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mircea_popescu: romanians got them from the soviets as a general rule.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: defectors come in 'doing' shape as well as 'knowing'
mircea_popescu: what exactly could you possibly use one for ? not like they even have the usual value of "stolen documents", i guarantee you if you examed the O-paygrade you'd find not a single soul as well informed as the famous contractor/defector.
asciilifeform: a defector as i understand the word, is a honoured guest of the crown
asciilifeform: ( plenty of folx from, e.g., ru, living and working in cn. but i am speaking of ~defectors~, as in 'i'd rather have a flat in pekin than continue as lt. colonel at nsa ' )
mircea_popescu: nah. it's already very much siberia as far as they're concerned.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1738408 << at the risk of repeating ancient thread, imho if there were a ready alternative ( as in geographic , rather than merely ideological ) to usa, for the remaining ~functional people to defect to -- usa wouldn't last a week ☝︎
asciilifeform: the winblowz item still strikes me as anachronistic, rather like the supposition that men killed tyranosaur.
mircea_popescu: but leaving these proper statements aside -- never mind the civilisational aspect, limit yourself to culture. they might've bothered to realise the only enemy is the taxpayer, moved to limit his impact on government. exactly as the medieval collegiate disputes flew.
asciilifeform: ^ as depicted in stephensen's 'anathem' aha !
asciilifeform: re (b) neither of'em was pictured as in same market at all, any moar than pepsicola
asciilifeform: near as i can tell, he was the proverbial nursing home patient described on trilema, who says 'died, whaddayamean, died, where is jane?! we were USED to her' re every colleague who went off to bolix or lmi
mircea_popescu: phf in the sense that they were trying to sell the machines, but avoid as much of the dev work as humanly possible ?
mircea_popescu: control as the psychological construct is complicated.
asciilifeform: rms was not ,in so far as i can tell, involved in the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1738171 aspects ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: none of the code in question -- at least in so far as it is accessible to modern archaeologist's eye -- was particularly deep
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 20:43 mircea_popescu: it was involved as mental poison in these people's heads.
phf: well, folx in question plundered as much as they could from mit and carefully guarded whatever they themselves produce. i don't know about there not being "logical reason to publish"
asciilifeform: they were ~same as su academics , in that respect
mircea_popescu: it was involved as mental poison in these people's heads. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mit was not involved other than as patent licensor/troll at that point
mircea_popescu: esp as this apparently was ephemera.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what did they use as hardware hash ?
asciilifeform: item grew as the iron became available ( i do not even say 'affordable' , thing was a 'cost no object' design, like aston-martin )
asciilifeform: as it is 40b broke the back.
asciilifeform: and no such thing as untagged, on whole box. that was the whole strength of the edifice.
asciilifeform: at one time they were uncommon, and a stick of memory tended to have as many chips as the bus bitness
asciilifeform: ividual bought the assets and Kalman spent 4 years as a "captive consultant" for him. Since 2002, when he ran out of money, I've worked for Ab Initio (doing nothing with lisp except emacs hacks).'
mircea_popescu: i know a bunch of imbeciles who should speak a lot more hesitatingly than this guy. such as for instance ~everyone not-white. somehow, they don't, going all the way to like obama daring to even open his mouth in public.
asciilifeform: just as ceaucescu was content to 'steal' vlsi from the decaying west, i am perfectly content to steal the algos from bolix.
mircea_popescu: it's the fundamental orcism, this. expressed pluriously by the orcs now inhabiting the once-proud colonies. "you couldn't know as you haven't experienced". really, bitch ? what the fuck DO YOU THINK KNOWLEDGE EVEN IS!
asciilifeform: 'emperor' drinks same flavoured water as the prole, today.
mircea_popescu: the ro folklore imagines the emperor's court as a sort of larger peasant house. i have no doubt ceausescu imagined all others as a sort of "people from village i have known"
mircea_popescu: had no idea of eg the man's letters, as they weren't in the 3rd grade manual. or of anything else.
mircea_popescu: not at all. he had the most cursory familiarity with the man's work, of the exact sort as might have been pounded into a trades apprentice during basic schooling by kingdom efforts.
asciilifeform: just as sov folx were not
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt he understood alecsandri as anything else. "a writer", yes, like a sort of newspaper man ++, a young mark twain, maybe talented, his paternal job being to "make available circumstances to development".
asciilifeform: it's the same as doing nothing
asciilifeform: and is as balanced as your rng is honest
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the correct solution to this "quickly, prime this many bits long" is a n, k tuple which contains n as the bitsize and k as the "oddness". if you want the n - 396 k = 5 prime you get 2^396- 1229
asciilifeform: ( nothing to stop you from imposing other types of hash in between, incidentally . as i did in the pubexp example )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's much faster ways, such as the 2^x - y method.
apeloyee: the amount of computation that you must do ,<< the same as for any packet: 1 mod-exp and check padding. >> and bits you must buffer, to do friend-or-foe, is considerably larger. << twice as much. might be acceptable, depending on circumstances.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: apeloyee was extending the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-08#1734664 argument, as i understand ☝︎
mircea_popescu: as it communicates nothing above "3+3 = 6"
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 11:25 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737264 <-- strings are (lisp) lists-of-characters. which, as it is, unfortunately makes parsing and evaluating builtin functions (e.g. cons, car, cdr) a pain in the ass. can be structured cleanly though. also, this makes it not a simple matter of find+replace in shithub scheme.adb.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 15:09 mircea_popescu: davout re pedo discussion : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-30#1677971 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652534 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651425 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616334 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-30#1116819 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-06#1043675 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-24#1032677 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-24#1032676 ; as well as period lulz such as http://btcbase.org
asciilifeform: mebbe this shows that asciilifeform is same sort of peasant as the shoemaker, but finding it hard to see why not counts. having pantsuit hoisted on a public stake would even moar count imho
mircea_popescu: of particular interest to you might be causescu's self-concept, especially items such as "a critica" (to critique). i dunno how many of his own words you've read, but the man had a very interesting (on the grounds of its incredible low level form that maintained reasonable function) husserl approach to post-hegelian dialectics.
asciilifeform: ( though did not live as long as mircea_popescu )
asciilifeform: same problem as stalin
asciilifeform: if you have 2, each can be turned into as many as you want, with ordinary iron switches.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo generally the lowest rank of the letters of credit. the bank makes a non binding judgement as to customer;s ability to meet a specirfied financial obligation.
mats: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-14/venezuela-s-bondholder-meeting-is-a-bust-as-s-p-declares-default
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz : usg focused on infiltrating and corrupting ro justice system first ; as a result in 1999 they came up with a "rehabilitation" supreme court decision. ro govt refused to recognize it, which resulted in a lot of usg agitprop material as to how "romania not yet rule of law".
mircea_popescu: are you aware there's a substantial ro mystico-scientism putting the etruscans as romanian derivative ? and no, it's not "ceausescu madness", ro sufragette cca 1920, exact equiv of that russian fat old woman.
a111: Logged on 2015-04-30 15:40 mircea_popescu: incidentally, the original (mostly politically driven) explanation for violence against homosexuals - some sort of "homophobia" suffers a lot seeing how ALL SORTS of other sexual behaviours elicit the same violent response. such as transsexualism, or pedophilia.
mircea_popescu: davout re pedo discussion : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-30#1677971 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652534 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651425 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616334 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-30#1116819 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-06#1043675 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-24#1032677 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-24#1032676 ; as well as period lulz such as http://btcbase.org ☝︎☝︎☝︎☝︎☝︎☝︎☝︎☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737387 << this is alternatively a perfectly acceptable approach ; expensive as all fuck though. prolly should be the standard for homemade keys. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: (as it's exactly what it is)
mircea_popescu: nobody cares for as long as they're used for what they're intended to be used, such as reproducible scientific simulation.
mircea_popescu: "all you need to know is where the signature 1blocks come in the "rng", as they will be preserved by binary mult, can be seen in modulus."
asciilifeform often says 'eldest' , as in ru
davout: mircea_popescu: i remembered mostly the "pedos as afraid of women who'll identify them as beta cux"
asciilifeform: understand, setting the top bit won't help you, i can just as easily say 'but what if the middle 2000 bits in my prime end up zeros!'
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 11:22 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737268 <-- this. ftr, current adalisp prototype (not-yet-published and thus yet-vapourware!) represents "pointers" as indices in a statically-allocated array.
diana_coman: apeloyee, my first thought went that way but then on one hand this just makes the interval larger basically and on the other hand I have no idea how to even evaluate the compromise (i.e. how large interval is large enough anyway, leaving aside that the how big is big enough for p and q is not that terribly clear either -at least not to me); in other words I can see it as an improvement but I can't actually evaluate it clearly
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 19:47 asciilifeform: and not 'as much as you want' but up to B bytes, with B given on commandline and stackframed on warmup.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 19:36 asciilifeform: and rewrite the parser per se in scheme ( have it be present as commented bytecode constant )
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737264 <-- strings are (lisp) lists-of-characters. which, as it is, unfortunately makes parsing and evaluating builtin functions (e.g. cons, car, cdr) a pain in the ass. can be structured cleanly though. also, this makes it not a simple matter of find+replace in shithub scheme.adb. ☝︎☟︎
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737268 <-- this. ftr, current adalisp prototype (not-yet-published and thus yet-vapourware!) represents "pointers" as indices in a statically-allocated array. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 22:03 asciilifeform: not knowing the e has exactly same effect as not knowing half of the n.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737414 <- confirmed; I do NOT use any nextprime or other "rng"-parts from gpg; current rsatron prototype simply grabs nbits from fg, flips the 2 top bits and 1 bottom bit as per previous discussion and then checks if result is prime; if prime then keep, otherwise discard and try again; no "add 2 until prime" or other such thing ☝︎
deedbot: 2663CCEE8A986D69753970E5453FED117075F0A8 registered as hubud.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737451 << i see the q of whether a coin buys a rowboat, a battleship, or entire flotilla, as broadly interesting one -- but mebbe that's just me ☝︎
asciilifeform somewhat addled with viral fevers, and strange dreams at night ( featuring such colourful characters as tov. ceaușescu )
mircea_popescu: very important NOT to use any kind of nextprime, as it turns out .
mircea_popescu: as you'll reject the primes and end up with the same 2045 bits of entropy
mircea_popescu: you lose it by this impl as well.
mircea_popescu: plenty of entropy left as it is.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 17:04 lobbes: Very accommodating d00d indeed. I invited him here, as well, but you know how that goes
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 15:09 asciilifeform: but you can trivially show that using the bottom bits in this way lets you actually get 4x as many possible primes
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737203 << i'm happier with properly reporting keys as 4090 bits, and pointedly explaining WHY the difference to the user. ☝︎
asciilifeform: as i understand, ordinary keccak suffices for this scheme
asciilifeform: yea that's hash-as-blockcipher
a111: Logged on 2017-10-06 23:13 mircea_popescu: basically the scheme is, you rsa a random bitfield, then you expand that into as much otp as you want by doing recursively Fi = hash(bitfield + Fi-1). there's a limit on i, obviously, which can be set to 1.
diana_coman: yees, but conceivably there might be one in the future; if no knob then no point as it were, entirely
asciilifeform: for so long as you're actually using otp (i.e. 1 byte of key used for exactly 1 byte of payload) it's the only logical option
phf: right, so that scheme.adb would benefit from a way to cons onto an arbitrary sized array, and then later someone can bolt a gc on top of that. can even implement it as an explicit function call rather than a threshold thing
asciilifeform: and not 'as much as you want' but up to B bytes, with B given on commandline and stackframed on warmup. ☟︎
phf: like in php model? allocate as much as you want and then "free" on termination?
asciilifeform: indices. as seen in ffa.
phf: there be dragons. i mean, if you're rewriting a parser in lisp, then you might as well have proper readtables, rather then hardcoded sexp hack
asciilifeform: and rewrite the parser per se in scheme ( have it be present as commented bytecode constant ) ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 23:39 mircea_popescu: does an ada lisp ~even exist~ as far as anyone knows ?
lobbes: Very accommodating d00d indeed. I invited him here, as well, but you know how that goes ☟︎
asciilifeform: it will do exactly same thing as traditional one, but take 1000x as long.
asciilifeform: but you can trivially show that using the bottom bits in this way lets you actually get 4x as many possible primes ☟︎
asciilifeform: as i see it, this circle is satisfactorily squared nao.
asciilifeform: re the rsa key entropy, it is possible to trivially regain the lost bottom bits' worth of entropy -- you save the discarded bits and use them later as triggers for 'take nextprime(p) instead of p' and 'take nextprime(q) instead of q' . there may be other possible algos