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decimation: lol The20YearIRCloud that's an amusing post
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud i don't get what this "let's all go huddle together" thing is supposed to do.
mircea_popescu: seems of the ilk of "island of women" and "tower of song", ie, cheap notional filler for "virtual spaces" a la video games
blast: but the island of woman is real, except its a mountain, in brazil ;D
mircea_popescu: blast romania has this too. it's called gaina, which is how you say hen, and it's the place surpluss women were taken by their tribe for to sell over to another tribe for > 5k years.
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud: There's a town close to me that once every year auctions off 250-350 safe deposit box contents, you bid per box and don't know what is in them. All are seized from people who either didn't pay up or forgot about em << isn't there a reality show predicated on this process ?
mircea_popescu: decimation lmao at those terms. so... why get it then ?
mircea_popescu: decimation: asciilifeform: unfortunately if the "from whom" is usg in its many forms, the answer is largely: nowhere << bs lol.
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mircea_popescu: meanwhile back at reality ranch, obtaining superior fire power in a limited geographical area is a trivial task.
mircea_popescu: for everyone. this is not a valid objection any more than saying "for as long as gravity is still in force"
mircea_popescu: take any stirkingly beautiful woman walking into a bar. is she more likely or less likely to be hit on ?
mircea_popescu: any supermodel material chick will tell you nobody dares, on the assumption.
mircea_popescu: so, some may try to soften the target, which allows the target to populate the road towards it with heads on pikes.
mircea_popescu: which is the point of a "justice system" in the first place.
mircea_popescu: overall, these would be "softeners" work as hardeners and are quite useful.
mircea_popescu: and which is why it's so important to get the message loud and clear to any bureaucrat anywhere, that if it comes to war, and we win, he will hang.
mircea_popescu: no questions asked, and his children will be raped for the public record.
mircea_popescu: ussr isn't remembered for having been led by the smartest people ever.
mircea_popescu: but yes, the "no historical precedent" is what the bureaucrat instinctively answers
mircea_popescu: here's a thought : everything that has historical precendent now didn't originally.
mircea_popescu: on the strenght of the zero one infinity rule alone, and of the banal observation that bitcoin also has no historical precendent, it seems... unwise to bet that 1 is the lucky number.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it will probably come down to "you're not in the wot, and so therefore may not claim to own property or pretend to sue anyone"
mircea_popescu: "your negative rating in the wot means you can be killed by anyone and nobody'll care or do anything about it"
mircea_popescu: now try and argue why it's not really fair that you're negrated because some major players didn't like your early anti-bitcoin involvement.
mircea_popescu: xmj experienced live a tiny case study of this general principle, originally.
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mircea_popescu: decimation: The20YearIRCloud: When I say "allodial title" I mean something like having the right to arrest anyone - including government employees - on your property << that';s maybe going a little far. but the right to quash any action of anyone involving that land is germane.
mircea_popescu: (you wouldn't be able to arrest anyone, but you would be able to void any application for a warrant)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: very few physical objects are worth the cost of raising an army to keep arbitrarily large horde of orcs away << this argument is flawed in the following way : for he who is repulsed by war, this holds true. for he who however enjoys war, no payment is necessary.
assbot: A very unfair perspective. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: There isn’t, nor is there going to be a way, manner, instrument or device through which to protect the passive from the active. If you’re not prepared and absolutely willing to spend any amount of time up to the entire rest of your life seeking out and butchering leeches with only the satifaction of well applied, excruciating cruelty as your reward, you’re not made for this world and you won’t long have a place
mircea_popescu: in it. This can’t be delegated, it’s a personal thing. Like citizenship. Like nationality. The only nation immune to the fate of Rhodesia is a nation of that kind of people, living in that kind of world.
mircea_popescu: and it links quite well into "what would the devil have to pay you for you to love him".
mircea_popescu: if you like living, pay is not really a relevant consideration.
mircea_popescu: and people who like to live have enough sense to understand this difference.
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decimation: re: allodial title: I suppose with reference to how it was practiced in medieval England, the king's agents could be on your property on business which has the mutual consent of the king and his lords
decimation: re:safe deposit box, my understanding is that these are the terms all banks in the us give for such things
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mircea_popescu: decimation it's complicated, but in general property is the bane of human existence, so any absolute property has the potential to be absolutely murderous.
mircea_popescu: (look at what happened when people thought the church is a people, started donating a little to it and inadvertently created the largest landholder because unlike them, thge church didn;t die regularly)
decimation: I'm thinking of the mongols' advantage over the static empires of the east
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I think the main point is that you might store papers and things that would be moderately annoying to replace in case of fire
decimation: well I think those terms are 'aspirational' - it goes to the arbitration conversation from a few weeks ago. everyone wants a click-wrap eula that holds them immune from any liability
decimation: heh yeah agreed, especially if the 'value' of those items was simply the information on the documents
decimation: re: gult's gulch << I find it amusing that folks who supposedly value 'self-reliance' and 'liberty' are unable to actually fly to chile and buy some land for themselves, it can't be that hard for a person with means & brains
mircea_popescu: <decimation> asciilifeform: yeah I think the main point is that you might store papers and things that would be moderately annoying to replace in case of fire << divorce.
decimation: in which case the courts will hand whatever valubles to the woman, 'to support the children'
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> decimation: in usa, people have contracted the disease of thinking that money can substitute for everything, including brain and balls << well their government kinda depends on this principle, so if it';s good enough for the king...
mircea_popescu: this is what fucking moral hazard means, incidentally.
mircea_popescu: seeing how supermarkets also offer lockable containers on the same premise as banks do
mircea_popescu: it seems to me it's time to go down on sam's club for acting like a bank w/o a license.
The20YearIRCloud: Around here, most use coffee cans buried. Now you can go to a store and get a "underground safe"
decimation: let me look at my terms... yep, it excludes fire, explosion, intense heat, smoke, water (including fire suppression system) building collapse, terrorism, war, intentional destructive acts, or failures of electrical, mechanical, plumbing or structural systems, or for actions caused by any person
The20YearIRCloud: I keep looking for GPR so i can take it to properties/estates I buy out
The20YearIRCloud: Once in a while I get the chance to buy a un-touched estate - Kids have no interest or are out of state, a trustee locks the property up and you bid on the real estate + all contents
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: yeah that's probably not a bad idea, radar would also find unpleasant surprises that are buried
The20YearIRCloud: I don't know that they can be built, the costs were exorbant for non-military types
The20YearIRCloud: and the thing is, for the most part the world is a big big place and GPR is very limited in what it can do
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: barrels of toxic waste?
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud here's an exercise for you. today you find in a yard 1k coins of 10 grams each, minted 1750.
assbot: Rare gold coins buried in California hit market; one fetches $15,000 - LA Times
The20YearIRCloud: Even in the mid 1700s the quality of gold coins ranged from 50% to 92.5%
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud how much did he get to buy beer for ?
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: that was one coin out of 1400
mircea_popescu: (in general your take is about the same as if publishing a book : about 5 to 10% after govt, agent, editor etc is done raping you)
The20YearIRCloud: But usually the sensationalist media takes the biggest/best one to start it off with
decimation: :The so-called Saddle Ridge Hoard, made up of denominations of $5, $10 and $20, could bring in $10 million when the sale is all said and done, with several pieces expected to command prices as high as $1 million, experts say."
The20YearIRCloud: heck we had a local auctioneer do one guy's coin collection, the whole collection fit on a few small tables and sold for $350k
decimation: one wonders about the potential 'laundry' being done off of such a rich stash
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah that's where saddam was keeping his chem weapons ?
The20YearIRCloud: If I find a box of AKs here in the US there's nothing to do but leap for joy
decimation: "Army officials say the canisters, if they exist, do not pose a threat to the affluent Spring Valley neighborhood as long as they remain undisturbed." << "it's okay for you"
The20YearIRCloud: Theoretically it'd be possible to sell them in any state if you take the right steps
The20YearIRCloud: if they're real-deal AKs you just demill the reciever, then the rest can be sold
decimation: start stashing 7.62 ammo and raise army
The20YearIRCloud: The serial numbered portion is the only part essentially that's illegal
The20YearIRCloud: With regards to coins, you only need to avoid the very, very limited types that are assumed to be stolen from the mint
The20YearIRCloud: Other than that, it's pretty easy to stay quiet, and slowly sell off the horde without signfiicant attention
decimation: asciilifeform: brings to mind the play quoted by Mr. Yarvin where the kulak is found guilty of hording foreign currency in basement
The20YearIRCloud: In the us , gold hording could be jailable, but silver hording was encouraged
decimation: yeah back in the early 1900's the whole idea of the 'silver dollar' was the precursor to the modern bezzle
decimation: after 'backing' your currency with relatively worthless metal, the next logical step being to 'back' it with nothing it all
decimation: silver makes excellent electrical conductors though.
The20YearIRCloud: Right now it's about 1:10,000 in dimes, and about 1:25,000 in quarters
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah oxidation, terrible contacts
decimation: gold actually has worse conductance than copper, but it doesn't oxidize
The20YearIRCloud: Well, considering how little of the connection is used for the gold, it makes plenty of sense
The20YearIRCloud: gold connectors are usually large, so there's more conductivity (due to lower resistence)
The20YearIRCloud: Although theoretically silver wire with gold connectors would be the bee's knees
decimation: gold is also used exclusively to connect pins to chip dies if I recall correctly
The20YearIRCloud: This is of course until we discover room-temperature superconductors, then it's all off
The20YearIRCloud: The little bit of silver soldering I've done has been quite smooth too
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: doubtful. in most circuitry heat loss in conductors isn't terribly critical, and it's hard to imagine said superconductors would be better/cheaper to fabricate than the metals we are discussing
The20YearIRCloud: Most of the data I'm seeing seems to support that once we reach that point, everyone gets their own airship
assbot: Superconductors Enter Commercial Utility Service - IEEE Spectrum
The20YearIRCloud: We have been very much on the upswing concerning superconductors. 50 years ago you had to be near absolute zero, now you can do it at like -200c
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The20YearIRCloud: It's going to JPL for testing, which is a pretty darn good sign as to it working
The20YearIRCloud: And from the papers I've seen, it doesn't seem to be signfiicantly more different than the theory behind VASMIR, and NASA was all over that 15 years ago
The20YearIRCloud: and in the case of emdrive as well, it's signfiicantly more efficient than ion drives, but not absurdly so
The20YearIRCloud: And it, just like ion drives, both would benefit amazingly well by room conducting superconductors
The20YearIRCloud: I'd have to find the papers, but 30-40 years ago it was supposed to violate several principals
The20YearIRCloud: And now, peer reviewed studies seem to come out every few months continaully supporting entanglement
decimation: asciilifeform: it seems to me that an Eötvös balance would be pretty straightforward to build
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2014 19:05:02; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in 2010 i concocted a variant of the test that could be carried out for approx. 50k USD, from scratch. schwartz answered that, in his estimation, the test would work to spec, but results would not be accepted by the field unless carried out on one of the two existing eotvos balances. one - adelberger's, one - chicom.
☟︎ decimation: But according to wikipedia, it appears that the Eötvös balance is some balls, a rod, some string, and some mirrors
decimation: as in, ensuring that all of the masses can be traced to some standard, etc?
decimation: wow, that sucks. metrology is it's own weird little world
decimation: I called up NIST a few weeks ago, asked them how much it would cost to measure the phase noise of an oscillator. They said it would only cost their time, which would come to about $10k! for a morning session
decimation: well, mircea's theory is that musical tastes randomly change with time & entropy, the same is true for academic fashions
decimation: one wonders which forgotten scientist will be recorded by history while official science is resigned to the dustbin
decimation: yeah but it would have implications for relativity theory apparently
decimation: 'how much would you have to pay your enemies not to crush you in your moment of need'
decimation: yeah this connects with our discussion the other day about the collapse of the ussr being terrible for usg
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decimation: “I don't even have an E-mail address. I have reached an age where my main purpose is not to receive messages,” Eco said at a party in his honor at the University Club of Chicago.
assbot: Of Eco And E-mail - The New Yorker
decimation: perelman turned down the fields medal right?
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decimation: it seems very few extreme math geniuses find this world a 'habitable' place
decimation: another way of looking at it: he's decided to hold 'allodial title' over his mind, the only place that is really possible in this world for mere humans
decimation: he wrote 'the name of the rose' among other things, ascii quotes it from time to time
The20YearIRCloud: i've been off reading physics articles trying to grasp things and lost the conversation
decimation: it is probably terrible to become an object of some fad among elites today
decimation: probably the only real defense is to go 'full perelman'
assbot: Becoming effete (Steven B. Harris)
decimation: 'this' being that 'science' becomes inhabitable for non-fraudulent scientists?
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2014 01:57:20; decimation: ?In 1890, professors salaries [at Amherst College] were $ 2,500, more than twenty times tuition. The step up from laborer to professor was immense, for the average wage earner in 1890 earned $425 a year. ?
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decimation: that explains some of the problem: the egalitarian mind-virus
decimation: yeah that's a good point. I think the money is less important than the relative status, which is less important than just getting people to defer to their betters quickly
decimation: asciilifeform: does your nexus 10 provide reasonably close 'paper-like' screen presentation?
decimation: assuming 1 inch margins that sounds about right
The20YearIRCloud: Did I tell you guys that the bank approved the series of loans for RentalStarter?
decimation: do you have any non-toy computers aside from your symbolics machines?
The20YearIRCloud: Big thing is the terms were superior to what I expected, 5% vs 7%, and the ability to do 20yr fixed payback vs 15yr payback or adjustable rates
decimation: that's true, if btc is going to succeed, it is inevitable that it goes up several orders of magnitude in dollar price
The20YearIRCloud: Which is worrysome to me, but then I do have an auto-buy going through on a regular basis, so i'm trying to diversify in multiple methods - Bitcoin, USD, Silver/Gold/Coins , guns, real estate
The20YearIRCloud: hopefully between all that I'll personally be OK, but as far as the business is concerned, till bitcoin is a national currency and most workers get paid in it, it's gonna be hard for us to get truly involved in the BTC economy
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: sounds reasonable. real financial lending will not take place in bitcoin until it becomes the 'new currency'
The20YearIRCloud: And it's hard to judge when that will be, otherwise I do believe our model hedges well against USD collapse, and any major problems, while building enough capital and assets, should we have another downturn that we will be able to severely profit from it
peterl: The20YearIRCloud: so now you get to hold onto bitcoins and use loans to buy houses?
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: kanzure: nah, those're plain old ruins <<< and this you know how ? :D
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud: With regards to coins, you only need to avoid the very, very limited types that are assumed to be stolen from the mint << it's only limited for now, and as a reflection of the coins actually physically found so far. as more juicy morcels make the beast salivate, they'll become less limited.
mircea_popescu: decimation: yeah back in the early 1900's the whole idea of the 'silver dollar' was the precursor to the modern bezzle << not so clear cut, really. more like a power struggle between west and east.
decimation: mircea_popescu: that's true, in that case the eastern bankers were all in favor of gold (as they didn't envision some gov't bank would be able to print infinite silver)
mircea_popescu: amusingly, all the "buitres" scandal in argentina today is exactly reminiscent of midwestern and californian pro-silver aggitation in the 1880s
mircea_popescu: specifically, the "foreign interest" was putting forth gold standard to fleece the "hard working" "real" americans.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: there's always an 'imaginary particle' involved <<< in phairness, this is how physics works all through.
mircea_popescu: decimation: okay that makes sense << what he means by provenance being that if you measure in argon and he measures in xenon, it's not directly obvious what the functions look like to verify if you got the same result and quantify the eventual differences.
mircea_popescu: decimation: I called up NIST a few weeks ago, asked them how much it would cost to measure the phase noise of an oscillator. They said it would only cost their time, which would come to about $10k! for a morning session <<< in other words, "can only work if you have supply of bezzle dollars", ie, "only with scrip saying it's ok signed by stalin"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: if ussr were alive, perhaps he'd have defected. << a fine example of why the "one world, one fuhrer" delusion of government is unproductive.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: (how to know that schwartz (or taleb, or...) collects 'prize' rather than usg stooge with a shannonizer and irc connection - exercise for alert reader.) <<< if you recall something sort-of like that was tried, except this "major prize" approach is flawed as you explain. so, better version was tried :)
decimation: heh "The city voters—especially German Americans—overwhelmingly rejected the free-silver cause out of conviction that it would lead to economic disaster, unemployment, and higher prices. The diversified farmers of the Midwest and East opposed it as well, but the cotton farmers in the South and the wheat farmers in the West were enthusiastic for free silver. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_silver assbot: Free silver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: yet another reason why the germans in the us had to be de-kulaked
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decimation: asciilifeform: is the death-rattle the gridlock caused by bureaucracy replacing science?
decimation: decay from 'rule by men to the bureaucratic state was definitely on the list
RagnarDanneskjol: what do you assume to be the root cause ascii? (besides societal mental atrophy)
decimation: heh turdolade. yeah I guess the bureaucracy really exploded with Diocletian, but things had already been going badly for at least a hundred years
decimation: plus the chinese bureaucracy lasted for hundreds of years per reboot cycle
decimation: one answer: wealth and power sow the seeds of their own destruction, in the avarice and sloth of the new generations
decimation: another answer: when power is passed to the new generation, it tends to be divided rather than concentrated - in the end the franchise is extended to every human and his dog, and no one is really in charge
decimation: mongol hordes appear on the border - giving not one wit about the current power structure - and pillage as they see fit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i really don't think its as political as all that.
mircea_popescu: decimation basically, it was a new immigrant vs old immigrant debate. the old guys had savings and wanted to keep them. the new guys had mortgages and wanted to get rid of them.
mircea_popescu: no but srsly, i can see perfectly valid reasons to not trust measurements made by new guys on new tools.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, recall the story of the milikan pious fraud i think it was ?
mircea_popescu: and the subsequent ones didn't spread out but converged ?
mircea_popescu: right. this was accidental, not the result of conspiraci, ie, political organising.
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2014 05:11:06; decimation: the thing is, Admiral McCain probably didn't have to issue any special instructions to 'finesse' the investigation, the investigators probably all thought it would be a brilliant plan
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (of what? if we knew, there'd be at least a hypothetical pill.) << the public appetite for personal humiliation decays, and with it, the possibility of life.
mircea_popescu: (something needs to push rocks up in the air, and the space station too. what's needed to push them down ?)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider the life and deeds of gabrielle, a buxom blonde girl.
mircea_popescu: when she's 16, she runs out of school (for which she risks a reprimand) and hides behind the bleachers to... kiss (for which she risks quite a lot of societal shunning)
mircea_popescu: she is a "wiser woman" now. happily married now. at her place in life now. well...
mircea_popescu: society in general and civilisation in particular is predicated on making sense of the world, which readily reduces to avoiding being humiliated. this is fine and dandy until it actually works.
mircea_popescu: but if you ever wondered why towards the end of an epoch art moves from classical to trollage... well... art is a sort of societal immune system.
mircea_popescu: there's no distinguishing sufficiently advanced tech from magic, nor sufficiently decayed tech from faith.
xmj: I think my brain just snowcrashed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can attest the faith healing already happens, in those sad sad caves where middle aged women huddle to stroke their collective pretending to be part of civilisation.
mircea_popescu: govt offices, newspaper offices, phone pharms, i seen it everwhere.
mircea_popescu: knew a camwhore who slept with her laptop because the one time she didn't it felt snubbed and wouldn't work right the whole day.
decimation: except I was reading Dijkstra in "structured programming" and he wrote that it was hopeless to try to "prove" practical code. He did suggest that this is a reason for humility and simplicity.
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mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud: i've been off reading physics articles trying to grasp things and lost the conversation << should probably be the motto of b-a
mircea_popescu: decimation: it is probably terrible to become an object of some fad among elites today << you know, i'm a poststructuralist jus' fine.
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mircea_popescu: decimation: yeah that's a good point. I think the money is less important than the relative status, which is less important than just getting people to defer to their betters quickly << no, not quickly. painfully.
mircea_popescu: the "no pain, no gain" equation holds all sorts of critical, unexpected applications.
xmj: mircea_popescu: slept ~17h tonight. slept most of yesterday... (well, powernaps in IST airport and plane)
assbot: High Altitude Boosts Longevity And Reduces Risk Of Dying Of Ischemic Heart Disease - Medical News Today
mircea_popescu: "In one of the most comprehensive studies of its kind, researchers at the University of Colorado School of Medicine in partnership with the Harvard School of Global Health have found that people living at higher altitudes have a lower chance of dying from ischemic heart disease and tend to live longer than others."
mircea_popescu: "experiment" studies people who already did live there. helpful o.O
mircea_popescu: in other news, people living in africa get less sunstroke.
mircea_popescu: "We all act as though we're immortal until we get sick, and then we
mircea_popescu: want the cure now! And when we don't get it, we look for a witch to
mircea_popescu: blame, because witch-hunting is something the human brain does
mircea_popescu: naturally. Certainly it naturally sucks at doing science; much
mircea_popescu: unnatural training is required for that. But gossiping and
mircea_popescu: witch-finding and crime-solving and conspiracy-theories -- that really
mircea_popescu: gets the heart going. I see it has yours going, when the science was
mircea_popescu: really boring! Which is to you say, you're a typical human female."
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xmj: To me, science comes naturally.
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mircea_popescu: <xmj> To me, science comes naturally. << know anyone who actually is of this opinion ?
xmj: A great many friends, yes
xmj: all on the autistic spectrum
mircea_popescu: yeah, well, maybe you shouldn't trust that too far then.
xmj: yeah, well, maybe you have no idea what you're talking about :)
xmj: entrepreneurship pays more than research (postgrad) positions
mircea_popescu: science comes easy to you according to yourself, some friends that are into business and this is somehow my problem ?
xmj: note to self, ignore mircea_popescu on most any discussions as unhelpful
mircea_popescu: im very helpful according to most people i know! HELPING COMES NATURALLY TO ME
RagnarDanneskjol wonders why help is expected during the course of normal discussion
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chetty: cheeky, starting off with my dear :P
mircea_popescu: i think someone put "my dear" for "hello" in some sort of 1970s azn manual of english
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00085489 = 15.6445 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Fresh eruption north of Bardarbunga -video | RV
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15498 @ 0.00085352 = 13.2279 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2852 @ 0.00085268 = 2.4318 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2000 @ 0.00054999 = 1.1 BTC [+] {2}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4112 @ 0.00085861 = 3.5306 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00086174 = 25.5075 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15294 @ 0.00086313 = 13.2007 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] [PAID] 5.05816000 BTC to 63`227 shares, 8000 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] [PAID] 5.00000000 BTC to 50`000 shares, 10000 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 11.99437484 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1043 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23572 @ 0.00086536 = 20.3983 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.60389450 BTC to 15`210 shares, 10545 satoshi per share
assbot: MolokoDesk +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
assbot: ClubOrlov: How can you tell whether Russia has invaded Ukraine?
ben_vulpes: <The20YearIRCloud> And it's hard to judge when that will be, otherwise I do believe our model hedges well against USD collapse, and any major problems << good old belief in the hedge.
ben_vulpes: i bet that model has yet to be...modeled.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4173 @ 0.00086556 = 3.612 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: more like an unkempt bush than any sort of a hedge
jurov: asciilifeform re:orlov it's similar as russian police completely ignoring tortures of gays...if they aren't complicit actively, then it isn't massacre?
jurov: if invasion must mean full scale involvement?
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chetty: Is there a secret drug in the US water that destroys common sense?
Apocalyptic: chetty, one might come to think there must be
jurov: don't be naive people, common sense is an euphemism
assbot: U.S. Hikes Fee To Renounce Citizenship By 422% - Forbes
xmj: jurov: there was this other state that taxed its citizens who wanted to move out.
xmj: well mostly the jewish citizens, and the tax was almost 100%.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: state of the art is probably (cloth-based) paper under inert gas. << Seems to be the case. Ink is another concern as well.
chetty: <xmj> well mostly the jewish citizens, and the tax was almost 100%.// this isnt even the taxes (thats more) this is just a processing fee
xmj: that's what they said, too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00086567 = 30.9044 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00086313 = 8.3292 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: today i learned that the html date field doesn't support placeholders
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.0008617 = 15.5968 BTC [-] {2}
gernika: Where is a good place to escape to?
chetty: <asciilifeform> gernika: bad question. see earlier discussion of 'usable' machines. no such thing as 'good place' any more than 'usable interface.'//+++
ben_vulpes: if one has more than several hundred thousand US there are more taxes than just the expatriation fee.
ben_vulpes: ah, i guess its > 2mil in assets or 157K+ for five years running
chetty: the fees and taxes have increased a lot in the last ten years, as has the difficulty for us citizens living elsewhere, it will get worse
The20YearIRCloud: ben_vulpes: low leverage on real estate bought at a value has done well in every crash in the US, including the 1930s depression era
ben_vulpes: i honestly don't even see the point of expatriation
ben_vulpes: don't outrun bear, be a less visible target than others
ben_vulpes: 'course, hanging here doesn't help much with that.
chetty: better chance of a bank account elsewhere if you are not a us citizen
ben_vulpes: legislature surely will have more interesting things on their hands.
chetty: hmm maybe not, they would lose all the fees for renounce ..
ben_vulpes: deterrence i get, but chasing those already flown?
chetty: there is actually a place that named itself 'galts gulch', boy is that hiding :P
chetty: yeah bringing the children home isn{t all that hard, zero the balance and give em a plane ticket
chetty: and they will come home, wagging their tails behind them
chetty: but 2+2 has always been 5, we have always been at war with oceanana or was that eurasia ..
xmj: doublethink is powerful.
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chetty: asciilifeform, first time I heard that one, great!!!
chetty: well that kinda misses the point, but oh well
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ben_vulpes: is that a chrysalis at the bottom in the face?
nubbins`: it's a sleeping-bag hammock, the stitching is in the next layer :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00086073 = 13.2122 BTC [-] {3}
punkman: why a sleeping bag hammock?
nubbins`: because hammocks are comfortable, and it's snowing on the right side of the page
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00086031 = 20.9055 BTC [-]
assbot: Illegal Retaliation by LSU for HIPAA Violation Complaint
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34714 @ 0.00085538 = 29.6937 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: midnightmagic +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
gribble: Current Blocks: 318506 | Current Difficulty: 2.38446700388033E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 318527 | Next Difficulty In: 21 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 hours, 38 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 27353776597.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.71652
TheNewDeal: Hey did you ever do business with usagi
Anduck: possibly, possibly you've asked me befor.
Anduck: i do not know about his businesses really.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00086215 = 5.8626 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: TheNewDeal: is usagi trying to get you to do biz with him?
TheNewDeal: Not explicitly. He was bragging off hand
TheNewDeal: Trying dig through the wot for some practice
TheNewDeal: Have you had any first person experience with him ben?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00086228 = 15.7366 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: (you can tab-complete my name to ping me, btw TheNewDeal)
ben_vulpes: and not personally. i don't do this crazy asset dance - i just build shit and acquire btc.
ben_vulpes: nubbins` actually inspired me on the topic, although he still does the numismatic thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20704 @ 0.00086134 = 17.8332 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: let the permanent record permanently reflect that i permanently have no btc though despite all my best efforts to the contrary
kakobrekla: Bit coin, Where it is registered? can i have a clear picture about Bitcoin?
TheNewDeal: Need to find ky own production avenue yet...
jurov: ftfm: pa(u)percoin
jurov: ;;google paupercoin
jurov: lol gribble got completely different stuff than me
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jurov: when nobody's looking, gribble eats lobster patties
jurov: sry to break the news to you both... you'll have to collect them yourselves :)
jurov: sub-units of the crown made of aluminium, true paupercoins.
jurov: but they were at least usable wherever round object was needed, with optional hole drilled
jurov: <= 5 eurocents are copper plated steel
jurov: will decay quickly if drilled
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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: more like an unkempt bush than any sort of a hedge. * ben_vulpes goes off to come naturally << irl lol.
mircea_popescu: jurov: asciilifeform re:orlov it's similar as russian police completely ignoring tortures of gays...if they aren't complicit actively, then it isn't massacre? << this theory is appealing unless one stops to consider they were by this token complicit in the murder of whoever many million "tutsi"s whatever the fuck that may be, happening wherever the fuck that may have happened at some point nobody cared about.
jurov: russian law does not concern the tutsis
jurov: as compared to their own citizens
mircea_popescu: yes but the point of contention there would be that according to the russian law, there exists no such thing as a gay russian citizen
jurov: the point of contention was "this is not an invasion"
mircea_popescu: law always and everywhere functioning as this device for the construction of a simplified world more or less based on the world as is
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't trust orlov much furher than i can throw him tbh.
jurov: and i got carried too far with similes
mircea_popescu: "Because if Russia invaded on Thursday morning, this is what the situation on the ground would look like by Saturday afternoon." sounds suspiciously like "i am a potent man, if i had raped her she'd be pregnant. is she pregnant ? no ? well then!"
jurov: guess i should think about sex too when coming up with argument :D
mircea_popescu: jurov well see, if your simile revolves around sex (and being gay is all about sex innit) then sex is best considered all around. the old "never use an item you don't see the full contours of" engineering caveat.
mircea_popescu: "Add to that the relentless radio chatter, all in Russian, which anyone who wants to can intercept, and the operation becomes impossible to hide." orly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, does orlov admit officially to russian military training as a strategist/analyst/whatevs ?
mircea_popescu: assbot: U.S. Hikes Fee To Renounce Citizenship By 422% - Forbes << color me the transparent color of surprise.
mircea_popescu: nah, i'm quite confident he went to school (mid level, nothing fancy).
mircea_popescu: sorta the same way you can tell if this pinoy chick learned english with the nuns.
mircea_popescu: nothing flattering about it, the military (all nations) has yet to have made a decent school. even the stuff they think is good stinks.
mircea_popescu: which is quite why the regular beatings delivered to them by people who didn't go to school. engineering - a comparable line of work - doesn't suffer from this plague of "he's a voodoo plumber and well... his plumbing is actually better than ours"
mircea_popescu: unless you credit the "here's the secret engineers hate : how a social media employed mom of three from kansas built a fusion reactor in her kitchen!" ads
mircea_popescu: *: ben_vulpes puts the fiat assets in lady v's name << you plan on leaving her behind or something ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8664 @ 0.00085923 = 7.4444 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: creating noise << here's some noise for you : borrow as much as you can, to buy consumer items, then liquidate everything for cash, buy bitcoins and a plane ticket. wish everyone left behind good luck on your way out, what's an extra 100k they have to pay on your account on top of the 2 trn they have to pay for on bush's account and the 9 to 15 on obama's ?
jurov: he needs a passport first. preferably with rusty staples.
thestringpuller: i thought you can't run away from your debt unless you defect?
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud: ben_vulpes: low leverage on real estate bought at a value has done well in every crash in the US, including the 1930s depression era <<< how about twelve oaks ? how well did outright owned property fare in the face of the carpetbagger ?
thestringpuller: chetty told me she still pays US taxes and hasn't been there in like a decade
nubbins`: <+ben_vulpes> nubbins` actually inspired me on the topic, although he still does the numismatic thing << gotta keep the shinies in circulation
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: plus it isn't clear that paying the 'legit' fees gets you anything in the long run. who's gonna force usg to honour the cancellations when they decide not to? the devil ? << this is the most germane point. i'd rather pay power Y to cancel my citizenship with power X than power X itself.
mircea_popescu: a government can only be relied on to enforce an agreement when it's to your detriment, so makingany sort of reflexive agreement with a goverment makes no sense. the only sensible agreements one can make with governments is "how about you two fight".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: people have asked me why haven't escaped, and i answer 'i haven't $xx mil.' to which, eyes bug out, and i have to explain 'a real escape means retrieval is not simply legally, but militarily uneconomical.' << let me tell you a story.
chetty: well I dont have the fire power to hold off the gasenvagens, yet. So I file my taxes
mircea_popescu: i once took a pretty girl off the hands of a better man, strictly for the reason that he was beset by this mental disease of "before x, must y. before y, must z, no less than k" and on it went. i was beset by no such issue and so i fucked the girl before he managed to satisfy the prerequisites to having the town council meeting that'd have decided if it was a good idea to turn over the covers in their marital bed.
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of advantages to living dirty, dirt chief among them.
chetty: how the heck can you call that a better man?
chetty: <asciilifeform> 'before x, y' is a professional disease of engineering types. might as well fault a sailor for walking bow-legged on land.// +++++++++
mircea_popescu: they always think being better men comes naturally to them.
chetty: better belongs right in there with usability and other such nonsense
mircea_popescu: "The Usability of Better Men, And Other Such Nonsense". should be a book.
nubbins`: the natural usability of the better man, or z>y>x
mircea_popescu: "derp sees empty string, proceeds to supply wholly owned derpage, giving me infinity results"
mircea_popescu: more like, based on the rather naive expectation that since what he read in books he's seen irl, it must mean the books are wise.
nubbins`: "the last thing you want is everybody owning large amounts of bitcoins."
mircea_popescu: From this tale, three morals: not he is your enemy who plants you down in shit; << if only they taught this, whip in hand, in us schools.
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mircea_popescu: chetty: asciilifeform, first time I heard that one, great!!! << and here i thought everyone knew that one.
cazalla: misprints worth more nubbins` ?
nubbins`: that's destined for life as a permanent test print
nubbins`: maybe once some other cool shit gets layered down, it'll be a nice piece on its own
nubbins`: <lelbot> your lel balance is currently zero, please try having a lel
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7582 @ 0.00085923 = 6.5147 BTC [-]
gribble: Error: "tickewr" is not a valid command.
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nubbins`: with only hours left on the clock!
assbot: Illegal Retaliation by LSU for HIPAA Violation Complaint
nubbins`: buy a poster while you're at it
gribble: Nick 'nubbins`', with hostmask 'nubbins`!~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163082159.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net', is identified as user 'nubbins`', with GPG key id CF2950F23C844002, key fingerprint 5015BD3D0AE659C8B8632F31CF2950F23C844002, and bitcoin address None
assbot: The Institute for Justice
mircea_popescu: it's right there in city hall, but let's pretend we don't know about it./
thestringpuller: 5735e854f041ecff815fc205addb73a183b7f2fd27eb16affae41896c25f6b99 << txid
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the last time a woman was raped was in 2005, back when the last guy could still get it up. but letr's all derp about rape
nubbins`: should i sent poster to same address?
mircea_popescu: The most terrifying place in Philadelphia is Courtroom 478 in City Hall. This is where property owners enter Philadelphia’s Civil Forfeiture Machine. Civil forfeiture is a little-known legal device that allows law enforcement officials to take your property, sell it and pocket the proceeds—even if you have done nothing wrong.
mircea_popescu: Philadelphia’s automated, machine-like forfeiture scheme is unprecedented in size. From 2002 to 2012, Philadelphia took in over $64 million in forfeiture funds—or almost $6 million per year. In 2011 alone, the city’s prosecutors filed 6,560 forfeiture petitions to take cash, cars, homes and other property. The Philadelphia District Attorney’s office used over $25 million of that $64 million to pay salaries, inc
mircea_popescu: luding the salaries of the very prosecutors who brought the forfeiture actions. This is almost twice as much as what all other Pennsylvania counties spent on salaries combined.
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2014 20:58:05; asciilifeform: 'In Courtroom 478, property owners are instructed to sign in and indicate with a checkmark on the sign-in sheet the kind of property they are there to save. The sign-in sheet lists the following categories of property: "house," "car," "money," or "gun." ... Assistant district attorneys with the Public Nuisance Task Force fully control the proceedings inside "Courtroom" 478. There is no judge, no jury,
nubbins`: imagine, a courtroom in city hall
mircea_popescu: it contains no judge (not even one of those non-judge "magistrate" usg agents)
mircea_popescu: so it's a courtroom only in the sense that... it isn't.
thestringpuller: nubbins`: can you follow up with an invoice of the fee break down (shipping, shirt cost, poster cost etc. etc. etc.)?
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: "As a result, the entire family was thrown out of the house for one week, even though Chris and his wife were never charged with or convicted of any wrongdoing. The family was allowed back in pending the outcome of their forfeiture proceeding, but only under the condition that they kick out their son and agree to waive their rights in any civil-forfeiture proceedings in the future. "
thestringpuller: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:e110e07e0043a8f3de9b9d8f5e3dacabb843a7dd7e2eec5b4d6af109
gribble: You are now authenticated for user thestringpuller with key 0FF2943DA179E169
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
nubbins`: iirc this whole thing of "waiving your rights" doesn't really exist in canada
nubbins`: i mean, i'm sure there are some situations
nubbins`: but let's say you sign a waiver at the rock climbing gym, rope breaks, neck breaks. waiver isn't worth the paper it's printed on
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no dude, let's "raise awareness" about how niggers got to survive as an ethnic group (something most equally retarded pacific and red skin tribes did not) because they got transported by the dutch to slave in the us, and this happened centuries ago was a very bad thing.
mircea_popescu: the fact that the city hall has an office of theft does not.
mircea_popescu: pour some ice water on your head why dontcha. jesus god.
thestringpuller: lol did I miss the 35 dollar mark or is it 15 for shipping?
thestringpuller: If you could put all that in the final invoice that'd be dope as fuck appreciate doing business with you.
nubbins`: only 8 left now, you got the early bird price ;D
thestringpuller: oh and could you do a separate invoice for the commission that's in progress (the remaining balance etc.)
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: Trying dig through the wot for some practice << not such a bad idea.
nubbins`: sounds like i need a secretary
gribble: Nick 'nubbins`', with hostmask 'nubbins`!~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163082159.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net', is identified as user 'nubbins`', with GPG key id CF2950F23C844002, key fingerprint 5015BD3D0AE659C8B8632F31CF2950F23C844002, and bitcoin address None
nubbins`: amt paid on portrait: $100. amt remaining: $350
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 31-08-2014 23:36:55; nubbins`: amt paid on portrait: $100. amt remaining: $350
assbot: S.MG, April 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
midnightmagic: It is not possible to waive fundamental rights in Canada. Certain other righs (such as moral rights in copyright law) also can't be legally waived or given away or signed away.
midnightmagic: But lots of rights can be contracted or signed away or waived..
mircea_popescu: relatedly : There was a young fellow named Brewer whose girl made her home in a sewer. Thus he, the poor soul, could get into her hole yet still be unable to screw her!
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