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asciilifeform: the conclusion asciilifeform draws from the continued existence of emptyblox and oldcoinfreetxen is 'most tx are usg-authored spamola'. other folx - can draw other conclusions, if they want.
asciilifeform: ( the cost, to the attacker pools, of tape-painting tx, is supposed to be 'they forgo fees from actual people', but there is very little pressure from actual-people. ergo this 'cost' is ~0, i suspect. )
asciilifeform: trinque: they are paying, mainly, into own pockets
asciilifeform: as would the empties.
asciilifeform: trinque: if blocks were crowded on account of actual people, the free tx thing would be a distant memory
asciilifeform: quite likely why the old-coins-move-for-free thing still exists.
asciilifeform: trinque: the full blox are also full 'for political reasons' ( usg spamolade )
asciilifeform: (i.e. fee earner by miners per available byte of space . )
asciilifeform: what i'd like to learn is, whether fee-per-ullage-byte has moved. and in what direction.
asciilifeform: trinque: it is true! but at the same time they mine empty blocks, and blocks full of free-tx..
asciilifeform: consistently.
asciilifeform: trinque: no, consider what happens ( in bitcoin ) if block takes longer to verify than to produce .
asciilifeform: john_cocktail: recall how difficulty is derived ?
asciilifeform: betcha mircea_popescu had nfi that there could be such a thing as 'sibling blocks' !111
asciilifeform: and, mega-unsurprise, 0 mention of the actual bottleneck (db)
asciilifeform: shinohai: lel, 'sibling blocks'
asciilifeform: lol , 'fee market' aha.
asciilifeform: ( here , role was played by 'czech co' )
asciilifeform: or what was it called, that derp
asciilifeform: linked mainly for the 'bitlove' approach
asciilifeform: approx
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in monkeystan, https://southfront.org/steam-store-removes-syrian-warfare-game-because-its-too-pro-russian
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://www.qsl.net/k/k0ff//old%20files/1C%20Working%20Copy/yyy/
asciilifeform maxed dosimeter. bbl.
asciilifeform: *floor tile
asciilifeform: 'linux suxx because you will be covered in shit, that we made sure to smear on every floor time and furniture inside it, it should be more like microshit'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1524864 << ☝︎
asciilifeform: 'We need LC_ALL here to be sure that the date will take exactly three words in the output of ls.' << this is exactly the plasma tv raft from mircea_popescu's article with the crazy woman
asciilifeform: somebody help d00d install winblowz, apparently he had problem..?
asciilifeform: ' It would be much easier if we used JSON or XML for system configs. Or maybe some binary format. Especially for those configs that are constantly read by different programs. As a result, they need a good read rate (it’s higher in binary formats).' << gold.
asciilifeform barfs the thing back out
asciilifeform: 'As we’ve already seen in the example with /etc/passwd, the widespread use of plain text can lead to performance problems. ' << and dynamically loaded crapolade, orc-glyphs-in-everything, dbus, et al -- don't, apparently ?!
asciilifeform: my stack overflowed parsing that
asciilifeform isn't
asciilifeform: the dung beetles, gotta roll dung
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://kukuruku.co/post/the-collapse-of-the-unix-philosophy ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-02#1621317 << january noose neh ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( how many satoshi/byte avg ? median ? how many free riders..? etc )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: might be interesting to add fee plot to your block viewer tool
asciilifeform: ' but of course not by abolishing 'scripts' or preventing spamolade tx, that'd be racist '
asciilifeform: ' but oh, we'll save some bits!! '
asciilifeform: ( who can then spend . )
asciilifeform: classic prbism -- where is the proof that this does not create a phantom n+1st 'signer' ?
asciilifeform: aaaapparently it is supposed to be homomorphic over multisigulation. i.e. you can glom multiple sigs of same string into 'one value'.
asciilifeform: oooh hey hey hey lbj. i finally found out why prb folx like schnorr. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 0 provable improvements on otp.
asciilifeform: aaaaaanything, anything to avoid handing giving back the yet-unfucked-once pig back to the late von neumann, and going back to sweeping airport floor.
asciilifeform: 'based on these unproven conjectures, and one or more unproven conjectures on which our logic relies, and one or more circularly-defined conditions, this scheme is secure, for our toy definition of secure that we will not share'
asciilifeform: but the result of reading this (spoiler!) for asciilifeform is usually mega-disappointment
asciilifeform: i'ma put this on the conveyor
asciilifeform: usa is a mighty twin-engined lulzengine of a+b.
asciilifeform: the 'let's use anything, ANYTHING but rsa' thing really grates on me. ☟︎
asciilifeform: nuts.
asciilifeform: what is this, the gif wars ?
asciilifeform: why would a coin implementer give half a fuck re patents
asciilifeform: ( iirc it is simply a variant of ecdsa. )
asciilifeform: q for prbologists, entomologists : why is schnorr signature algo so attractive to the prb folx ?
asciilifeform: lel nato-lite
asciilifeform: 'toy crypto auth is slightly easier to forge than the usual five minutes', noose at eleven.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i dun even grasp how this is a vuln, it isn't as if 802.11 has rsa-authenticated endpoints to begin with
asciilifeform: incidentally if you can prove that trapdoors exist, you've necessarily proven that P!=NP.
asciilifeform: but this is small comfort, just like to say that honest undertaker will at least make sure you are actually dead before burying
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the few honest cryptographers that exist, will prove that your arse is staked on ~this here~ set of unproven conjectures, and nothing else.
asciilifeform: or 10 lifetimes.
asciilifeform: sometimes 'prove that a solution ~exists~ is lifetime work.
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: much of academitard 'cryptography' is an elaborate dance around the fact that nobody knows, publicly, of any solid axioms that were unknown to von neumann. ☟︎
asciilifeform: upstack : ben_vulpes : the 'triangle' is aka 'trapdoor function', and it is not known whether they actually exist. ( folx go around pretending that they exist. does not make it so. )
asciilifeform: logicgate-poverty, according to him, prevented asymmetric crypto from taking off in su, and so this ^ was the obsession. for a while.
asciilifeform: ( according to maslennikov, kgb directorate of crypto struggled with the fundamental boojum and simply gave up, and turned to turd polishing )
asciilifeform: what you want to prove (and nobody has, for any system) is that the necessary work is equivalent to brute force guess.
asciilifeform: so it is always a matter of avg case.
asciilifeform: and the d00d who does ~not~ know the key, has a nonzero P of guessing whole thing !
asciilifeform: however mircea_popescu , this is not quite right, the 'lower bound' is always O(1) for the d00d who knows the key !
asciilifeform: aha, hardest-case is ~entirely uninteresting in crypto
asciilifeform: however the triangle is imaginary, because -- as you will learn from the linked thread tree earlier (and not from any public literature ! elsewhere afaik) -- we know about complexity classes , as discovered by cook et al ; but we do NOT know of any means of generating ~instances~ of problems falling into given class with ~guaranteed~ average-case hardness.
asciilifeform: they are sides of the same triangle. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ideal hasher - into a prng (as pictured in, e.g., casks piece intro) ; an ideal cipher - into either of the two others.
asciilifeform: you can see that they are the same, because an 'ideal' prng can be trivially turned into a ciphrator; or a hasher ;
asciilifeform: in the hash's case, for anyone to go from H(S) to S ; in prng -- for anyone to go from any section of the output stream, to the seed .
asciilifeform: in both cases, you wish to prevent inversion of the function
asciilifeform: the prng has a time parameter, but it is spurious, it is really just the same as a hash, with same requirements
asciilifeform: a 'secure prng' is fundamentally THE SAME animal as the 'secure hash' and the 'secure blockcipher'. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: the mandatory thread is here -- http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-01#1620768 ( and linked subthreads with mircea_popescu . ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: ok i cannot resist answering ben_vulpes . because he will find answer in encyclopaedia, but it will not be an actual answer, but only a thought-extinguisher. ☟︎
asciilifeform bbl.
asciilifeform: aite. but i'm all outta circle-squaring methods, having listed all of the ones i presently know of.
asciilifeform: and so they don;t.
asciilifeform: the folx who could -- any day of the week -- give the order to have all 'migrants' met with flamethrowers - answer to exactly usg dos sewing circle
asciilifeform: 'we can't have it? aite, scuttling nao'
asciilifeform: well sorta why usg is setting off the demolition charges (the syrian horde) in eu
asciilifeform: how's that? they wanted the d00d out of the fr election -- and he was out.
asciilifeform: i seem to recall that it ~worked~
asciilifeform: 'all you need is a miniature black hole and some duct tape! otherwise, 100% solid physics!1111'
asciilifeform: it's another 'star drive'.
asciilifeform: ( other problem is that orphaning -- and, likely, of almost arbitrary length -- would be the rule, rather than the exception. )
asciilifeform: what's the incentive to relay anything ?
asciilifeform: ( if answer is 'nowhere, all coins exist at genesis' -- we're back to the rusting engineless thing )
asciilifeform: where do new coinz come from ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ordering.