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diana_coman: the logarithmic/exponential model? http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/24/a-week-in-tmsr-10-16-december-2018/comment-page-1/
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's a pretty dubious b00k. problem is, i dun have anyffin to recommend to engl. readers other than it
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1893054 -> that must be THE way to learn languages: 2 at a time, russian+ada in one go to not feel like wasting time ☝︎
asciilifeform: the barnes b00k is a veeerry distand 2nd
asciilifeform: imho ~still~ the a++ best intro text.
asciilifeform: ( there's a built-in pun in the title, Адское ~= 'from hell' )
mircea_popescu looking back has had SUCH a strapping good time!
a111: Logged on 2015-02-26 19:36 asciilifeform: none of the post-95 features are likely to be usable on a bare-metal build
asciilifeform: i do wonder what diana_coman was like as a noob tho
mircea_popescu: this doesn't map directly, but if diana_coman were a noob that'd be the time i'd be like, "btw guise..."
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 14:00 diana_coman: fwiw my current (even recently updated!) rule for "when to invite" is ~ "when they are either asking intelligent questions in side-chan already OR have made something useful OR have a concrete, interesting proposition explored first in side-chan"
asciilifeform: 1000 pounds'a shit in 10 pound bag.
mircea_popescu: this is a good point. heroin addict cold turkey itches INSIDE THE VEINS.
mircea_popescu: erryone got a compass. however, the two most widely sold models point squarely to Mom and own dick.
asciilifeform: even prior to republic, asciilifeform had a rudimentary compass, where 'comp would be a nifty item if it actually worked, nao where are there any people with half a brain who might care to see it fix'
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 00:34 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i have quite a few items in own notebook similar to yours, from decade+ ago. lemme guess, were you stuck on uninhabited island ?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 00:32 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i highly recommend it, right now you're in approx the position of that random fella who sat down in a cargo plane and took off on a lark
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform reviewing history, there's a lot of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1853976 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854006 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854010 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854019 and so following. now, as a factual matter, the dood DID NOT give a shit, september to february. may i ask for my own curiosity what informs the "teachable" part in "teachable noob" ? ☝︎☝︎☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: a okiey
mircea_popescu: three years is not a small number of years.
lobbes_field: Fwiw when I first started reading logs/trilema in 2014, I alternated between lost/confused/disturbed/intrigued. Then I stopped reading entirely for almost 6 months. Then finally it "hit me like a shit ton of bricks (tm)" and I realized I -had- to start doing (i.e. there was no choice if I wanted to actually make a mark on the world)
mircea_popescu: this is very much a point. gotta find a prior, and to find you must look for it.
asciilifeform: can say 'republic' but it's just a string to'em
asciilifeform: i'ma stick to 2 unless somebody suggests a viable 3.
mircea_popescu: is this a bad thing ?
lobbes_field: The difficulty to be able to give 'just the gist' is a good sign of something of substance
mircea_popescu: that you tried, good. but to go, oh, adlai g_l etcetera O NOES... it's a little much.
lobbes_field: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892833 << fwiw I've been (slowly) baking a "Why TMSR?" (In style of Mocky's 'why ada?') post that is to be aimed at a heathen audience. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: but anyway, on the other lobe, if it does make a difference i will declare that i'm absolutely not wilfully persecuting alf descendants.
asciilifeform: it's a concretization. dun have to be 'fix xyz', could be e.g. 'find how to grow working ic inside a metre^3 box' or any 1 of 9000 unsolveds.
mircea_popescu: because we're still causes not purposes and all that. who the fuck gives a rat's ass about "what will be".
mircea_popescu: not that it's not a great achievement and hurray for ave1 ; but that, why's it to do with what we're talking about ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ave1 managed to deliver a 50% cut in cpu cost, nonetheless (fixed inlining).
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also speaking of harem in the general case ( rather than strictly mircea_popescu in particular ), observation is narrowly 'no one yet reported that he trained a harem chix to work on mechanicals'. afaik.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 16:22 mircea_popescu: think of the whole opposability angle, will you. 1. alf : "your summaries suck" 2. bimbo "master, is this true ?" now i'm stuck. i'm not going to do a 3.b. "yes, because i like him" and i can't do a 3.a. "yes, because ~SOMETHING~" as the something's an undefined symbol.
mircea_popescu: rather a) harems are by their nature private, and consequently the ~outermost limit~ of your interaction with another's will be along the lines of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851696 discussion. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: our problems currently flow around the strong rocks of "there's a bunch of engineers and 0.epsilon businessmen", and the solution to them eminently will not be in the vein you contemplate.
mircea_popescu: in the sense of, "the only surviving island of non-(engineeridiocy) is this here harem, and further, as part and parcel of my continued and systematic efforts to ensure failure, not only do i perceive this as a substantial lack of everyone else, but instead i'll propose that taking a sufficiently narrow view of the matter, it could almost be said the lacking parts don't even exist" ?
mircea_popescu: whether he ever ends up euler or not, 5yo child is math-educable, provided that every time his mother goes "oh, poor darling shouldn't have to" she gets a black eye.
mircea_popescu: are we talking here of "educable, as the process" or are we talking here of "educable, as to a certain goal" ?
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem a very fair summary.
asciilifeform: we already iirc did the a:'so how many solved the ffa puzzlers' m : 'i wouldn't waste a precious trained gurl on such dirty works' thrd, dun have to replay.
asciilifeform: if there's a seekrit reserve of'em somewhere, asciilifeform not found yet.
mircea_popescu: and a valid concern, at that, education's an important part of the function of oxford.
mircea_popescu: then again, 0 apparent awareness of the tmsr -> usg relationship is as fine a symptom as can be had, to the best of my knowledge.
asciilifeform: can't find what to dispute, tho will note that redditus-detector like any other detector oughta stay in calibration, if it's set off by gust of wind, it's not a detector at all
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892739 << this is no small matter ; i ~expect~ a number of my own slaves to read each and every fucking line of this here log. it "takes nothing" to read a line until you start multiplying the lines and the readers. but what choice do they have, right, they're my slaves, if i order them that's an end to the matter. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: for lack of a better entry point i'll stick with http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892214 ; unless someone wants to write a purpose-cut item ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had a http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ , since marked obsolete. i suspect state of the art is still 'read log for year and come back if grasped'
mircea_popescu: if you want to change anything, change the thing where you fail to mention to kids that there's such a thing as sex until well after they've either been undone by it or somehow, through no fault of your own, survived.
mircea_popescu: and then they don't, because http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ still very much a thing, and slaveworld mindset very much still http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892453 and so on. ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: usually i give'em a link to the log, where can read this & other likbez at leisure.
mircea_popescu: no. that this here is the republic, which is the all-sovereign, whereas the "united states government" is a tax dodging unrecognized group of social misfits, and so following.
mircea_popescu: hey phf ben_vulpes and, i guess Framedragger : can i prevail upon you to have (just one) logotron recognize [url][anchor] syntax and render it as <a href=url>anchor</a> instead of the literal ?
mircea_popescu: people visit the senate as a museum all the time, even schoolkids manage it alright. but they do it ~knowing where they are~, it seems to me you do an orc grave disservice if you don't even mention a thing such a town may exist, then take him there. obviously naive extension of whatever shiteating passes in his wilderness will get him thrown out.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892747 << this is a proper question, if not one easy to answer. i believe spyked is correct in http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/082-tmsr-schedule-i.html#selection-55.152-55.393 ; i will not go as far as to say "noob must only be invited at senate once he, like bunyan's hero, understands this is literally the only that does or could matter". nevertheless, it is evidently premature to invite any ☝︎
asciilifeform: 'Without an available fix it seems irresponsible to disclose such a vulnerability ...' etc
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in 'thought we hit bottom but then heard knock from below' in heathendom, https://archive.is/lFXpf << a chowdhra type Officially calls for nobus to be made Official doctrine
mircea_popescu: besideswhich, that "some point", whenever it was, certainly was not later than say http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-14#1834669 -- a year ago is ancient history at the rate we go. ☝︎
asciilifeform: gotta indicate to owner when a piece of iron has realized that it is going south. ☟︎
asciilifeform: incidentally this is a feature that used to be standard on 'adult' comps, but was lost in the pc babel of 1980s
asciilifeform: ( typically this is where an arithmetic has been proven not to overflow, the overflow is connected to a Word of 'NoCarry' type, i.e. whose range is 0 .. 0 . )
asciilifeform: on that subj, attentive ffa reader will notice in certain places asciilifeform marked in comment 'cosmic ray resistance' . this indicates mechanisms where there are two or more separate pieces that ensure a correct computation (or death with alarm bells) if somehow bit flips , when this is inexpensive. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i.e. they're the 'suspenders' in a 'belt and suspenders' tandem.
asciilifeform: they do make elementary mistakes in calling coad 100x moar obvious tho, and therefore are a win imho.
asciilifeform: this can be worked around, but would add gnarl, and i won't touch it unless someone gives a compelling argument re why oughta build on a -83.
asciilifeform: ( theoretically will build on a 2005 or prior adatron, if they are removed, if one must. )
asciilifeform: re ada2012, that was actually a good q, and i'll answer it for the log : ffa in fact uses preconditions, a 2012 knob.
asciilifeform: i dun have a dispute re the principle, it's The Right Thing.
diana_coman: fwiw my current (even recently updated!) rule for "when to invite" is ~ "when they are either asking intelligent questions in side-chan already OR have made something useful OR have a concrete, interesting proposition explored first in side-chan" ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 01:40 verisimilitude: Let's seque to a related topic: What do you think of the Suckless crowd, asciilifeform? I read their mailing list and it's interesting to see how everything UNIX already provides is good and natural and how anything that violates the sacred tenants whatsoever is evil and bloat.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, for my curiosity: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892640 -> how is this ANY different from all the other "hey guise, I'ma signal nao" ; by now the "what do you think of X" is almost a signal in itself ☝︎
asciilifeform: i dun recall having myself walked in with a mega-contribution on day1 either
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's a teachable n00b, as suggested by his www. similar to e.g. bvt .
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform Would you do me a favour and drill into the randos some basics of etiquette before inviting them over / rating them ?
mircea_popescu: why's he voice himself on a different nick then ?
lobbes is a day or so behind on logs, goes to continue catching up
a111: Logged on 2019-02-02 03:49 mats: i wonder if lobbes has a portal where i can feed, say, 2k urls for archival?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 16:38 mircea_popescu: incidentally, either spyked or lobbes what do you need to make a complete gutenberg.org copy ? it IS going away, for one thing the initiator guy died and for the other thing, with their world-famous http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-15#1627828 there's no way they'll stay online all that long.
asciilifeform: iirc freud prescribed cocaine 'against errything', and... worked, after a fashion
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol is there a pill for 'abstinent' from nail-biting also
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other lulz, "Medical uses Varenicline is used for smoking cessation. A meta-analysis found that less than 20% of people treated with varenicline remain abstinent from smoking at one year."
verisimilitude: I'm not certain just reading loper-os.org over a few years counts as lurking, but alright.
verisimilitude: Well, as much as one can on IRC over a short time, anyway.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: d00d lurked for yrs, i dun think he will suffer from waiting a min.
mircea_popescu shall actually write that report, get to log in a minute.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was massaging a n00b, tends to take space.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: as a concrete example : you will find that ffa uses an unmoving hinge for karatsuba multiplication. consequently all numbers are required to occupy a space that is a power-of-two bits wide. but from this you get a 3-4x simpler mechanism.
asciilifeform: a student who reads & understood the thing, oughta be able to 'compile' with bare hands, using nothing but hex editor, for any iron he is given.
asciilifeform: ffa in particular is intended as , among other things, a didactic demonstration of what means 'fits-in-head'.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 02:43 asciilifeform: if you need a 'proof system' to prove $assertion, you have NOT proven it. not to me.
verisimilitude: Sure; my system I have in mind to make as perfect as I can certainly fits in a normal-sized head, or should.
asciilifeform: rather, you want first a :
verisimilitude: I've long thought it's reasonable to exert great effort to make a system perfect, where possible; it's the ideal, but maybe not practical. Perhaps the more interesting question is when to stop when you exert so much effort, but have something that can never be made perfect, by design.
asciilifeform: and 3) not create a vacuum that gets immediately filled by similar or even dumber
asciilifeform: 'stop using' is generally the correct solution to all sortsa problem. trick is that you gotta 1) ~actually stop~ 2) not immediately replace the excised idjicy with a new one
verisimilitude: I'll give credit to st, which is a decent terminal emulator, but I'm not impressed with Suckless in general. They're recently combating a bug with some X font nonsense caused by stupid Unicode glyphs; their solution is to stop using the X font nonsense entirely, which will apparently cause its own issues.
asciilifeform: ( at one time, they had a fella with a working brain involved, then he vanished, and what remained grew over with fungus. )
verisimilitude: Let's seque to a related topic: What do you think of the Suckless crowd, asciilifeform? I read their mailing list and it's interesting to see how everything UNIX already provides is good and natural and how anything that violates the sacred tenants whatsoever is evil and bloat. ☟︎
asciilifeform: and naturally the idiot camp splits into the 'useful idiots', who are physiologically incapable of having a clue, and the purposefully-mendacious charlatans, who know exactly where 'exploitable' comes from and ~like~.