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a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 22:26 hanbot: yeah, ty. i wonder if it wouldn't be wise to update that list monthly as part of reporting etc.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 21:18 asciilifeform: !~later tell spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701446 >> on second thought, you probably could put this chore off, olimex sells a ice40-8k (largest available) with 512k of sram glued on. and this is theoretically enough to prototype . the more pressing matter is ethernet. ( afaik nobody sells an ice40 + ethernetmagnetics . and just as with ddr dram, answer is 'lattice wants you to use their larger fpgas, with THEIR toolchain'
mircea_popescu: easy to condemn this as "a mistake retrospectively", especially if one has nfi what sort of demands an operational approach places on the labour pool.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701493 << he has a point, incidentally. the notion of ~approximating~ numeric machine is about as batshit insane as the notion of concave airplane or open-ended circulatory system. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 14:49 phf: now i didn't find out about race conditions myself, that data point came from dks, they discovered race conditions as part of the emulator rewrite, but they have the benefit of having access to the necessary low level bits
a111: Logged on 2017-06-30 16:51 asciilifeform: so adder, multer, etc, etc all exist simply as devices that hang from 1 set of wires.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 11:41 spyked: !~later tell mircea_popescu re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-20#1701196 <-- yah, but does protecting the "proles" from own stupidity even make any sense as a statement? sorta relates to idea on Trilema on whether the empire wanted to arrive to this point (can't find it right now). enfranchisement of the stupid directly lead to that.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701414 << empire is not organised towards "protecting of the proles" or any other statement with the proles as a subject. the proles (understood deductively, as "all people", just as they understand govenment deductively, see prev discussion), as well as the environment generally are the objects, not the subjects of imperial discourse. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: i ain't putting privkeys ( even 'old' ones ) in a networkedclosedturd . for same reasons as i will not be sending them to whoever.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: as i understand it's a couplea line patch to trb
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: "another guy" can be read as no more than bch walletolade manufacturer. glhf auditing the code of the extant heaps required to sweep privkeys and send bch to xchange.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 01:49 pete_dushenski: mod6: hugely. i've now got a small stockpile of 'em seeing as asciilifeform is a few years ahead of the curve and is already reporting on their 2yrish lifespans. might as well have some on hand.
pete_dushenski: as the kids these days say, you do you man, you do you.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701650 << i cannot speak for other folx but possibly i'm not the only one who isn't eager to divulge all-his-btc-addrs ( much as we like pete_dushenski , picture, say , his iron were to be stolen, ect) ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( put trimfs as daily cron job )
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 01:49 pete_dushenski: mod6: hugely. i've now got a small stockpile of 'em seeing as asciilifeform is a few years ahead of the curve and is already reporting on their 2yrish lifespans. might as well have some on hand.
pete_dushenski: mod6: hugely. i've now got a small stockpile of 'em seeing as asciilifeform is a few years ahead of the curve and is already reporting on their 2yrish lifespans. might as well have some on hand. ☟︎☟︎
pete_dushenski: but i was as surprised as mike_c (to whom, wb btw!) that the bch --> btc market actually came through, at least for triple-digit btc sums. obv can't speak to mp-level six- or seven-digit sums.
mod6: <+hanbot> say, where's the current list of trb nodes? http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html << accurate? << I do update it as people tell me.
hanbot: yeah, ty. i wonder if it wouldn't be wise to update that list monthly as part of reporting etc. ☟︎
asciilifeform: !~later tell spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701446 >> on second thought, you probably could put this chore off, olimex sells a ice40-8k (largest available) with 512k of sram glued on. and this is theoretically enough to prototype . the more pressing matter is ethernet. ( afaik nobody sells an ice40 + ethernetmagnetics . and just as with ddr dram, answer is 'lattice wants you to use their larger fpgas, with THEIR toolchain' ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: incidentally in as far as i can tell, d00d was solzhenitsining for decade+, and very actively Musting Die from a very defensible imho pov
asciilifeform: today just as in ancient china.
phf: sure, but chinual is extremely detailed and the ~architecture~ can be improved incrementaly. for example brad's cpu is, yes, implemented as an emulator for a discrete circuit. but at the same time it can be isolated from the bus, put into a determenistic harness, and rewritten from the cpu spec in chinual.
asciilifeform: ( as for 'ice' itself, if it were to vanish, we can have clones rolling off conveyor in 6mo or so for coupla hundred btc. not so for magical stateful nic etc )
phf: now i didn't find out about race conditions myself, that data point came from dks, they discovered race conditions as part of the emulator rewrite, but they have the benefit of having access to the necessary low level bits ☟︎
spyked: asciilifeform, lol, yeah, that's why I gave MIPS as an example. but actually, MIPS on FPGA + MIPS Lisp machine implementation might be more work than starting from CADR. that is, not even accounting for RAM and peripherals
asciilifeform: spyked: as for 'use off the shelf iron', see thread http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552690 and elsewhere. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( as in - crashes )
spyked: asciilifeform, yeha agreed. was wondering whether it's worth using the virtual machine as a starting point.
asciilifeform: 1 level below, x86/arm/pci,sata,usb, etc play same role as unix and microshit -- accumulated layer of sewage ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-20 01:23 mircea_popescu: !~later tell spyked http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/062-greenspan-assault-on-integrity.html << the problem with this view is that the pantsuits correctly intuit that all the imbeciles they enfranchised are sitll imbeciles. consequently it would be no harm to a business' reputation to sell them iguanas on a stick and call it prime beef. they will never know ; and casual perusal of tardstalk "investor" as well as "community disc
spyked: !~later tell mircea_popescu re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-20#1701196 <-- yah, but does protecting the "proles" from own stupidity even make any sense as a statement? sorta relates to idea on Trilema on whether the empire wanted to arrive to this point (can't find it right now). enfranchisement of the stupid directly lead to that. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: no. it is actually trying to bill itself as the opposite.
mircea_popescu: that's the extent of familiarity, i had to review the god-awful prose of the interwar imbeciles as part of writing the programme.
valentinbuza: it's nice for CS students to have such opportunities as math universities dominated* crypto scene.
valentinbuza: as you can see https://ocw.cs.pub.ro/courses/ic/start, the material is the same as "advanced" course
mircea_popescu: this is like 9 yo telling you that the bath dissolved her snatch. you can't corrode just the seam, as a concept, leaving behind the item without a seam can oyu.
mircea_popescu: anyway, funny thing re bronze : it needs tin. as far as ancient world is concerned, copper was uberabundant (cyprus) but tin was either england or anatolia
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they had cannons, just didn't use them as cannons because no gunpowder.
mircea_popescu: for same applications as historically -- mining first, then crop/textile processing, then boat power.
mircea_popescu: !~later tell spyked corning gorilla glass is just alumino-silicate glass made by corning. there's a bunch others. think of it as cheap bohemian glass, that thing we had the 10kg fruit bowls etc, "cristal". that's leaded, this is aluminized.
mircea_popescu: there is ~no possibility~ of such a tging as reputation among africans, shamanists, idiots, "what good are square roots" and other sub-human non-people.
mircea_popescu: !~later tell spyked http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/062-greenspan-assault-on-integrity.html << the problem with this view is that the pantsuits correctly intuit that all the imbeciles they enfranchised are sitll imbeciles. consequently it would be no harm to a business' reputation to sell them iguanas on a stick and call it prime beef. they will never know ; and casual perusal of tardstalk "investor" as well as "community disc ☟︎
phf: but i agree on the overall points, though moving forward from cadr wouldn't be so much backporting, as "writing in the missing bits"
phf: there are extant lisp machines that have both hardware documentation and system sources, for example MIT's CADR, but cadr specifically predates symbolics by a dozen of years, was developed by academia, so it's nowhere near as advanced as genera
asciilifeform: it was a diesel-electric. was taken as spoils by su, and briefly was the only source of mains current in odessa when asciilifeform's father moved there as a boy
spyked: mircea_popescu, I agree. do you mean"the fridge" as in somewhat close to the platonic fridge?
mircea_popescu: it ends up as being an example as to why it is hard to think about systems if one's very inclined to unhygienically import random unknowns into the workbench.
mircea_popescu: "We may informally state that "reversing a given list yields the list which has the same elements but in the exact opposite order (e.g. right-to-left, as opposed to left-to-right)", but we have no way of accurately specifying this in our language other than by defining rev and postulating that "rev reverses any given list". The same goes for appending lists."
spyked: yeah, it was very easy to conflate "list can be described as either nil, or pair between something and a list" and "list is defined as". I could rewrite sometime if you think it's worth it; I don't think it is, I was just trying to show how reasoning about software isn't trivial even when you have a framework for that, let alone when void *p = ...;
mircea_popescu: it's a set, and enumerated because computers lack the ability to construct ~described~ sets, such as "the set of prime numbers" or w/e.
spyked: my initial thought on getting a Lisp machine run was using a RISC machine as microcode. and implement the whole thing bare metal in software. it's a lot cheaper, albeit probably hard to verify
mircea_popescu: the correct approach is rendering the idiotas for fat. as stalin did, as china does, as everyone who's worth two shits ever did.
r0nin-: usury as the source of value in the economy
mircea_popescu: but the ~reason~ for it is very much found in 1600s trade policy. the dutch had open trade, the english wanted all trade to go through london. their centralist, counterproductive approach is what sunk them. they kept getting freebies, such as when the dutch moved over under wilhelm to become "english", but by and large uk is a thrown rock. it goes down.
r0nin-: because as you correctly pointed out earlier, they dont protect their industries
mircea_popescu: worst fucking shithole in all of europe, as far as that's concerned.
r0nin-: the entire premise of a country is to minimize costs and maximize gains, so send as little as possible while importing as much as possible
mircea_popescu: this leaves you with the unbacked currency, and it becomes more and more unbacked as the trade deficit progresses.
r0nin-: every single assclown brings up zimbabwe or weimer as their lame example of 'hyperinflation' without every understanding what happened there
trinque: r0nin-: you've repeated that twice now, as though quoting your bible.
r0nin-: <+mircea_popescu> in other random lulz : romania closed 2016 as the strongest economy in the eu. 1.3% drop in inflation, <1% budget deficit, 38.5% debt to gdp. stable local currency yoy.
mircea_popescu: the most precious item is when cardbord-person makes evaluations as to the future!
asciilifeform: those may as well have been different brits. like ancient egyptians vs current
mircea_popescu: in other random lulz : romania closed 2016 as the strongest economy in the eu. 1.3% drop in inflation, <1% budget deficit, 38.5% debt to gdp. stable local currency yoy.
asciilifeform: !~later tell mike_c http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-19#1700623 << why was it necessary to use closed turd client ? ( what's the actual diff in the lolfork anyway ? the 2mb thing ? could exist as a lulzpatch for trb, even, in principle ) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: bit of a time bomb, as i'm sure these will pop up. first mover advantage i guess.
mike_c: well, there's only as much money as the order book is deep
mircea_popescu: free money website as it were.
mircea_popescu: so you would do it as "send me 1 btc, i will send back 1.1 btc depending on market"
mike_c: well, now that I'm thinking about it, not sure how that would work as a service. Because I had to use some assumed virus ridden POS BCH wallet. So I swept out a BTC wallet, then imported the address keys into the assumed virus wallet for BCH
mircea_popescu: wanna do that as a service ?
Birdman: then may as well keep them
Birdman: it seems to me that the bug im looking for is most likely to appear in hands processed that aren't sequential as the sequential ones are most likely entirely fragmented and the ones with only one player missing are the ones im most likely looking for
mircea_popescu: aanyway. teh us as mildly interesting as it ever was.
mircea_popescu: well depends observably for whom. what, you're going to compare events with alt-events-as-reasonably-imagined ?
mircea_popescu: i think this proves roosevelt is alive (might as well).
asciilifeform: ( may as well )
a111: Logged on 2016-06-22 04:08 ascii_deadfiber: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486706 << clitler is the anointed muppet. as in, will be propped up with diebold voting machines if necessary.
asciilifeform: just as was obvious to asciilifeform .
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG panzers!! trb node 'zoolag' is back in business, this time as ordinary linux box -- syncing from 0 . same ip as prev. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: seems to be obvious and necessarily true, iunasmuch as bitcoin has 100% of the world savings market share and about a millionth of a percent of the world capital allocation market share.
mod6: but mostly, the savings rate far exceeds the yield of capatal allocation; which is obvious. and will stay that way for sometime as fiats -> 0. someday, that'll be different.
asciilifeform: ( notice how cisco is 'in business as usual', wholly disconnected from whether any actual people would even conceive of buying from it )
asciilifeform: 2 would be seen as 'swan' or how did it go, and is not in same class and dun go in same sentence as 1
mircea_popescu: whereas in case 2 it will be put at so massively a premium so as to make 2 stock outstanding worth more than 1's.
asciilifeform: take redditard as a container -- why shouldn't however many 'tidebux' he has squirreled away, chase scarce btc in market ?
asciilifeform: that 'philosophy' never really made sense to asciilifeform , even from psychiatric pov -- coin is owner's to blow as he feels like
mircea_popescu: fortunately, there's no kako-nubbins party to argue that hey, as btc price is chiefly supported by the republic, which has a lot to do with mp, it is therefore mp's job to idemnify "the users" as imagined by kako-nubbins for "this loss" resulting from his you know, unauthorized use of resources for purposes not priorly reported to the almightyly important kako-nubbins party!
asciilifeform: ( and btc would then live up to the reputation as strictly pyramidal cock-pulling adventure )
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu amusingly has. nsa made the worst deal in history by you know, buying parts and then trying to sell them as a result.
mircea_popescu: describing the masturbation of units of nothing as "buying something" is a stretch.
asciilifeform: describing usd as a 'unit of nothing' is a stretch
asciilifeform: the gurlz are neither here nor there, may just as easily say that 'they were formerly in agreement to be 1.5metres tall, then agreed to be 1.8'
asciilifeform: inca is very much a thing -- same thing as the nazi guard who keeps 5000 penned in with schmeisser with just 100 rounds in it
asciilifeform: as it presently stands, their usd and whatever negotiables, go to inca, just as surely as the mains current goes back into socket
mircea_popescu: there's no way out of this. there will NEVER be such a thing as respectable poverty. it's called slavery, and the poor that aren't slaves are in open rebellion against god, nature, and everything good right and proper.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform great surgeon makes as good a harem slave as any other pole dancer.
mircea_popescu: moreover, your model veers dangerously close to "sane but poor". there is no such thing as "respectable poor". the poor are scum. substantially.