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Framedragger: their paper is certainly 2012
Framedragger: wasn't factorable.net 2012? or was phuctor around in 2012
Framedragger: less turbulence.
Framedragger: maybe it's the costa rican air
Framedragger: asciilifeform: yeah that's just insane :/
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: badump-tss! something like 'flocking', in that particular case. though, yeah, maybe exactly opposite (leahs flock to places)
Framedragger: that is depressingly sad isn't it. fair enough, good to know...
Framedragger: (leah or mp, maybe it's some kind of inevitable general great attractor pattern)
Framedragger: i mean, testing and comparing results of these rngs is probably useful (i'm outta time as of now), hm
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah, paypal
Framedragger: nice one, asciilifeform's house is getting luminescent lighting finally :D
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: seems to go to checkout page for me at http://moonbase.tictail.com/
Framedragger: might be just noise after all
Framedragger: nice one mod6, entropy still at steady 8.0 bits per byte i see :D
Framedragger: posted msg. inb4 "spamzor!"
Framedragger: asciilifeform: when i said "might not even be worthless" i actually meant it in the sense that i observe chatter there and it's not all ~noise (but very small sample, and no time to read backlog there). then again, sure markov bots etc
Framedragger: usg sybils deliberately working to blackhole asciilifeform's emails!
Framedragger: btw there are like 770 people sitting and talking on ##crypto, it might not even be 100% hopeless, curious if they would respond well to FUCKGOATS advertising ☟︎
Framedragger: hah i didn't know about that! nice one...
Framedragger: yeah in retrospect should have left that one be
Framedragger: s/james joyce/william james/ ^ BingoBoingo i mixed up my english, too
Framedragger: yeah, mk :) i mean, you may as well be right lol.
Framedragger: re. american who said sth interesting, i volunteer david lewis (the philosopher)! inb4 BingoBoingo's "only american philosopher was james joyce" ☟︎
Framedragger: special delivery for asciilifeform's barf collection: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14209897 (this comment)
Framedragger: wonder if that's what you meant, but will see. sigh
Framedragger: phf: will read later but i'm getting lots of "regulate, regulate, regulate!" vibe. also possibly too much mindrot from his recent escapades to save tech world from trump ('tech solidarity')
Framedragger: i will also use this occasion to comment on the fact that i managed to almost spill tea when opening trilema.com and seeing the intense gaze of mp in photo breaking 4th wall
Framedragger: very nice article btw hehe
Framedragger: BingoBoingo: s/to due/due to/
Framedragger: yeah, good to note, k.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: fair enough, but how are 'private discussions' in this context (plagiarism allegation) any different from http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637638 ☝︎
Framedragger will read before barfing more
Framedragger: ah, ty!
Framedragger: re. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-30#1532069 there was nothing beyond ~= "is snakeoil" but i do recall more particular points being addressed some time before or after, so will dig up ☝︎
Framedragger: (but yeah i see what you mean, of course there's a massive difference)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i am deliberately being snarky. please don't spend cpu cycles decoding this remark
Framedragger: (i'll go right ahead and reserve mine: (1) "euclid was snakeoil!"; and (2) "euler was snakeoil!" << there, now when totient function is broken or rsa is broken or any public key crypto scheme is broken, i'll have free pitchfork credit.) (i joke, i joke)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah, i suppose i follow. hrr, ok i'll need to see what in particular was revealed/claimed in #t. besides "it's snake oil!"; i do hope that if/when aes is broken, #t doesn't go out saying "#t said all symmetric crypto is snakeoil! plagiarism!!"
Framedragger: asciilifeform: thanks, i recall, and will try to reread later to see how particular that one was.
Framedragger: i *guess* it's a sane default? hm.
Framedragger: so to construct a counterargument, i'd have to dig into what particular 'novel' stuff monerolink is claiming, and what particular vulns were discussed by monero project prior to this stuff. i can't be bothered, though - just don't care about monero that much - does that mean that i now have to default to "all shit is stolen from #t!"
Framedragger: i'm not the best devil's advocate (nor do i want to be). maybe i can find something better and more concrete, true. it's just.. attribution of this much political clout to #t.. that'd sure be *grand*, and (hopefully) the case in the future. but i just dunno, man.
Framedragger: that particular link is new. because it discusses this very monerolink webshit.
Framedragger: i don't know, are you saying that ideas from #t in regards to what, ringCT vulnerabilities? - have been taken?
Framedragger: you will laugh but there is e.g. /r/Monero , and it discussed unoriginality of above e.g. here https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/65dj7u/an_empirical_analysis_of_linkability_in_the/ (while giving references/links to outside stuff)
Framedragger: (it's possibly they did not acknowledge prior research on monero, done by monero itself. that's true. also, ipfs project plagiarised the above just ~now. that's also true.)
Framedragger: content's unoriginal and uninteresting, as far as i can see. why plagiarism of #t in particular?
Framedragger: re. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-15#1644022 -- i don't really see where the plagiarism is. honest. the title ("collider")? the content (research had been done by monero project itself some time ago; *plenty* of discussion of RingCT outside #t (unless you define "discussion outside #t is not discussion", in which case you are right..tautologically))? ☝︎
Framedragger sleeps
Framedragger: (and scottish add deep fried mars bars to the diet)
Framedragger: ya i usually can't stand british 'jams', it's just ~sugar. which is what britons eat, anyway
Framedragger: nice.
Framedragger: !
Framedragger: ahaĄ
Framedragger: how did you come to this, uh, query, if i may ask??
Framedragger: in .lt you normally also say what kind of uogienė (strawberry, apple, etc.), but i guess that's normal/conventional anyway
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: hah! well, i don't know any colloquial / actually local words for this other than the (generic boring), you know, "jam".
Framedragger: lol ffs.
Framedragger granted, mostly avoided pascal in high school by way of teachers being tards, so maybe not enough radiation exposure to develop rash
Framedragger: i actually never got to know what the major issue with pascal was. (i mean, as long as you're teaching imperative programming..) ☟︎
Framedragger: shinohai: that's the thing, this'd actually be somewhat consistent :D and possibly less of a waste of time
Framedragger: i will claim that for all the free burning-in-hell credits that java has honourably accrued, it is at least somewhat of a programming language. at least you learn what a fucking type is. JS is something like a 24/7 d0pe weed smoking experience in class (unoriginal redundant repetitions are redundant, but still...)
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647480 << wait that's not a joke? omg. you're all like "are you surprised??", but i honestly didn't think it'd go that low ☝︎
Framedragger: (shitty tl;dr: iss is a toy which is nasa's bureaucratic instrument to get constant, predictable budget assignations (consider that iss always has to be crewed). now-defunct space shittle + iss was a perfect self-sustaining devil's pair.)
Framedragger: (worth a read. can argue later. but recommend. but probably known to alf et al.)
Framedragger: relevant article: http://www.idlewords.com/2005/08/a_rocket_to_nowhere.htm
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah, ic.
Framedragger: (but then, maybe that's only the presented impression. there is that closet smell, yeah.)
Framedragger: yeah... in fairness, he seems to be operating in his own meatwot, not in total isolation.
Framedragger: maybe he has an allergy, who knows these things ☟︎
Framedragger: re. http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/05f-two-plus-two.html, heh tbh i expected him to delve into some biazarro scheme which would have a weird additive property (not just an if-then rule), disappoint
Framedragger: re the tarpit, ooh a blog written in CL with sane commenting system (yet to be seen, of course) sounds interesting enough
Framedragger: in which SF startups realise that hosting all infrastructure on multiple fault lines is not the greatest idea ever
Framedragger: (http://archive.is/MOdf3 for anyone interested)
Framedragger currently checking ripe db etc to see how 2x4 hosts things. their dns servers are legally in seychelles.. etc.
Framedragger: (i mentioned 2x4 (russian hosting provider) above because they are known for not giving a fuck about dmca or other usg laws, and responding with "your mother" (sic) to requests to take down a hosted site which is running a botnet C&C)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: kk.
Framedragger: ack re. flow/direction of law. but re. 'no ajax', i imagine the primary service offering being an unmanaged dedicated box, in which case i'd find it reasonable to require of the isp not to peek at insides (unless external behaviour is ~spam, etc.)
Framedragger tried whois on 2x4.ru -- cloudflare, hahahaha
Framedragger: true. for some stupid reason i had it in my mind that mircea_popescu would vehemently oppose any such arbitrary restrictions. but this was based on some inane interpretation of some misread trilema text, probably
Framedragger: i'm not sure where the 'isp should not care about content' line should be in the context of tmsr.
Framedragger: and how would mircea_popescu react if suddenly isp had policy of blocking spamzorz?
Framedragger: sure.
Framedragger: btw just to note, (at least initially) large part of bitcoin revenue would have to be converted into fiat because upstream may require fiat. (sure, it'd be nice to just be able to ignore these upstreams.)
Framedragger: (this will sound cheesy but i do feel like i'm coming to this with a fiat'ish mind, by which i mean, underestimating the power of the wot. 'you trust this wot person to make good, no fine print, the end.')
Framedragger: right.
Framedragger: i do not mean 'restrictions on content' or any other inane shit. i mean response time and so on.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: customer doesn't have a raid == 'well what did they expect' i guess - granted, that actually makes sense. just need to be extra clear in T&Cs...
Framedragger: i mean, disk failure.
Framedragger: there is a disk fault, say.
Framedragger: oh *come on*.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i fell like we should all get drunk by this point, but: in this scenario, you're saying that dc would handle all hardware faults?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: qntra being ddos'd recently?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: disk goes down. shit gets stolen. ddos. your isp is ~broker to the upstream, so you have to escalate.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i suppose so
Framedragger: for starters, 24/7 incident response.
Framedragger hears mp rage
Framedragger: !~seen vc
Framedragger: cock.li guy didn't give a fuck
Framedragger: cock.li served its mission for doing initial ipv4 space scans, tho