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mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772348 << well, i'd say ok let's take it, except for the issue where we can't actually pay them. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-01-18 14:57 asciilifeform: 'The United States federal government has paid approximately half a million dollars to a private corporation to help various agencies conduct surveillance on the Bitcoin blockchain' << pretty lulzy, that's, e.g., 3 janitors, 2 clerks, 1 intern, for 1yr

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772295 << nah, outsourcerisms. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWcs7zoR2F8 << moldavian-made lulz on same topic.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2011/grafia-istorica-a-limbii-romane/ << review item depicted on right

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772202 << i would not go as far, theoretical physics. ☝︎

asciilifeform: https://motls.blogspot.com/2018/01/bitcoin-fans-or-foes-who-are-statists.html << moar in same vein ( for expert entomologist only )

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772185 << teh process of effervescent vitriol that passes for review here + the natural intimidatiacy result in very finely polished items, to my delight. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 21:41 asciilifeform: 'Cyber space is an increasingly risky discourse and therefore will inevitably be securitised.' << exactly what i said: usg stuffed shirt.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772122 << hurr. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772104 << they were young and stupid yet. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772096 << that contract is worth ~diddly squat. iirc the (utterly unimpressive) fiatola figures were quoted in log. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772041 << quite this. symbolics had the distinction of marketing inept to the amplitude of apple's, except negative. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772030 << report any developments! ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772007 <<< they went to "social media" aka sv wankpost rather than eg, came here, for a reason, after all. ☝︎

asciilifeform: 'Full rubber tyres, no inflation at all. Yes, exactly like in the toy items we had as children. Progress, you see,' << this is coming. possibly already deployed on 'upscale' americars.

deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/and-another-day-dawns-or-multipicture-megapost/ << Trilema - And another day dawns, or Multipicture Megapost

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771985 << i don't understand where the extra mass comes from iyo. in the trinque solution, one extra file'd have been gaining a total of count-patches lines. ook ? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 20:13 apeloyee: I proposed being able to name arbitrary required antecedents << also probably needs a mechanism to declare "there are no other files in the tree"

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771984 << the mechanism are "only the files named may exist". ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771980 << fine example of the context problem. "yes, i have the chip" "so what can you do ?" "nothing." ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772646 << invented mergesort, to do the man justice. ☝︎

asciilifeform: i'd like to revisit upstack , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772421 << this is somewhat of a misconception. asciilifeform did not salivate over a 'programmer's paradise' when wrote v. on the contrary. v , as he pictured it, is a weapon of rodenticidal war. specifically to ferret out and neutralize not only the compromised people, but the politically unreliable and the dubious of whatever type. hence the focus on attribution, and ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772483 << it's still annoying that , if i import it, and then years later query 'origin' of something, it only can trace back to my own genesis. and not to birth. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-01-10 16:41 hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768160 << haha well this answers http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767425 then. 0 useful.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772477 << in ideal vtron, the 'and i stole x from a, y from b...' is protocolic, rather than promisetronic. i.e. abolition of eyeball-powered diff. ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772453 << this has been a regular thing since at least '14 ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772449 << normally 'meatspace' but i like phf's picture. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: point is it's enough to choose <

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772485 <- after things are put together by human hand it takes human hand to take them apart, yes, unsurprising; point is it's enough to choose and pick out of the desired vpatch what is relevant (i.e. for keccak in this example) and that's as far as it goes ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771941 << it means the bar for what may be acceptable primitives is slightly lower than before ; this is not necessarily avoidable though, the advantage of having alphabet starts around having twenty or so letters only ; fifty letter "alphabet" is not much better than 5000 hieroglyphery. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771939 << this is quite it, for half of the problem ; for the other half -- ANYTHING is independent if you make it so, just put it in your genesis. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 19:43 asciilifeform: fenómenos que "no tiene antecedentes" en el país << orly?

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771920 << quite rly ; the south american south is remarkably peaceful, nobody needs (or wants) them for much. ☝︎

mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZvDPR/?raw=true << diana_coman has all the details.

deedbot: shinohai updated rating of mats from 2 to 3 << #trilema - Never has let me go into battle with an empty war-chest.

mod6: <+mircea_popescu> if anyone is wondering, alf lives in a sausage plant. there's lots of meat. << been wondering if I should move in with him, or take bets on when he gets scurvy

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> or is that just hollywoods << The Greeks did it!

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771907 << v is not at all pretending they are ; that's accidental misconstruction. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771903 << because didn't seriously think of the particular problem, which happens with prototypes. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771889 << that's ok, pipeline permablown anyway. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771869 << thinking about this, it seems that both a) a re-implementation of the lisp memory model is unavoidable for any serious purpose and b) the place where the rewrite will start is the stack ; are true. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771854 << will be hard to keep at bay. ☝︎

deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/01/18/eucrypt-chapter-6-keccak-transformations/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt Chapter 6: Keccak Transformations

deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/18/the-sad-man-from-england/ << Bingo Blog - The Sad Man From England

deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/18/datacenter-costs/ << Bingo Blog - Datacenter Costs ☟︎

BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/11/16/tbi-mid-november-update/ << Yeah, there's more numbers now.

ben_vulpes: http://archive.is/Eei43 << expensive afternoon for the cops

deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/18/and-the-residency-process-has-started/ << Bingo Blog - And The Residency Process Has Started

deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-satisfyingly-have-sex-with-a-girl-under-12/ << Trilema - How to satisfyingly have sex with a girl under 12

shinohai: "A promise from the SCAM coin team: We won't sleep until SCAM coin has been successfully listed on at least one shitty exchange." <<< Truth in advertising now I guess.

asciilifeform: 'People who wish to avoid financial surveillance should consider using privacy-centric cryptocurrencies with opaque blockchains, such as Monero' << lol, oblig money shot saved for end

asciilifeform: 'The United States federal government has paid approximately half a million dollars to a private corporation to help various agencies conduct surveillance on the Bitcoin blockchain' << pretty lulzy, that's, e.g., 3 janitors, 2 clerks, 1 intern, for 1yr ☟︎

shinohai: http://archive.is/n3JWg <<< Should just go ahead and make Barry Shillbert an official member of the Trump admin.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771820 << one for each suspenders. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771743 << no such wonder exists. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771729 << only sorta. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771717 << this is a great win, i'm glad he stuck with it. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771704 << quite evidently that. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771644 << nah not at all. just proposed what might've been an easy entry point. you dun like it you dun have to. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 13:09 esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771055 << My thought was to scrap the current client in favor of a customized one, with eucrypt protocol as the backbone. Is this 1. not what you want, or 2. a bad idea?

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771642 << i don't see a problem with it necessarily, but it's not clear what may hide under rock #2. try and see i guess ? ☝︎

mircea_popescu: https://github.com/input-output-hk/cardano-sl/ << for ulterior lulz

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771636 << i have nfi what a binace is and i see no problem with random numbers fiatists assign to bitcoin fluctuating ~randomly. ☝︎

deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2146 << Loper OS - Rodenticide with the Seiko DPU414 Tape Printer.

asciilifeform: http://users.rcn.com/david-moon/PLOT3/page-1.html << see also.

a111: 2017-09-13 <apeloyee> would O(N^2) modular multiplication be too slow?

deedbot: asciilifeform rated amberglint 1 << bolixologist

deedbot: trinque rated amberglint 1 << new blood

asciilifeform: 'John Mallery @jcmallery_cyber 25 Dec 2017 Declinism is a psyop of adversaries...it was spread before during the Vietnam war.' << ahahahaha gold ☟︎

asciilifeform: 'Cyber space is an increasingly risky discourse and therefore will inevitably be securitised.' << exactly what i said: usg stuffed shirt. ☟︎

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770368 <- mod6 did you publish this anywhere? it seems I might even have another test-case for it.. (version 99994 dies on it complaining that .vpatch is invalid) ☝︎

deedbot: diana_coman rated Covale` 1 << euloran noob; found at least some of his way around

fromloper: http://archive.is/zw03T << Rainer Joswig speaks of some secret team maintaining the emulator, I wonder if he means http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701489 ☝︎

asciilifeform: 'Comments and criticisms to dave underscore moon atsign alum dot mit dot edu. ' << anybody tried ?

asciilifeform: http://users.rcn.com/david-moon/MMD/HTML/index.html << apparently was at least alive in 2016

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771995 << in these pages however all i see is claptrap re 'racism of trump', 0 about lispm ☝︎

apeloyee: I proposed being able to name arbitrary required antecedents << also probably needs a mechanism to declare "there are no other files in the tree" ☟︎

apeloyee: "may be a 50kg sword" << doesn't seem to be. can be retrofitted into an existing design. as i said above "there needs to be a tree hash in the _leaf_ patch. and it MUST match the resulting tree"

asciilifeform: fenómenos que "no tiene antecedentes" en el país << orly? ☟︎

apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765560 << this looks to be the only safe way. asciilifeform : don't you think that's insane? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 01:29 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771435 << hey, is that your blog then ?

apeloyee: ~will~ write to the zero cell << why not to minus-one cell then

a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 13:39 asciilifeform: meanwhile, on the hannoboeck planet, https://neopg.io << usg tool marcus brinkmann proclaims 'clean rewrite of gpg' , with fanfare, spamola ( e.g. http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2017/12/08/1 ) , 'modernisms', the full shebang.

apeloyee: well it'd turn a pop from empty stack into a range-dipping eggog instantly << the reason I even suggested that 3 weeks ago

apeloyee: "1) ugly" << can't see that.; "2) ... it relies on type ranges for good chunk of the proofolade"<< if you really want, can explicitly declare a subtype of Stack_Positions, omitting 0 from it

apeloyee: can you think of a way to have the range of SP and of Stack be the same << this is plainly absurd. a N-sized stack has (modulo contents) N+1 possible states: "0 elements", "1 element", ..., "N elements". i.e.the ranges MUST differ, by exactly one.

apeloyee: MustNotZero has 0 to do with Stack(0) << I know.

asciilifeform: type Stacks is array(Stack_Positions range <>) of FZ(1 .. Wordness);

a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 11:28 apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771004 << it's not me that does it at the expense of obvious correctness, but _you_. instead of having the compiler enforce no access to Stack(0), one is forced to rely solely on manual checking. But enough about that trivial matter; I'll just make the change locally.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771640 << MustNotZero has 0 to do with Stack(0), it is there to keep the tape from creating a div0 ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 11:22 apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771008 << I doubt you actually understood why (If you had, you would be a lot more worried, per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771010 ). here's a simpler version of the puzzle: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/UmpSH/?raw=true . has exactly the same bug.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771637 << your item clobbers the modulus as it runs. what i dunget, is why this would justify making the range of SP wider than Stack itself, as seen in your paste earlier. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 15:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1770890 << to be clear, the idea here is that you pick up the extant eulora client, gut it of the current eulora functionality, put eucrypt in there and proceed to implement your idea. this way you have a proved-to-cross-compile platform to start from.

esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771055 << My thought was to scrap the current client in favor of a customized one, with eucrypt protocol as the backbone. Is this 1. not what you want, or 2. a bad idea? ☝︎☟︎

apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771004 << it's not me that does it at the expense of obvious correctness, but _you_. instead of having the compiler enforce no access to Stack(0), one is forced to rely solely on manual checking. But enough about that trivial matter; I'll just make the change locally. ☝︎☟︎

apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771008 << I doubt you actually understood why (If you had, you would be a lot more worried, per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771010 ). here's a simpler version of the puzzle: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/UmpSH/?raw=true . has exactly the same bug. ☝︎☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://yehar.com/blog/?p=893 << how to save 50 euro for the cost of five plus liberal application of your time (which has no value).

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771626 << shit i used to make these! 1992 represent! ☝︎

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771366 << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLQg-Mv9Hfg ☝︎