought to slip into the masks at the fab becomes absolutely trivial

asciilifeform: or, better yet, generates keys for such.

asciilifeform: and nothing else.

asciilifeform: that, say, cranks 8192-bit rsa.

asciilifeform: but let's reverse course and suppose that i'm buying a very specific crypto asic

asciilifeform: if i'm buying 'fpga', and he doesn't have the exact bitstream, he's more or less shit out of luck

asciilifeform: though if he can get a real-time covert channel into my unit, he can perhaps accomplish something with a simple 'hidden debug' trick

asciilifeform: if i'm buying a general-purpose cpu, and he does not have a precise bitwise knowledge of what i intend to run on it, his options are rather limited

asciilifeform: his options depend on what i (think i am) buying

asciilifeform: say he can design anything, within reason, just in time

asciilifeform: say the enemy is baking custom silicon -just to slip into my supply lines-

asciilifeform: for the benefit of n00bs, i will briefly elaborate ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-02-2015#1024428 and below ☝︎

asciilifeform: it is absolutely essential, to understand what is being spoken of here, to go back to the thread about the specificity of hardware-diddling. ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: doesn't matter if 'arm' or whatever.

asciilifeform: if you own electron microscope and have a couple of years free, and wish to do nothing else - then yes, possibly verifiable.

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: ic is inherently nonverifiable

asciilifeform: if 'secure' but not user-verifiable, the only people against whom it attempts security is: you. the owner.

asciilifeform: no srsly, not much special expertise needed to see why this is an Intrinsically Bad Idea (TM)

asciilifeform: "secure" microcontrolers << ugh

asciilifeform: (in that it can swallow a tx if fed)

asciilifeform: every node is already a 'wallet client'

asciilifeform: that is, the extant wallet&node combo kitchen-toilet is pure lunacy

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: though i still insist that 'red' cryptomaterial should not touch the networked box

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i like PeterL's suggestion

asciilifeform: (see the numerous old 'exit tax' threads here and elsewhere)

asciilifeform: trinque: also understand that even if you get 'usa-rich' it does not automatically translate to freeworld-rich.

asciilifeform: trinque: i'll be the last to disagree that it's still possible, today, to squeeze out a 'living' doing something in usa. question is how long it will remain true, for one's particular profession, for particular locale (do you like drilling for oil?), etc

asciilifeform: if you're a u.s. blue-blood

asciilifeform: trinque: 'millions can be made' doing nothing but snorting coke

asciilifeform: i might exaggerate slightly, but at any rate it won't be accomplished by a fella with a day job. ☟︎

asciilifeform: trinque: if you don't understand that this costs ~$trillion and requires a sovereign country in your pocket, you have not thought the matter through.

asciilifeform: trinque: a pocket-sized fission power plant would also be 'sellable'

asciilifeform: anyone who offers to 'help you get rich' in specifically these terms is either a imbecile or sc4mz0r

asciilifeform: which is generally not how it works.

asciilifeform: trinque: the hypothetical 'mutual assistance' org you suggest would roughly resolve to a 'society for let's we all get filthy rich, and not warren-buffet-usg-rich either, but mircea_popescu-rich' ☟︎

asciilifeform: jurov: the loose set of all banks that play ball with usg, all locales where there isn't an icbm battery between you and usg, etc

asciilifeform: other lifeforms that don't have a zoo ready to house them gratis

asciilifeform: speaking of everything -else-

asciilifeform: and i am specifically not speaking of mircea_popescu's favourite 'rescue animals', young gurlz

asciilifeform: if you -actually- tally up the costs, realistically

asciilifeform: getting just one person (not even talking about family, friends, pets, possessions, etc) permanently out of not only usa but the nato financial octopus - is probably more expensive than launching it into orbit

asciilifeform: trinque: there's a reason i used rocketry as the analogy

asciilifeform: trinque: something each of us must solve entirely on his own

asciilifeform: trinque: escape from gravity well is the most personal matter imaginable

asciilifeform: ^ thread

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2014#735017 ☝︎

asciilifeform: iirc we spoke re: the sewer pumps here at least once

asciilifeform: trinque: i'm specifically addressing the fantasies of 'survive' rather than 'die with honour' (there'll be death of every kind available to all-comers, then)

asciilifeform: when the planes are still flying

asciilifeform: danielpbarron: it isn't foolish, but the time to do so is strictly -before-

asciilifeform: somehow everybody (at least every adult male) thinks that he's the clever bugger who will notice the things everyone else has overlooked, survive catastrophes that put the rest of the area to bed for good, etc.

asciilifeform: PeterL: only in hollywood films do burned out husks of cities contain anything you would like to pick up - vs. corpses and unexploded ordnance

asciilifeform: even in a very optimistic scenario like ussr, the disappearance of 'business as usual' could last for decades.

asciilifeform: you're still thinking in terms of temporary disruptions in 'business as usual'

asciilifeform: and live there for the rest of your life ?

asciilifeform: the heat - mostly stayed on; etc

asciilifeform: major cities did not have populations of orcs ready to riot and burn;

asciilifeform: no one in ussr could be evicted from their income suddenly zeroing;

asciilifeform: trinque: try to remember the substantial differences between the two empires

asciilifeform: trinque: accurate data is hard to come by, but at one point something like 80% of the calories consumed came from amateur gardens

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2013#393769 ☝︎

asciilifeform: danielpbarron: 100% closed cycle? no one taking modern pharma products of any kind? no electrical devices ? lit with candles, made of animal fat ? etc

asciilifeform: is this roughly analogous to marie antoinette's cake ?

asciilifeform: what are the folks 'fighting for texas' eating?

asciilifeform: trinque: usa is what anthropologists call a 'palace economy'

asciilifeform: when they go to the forest and blast away at bull's eyes, it's really a psychological release

asciilifeform: what's more, the would-be mutineers mostly know this.

asciilifeform: washington doesn't need to 'waco' them - just to stop sending the trucks (command economy, recall?)

asciilifeform: trinque: as i understand, this isn't ru circa 1917, the hypothetical rebels don't 'just want to be left alone' - not one in ten thousand is able to grow anything edible without regular deliveries of petrol, pesticides, etc. ☟︎

asciilifeform: wai wat

asciilifeform: it doesn't. ergo, there isn't.

asciilifeform: if there were a 'rural militia' with above room-temperature iq, usa would already look like iraq ☟︎