mircea_popescu: "wow ok. Sounds like nobody thought it would get this big.
mircea_popescu: They need to make the next version use a better database system that is not linearly.
mircea_popescu: gotta love tardstalk. almost as good as washington post, in that it's not merely written by retards,
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 20:33:13; ascii_field: anyway, notice that his reaction was ~NOT~ to visit therealbitcoin.org & get the real client.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 20:43:47; pete_dushenski: physical dogecoin is printed on a piece of cut-out cardboard from an empty cereal box
shinohai: Wonderful, it even has an rss feed.
nubbins`: muscle memory is a weird thing
nubbins`: i coulda SWORN i just typed in my pgp passphrase completely and utterly wrong
nubbins`: somehow: 100+ chars, no mistakes
nubbins`: mircea_popescu asciilifeform "physical doge" was totally a thing. iirc copper rounds?
nubbins`: dogecoin belongs in a "classic hype machines of the information age" textbook
nubbins`: for a while i was paid to develop bespoke widgets for "microsoft sharepoint", a CMS/DMS that is the biggest piece of shit you'll never see
nubbins`: no kidding, every now and then some internal piece of code would return an array of strings as a single, very large string, with entries separated by the escape string "#;"
nubbins`: move over CSV, P/SCSV is the new kid in town
nubbins`: they also reappropriated all these general words like "Site" and "Web" and gave them specific definitions
nubbins`: and then literally reversed a bunch of the terms in the next version, so a site was now a web and a web was now a site
☟︎ nubbins`: but of course they didn't update the API
nubbins`: Web mySite = new Web(); would create a Site object
nubbins`: Site myWeb = new Site(); would create....
nubbins` facepalms thrice, runs out of hands, uses desk
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nubbins`: anyway i gotta fuck off talking about that
nubbins`: having a bad tech day and reminiscing about nightmares past isn't helping
phf: hehe, maybe you also have PAIP in djvu?
nubbins`: smooth talkers win more often than not
nubbins`: i find people don't want X so much as they want the experience of choosing/buying/being sold X
nubbins`: nobody wanted windows, they wanted the experience of being dazzled by shiny things
☟︎ nubbins`: once the foot's in the door, sure, act changes
nubbins`: nowadays they're riding the wave
nubbins`: and windows uh, what is it now? 10?
nubbins`: or was it the pneumatic water-based lift thing
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell shinohai played with Dillo today. Seems to be promising "graphical" www browser
nubbins`: Bleyle admits that repairs can be pricey, especially hand-rewinding a DC motor, which can run between US $30 000 and $40 000. But he says even a refurbished motor looks cheap compared with the $500 000 cost of replacing the elevator, not to mention the months of involuntary stair climbing during the upgrade.
nubbins`: “Usually people just go for the motor,” says Bleyle.
nubbins`: at some point in my life, i'd like to require the rewinding of a motor
nubbins`: fairly unlikely at this point tho.
shinohai: Looks pretty interesting BingoBoingo, bookmarked.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Seems to address the much neglected niche of graphical www without any scripting. Apparently default browser on 'raspian'
nubbins`: jobs is marginally interesting for having fessed up to LSD usage, but as i understand it was generally a piece of shit otherwise
shinohai: I have never owned a RasPI ... I can usually scrounge up a shitty laptop or something and load Debian on it xD
shinohai: Heh. I have only "owned" 1 apple product ever, an ipad and that lasted a week before I gave it away in disgust.
shinohai: Laptop I have now came with Win 8, which I never even booted in to.
phf: ppc macs were nice. i spent years with a handmedown g3 ibook, running linux on it, and i still love that machine, probably for sentimental reasons
shinohai may die of dysentery if he gets one.
nubbins`: for a time, i developed "app store" apps as a hobby
nubbins`: ended up with an iphone, ipad, macbook...
shinohai: I had a musician friend in Berlin that loved Macbooks for music. Specialized use tho.
nubbins`: ipad sorta sucks now because it can't run the latest iOS and essentially zero new apps target the old versions
nubbins`: so it's essentially frozen in time
nubbins`: macbook, still going strong. typing on it now while InDesign pumps out dead tree sheets
BingoBoingo: <phf> ppc macs were nice. i spent years with a handmedown g3 ibook, running linux on it, and i still love that machine, probably for sentimental reasons << Bought one used with defunct vertical line on screen. Played with then closeted, then recycled. Prolly should have kept it.
shinohai: It's like buying a Ferrari with the hood welded shut.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but generally i don't recommend an archaeologist's machine to a civilian << I recommend this one because hypercard. As a dare, for the ones that get it realize not all "advances" are such.
nubbins`: asciilifeform they froze support for 2009 macbooks?!
shinohai: How is Crapples iWatch thing going does anyone know?
nubbins` has late-2008, is running second-latest OS
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i like my 'hypercard' on at least 800x600 pixels << I usually do the presentation with a "clean desk" to heighten to realization that this machine was small enought to allow civilized other work at desk, as happened in age when computer was office accessory.
phf: BingoBoingo: i use that ibook for mac os 9 now, with kaleidoscope, hypercard, mcl (macintosh common lisp). i boot it up from time to time and it feels like the cyberpunk future that never was
nubbins`: i thought you couldn't even turn those back on again once they powered down.
phf: i like to show mcl to people who rave to me about some new feature in visual studio
nubbins`: i had a colleague who used to carry around his macbook air in a manila envelope
nubbins`: cocoa API is more nextstep than anything else
nubbins`: srsly, NSInteger, NSString, etc
assbot: Logged on 09-12-2014 02:39:31; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as a boy, i often thought that i would grow up, 'have money', and buy an apple computer - at least to try it (the crippled machines at schools, etc. were an interesting diversion, and i imagined that mac is 'rich man's computer' somehow)
nubbins`: in the sense that starbucks is rich man's coffee.
nubbins`: people like starbucks for no good rational reason either
nubbins`: "it's good" fuck you, no it's not.
nubbins`: as someone who knows far too much about the science of coffee, starbucks is actual shit
☟︎ nubbins`: that's because they roast all their fucking beans too dark.
nubbins`: starbucks roasts all beans to "second crack", which is the entry point to "dark roasts"
nubbins`: they claim this is so they're not selling you pesky water-containing beans but fully-dried coffee goodness
nubbins`: but really it's so they can swap out bean X for bean Y in Holiday Blend and nobody notices.
nubbins`: starbucks is dominant because people want the experience of buying coffee more than they want coffee.
nubbins`: why would anyone want the trappings of power instead of the real thing?
nubbins`: why would a rapper buy a ferrari instead of some GICs?
nubbins`: starbucks drinkers do not realize that the real thing exists
nubbins`: they think they're drinking it.
nubbins`: ;;google trappings of power site:thelastpsychiatrist.com
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> is it some brain infection ? << Yes, disease was 1950's USia. The appearance that came from the plenty of being only "civilized" area not torn to shit in the 1940's and agriculture's strain to provide real food. Marketing got really good at pushing "tv dinners"
nubbins`: we were thinking about selling P's house a few months ago. talked to a couple of realtors
nubbins`: first one was very businesslike: what's the house like, how big, how much you wanna sell it for
nubbins`: second one spent a fuckin hour selling us on the experience of selling our house through her
☟︎ nubbins`: i'll do x, i'll do y, i won't do z, here's a tote bag
BingoBoingo: Several decades of "marketing" and you've got generations starting life with the impression that powdered cheese belongs on noodles
nubbins`: the experience-seller waited until the end of the convo to tell us that she'd be listing the house $30k below market value and if we didn't like that, find someone else
nubbins`: mats it was a bit light on the actual tech stuff for my liking
mats: my motivation to learn RE has been flagging recently and this is just the ticket
mats: yeah I've heard that, I only just finished the pilot
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: even the impression that powdered cheese belongs is a bad one
mats: asciilifeform: access.
mats: curiosity, access, and power.
mats: hence my narrow focus on exploitation.
phf: starbucks is kind of like mcdonalds, and the same reason microsoft won, guiranteed same mediocre experience, so if you're driving through north carolina and you need your caffeine fix, you don't have to engage any mental faculties, because there be dragons outside your comfort bubble. i've noticed that with a lot of my starbucks loving friends, for them it's kind of like "i know this, this is starbucks"
nubbins`: phf same thing with Tim Horton's in canada
nubbins`: it's a regular occurrence these past few years for Timmy's drive-thrus to have to be rebuilt to accomodate more traffic
nubbins`: because of drive-thru bozos spilling out of the parking lot and into the road
ben_vulpes: our coffee's just about the best one can buy in this town.
phf: i'm surprised there isn't some hip coffee shop with brooklyn roasted beans in silver spring..
ben_vulpes: they don't have the water necessary to make coffee you can taste
nubbins`: real coffee shops filter their water
ben_vulpes: how can you trust their roasting if you can't trust their tasting?
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: shops, maybe. in some place, maybe. not here.
mats: asciilifeform: we'll see in a decade or two. this is my life's work.
nubbins`: phun phact, beans are shipped green from source and roasted at destination
☟︎ phf: nubbins`: oh, that was re asciilifeform's comments. there's plenty of good coffee in philadelphia
ben_vulpes: my buddy goes through a TEU of raw cacao beans every year or so.
shinohai: Hey there is always Kopi Luwak
nubbins`: shinohai Kopi Luwak is 100% for rubes
ben_vulpes: i have 2 top-notch joints within 5 minutes stroll.
nubbins`: kopi luwak = let's take some weasels, cage them, force feed them shit-quality coffee
nubbins`: pick the intestinal worms out of the diarrhoea
nubbins`: and sell the beans for $150/lb
ben_vulpes: eh, optimize performance for elemental
nubbins`: the animal naturally likes coffee cherries
shinohai: I always feel like reddit started that trend or something
nubbins`: nowadays, the animals are force-fed so you might as well feed the beans to a cow.
nubbins`: i guess the intestinal juices / fermenting impart a flavour
BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> nowadays, the animals are force-fed so you might as well feed the beans to a cow. << I have the feeling a ruminant's multiple stomachs could defeat even a bean.
nubbins`: but i've never seen a serious coffee cupper give kopi luwak more than a 7/10
nubbins`: jamaican blue mountain, same shit
nubbins`: too stupid to realize that coffee is produce
nubbins`: and just because a farm had a great crop one year
nubbins`: doesn't mean all coffee from that region is great
nubbins`: or even that next year's batch will be fit to drink
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i bet pigs would work just as well << May need an obligate carnivore for musk from the anal glands. Perhaps physical Doge may have a use.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> the secret is, i LIKED MAC OS << noises were gorgeous
nubbins`: hell, most humans won't eat coffee
nubbins`: (was at friend's house one hung-over morning. his wife places chocolate chip pancakes on table in front of him. he starts chewing, massive crunching sounds. i raise eyebrow; "coffee beans", he says)
BingoBoingo: "Roundup Ready" can probably be introduced into Doge via certain primate CYP450A1 alleles
nubbins`: asciilifeform this is the guy w/ the ramblings i occasionally post
nubbins`: !s the buggers held full control
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> it's actual swill << every time that i'm up north i can't shake the feeling that's where they ship the tired american brands to finally croak
☟︎ nubbins`: it's all about single-origin these days
nubbins`: turns out coffee has incredibly complex flavours
nubbins`: i used to buy beans from sweetmarias.com
nubbins`: ($12 hit-air popcorn popper is a very capable roaster)
nubbins`: low volume tho. 1/4cup at a time.
nubbins`: later, i re-wired a breadmaking machine and heatgun combo into a roaster
nubbins`: asciilifeform a roast takes ~6 minutes in a popper
nubbins`: ^ a great place to start if you're curious
nubbins`: Yirga Cheffe is hands-down my favourite coffee origin
phf: asciilifeform: it was a reasonable guess :)
phf: nubbins`: i always thought blends are like multigrain breads, a way to have a brand separate from the product, so you can easily substitute your sources
nubbins`: this is done different ways in different places.
nubbins`: kenya, for example: all coffee is sold through government auction, where the beans are sorted not by quality, original, processing method, etc but by SIZE.
nubbins`: colombia: all coffee sold through government ("juan valdez"), always blended to produce well-rounded, nice, but uninteresting cups
nubbins`: compare with most of central america, ethiopia, and others, where you can go to an actual farm and say "i want THESE beans" and receive said beans
nubbins`: (sweet maria's often makes deals direct with farmers, bypassing "fair trade" and the requisite fee structure while also giving farmers more of the money for themselves)
nubbins`: phun phact, you have to pay TransFair $0.10 for each coffee bag you print the "fair trade" logo on
phf: oh i was wondering why i never see kenyan beans from roasters. ethiopia, rwanda
nubbins`: asciilifeform there are plenty of small-batch gourmet roasters that sell online
nubbins`: "coffee subscriptions" are a thing, even.
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nubbins`: you'd actually have to -- gasp -- go buy the beans
phf: gentooization is the norm of usg living
nubbins`: or do you only eat bread from sandwich shops?
nubbins`: if your complaint is that the thing you want is not literally within 10 minutes of your home
nubbins`: i'm not sure why i'm trying to help you find a solution
nubbins`: and i've got a two-minute walk.
nubbins`: maybe you need to move to a new city ;p
nubbins`: where specialty coffee is not delivered to your door twice monthly, but within walking distance
nubbins`: hey, if you're in the other washington, china is to the west
nubbins`: why in the fuck is the yellow print head printing black ink?
nubbins`: good thing i've gotten 0 accomplished since 2pm
phf: гудбай америка о, страна где я не буду никогда
nubbins`: printed some cool SHARKS today, tho
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> y'know, the mythical 'west' that my parents thought they were moving us to << I'd hate to see the alternate history where your parents moved you to ben_vulpes's west
nubbins`: had hoped to get the other 2 colours down today, but..
nubbins`: ok, actually have to throw printer out window. seeya
phf: BingoBoingo: there's an entire generation of foreigners who believed in the america of coca cola commercials and schwarzenegger movies. they thought the aspirational simulacrum is the real deal. so of course moving here was a huge letdown.
phf: there's a lot of russian jews working at NIH, self style soviet dissidents, who now run various research departments same way as they were doing it back then. the common sentiment is basically "we've been had for a pair of chinese jeans"
phf: the "west" ascii is talking about, is the place that only existed on the 80s vhs tapes.
BingoBoingo: Only Hollywood movies where CIA is an antagonist are the ones where Tom Cruise works for a still more secret agency
mats: not so secret, the IMF
BingoBoingo: The only really appealing thing from any of those films I've seen was the gum.
gernika: There's a generation of americans that believed in those ads and movies too.
decimation: phf: I think this is the root of about 90% of euro hate on the us
decimation: yarvin pointed this out as well: you failed to live up to the america you propagandised us into believing in!
decimation: which is why they spaz out whenver something slightly right-wing happens in the us, and meanwhile award obama the nobel
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: didn't take you for a mission impossible fan.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform as a pot smoking hippie in some alternate reality...the stuff good sitcoms are made of
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mircea_popescu: <phf> the "west" ascii is talking about, is the place that only existed on the 80s vhs tapes. << word srsly.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 00:19:03; nubbins`: and then literally reversed a bunch of the terms in the next version, so a site was now a web and a web was now a site
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 00:23:54; asciilifeform: nubbins`: the philosophical (if not in any detectable way historical) continuity of microshit and edison's thing
mircea_popescu: the avatars of "common sense" as held by the mentally stunted adult roman woman of "respectable extraction" would find exact equivalents in the heads of your new york rachel fucktard today, or in the heads of british imbecile a century ago, or wherever else. and it'd take them all of half an hour to start nodding approvingly at each other
mircea_popescu: a facility which is both why so very few women do anything notable and at the same time why stuff like language even maintains any sort of continuity over time.
decimation: lol from the youtube comments of that Amerika song: "There is absolutely nothing positive in germany that comes from America. America's entire auto industry re-packages their cars from German made models. This model of doing business is used on every thing America sells. "
decimation: "And before some idiot American yells "we saved you in ww2!". No, you did not. America allied with Communism and slaughtered millions of Europeans. America has brought death, porn and gmo's. FUCK YOU"
decimation: ^ this is true and completely untaught in the us
decimation: (assuming he is talking about the forced repatriation of ethnic germans
mircea_popescu: they came up with thje "let's put a lawnmower engine in ten cubic meters of injected plastic" thing all on their own
mircea_popescu: next you knew, bmw and mercedes were falling over each othert toi make "suv"s
decimation: there's a weird cultural thing in america about minivans
mircea_popescu: 1.3k cc engine "trucks" that can't climb a 3% incline.
decimation: somehow it's okay to drive a gigantic truck with seats (suv) but a minivan isn't - even though it's more efficient and generally can carry more stuff
decimation: ? trucks in the us have gigantic engies
decimation: it's quite common to see them fitted with diesels that generate more than 400 brake hp
BingoBoingo: <decimation> "And before some idiot American yells "we saved you in ww2!". No, you did not. America allied with Communism and slaughtered millions of Europeans. America has brought death, porn and gmo's. FUCK YOU" << Pretty sure German actually was on the GMO crop train first
decimation: well, yes it is true to see trucks like that are very expensive
mircea_popescu: also, anyone who thinks "america has brought porn" is a fucktard of prime order.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Not really how it works. Same name covers about 15 very different trucks any given year.
phf: it's sitll pax americana last time i checked, so everyone's a hater
phf: mircea_popescu: my handlers
BingoBoingo: Anyways the Nordics introduced death to America first when they collapsed Red civilization with biological terrorist attacks.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 00:24:34; asciilifeform: specifically, the one thing edison is known with certainty to have invented is inferior-tech-empire-propped-by-pseudoentrepreneurial-fud
mircea_popescu: and for the first time making it worth something projectively. prior to that, it was just measured by the world, as anything. exported to china for its silver weight etc.
mircea_popescu: edison definitely instrumental in all of this, but there's a good half dozen names involved.
decimation: well, europe destroying itself didn't help their case either
mircea_popescu: sort of a reversed lenin equation. "sturdy but dumb" + "aluminum siding salesmen" = $$$
decimation: after wwi anyone who wasn't a dead or on fire was by default the 'winner'
mircea_popescu: still, you know - that old question of "so you want the mike - what are you going to say into it ?"
decimation: well, we've seen the 'american century'
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu>
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215525 << dunno that edison invented this. it was quintessential to the forging of the original us, the construct that for the first time mattered on the world stage, giving the dollar like any purchasing power whatsoever << Probably actually started when US and Britain fought for monopoly to impress North Americans into maritime service
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 00:24:34; asciilifeform: specifically, the one thing edison is known with certainty to have invented is inferior-tech-empire-propped-by-pseudoentrepreneurial-fud
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nah, it was a carnegie, and rockefeller, and so on and so on thing
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think it started earlier
phf: i met oleg kalugin at russian cultural center, he had a handler with him, a tall gentleman, presumably from cia, who mas making sure that kalugin doesn't say something he's not supposed to say. i always wanted one of those, but until that time i just look for coded messages in the new yorker :)
BingoBoingo: Carnegie and Rockefeller did not invent Northern Aggression on their own in their own lifetimes without foundations
mircea_popescu: wait, kalughin ?! the guy who was eventually bent in two, tied together and thrown out with the trash ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the guy that kept waking up and dreaming stuff with the bush and the policeman ?
phf: i don't know the bush and the policeman reference, but i assume "bent in two, tied together and thrown out" is a reference to his espionage trial, then the same
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assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 02:43:09; mircea_popescu: lol this is going to be painful.
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assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 03:08:33; mircea_popescu: wait, kalughin ?! the guy who was eventually bent in two, tied together and thrown out with the trash ?
mats: snowden deserves to hang
mats: a man does not purport to reveal govt wrongdoing and then proceed to dump hundreds of thousands of documents indiscriminately
mats: this is not responsible disclosure at any stretch
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BingoBoingo: I find Snowden and Saavis guy a nive contrast. Snowden gets hot stripper wife, Saavis CEO get stripper fired.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> wait, snowden married ?! << Last I checked his girlfriend followed him into exile.
mircea_popescu: the problem is not that i don't understand what you're saying. the problem is i don't see what you're basing it on.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> who was killed << I suspect this is more Greenwald than Snowden1
mircea_popescu: not that what you propose doesn't make for a better story, but still.
mircea_popescu: so, t1 = snowden 2 ran off with some papers ; t2 = usg figurdd it out ; t3 = snowden 1 is created for purpose of defense ; t4 = greenwald & co start promoting snowden 1 ; t5 = snowden 2 finally makes public contact ; t6 = greenwald & co claim contact ; t7->to this present day
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the difference is a brick in the face. << I lean towards attributing this to the two having sifferent roles and access. Difference being Snowden1 achieved escape velocity before collaborating with Greenwald and others while 2 blindly followed 1's example into trap
mircea_popescu: it can only be plausible if simultaneously a) one's never had any sort of interaction wit hthe usg and b) one's stewed for years / millions of words' worth in some armchair generalship club.
mircea_popescu: the problem with this theory is that it's thoroughly based on itself.
mircea_popescu: but looky : the fact that some later schmuck had better/different materials
mircea_popescu: this is "my girlfriend was a virgin when i met her because her previous boyfriend had a shitty job"
mircea_popescu: well, everything you saw the guardian publish, at any rate.
mircea_popescu: recall that one time when iu had to force "wikileaks" to publish documents ?
mircea_popescu: the fact that the barnacles are barnacles does not speak much of the ship.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> well, everything you saw the guardian publish, at any rate. << Greenwald/Guardian did filter the SNowden 1 documents
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fwiw, i've not yet published tons of reams of piles of stuff either.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> if nothing else whatsoever were known about them, the redactions make it entirely obvious << WHich is why the escaped yet utterly contained Snowden1 is known for nothing but powerpoints. Censored and surrounded with phriends.
mircea_popescu: the reason they did is that some of the ips were actually traceable to various poorly protected shells.
mircea_popescu: and at the time at least they still thought "we" don't have the list
BingoBoingo: Nothing interesting was ever conveyed by powerpoint
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, that was actually a rather lulzy forced humiliation.
mircea_popescu: they couldn't even let the ips through, because that badly set up.
phf: if corporate sop is anything to go by, it's probably easier to get access to powerpoints (cross-company shared materials), then to actual technical details (contained within individual teams' machines)
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2015 04:57:56; asciilifeform: essentially, something so utterly catastrophic to usg that it could not possibly be a hangout
phf: lizard hitler's stash
BingoBoingo: <phf> lizard hitler's stash << Jurrassic World topping the box office because Lizards are real
mats: deedbot-: dpaste.com/3QCXX90.txt
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're getting decimated alright, you're just not in a too good position to observe it i guess.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but the beating usg is taking online for the past half decade makes the beating it's been taking on the ground in any military engagement since ww2 look like a piss in the park.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: phf yeah, which is how snowden (1) got all the stuff in the first place.
mircea_popescu: <phf> lizard hitler's stash <<< yeah, aka "i'll believe this outside phenomena happened if and only if, and only to the degree it, confirms convictions i held previously and independently of reality"
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 00:28:06; nubbins`: nobody wanted windows, they wanted the experience of being dazzled by shiny things
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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> << this was maybe os/x and generally crapple. it pretty much never was microsoft. microsoft was historically more like george costanza's annoying tune. << Unfortunately for everyone's enshittenment Constanza and Windows 95 ascended to prominence at roughly the same time.
BingoBoingo: Windows wasn't really even much of a thing apparently until Windows 95 when the local Walmart had lines for it thanks to "marketing"
pete_dushenski: "Drivers who work for Uber should verify their vehicles are insured for commercial use, the Insurance Bureau of Canada said Tuesday after the Alberta government concluded the ride-hailing service's insurance policies don't meet that province's requirements." << ayup. sv's 'sharing economy' is a whole whack of insurance fraud.
BingoBoingo: That was the moment where the transition went from every individual computer manufacterer's branded Microsoft DOS to the unified Windows monolith. It really is no wonder... considering what was going on at IBM in retrospect... that people though OS/2 had a chance
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's looking like to build a working Eulora Imma have to do it like Bitcoin-qt and hit delete a lot. This closed source Nvidia CS-toolkit is no bueno
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 04:16:42; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're getting decimated alright, you're just not in a too good position to observe it i guess.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 04:17:19; mircea_popescu: but the beating usg is taking online for the past half decade makes the beating it's been taking on the ground in any military engagement since ww2 look like a piss in the park.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dun think it currently is possible to have an open source graphical anything.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: which is kinda why i was encouraging stuff like "rip off vlc's asciigfx codec and make an emacs eulora client"
mircea_popescu: this basic formula of yours stays vague deliberately, for the obvious reason.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo i dun think it currently is possible to have an open source graphical anything. << Apparently the next .1 iteration of Crystal Space seeks to abolish the cs-toolkit dependency. In the interim I'll chop, maybe finally lean diff, and just perhaps make actual patches to shit.
mircea_popescu: or just do what i do and run a random box for the purpose.
mircea_popescu: i have serious issues taking people named dana seriously.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Boxes are scarce, CPU's are scarce. Imma trying to make St Clair county my bitch while making sure all my computing fits on back for extended periods of time.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo what's a "cutman" << Stops the bleeding in between rounds.
BingoBoingo: Cutman is the only reason fights of interesting length happen
mircea_popescu: "It was just the latest in a string of calloused comments made by UFC's head honcho -- far from the diplomatic dialogue expected of the largest mixed martial arts organization"
mircea_popescu: i do not expect the head of a headbashing federation to be "diplomatic", whatever that weans
mircea_popescu: i certainly don't expect the libertard definition of diplomatic to apply.
mircea_popescu: then they have the gall to mock catholocs for being so-and-so.
BingoBoingo: My understanding is this UFC promotion killed the one way for its participants to get side-money at market rates.
mircea_popescu: "It was an expansive decision on the UFC's part, as the promotion claimed its main interest was to legitimize the sport by removing the tacky, albeit characteristic, fight gear that had become an emblem of the polarizing sport"
mircea_popescu: "The deal was reported to be worth $70 million over six years."
mircea_popescu: According to the released figures, a combatant with less than five fights in the UFC will make $2,500 in sponsorship money per fight
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: how is it that no one has thought of issuing stock for athletes ? << They have only recently advanced to insuring "prospects" but stock will come
mircea_popescu: hey asciilifeform wanna get your head bashed in for 2.5k ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> hey asciilifeform wanna get your head bashed in for 2.5k ? << I would
mircea_popescu: this is what you casually forget, when you keep thinking everyone else's doing so much better than you.
mircea_popescu: you neglect to consider that for most people we discuss, this would be a step up.
gribble: Time since last block: 1 minute and 25 seconds
mircea_popescu: gavin does the clown, for LESS MONEY than what the headbashers get.
☟︎ hanbot: say asciilifeform, can this line from rotor step 6) be devague-ified? "and fill distfiles with tarballs, etc. as before."
mircea_popescu: because it's easier to play the clown, and A LOT more hitchhiker hos line up for it.
BingoBoingo would happily take 2.5 kilodollars to get beat provided a referee exists to call stoppage for tko. USD have been scarce here since misdemeanor thing started
BingoBoingo: Who knows, head may feel better afterwards, would take offer.
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assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 04:51:29; mircea_popescu: gavin does the clown, for LESS MONEY than what the headbashers get.
hanbot: asciilifeform aha i see. ty!
BingoBoingo: Other side effect of recent UFC hullabaloo is fighters no longer get to wear distinctive attire into the ring.
BingoBoingo: Built a brand on neon trunks covered in skulls, but Reebock doesn't think they can market it? FU
mircea_popescu: just drop this "federation" or w/e it's called, start a new one. who gives a shit
mircea_popescu: "oh you made it popular ? fuck you. you got no moat, drop dead".
mircea_popescu: like shit did "ufc" make dudes beating each other popular.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what's next. << Polish Americans without Asiatic features?
phf: gracie jj all over the place, like with karate in the 90s, and roughly as useful
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 00:53:50; nubbins`: as someone who knows far too much about the science of coffee, starbucks is actual shit
BingoBoingo: <phf> gracie jj all over the place, like with karate in the 90s, and roughly as useful << USeful enough for its particular role in the proscribed contest
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some shops here sell already ground coffee.
mircea_popescu: which is weird, but who am i to argue with the smartest people in the world.
hanbot: asciilifeform well fo' sho' when describing steps, be explicit about antecedents, i'll pay off the department of redundancy police department.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 00:56:14; asciilifeform: i don't grasp this, and won't, regardless of how well mircea_popescu explains it. why the fuck would anyone want ritual over the real thing ?
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 00:58:45; nubbins`: second one spent a fuckin hour selling us on the experience of selling our house through her
mircea_popescu: you know that feeling you get when something happens ?
mircea_popescu: yes. like, if you put a dab of icecream on your tongue, or if you open a creaky door, or if you catch a hare running off in the bushline
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 21:32:56; trinque: that sick jew is way hotter than these porcelain doll women
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know it's cocaine. and no, others live for bland.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i dunno, she looks like this clever smart pleasant chick i wouldnt fuck in hs because no accoutrements and too hairy.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: that's all part of the intrigue and mystery.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the dark hair is, yes, less than ideal.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: She is profesional weed toker exploiter
pete_dushenski: silverman's 'the aristrocrats' is second only to bob saget's
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "comedian", shtick mostly consisting of doing the tramp thing
mircea_popescu: which is on some level funny, considering she looks like a 13yo boy escaped from a siberian orphanage, but anyway.
BingoBoingo: Sure, but who will be laughing when Siberia fills with geothermal powered ASICs cooled by geography
mats: once this goes through, i'll be updating the comments with a new revision
pete_dushenski: "Twitter Inc's shares fell more than 11 percent in extended trade on Tuesday after the microblogging company said its number of monthly average users grew at the slowest pace since it went public in 2013."
pete_dushenski: "Twitter said it had 304 million core users in the second quarter, up from 302 million in the prior quarter."
pete_dushenski: of those two million, how many were bots, one wonders.
pete_dushenski: or hey, mebbe 30 mn people left and 32 mn bots were added in last 3 months.
mircea_popescu: moreover, what the fuck does the "market" expect. what growth on 302 mn ?
pete_dushenski: "The company's net loss narrowed to $136.7 million, or 21 cents per share,"
mircea_popescu: "i got a business idea that allows me to get 302 people vaguely interested while i lose 25 cents to the dollar!!1"
pete_dushenski: and unless they figure out how to squeeze juice from rocks, this may be the closes they ever get.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: well 302 would be bad enough, 302 mn really makes you wonder wtf is the matter with the 'business people'
pete_dushenski: "mebbe if we monetise the billion cell phone users in africa at $0.01 and somehow spend less than that, we'll be scrooge mcduck rich!"
mircea_popescu: basically, "paying 302mn people half a dollar each to derp on our site".
pete_dushenski: each of which, in return, pays every last penny of their spare attention.
mircea_popescu: if you live in the world where a click "is worth" 50 cents or whatever inane bs adwords experts powerpoint back and forth, i imagine it's a great deal.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather buy the uht / utf / whatever the fuck fighting thing was called from earlier
pete_dushenski: "Excluding items, Twitter earned 7 cents per share." << where 'items' are 'costs'. but who wants to make a big fuss about those ?
mircea_popescu: the former's not worth the 70 mn either, can have 500 muscle dudes for a lot less than 140k a head.
BingoBoingo: I haven't seen a source yet, but apparently rumours are Twitter hired that Randi Harper chick that Yahoo fired for meth...
pete_dushenski: "In the latest turn in the scandal, known as "Deflategate," Goodell said he affirmed the suspension in part because of the new revelation that Brady made "a deliberate effort" to keep investigators from reading text messages stored on the device." << sports leagues own their player's texts/sexts nao ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21530 @ 0.00052512 = 11.3058 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: NFL unlike UFC has a history of established heirarchy this way.
BingoBoingo: Happens which each team has half of a hundred people on the competative roster
hanbot: asciilifeform / ml folks: from where is one supposed to get the items in "manifest"? eg openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 01:08:09; nubbins`: phun phact, beans are shipped green from source and roasted at destination
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: ya, those nfl teams are enormous, which ties into my earlier comment about that new coach chica having a better shot in american football than anywhere else
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Right. NFL coaches very often never played at NFL level because... head trauma slims that pool.
phf: hanbot: upstream. there's mod6's early state of bitcoin posts that have urls/shasums
hanbot: phf i just realized, heh. thx.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 01:16:12; ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> it's actual swill << every time that i'm up north i can't shake the feeling that's where they ship the tired american brands to finally croak
phf: hanbot: you want message-id CADy547peeZfDJqnuQcq606tEJ_k_nmtBCFe7AYu4UaiOnd9hZQ@mail.gmail.com, UPDATED v0.0.5: Patching The Reference Implementation: A Guide
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I have my doubts baseball will get a female coach anytime soon. Almost all of the coachins stafff is there to go mechanics, and there are skeletal differences. Also every now and then in baseball benches clear to the point managers trade blows
BingoBoingo: Female umpire is perfectly immaginable though
mircea_popescu: oh, "co-ops" don't work because uneconomical ? THEY SHOULD BE MANDATORY
mircea_popescu: oh, our normative ideas about gender dynamics are bs ? SHOULD BE FORCED!!1
mircea_popescu: hey, people laugh at our notions of "earth sciences" ? BUILD CONSENSUS
mircea_popescu: whatever happens they always turn around to forced participation, it's like the baseline of libertard.
mircea_popescu: even fucking obamacare is ultimately the same "our shit dun work make it mandatory" nonsense.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Now female general manager could happen in baseball.
mircea_popescu: anyway, props to slate for managing to repackage the "us can't afford to host olympics, unlike both china and russia, because it sucks" into some sort of "do not want" because "notgood".
BingoBoingo: It's probably both. I mean 2004 olympics didn't kill greece on its own, but was a symptom.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 01:26:16; *: asciilifeform would like to be able to drink a ~decent~ cup of coffee without having to personally import, roast, and grind the beans
mircea_popescu: for one thing, that "vulnerability" had been well known, discussed in public here even, for long before the bip derpage.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 01:31:00; asciilifeform: it IS for EVERYONE in buenos aires
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mircea_popescu: people usually lol at the ridiculous movie depiction of gunfire, but few notice the ridiculousness of gags.
mircea_popescu: seriously, you put a towel over her mouth and she's now silent 4ever ? wd!
BingoBoingo: Sure, just how like actual sex requires genitals, unlike in Hollywood
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62400 @ 0.00054588 = 34.0629 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: libreoffice and gimp are fine. the rest can be done without.
BingoBoingo: Even LibreOffice is a bit much post-graduation
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BingoBoingo glad "runs bitcoin" has overtaken "runs dopewars" as the measure of a decent *nix
pete_dushenski: seems to be an issue with boost or gcc, but i'm not too sure.
pete_dushenski: anyone who's so kind as to offer me assistance, please speak slowly and carefully, as if you were talking to a 10-year-old version of yourself
pete_dushenski: ^was attempted after installing the following : update, upgrade, build-essential, automake, git, libbost-all-dev, pkg-config (the last four of which were installed because that's what i had on my own 'recipe' from 0.9.x install and i recognise that this was quite likely unnecessary)
☟︎ punkman: pete_dushenski: did you put anything in distfiles/ ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Which component wants you to use "jam" instead of "make"
jurov: fatal error: bzlib.h: No such file or directory << seems like original cause
punkman: oic, that stator.sh downloades the distfiles
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Also if you were choosing one shit movie this year... prolly should have chose "Pixels" over "Spy"
jurov: try investigationg boost configure script, if it has libbz2 option and try disabling it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73253 @ 0.00051858 = 37.9875 BTC [-]
punkman: pete_dushenski: check distfiles for a boost .tar.bz2
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: i heard pixel was pretty awful. though 'trainwreck' is supposed to be worth a laugh or two. i'd see it just for 'cheapskate' lebron james lol
punkman: because running the command that downloads boost in stator.sh gives me an html file
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: It got a lot of damning praise, but so far I've made it past the first 15 minutes. Furhter than I made it waith Spy and Spy was not a cam rip.
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00051858 / 0.00053618 / 0.00054996 (990832 shares, 531.27 BTC), 7D: 0.00050102 / 0.00053967 / 0.00059791 (25493380 shares, 13,758.13 BTC), 30D: 0.0003933 / 0.00053439 / 0.00060248 (103682847 shares, 55,407.26 BTC)
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: This flick also features SIGINT ineptness
pete_dushenski: not that this should be in any way surprising. it's a usg feature after all.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: They missed alien messages in Satellite TV shows
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski probably also takes the award for best film credits of the year
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BingoBoingo: fluffypony: How is Africa's foreskin treating you nowadays?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44450 @ 0.00051523 = 22.902 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: I thought your foreskin surrendered the bomb when DeClerk gave it to Israel
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53352 @ 0.00054982 = 29.334 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 04:13:52; mats: deedbot-: dpaste.com/3QCXX90.txt
shinohai: np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3exljh/how_can_i_get_bitcoins_im_14_and_my_parents_dont/ <<<<LOLOL
shinohai: So thats what happened to all my pot brownies.
mircea_popescu: hory shit look at all the damage ddosing trilema hath wrought!!11
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 07:07:01; pete_dushenski: ^was attempted after installing the following : update, upgrade, build-essential, automake, git, libbost-all-dev, pkg-config (the last four of which were installed because that's what i had on my own 'recipe' from 0.9.x install and i recognise that this was quite likely unnecessary)
mircea_popescu: they only had one chain and one pair of shoes in the wardrobe... so they made do.
mircea_popescu: faces come from the fardrobe. very poorly supplied, especialyl for young women.
mircea_popescu: re earlier thread, this is the whole root if not the whole extension of "common human experience" : the indignity of childbirth and the precariousness of pretense.
mike_c: smog is bearable, heat and humidity are not.
mike_c: ;;calc (17 * 9 /5) + 32
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this has been a very bitter and cold winter. imagine, some of the sheargentinians actually had to wear pants!
mircea_popescu: (which, incidentally - they call "tenias". which is everywhere else ... an intestinal parasite)
mircea_popescu: "it remains a bit unclear as to how many people are actually working on this project. Or to be more precise, it is unclear whether or not anyone is still developing Eulora at all."
mike_c: ah, likely some unsee JS magic. anyhoo, it was a pic of my new baby girl.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you want to build it you need a ricketty pile of bs. not sure if actually msvs or what.
mike_c: boy and a girl, and we're done.
mircea_popescu: oh that's right, girly was coming. well... congrats on passing the bar of reproducing yourselves!
mike_c: we've done our part for the species.
mircea_popescu always thought sane names were underrated, happy to see them making a comeback.
mike_c: Yeah, I am a big proponent.
mike_c: that eulora blog post.. to leave a reply you have to be logged in - to his blog. It takes you to /wp-login/
mircea_popescu: you log in to comment same place admin logs in to admin
mircea_popescu: tons of holes in vanilla throughout its sad decade of history, too.
mircea_popescu: 07:09:24 punkman: do you have realpath? << i think we'll end up with this in the topic lmao.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell thestringpuller yo, can i use your thing to send misses_c a box o biscuits now ?
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 12:28:51; jurov: wd mircea_popescu
mod6: ;;later tell pete_dushenski <+punkman> do you have realpath? << Now that you have `realpath` installed, I'd try rebuilding the entire thing again. Thanks for testing!
punkman: mod6, see also my next comment
punkman: curling the sourceforge URL gives me HTML. wget works though.
mircea_popescu: PING archive.is (149.202.33.193) 56(84) bytes of data. 4 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 3003ms
mircea_popescu: (don't mind the 3ms ^C precision - i've yet to make a ping printout do two digit microsecond delays)
kakobrekla: my dns resolves archive.is to 178.79.131.122 instead
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 13:15:22; asciilifeform: ;;later tell lobbes can you please fix ^ ? ty
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 Bundle works for me swimmingly, Debian 7 & 8 + Ubuntu 14.04 (already had packages installed) .
mod6: asciilifeform: if folks want to build obsolete crud, it is their business; but i would like to make sure they know that it is obsolete crud, and that i can either try to somehow support it XOR release new stuff ('rotor' etc) << are you infavor of releasing 'rotor'?
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 180847 @ 0.00052491 = 94.9284 BTC [-]
mod6: having a fully deterministic everything is where we want to be. but I can't even get it to build yet myself. imho; we've got quite some time/work ahead of us on that.
shinohai: I have yet to build successfully on gentoo, BSD, and arm. gentoo because I don't have a system up yet, arm because I'm a retard when it comes to cross-compiling.
mike_c: mod6: any reason not to put your mining maps on the wiki? They look awesome btw.
mike_c: meaning on the wiki, as opposed to link to your site
mod6: thx. mainly as I'm kinda still sorta updating 'em, it's easier to update 'em on my side then to push 'em into the wiki every time.
mod6: but eventually, im sure they'll live/reside in the wiki itself.
mod6: congrats btw mike_c :]
kakobrekla: aha yes congratulations, im sure you will be around even less now
mike_c: I think I actually joined this channel a few months after my first kid was born.
mike_c: Gotta make sure I leave them something better than USD :)
kakobrekla: is that the excuse you use on your wife? :D
mike_c: She is amused by my "bitcoin friends"
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mod6: hi pete_dushenski: yeah, did you see my last comment to you?
mod6: tell pete_dushenski <+punkman> do you have realpath? << Now that you have `realpath` installed, I'd try rebuilding the entire thing again. Thanks for testing!
mod6: so feel free to blow way all the build directories etc.
mod6: start over 100% since now you hvae realpath installed.
pete_dushenski: aha. i misunderstood the 'start from scratch' element. gotcha
mod6: i looked like to me that maybe something worked well after realpath was installed with boost, but maybe something didn't get copied over correctly with openssl.
mod6: so better to start fresh and see. only takes a few minutes anyway.
pete_dushenski: mhm. luck will be needed for when the biological instincts fall flat !
mike_c: It's pretty easy, when it cries change its diaper and feed it.
shinohai: Congrats to the new father, and also to the fathers-to-be!
mod6: are you compiling as yourself or root?
mod6: well, thanks for giving it a try. not sure what's going on there atm.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 14:01:24; mod6: asciilifeform: if folks want to build obsolete crud, it is their business; but i would like to make sure they know that it is obsolete crud, and that i can either try to somehow support it XOR release new stuff ('rotor' etc) << are you infavor of releasing 'rotor'?
ascii_field: and i'm still waiting to learn what was actually going on
mod6: isn't rotor just 'old-stator' (from a few months ago) + buildroot & openssl patch?
ascii_field: mod6: it uses buildroot to generate a gcc and binutils clean of glibc
mod6: i ran into the the same problem as trinque with mine. and you told him 'get a computer'
ascii_field: mod6: were you able to build the toolchain ?
mod6: i built mine on a gentoo/nomultilib/glibc x86-64 host
mod6: my build failed during the BDB build
mod6: other than basically trying it out that one time, i've been pretty hammered with other stuff to finish before month end.
ascii_field: mod6: your bdb and other tarballs in distfiles match the checksums in MANIFEST ?
mod6: wont really revisit until after the 1st.
shinohai: I'm going to try the pogo build with rotor again later this evening. So everyone wish me luck.
mod6: that was all fine and dandy.
ascii_field: mod6: is there a link to the build output in the log ?
ascii_field: i too have been busy with other things, and lost track.
shinohai: I have very little to do all day in my situation, so throw any testing at me and I'll at least try.
phf: is rotor intended for general distribution, that is non-specialist should be able to download and do an independent turnkey build?
ascii_field: phf: i determined, some months ago, that glibc is evil. and decided to abolish it from bitcoin.
mod6: ascii_field: there are a few pastes, it starts here: log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-15#1214475
mod6: probably 20 lines of log to wade throgh
phf: i remember, musl is pretty cool, it's part of the whole suckless movement
☟︎ ascii_field: mod6: unfortunately there is not enough info in this paste to go on
ascii_field: phf: the other purpose of 'rotor' is to have a 100% deterministic build
ascii_field: the only way to have this is for everyone to also build the compiler
mod6: ok, so sometime next week, i'll rebuild again from scratch and paste the full log.
phf: is bitcoind basically a new buildroot package or you're doing shellscripts? (sorry, i've not had a chance to look at rotor yet)
ascii_field: the reason i wrote it this way is that the result is intended to be used on a normal linux box
ascii_field: (rather than a linux produced by buildroot)
shinohai: reddit wants to know when the windows release will be ready xD
phf: qemu with buildroot.img packed into binary -> bitcoind.exe :]
shinohai: the irc cloud has apparently evaporated
assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 11:50:54; mircea_popescu: cazalla nah it's just, as the gulf between society and government widens, the ability of society to maintain social order decays. people start taking it upon themselves to provide for their own security, the most vulnerable groups (foreign language speaking, poor immigrants) overstot, which induces negative reactions in the public,
ascii_field: '“We have got to identify the people who are most likely to be radicalized,” he continued. “We’ve got to cut this off at the beginning. I do think on a national policy level we need to look at what self-radicalization means because we are at war with this group of terrorists.”' << win
assbot: Wesley Clark: “Disloyal Americans” should be tossed in internment camps for the “duration” of the war on terror - Salon.com ... (
http://bit.ly/1KyI2hn )
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 13:15:45; asciilifeform: we discussed this! there is no reason for one of these links to ever appear twice.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 13:30:22; jurov: phirephox
ascii_field: jurov: be so kind as to post a screenshot of whatever that thing was ?
jurov: it shows mouseover text only for one dot at a time
trinque: mats: time for me to switch deedbot- to the next tank :)
mats: kay, if you'd get that paste i've been trying to jam in there, that'd be great
mats: is it out of coins or wut?
mats: i think i put three or more duplicates in there in the last two days, feel free to delete em
trinque: the unconfirmed one should be the one you're waiting on
trinque: it'll upload to the site shortly
gabriel_laddel: 04:49:25 mircea_popescu: they should have held out for 55 billion. << lol
ascii_field: trinque: the one linked earlier, has a qntra news feed
trinque: in-wot jobs board isn't that bad an idea, really
trinque: could just deedbot your resume and announce here, though
ascii_field: 'Powered by BitRecruiter Written in pyth by Azelphur'
Azelphur: Please note that I am a programmer and did not write any of the content
williamdunne: ascii_field: Programming (C#, Java, can learn other things), banking relationships, web development. Really anything that can get me a few bob each month
williamdunne: For the right job with additional incentives aside from salary I'd work sub-minimum
trinque: this notion that it's even possible to ban a mathematical formula is insane.
☟︎ trinque: dunno that there's a better measure of american hubris than that.
ascii_field: trinque: as i understand, the story isn't about '90s-style bans, but smoke to distract from the fact the 'smartPnohe' etc. is thoroughly pwned and usg-controlled on every level, 'crypted' or not
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00054883 = 18.1663 BTC [+]
shinohai: Easiest way to spy on your citizens is to put a device in every household they can't resist.
trinque: that's what I call my android phone
trinque: I don't know that even Mr. Huxley would've ever dreamt you'd carry the thing around with you.
trinque: ah I'm sorry, you're right.
ascii_field: huxley was optimist! his phyootoor had endless dope and all-day-long fuck for everyone
phf: huxley is the one who predicted that you would carry such a device and you would love it
trinque: still waiting on that soma
decimation: ^ apparently in some places 'rule of law' kinda applies to cops
trinque: a) hilarious, good luck kid, and b) great excuse for russia to do whatever the hell it wants next
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Programming preferred, but anything that pays and I'm capable of, which I'd like to imagine is a fairly wide range of things
mircea_popescu: come to argentina start a black market dollar trading empire.
mircea_popescu: the locals are broadly speaking too retarded to qualify as frogs.
williamdunne: I lack capital, but conceptualized a service that could handle such things
williamdunne: (Friend is working on something similar for India/Brazil)
mircea_popescu: forget "service" dood. stop trying to abstract your ass from the fucking, that's not how it works.
mircea_popescu: that's what the local derps are daydreaming too, "services" and "platforms" and their mother's wide cunts.
phf: hypothetically speaking how does a black market dollar trading works? bring cash past border control, sell to locals at margin?
mircea_popescu: phf buy and sell from locals, organise couriers to keep bringing bills in to help me bring down the fucktarded slow motion socialism they call "peroniosm" here
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: how does bringing green pieces of paper from up north help bring down anyone ?
mircea_popescu: whole shebang's got maaaaaybe a coupla years left of "podremos vivir mejor" and "victoria es tener un trabajo y non necesitar un secundo" left in it.
williamdunne: What is the primary method of getting Argentinian toilet paper back into dollars?
mircea_popescu: you wait for a coupla years, then buy the pick of the crop of the current 12 yo women and sell them to brunei.
ascii_field: i mean, when i visited i traded mircea_popescu a bit of usd for coin. how did he use them to put a small hole in 'peronism' ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the less control over the currency the soi-dissant state enjoys, the closer it gets to its pissant destiny.
punkman: mircea_popescu: how much USD can one bring when entering .ar ?
mircea_popescu: and ~currency~ means something specific. the ~current~ medium of exchange.
ascii_field: 10k is the traditional legal limit usa-side
punkman: around 10k euros around europe too
mircea_popescu: some people bring half mil to a mil, but then you run the risk of having to maybe shoot the dummies.
punkman: are there euros in .ar black market?
ascii_field: if the $mil fits in your pocket, you probably won't have to shoot anyone
punkman: if they catch you with half-a-mil do they just confiscate?
mircea_popescu: "if you give that nimrod fifteen hundred dollars i'll shoot him on general principle."
ascii_field: probably safer to have this bad outside, vs inside of usa!
mircea_popescu: anyway. bring some friends, the hos you can't do without, some money and i guess handguns if you don't care for the chinese half-and-half crap.
ascii_field: incidentally, i've wondered when u.s. folks travelling with cash usd will learn about thermite as countermeasure to 'confiscator'
ascii_field: instruction, iirc, was '1) hit red button 2) open fire'
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: game-theoretical instrument
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: cools the ardour of the enemy, cheaply
thestringpuller: <mircea_popescu> yo, can i use your thing to send misses_c a box o biscuits now ? << we do cookies...
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i don't think you understand what the word "stupid" means.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: cow is stupid. still learns to avoid the barbed wire
phf: mircea_popescu: so the idea is to basically work as exchange, but with black market rate premium, whatever it is 30-40%, and a wider buy vs sell spread?
mircea_popescu: phf the idea is to basically work as an exchange, yes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33158 @ 0.00052485 = 17.403 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: dollar trades 13.8-14.2 atm, "officially" at 8.whatever, in the sense that if you're a farmer and you sell soy, you're going to be paid for the dollars you bring in at that rate.
mircea_popescu: govt is essentially running a 60% arbitrage on the last remaining productive leg of the place, which is fucking soy farming.
mircea_popescu: anyway. there's no shortage of work to be had here. and i mean serious work.
mircea_popescu: lol wait, gmaxwell and mike hearn bitching at each other on reddit as to who should go do an altcoin ?
mircea_popescu: Last week, Retired General Wesley Clark, who was NATO commander during the US bombing of Serbia, proposed that “disloyal Americans” be sent to internment camps for the “duration of the conflict.”
mircea_popescu: check it out ascii_field, everything's rosy over at nigger house! they're so happy with the way shit's going they're gonna buy everyone a round!
ascii_field somehow found himself implementing an ip stack
jurov: ascii_field: do you have a terminal emulator stashed anywhere?
jurov: everything i can find is married to gtk
ascii_field: the only other one i've used in the past decade was 'minicom'
ascii_field: i literally can't recall any other than these 3.
ascii_field: (at one point i owned an actual 'glass tty' ibm terminal, but parents threw it out)
jurov: ithings just came down into adding terminal emulator to eulora and i'm weighing down the options
jurov: i'm blissfully unaware of quake
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10542 @ 0.00052485 = 5.533 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83700 @ 0.00052629 = 44.0505 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 15:35:31; *: shinohai likes children but values his sanity.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 15:55:28; phf: i remember, musl is pretty cool, it's part of the whole suckless movement
jurov: musl is alternative libc
shinohai: I guess I was unwittingly a poet today.
ascii_field: not, afaik, affiliated with the musl folks in any direct sense
shinohai: I was just about to respond to the pic mircea_popescu posted. Such sanctimonious horseshit makes me sick.
shinohai: Raw fucking potato indeed, what is this Latvia?
mircea_popescu: This time it’ll be a conference for invited participants only.
mircea_popescu: "We believe this should become the mainstream philosophy in the IT sector." << it IS the mainsteam philosophy. just a bunch of barnacles hanging on.
phf: systemd was really the last nail in the coffin, this stuff was going on for a while, like freedesktop.org which is a open standards body (?) for all the retardation that came out of kde/gnome and "linux on desktop"
mircea_popescu: phf "you may have your thing revolutionize the world provided you agree to make it not change anything".
mircea_popescu: anyway. spolsky's making a mess of things. what a dumb article.
phf: of what i saw jwz wrote some tight no nonsense code, i think it's an unfair characterization of him. i guess things are seen different from microsoft mgmt perch
ascii_field: jwz took a big, fat shit into the software ecosystem
ascii_field: in my mind he represents the sv idiot culture
phf: mircea_popescu: in the duct tape programmer spolsky used jamie zawinski, jwz, as his main example, and i think it's an odd, backhanded characterization, that's mainly there to drive a point about something that spolsky imagined
mircea_popescu: you are actually both right and apparently well informed.
jurov: re: suckless actually 'dvtm' terminal emulator may be what i asked for
trinque: ah suckless... I ran dwm for quite a long time
mircea_popescu: "When asked why he jumped into the window by investigators, Nordman responded, “[to] make the driver stop the car. He didn’t seem like he was gonna… tak[e] me seriously enough – me being outside the car and telling him to stop – so I figured I’d get inside and make him stop.”"
mircea_popescu: ahh, the primary driver of usg agent behaviour - that ever present gnawing fear at the back of the skull that who knows, maybe someone somewhere is laughing at them
jurov: i have even found an opengl term that's supposed to rotate char at cursor :D but from 2002
jurov: but reasonably recent and not bloated things are hard apparently
mircea_popescu: "Nordman and Heron have been cleared of all criminal wrongdoing in the incident and have received no disciplinary action from the department despite an internal review."
gernika: ascii_field is there a summary of sv idiot culture somewhere that enumerates the major flaws? My own experience of it is that it is sort of a fraud culture in which fraud "prototypes" are developed to be sold to google/facebook/apple for marketing purposes.
ascii_field: gernika: ultimately it is a set of pigs competing for trough of the u.s. fed arse-mouth-system printing usd to buy stocks with
mircea_popescu: or is that only if you bother some random anon faggot ?
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 18:11:58; trinque: this notion that it's even possible to ban a mathematical formula is insane.
mircea_popescu: every "ban" comes from the same happy place of insanity.
gernika: Seems like the fraud model took over in the 90s and resulted in the first bust.
phf: ascii_field: was talking purely about his programming style. he writes like an oldfag without "paradigms", focused
mircea_popescu: "I would like Ukraine to lead the crusades," said Korchynsky, whose battalion's name is Saint Mary. "Our mission is not only to kick out the occupiers, but also revenge. Moscow must burn."
mircea_popescu: "No political force should have, and will not have, any kind of armed cells. No political organization has the right to establish ... criminal groups," Poroshenko said on July 13.
jurov: punkman the problem is, i need it to draw on opengl canvas
jurov: yes it is posible to place it as fixed X child window but then it's forever limited to linux/X
jurov: i don't reject that altogether, will see how it goes
jurov: oh i did not mean so lowlevel, there are already text primitives provided
mircea_popescu: jurov no but i mean... read say diana's code, she's usiong native functions to output text in a window
jurov: yes but it's "dumb terminal"
mircea_popescu: let cs handle the canvas bs for you is by far the best idea. and only toucvh the radioactive pile of crap it is via the client api for oyur own safety.
jurov: phf that's the ancient thing with rotating letter i mentioned
jurov: it can't even get pty properly
jurov is sad to label 2002 stuff as ancient
jurov: phf: that may have worked if eulora used wxwidgets from cs
jurov: but it does some "paws" homebrew stuff without py bindings
jurov: btw, i naively created swig py bindings just for network messages, .py and .cxx it came out several MB
jurov: and i had to comment out structs nested inside classes
jurov: it eventually compliled, did not dare to try it yet
jurov: as it was said earlier when boost was discussed, either it gets used or some crappy homebrew replacement
jurov: CS does the latter
diana_coman: cs pretty much insists on replacing everything for some reason
phf: well, no, the approach would be to implement necessary drawing primitives on top of existing console in eulora (they are probably already there, just need to be catalogued), expose those primitives via python interface, and then hook the primitives into pyte's rendering callbacks. wxwidgets are not involved anywhere
punkman: what's the purpose of this anyway?
jurov: phf, python will be for things that are likely to change, players scripting actions
jurov: i am not passing output and esp. keyboard/mouse input through that just to draw terminal emulator
jurov: dvtm is few concise 3kloc C files that know how to manage MxN text matrix+attributes
jurov: btw williamdunne everyone is hating on eulora that it does not have official website, you're welcome to put together one
jurov: and get paid in quality bits of nothing ;D
shinohai: "get paid in quality bits of nothing" <<< Dogecoin ?
jurov: lol no it's real eulora item
jurov: he's just a bit awkward with camera
shinohai: Seems like everyone here plays this game but me. :/
shinohai: I absolutely suck at gaming. The last thing I played and enjoyed was probably Mario Kart.
diana_coman: ha ha, you never know until you try it though
jurov: please don't, eulora is a plot to sabotage the foundation efforts
shinohai: Besides tetris, which I can play inside my irc client.
diana_coman: ah wow, haven't played that in some years, hmmmm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00054899 = 11.968 BTC [+] {3}
williamdunne: jurov: How convertible are bits of nothing, and how many bits of nothing would it be worth? For personal reasons need some liquid money in my life
mod6: jurov: lol, awkward?
jurov: mod6 all shots are from behind
mod6: i play in 3rd person follow
jurov: williamdunne it's not paid per contract, just classical la serenissima voluntary debt
jurov: mircea_popescu will arrange 20 virgins for you when you die or some such
mircea_popescu: she's the queen of whimsy nao, we all gotta bow to her for samovar goodness.
jurov: guess she has no use for virgins posthumously :D
jurov: but seriously, eulora's economy is several BTC worth by now
jurov: i got bitcents worth of nifty items, too, for free (and overpaid for others.. that's life)
punkman: what would some starter mining/crafting tools cost me?
punkman: too bad I lost the bezzlebag :/
jurov: you can mine barehanded
diana_coman: punkman you can even mine with your hands for that matter, so for free
mircea_popescu: punkman you can mine for free, ill give you some bits of nothing for your tinies for free also.
diana_coman: and bits of nothing are like 11-12 satoshi or you'll prolly get some for free from someone (me even)
mircea_popescu: you can buy thread for your smalls, i sell high q stuff at ~430 each
mircea_popescu: but prolly best off selling your smal claims to a higher mienr for cash or a cut or w/e
trinque: williamdunne: iirc gabriel_laddel had common lisp work
assbot: The best Obamacare-makes-healthcare-affordable story you ever heard. Also, survivalism. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
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mircea_popescu: <jurov> phf: that may have worked if eulora used wxwidgets from cs << rewriting it on wxwidgets not illegal ftr.
hanbot: achtung noobkart. stator's distfiles manifest lists a boost bz2, ml67 pulls in gz. bz2 from sourceforge doesn't match manifest's sha512sum, where is correct bz2 located?
trinque: I can put my copies of the distfiles on deedbot.org
mircea_popescu: she had me at achtung noobkart. sort-of like you know, armored ?
hanbot: trinque ya but said ml67 pulls in from sourceforge, whaddamigonnado. deedbot would be great
hanbot: mircea_popescu with trumpets flatulant
trinque: db and openssl are also there
hanbot: thanks tringue. still doesn't match sha512sum however (boost)
hanbot: i'd assume i'm doing something horribly backwards except that db and openssl check out.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 22:09:21; *: mircea_popescu waves at lobbesbot
shinohai: @ hanbot I had same boost issues, had to roll my own
pete_dushenski: which, if it's acting up, isn't much of a cv, mr. dunne !
assbot: Watch Bryan Caplan and EconLog get their heads stuck in the sand. Like really, incredibly stuck. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
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hanbot: shinohai i noticed in logs, yeah. so asciilifeform , when you're around: where oh where is stator's boost bz2 from?
mod6: hanbot: prior to stator we used .tar.gz on boost, not sure why alf started using .bz2 at that point.
hanbot: mod6 interesting. anyway i want to see what he sez.
shinohai: I didn't know you could value yelp! in negatves
pete_dushenski: let this be a lesson to 'i just want to make a service' kids
pete_dushenski: yelp market cap now 1.87 bn and is down 70% this year. wd sv !
☟︎ trinque: what's the shasum you have
trinque: as far as I can tell their business model is extortion
trinque: $ sha512sum boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2
trinque: fc512d3bfa6a39a60fee548775c97239271cf757587b8df7ed739c800844a819a359dca172be0e69ad7752753753139bf11f0813d650066d58386662fe32842d boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2
trinque: that's what I have in my stator manifest
mod6: fc512d3bfa6a39a60fee548775c97239271cf757587b8df7ed739c800844a819a359dca172be0e69ad7752753753139bf11f0813d650066d58386662fe32842d distfiles/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2
mod6: i get the same thing on mine -- the (bitcoin-v0_5_4-TEST1.tar.gz has a script that pulls that one via curl command):
mod6: curl -L "$boost/1.52.0/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2" -s -o distfiles/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24299 @ 0.00051492 = 12.512 BTC [-]
mod6: and this is what all of my older v0.5.3.1 builds have pulled down for the .tar.gz:
mod6: 8de651beb9a48f91f8a797f44966b8f25c3351d6893c1d79969aeb2ded3adeaf8fc14aa9b8a4410081dde9ef155330b41a4982a62b55adde40bb73f0066c74a2 distfiles/boost_1_52_0.tar.gz
punkman: mod6: above curl command doesn't work for me
mod6: did you enter the line above it first?
mod6: i put this in the stator.sh script. it pulls them down, have tried on 3 different environments of my own, and independantly verified 2x otherwise.
mod6: anyway, this is all gonna change.
mod6: punkman: did you try the line above it first? the first line: boost="
http://sourceforge.net/projects/boost/files/boost" << sets a environment variable. is required for the second part to work: curl -L "$boost/1.52.0/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2" -s -o distfiles/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2
mod6: anyway, that has nothing to do with anything
punkman: mod6, yeah it worked now, but got html more than once
mod6: because alf's original stator doens't have that in there.
mod6: he expects everyone to pull down their own bundles.
mod6: The Foundation isn't going to ship these builds scripts any more. We're just going to ship source code for bitcoin.
☟︎ mod6: How one builds the source is entire up to the user. There may be preferred way so of doing this, such as 'rotor' and so forth. And we'll participate in creating cookbooks and guides on how to do this. But we no longer are going to fight through these environment problems.
☟︎☟︎ punkman: just host the dependencis on therealbitcoin.org
mod6: Only in some sort of catestrophic circumstance will we do such a thing.
mod6: Like sourceforge goes away, or OpenSSL gets a million pound shit dropped on its head.
trinque: mod6: I think that's wise, actually.
mod6: Trying to create a one-size-fits-all script for everyone to use to build this thing is not going to work. And how does one bundle up something such as 'rotor' and end up not maintaining buildroot and everything else? That's a game that I'm not interested in playing. And it's dangerous for us to go that direction.
☟︎ mod6: We're gonna do what we do, deliver bitcoin source code.
mod6: The rest is all secondary.
mod6: And truly none of our business.
mod6: If asciilifeform needs a fully deterministic static bitcoind for his use, then sure, he can use whatever means he needs to achieve that.
mod6: And if someone wants to run a dynamically linked version? Who are we to tell them 'no'?
mod6: That all being said, I'm super glad that 'rotor' is out there now, and I hope to learn and use it one day myself. Maybe even this week! But that shouldn't be something that we deliver.
mod6: That should be something that you use for what we deliver.
trinque: its clearly a separate concern from the source itself, aside from which roof it is under.
shinohai: I like everything except this goddamned pogo. If I had gasoline in the house I'd set it afire this very moment.
mod6 takes away shinohai's matches
shinohai: I'm a smoker, I have tons of lighters. :D
trinque: dude, there's a lot of talent in the suckless wot
BingoBoingo: trinque: Linked from that sta.li page you posted
trinque: oh shit it uses a unionfs for packages!
trinque: I'm curious why these guys don't seem to have considered using openbsd as a basis
trinque: given their expressed love of simplicity
trinque: the linux kernel is the biggest wad of complexity in... linux
trinque: seems most of their stuff would run happily atop it
hanbot: trinque my sha512sum was of old, stale item. refreshed, matches, tyvm.
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