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asciilifeform: only as local loop
sina: as it currently sits with deedbot, I currently don't, but can, run my irc connection on compartmented box away from gpg
sina: but again, disclaimer, am not doing this to infiltrate tmsr with shitlang, as asciilifeform seems concerned, just for my own fun!
mircea_popescu: i would say i'm quite happy, actually. as far as the user end is concerned this could work just fine.
sina: anyway, if youre happy with that generally as a "first draft" I am keen to refine incrementally
sina: as you can see in the gossipc stdout, it's all RSA, stateless whatever style
phf: (check it, their second realm book starts out with TAZ in the subtitle, and that was the mondo 2000 thing, that we're going to build anarchist communes online. idiots, hakim bey came out and said very explicitly that the last chapter of TAZ where he ~speculated~ that internet might have a potential for TAZ was a mistake and to not please refer to your "cybercommunes" as TAZ'es anymore)
asciilifeform: 'For the past decade I've been a professional agorist, still doing software but working on projects calculated to assist other livestock in getting off the farm as well.'
mircea_popescu: and plox don't tell me "it's because your instruments are dirty, in factr apple could buy russia", as these discussions usually tend to go.
mircea_popescu: there was a once almost-worthy frisco-as-seen-by-crumb. where is it and wtf ate it and ???
phf: but i take it the roots of these people is the weird california http://www.rawillumination.net/2011/02/interview-with-kevin-macardry-as-ive.html their author guy is interviewed by a robert anton wilson fanblog, and they are namedropping all the different things that were cool in the 80s
phf: "Since we have had several downtimes of our clearnet gateways, all regular visitors are advised to bookmark the darknet addresses as well."
mircea_popescu: im not even sure why this would be relevant. i'm there on a web browser, nothing happened as of yet.
mircea_popescu: t to "come up with their own reasons" as to whether they're studying basic arithmetics or not ; i DO permit them autonomy in the sense that if they bring me a dead body i'll get rid of it rather than you know, "report it to the police".
mircea_popescu: EIC https://anarplex.net/hosted/files/secondrealm/blog_post.html << the obvious objections being that formally this reads just like yet another ustarded neoprotestant "i heard there's a world yesterday and here's how to fix it" tract, as so many before starting with abolitionism and aparently never endingly ; and fundamentally that "autonomy" is utterly naive. i do not permit autonomy my slavegirls, in the sense they don't ge
a111: Logged on 2017-07-07 23:21 mircea_popescu: you mean #trilema ? here's a part of the magnificent new tech of the republic : you too can be just as old as everyone, as soon as you get arouind to it!
mircea_popescu: you mean #trilema ? here's a part of the magnificent new tech of the republic : you too can be just as old as everyone, as soon as you get arouind to it! ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-04 14:12 asciilifeform: one hint -- look at 'screw' as a modular congruence
a111: Logged on 2017-07-07 15:03 mircea_popescu: this pretty much sits at the core of the whole dispute. by "fit in head" tmsr simply means "do not engage irrelevant complicacy". complicacy serves as a term of art here, to denote things that are constructively complicated, as opposed to the naturally complicated. what your woman means when she speaks is complicated ; but marriage is complicacy.
asciilifeform: same nonsense as the 'mortgage assets' locally
mircea_popescu: mod6 i think the matter is more, 3rd world understands it is shit, looks up to eu, us, whatever. small brother syndrome. whereas us misperceives itself as civilised, which it isn't nor ever was, and top of teh pile, so couldn't possibly be anyhone to look up to (except of course france, but we dun like to talk about that, liberty fries ha-ha!)
mircea_popescu: no fucking idea as of yet why or how that works, but they DO replicate it.
mircea_popescu: ent. this is not humility, but psychosis, and of the saddest kind. you CAN actually MAKE yourself impotent by insisting with it -- and it works equally well with erections as with thoughts.
mircea_popescu: this pretty much sits at the core of the whole dispute. by "fit in head" tmsr simply means "do not engage irrelevant complicacy". complicacy serves as a term of art here, to denote things that are constructively complicated, as opposed to the naturally complicated. what your woman means when she speaks is complicated ; but marriage is complicacy. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: now THIS is what we mean by "learned helplessness" in each and every single instance where that term of art is used. guy who could, and on the basis of having passed into 9th grade somehow SHOULD, evaluate a claim as to factuality, accuracy, correctness etcetera fails to do so. the failure is not organic but psychogenic. the replacement of sanity with socialistard blather follows from this, because you know, gotta say somethi
mircea_popescu: reasonably bright, diligent fellow, who also happens to http://trilema.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/#selection-711.0-711.610 ended up believing himself 1. NOT in a position to evaluate a claim as to distance because he "can not calculate drag from the human body" ; and then consequently 2. ACCEPT some wikitardation as legitimate on the basis that a) he's impotent (as demonstrated by his cont
mircea_popescu: it's the state-of-the-art re the topic, from people who actually study it as opposed to uswank it.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 16:30 phf: building wot for all comers will suffer the same fate as pgp. since nobody's using it, it turns into an arms race of easy to use, or "innovation" also known as masturbation over technical minutiae. i sort of realized this when i tried applying tmsr solutions to my cypherpunk friends: "no we don't need to research the difference between signal and telegram, just encrypt it to my gpg key and post it on dpaste or whatever." eliminated all the technical di
asciilifeform: at any rate, the traditional ustard suicide, at least of grown man, is by auto. counts as 'accident' for insurance.
mircea_popescu: i ignore and triage as it is.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-07 01:29 mircea_popescu: "when a man grows old, and his balls grow cold, and the tip of his prick turns blue, he may in turn start do as the subj link describes, an' triage'm by symptoms"
erlehmann: about as useful as tingling feeling in butt
mircea_popescu: a nudge is as good as fuckall to the blind bat.
mircea_popescu: "when a man grows old, and his balls grow cold, and the tip of his prick turns blue, he may in turn start do as the subj link describes, an' triage'm by symptoms" ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it were fashionable for folx with 3rd grade education to attempt such proofs, and i got one in the mail ( why., though, i dun work in that racket ) i might begin to do as subj link describes, and triage'em by symptoms
asciilifeform: it is , i mean, problem not only for one side. as the linked piece is about.
asciilifeform: what about the dudley piece is in any way false ? the folx described therein, behave exactly as described, i have met them
mircea_popescu: o i had a lot of fun with that as a kid.
mircea_popescu: sure. and they will. but dudley's piece is now... just as pseudo, and just as crank, as theirs,
asciilifeform: the ~same folx are to this day sending fermat proofs 3pgs long, with rotten algebra, as before wiles..
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as central authority, nor ever was. nor could ever be.
mircea_popescu: babbage sleeps happily in his grave, serene in the empirical knowledge that the anglotards of today are just as fucked in the head as the anglotards of his day.
shinohai: I was in there like maybe a year ago, it's definitely as dead as #b-a
asciilifeform: getting materiel to sa was then almost as today is to orbit
mircea_popescu: but as it is -- 19.95 and would you like paper or pl;astioc bag ?
mircea_popescu: in sicily he is known as the honorable man, ie mobster.
mircea_popescu: italy was used as a topographic name in the late empire (ie, 300s, italia) and else in the late 1800s
mircea_popescu: you can't fucking reference the original, 1200 tmsr as "disunified italy" wtf is this.
mircea_popescu: what you said parsed as 1800 italy. which italy did you have in mind ?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-05 22:28 asciilifeform: re mircea_popescu's hash, another observation : it is not ever necessary to actually invert S. ( i will leave the reason for this, again, as an exercise to readers )
asciilifeform: as for whiskey rebellion -- that's when usg first switched to collecting tax forcibly, vs tmsr-style. buncha 'uppity' folx didn't 'get the memo', hanged a few tax collectors, massacred.
asciilifeform: and, as side effect, put washington into presidency
mircea_popescu: hamilton wasn't doping centralized megastate either. it's unclear what washington wass doing, as also not idea man, but probably ALSO not megastate judging by how if he were, he'd have been the king of united states literally.
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2017/05/fiat-wraps-up-miserable-may-as-malaise-reaches-new-lows/#comment-104453
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 14:50 phf: http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/Diaries/2017-06.html << “So far as the question I opened with is concerned — "If we tried to use our nukes, would they work?" — I'm guessing the answer is "probably not."”
asciilifeform: ( witness how the early church bureaucrats passed off a vpress of the newtestament as 'the whole thing was always linear' )
mircea_popescu: and if it takes a little incidental mention of the history of thought, fine, just as long as it's a) safely bowdlerized into nonsense and b) really, incidental to the great story.
mircea_popescu: schooling for the purpose of convincing as many unexamining intellects as possible that "in the soviet union kids get icecream". if it takes putting the agitprop mechanism in the middle of the forest cuz that's where the peasants go... well, they'll mount it in a truck.
mircea_popescu: what is important is for the kids to end up with the purposes idiocy implanted in their heads. and they do. which is how they end up thinking "modern medicine" has something to do with life expectancy changes. as opposed to sanitation.
mircea_popescu: the replacement of causes with purposes in this sense is the ONLY point of "school" as the socialists do it. it's uninteresting to understand exactly what the theory of gravity is, says or does, or what a number is, or anything else of that kind
mircea_popescu: revisiting the above "progress" great lie of socialism : just as eg wikipedia parasithizes (see alf/naggum re how this works) the encyclopedia space, turning whatever it can steal into "wearenotbegging for donations", just like github tries to accrete "wild" work into something they can sell down the road to the bezzlevestor, just so school in the socialist state (as designed by trotsky, stealing from bismarck) works also on
mircea_popescu: but anyway, they'll work just as well as everything else in the empire of stupid works. did "ourembargo" work ? sure, in the sense shittington post wrote about how it will, and then promptly forgot it ever happened
phf: http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/Diaries/2017-06.html << “So far as the question I opened with is concerned — "If we tried to use our nukes, would they work?" — I'm guessing the answer is "probably not."” ☟︎
asciilifeform: they work as described in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671581 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: as if "Central authority" is EVEN POSSIBLE outside of very temporary, geographically limited arrangements.
asciilifeform: possibly delicate balance, between finding it anywhere in the room ( as a poorly made amp will ) and nowhere ☟︎
mircea_popescu: as i've been witnessing
asciilifeform: ( he will probably disagree, and say 'tight bound is not same as 'say how much memory and cpu'... but fact is, this is not quite the unpredictable game-of-life-style automaton contemplated earlier. )
asciilifeform: re mircea_popescu's hash, another observation : it is not ever necessary to actually invert S. ( i will leave the reason for this, again, as an exercise to readers ) ☟︎
BingoBoingo: As opposed to Tenacity(TM)(R) which is great herbicide for blanching undesirable grassy weeds from cool season lawn.
mircea_popescu: (and yes, that's also why their ~only concern is "how to reduce friction" ie make sure it piles as well as it posdsiblu could". gendercommits and nochildleftbehinds etc all follow.
asciilifeform: ved _all_ their investments in their people this way, because it is as unhealthy for a market with disproportionate power in the hands of employees as it is with disproportionate power in the hands of employers...'
mircea_popescu: labour forcve stability works both ways, the drones wish security just as much as the dronemasters do.
mircea_popescu: you know guns kill people and yet i being a people still know how they work and even took one apart once. as opposed to running in screaming terror
trinque: meaning no disrespect to sina (and I figure he knows this from output) his pronouncements are not going to have the same effect on tmsr as a Lord's will
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where i ( and , as in linked threads, in the past, mircea_popescu also ) observe that golang is not 'simply another prog lang' but a carefully built intellectual gluetrap for the naive and energetic
asciilifeform: which is why observation is not about the drinkers of shit, but re clean-shaved western idiots who point and call 'alternate hygiene, just as good if not better than ours'
mircea_popescu: do you understand why ahm im sorry. do you have a working theory as to why the bangladeshis are drinking river of shit ?
asciilifeform: as i see it yes
mircea_popescu: what's the alfhf that goes from S = "phf: why would you even." to H = "just as honest surgeon will not point to bangladeshis drinking from rivers of shit and call it 'alternate hygiene, just as good' -- i also will not" ?
asciilifeform: but just as honest surgeon will not point to bangladeshis drinking from rivers of shit and call it 'alternate hygiene, just as good' -- i also will not.
mircea_popescu: as one'd have to (children also have it, for the same reason.)
mircea_popescu: i don't, because it's meaningless as such. but fulfillment is a long way
trinque: in order to have the human machine operate in self-sorting mode, can't have blanket prohibitions, or as mp said http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-11#1641810 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: win-win as they say.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 03:04 mircea_popescu: tis true. bigots = fixated people with beards you couldn't convince of your reasonable position, such as "the rabid dog doesn't bite" on the grounds of it not having bit yet, or "marrying your first cousin is fine" on the basis of hey, cunt that doesn't scare me!
a111: Logged on 2016-05-19 15:31 mircea_popescu: anyway, Framedragger golang is not liked here because we don't own it, and we don't like usg.google more than we like usg.anything, and because it seems quite well engineered to work as a baited hook for the usg chump works.
mircea_popescu: try the D and see it take twice as loing ?
phf: oh flag, lets you pass this stuff as a command line argument.. i guess this approach works too. i'm not sure why i can't just do message = string(dat) but i'm too lazy to figure it out ☟︎
sina: best twitter quote I saw today: "US is free as in mattress"
mircea_popescu: in other usistani ideas : register "techrite" as a brand. then people can say "he's got the techrite" about your users.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-04#1679046 << should beat that as well yeah ☝︎
asciilifeform: phf: i can see argument for 100% unoptimized 'potato'. but if yer gonna optimize, may as well do it properly neh
phf: i threw in a handful of type declarations (which eliminated generic-+ calls), but that as expected shaved less than half a second
asciilifeform: not necessarily cycle tho. if i can construct a 'for (i=0; i<maxint; i++) {}' then just as good
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-04#1679092 << my current thinking is, the only way to resolve this within a lifetime is to see if a mpfhf cycle could be constructed. if it can, solved, if it provably can't then it is time&space finite, even as a statistical ceiling argument. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ie, there is no such thing possible as "a christian english-as-single-language speaker".
mircea_popescu: which is why qntra style says "logical comma always". as opposed to oxfordian.
mircea_popescu: this is a very fine example, incidentally. it's in my mind right there with the oxford comma ("i had eggs, salmon and biscuits" interpreted as the speaker telling salmon and biscuits as an item that he had eggs) as anglo-antilogic in my head.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-04 14:12 asciilifeform: one hint -- look at 'screw' as a modular congruence