⏐︎ 16707
asciilifeform invites everyone still awake to read patch, see if 'chef chopped the wrong carrot'
jurov: i am inclined to suspect boost expands __line__ somewhere
asciilifeform: boost needs to burn in hell.
mod6: yeah, im havin the same problem.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00073968 = 3.5505 BTC [+]
mod6: http://dpaste.com/1Q2VHWT
assbot: dpaste: 1Q2VHWT
asciilifeform: mod6: able to build original ?
mod6: this is a good point. lemme see.
asciilifeform predicts 'no'
jurov: boost-1.52.0-r7 here
asciilifeform: build with 'period' libs
asciilifeform: or all bets off
mod6: asciilifeform predicts 'no' << correct.
mod6: anyway, same error.
asciilifeform: first - build original.
asciilifeform: then - hunt gremlins.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ideas for what, if anything, to do to checkpoints?
jurov: gotta go, tmrw waking early and afk most of the day
asciilifeform: goodnight jurov
jurov: 'night!
ben_vulpes: http://www.funker530.com/jihadist-attacks-nypd-officers-with-axe-shot-dead/
assbot: FUNKER530 » Military Videos And Veteran Community With Army, Navy, Air Force News. » Jihadist Attacks NYPD Officers With Axe, Shot Dead
asciilifeform: lol, they took the carcass away in a police car ?!
asciilifeform: (traditionally in usa it is done by an ambulance)
ben_vulpes: where are you reading that?
asciilifeform: nowhere. watched the film clip
asciilifeform: from above link.
ben_vulpes: ah, no bw here.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: tried building the turd from earlier?
mod6: i think he bounced.
mod6: im gonna give it a shot with some older libs
mod6: ok built.
mod6: now will 'clean' and apply patches
mod6: ok, built with patch, np: http://dpaste.com/080PFXN
assbot: dpaste: 080PFXN
asciilifeform: congrats mod6
mod6: hehe forgot that the host i'm on is new. needed the libs that ben_vulpes listed in his script.
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asciilifeform hopes that folks have the sense to think about the merits of the approach, rather than simply start doing it
mircea_popescu: PeterL what' scoopbot do ?
cazalla: qntra down
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: ideas for what, if anything, to do to checkpoints? << you mean blockchain checkpoints ?
asciilifeform: them
mircea_popescu: user-configurable only, set to default = rnd
asciilifeform: as in the seed nodes
asciilifeform only really hot and bothered for one patch (beyond all the chopping) - split off private key operations to $redacted machine connected via optoisolator.
PeterL: mircea_popescu: scoopbot is a replacement for penguiker
mircea_popescu: ah right.
PeterL: I think it is almost ready, just testing it right now
asciilifeform: ^ if anyone has above patch please share...
asciilifeform: doscoin.
mircea_popescu: "A lot of people follow their own faiths. Most were indoctrinated since birth. That makes it very easy to believe the dogma. Yet, how in anybody’s right mind could they, as an adult, suddenly be told that the magic man in the sky says you need to start wearing a dress (even though you’re a dude), put your face on the ground five times a day and pray, and oh yeah, kill all the non-believers? Not happening to anybody
mircea_popescu: that’s anywhere near sane. These sick dirt-bags had wires twisted in their heads, and they were frustrated, but they weren’t Muslims."
mircea_popescu: the logics in here are fabulous.
mircea_popescu: totally, how could a dude wear a dress!!1
mircea_popescu: i think agent indignant cracked this case wide open.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, qntra being dossed? it's up and down
mircea_popescu: cazalla yup.
mircea_popescu: punkman bot ? :D
mircea_popescu: PeterL "Then in 10 months there will be 1`000`000 shares and the share number will be inflating at, if the paper makes 0.1 btc profit that month and the shares trade at 10 P/E, then the price will be 0.000012 per share. " << something missing in there ?
PeterL: what did I miss?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, needs somethin after and ?
mircea_popescu: at*
mircea_popescu: doesn't gramatically parse
PeterL: ah, I see it now, there should be a number between the at and comma, 1% per month?
mircea_popescu: ah yea
mircea_popescu: course i think the most interesting thing in there will be the nonlinear effects due to the numerous feedback loops.
PeterL: other than that, does the analysis make sense?
mircea_popescu: for instance : the more popular/relevant/powerful it becomes, the more likely it is to attract share buyers, authors and income. all three.
mircea_popescu: but two work one way, the third the other way
mircea_popescu: it does yes.
PeterL: feedback loops make it hard to get a good number for the future
mircea_popescu: anyway, i think as designed this share price is eminently modelable, to great modelling benefits
mircea_popescu: will obviously be a lot more interesting to work on a history than trying nude predictions
PeterL: designed or not designed?
mircea_popescu: hm ?
PeterL: did they design the price or just leave out design and let it fall where it may?
mircea_popescu: the share is designed so as to work an interesting way.
mircea_popescu: because the contract is written that way
decimation: asciilifeform: is that a picture of stierlitz in the upper right of the anti-soviet-portrayals-of-hollywood image you linked? if so, hilarious
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/canadian-vpn-provider-surfeasy-team-up-with-bitpay/
mircea_popescu: dude wtf is it systemv or systemd
mircea_popescu: !s systemv
assbot: 4 results for 'systemv' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=systemv
mircea_popescu: !s systemd
assbot: 115 results for 'systemd' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=systemd
mircea_popescu: holy shit i surrepetitiously renamed it.
mircea_popescu: nuts.
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decimation: asciilifeform: json rpc api: out!
mike_c: PeterL: did you see my take on it?
PeterL: yes, it looked good
mike_c: i think we ended up in the same ballpark
PeterL: as close as one could expect
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: system v is a classical unix
asciilifeform: ;;google unix system v
gribble: UNIX System V - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNIX_System_V>; The UNIX System -- History and Timeline -- UNIX History: <http://www.unix.org/what_is_unix/history_timeline.html>; What are System V Unix and SVR4?: <https://kb.iu.edu/d/agjs>
asciilifeform: decimation: stierlitz << looks quite like it. that was my thought.
asciilifeform: decimation: not so easy to rip out of 0.5.3. see log.
asciilifeform: will have to be done, though.
asciilifeform must note that there is only so much turdsmithing he is willing to do without a good reason.
decimation: asciilifeform: it would be interesting to run turd through valgrind
asciilifeform: whatchawaitingfor
decimation: that guy who inspected the toyota embedded computer had a whole lecture on code coverage/testing/complexity tools
asciilifeform: i always hated the emphasis on those
asciilifeform: because the only genuinely curative pill is: fits-in-head.
decimation: yeah, I agree, like you need a computer that tells you what fits in your head
decimation: I like the templeos guy, he has a fixed number of lines of code for his project, and wants to make it smaller
asciilifeform is actually rather sure that 'boost' itself leaks.
decimation: asciilifeform: I have more 'learned helplessness' w.r.t. programming that drives me nuts: 'don't use goto'
decimation: the other day I was testing a pile of python code that was driving hardware, and I wanted to just skip X lines
decimation: can't do it, 'because bad'
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: tried building the turd from earlier? << got started, ran out of bandwidth in dive bar
ben_vulpes: moving slowly, endeavoring to grok and verify each and every stemp.
ben_vulpes: step*
ben_vulpes: but -- friday night, now stealing time away from familial sabbath drinking party to irc
mircea_popescu: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
decimation: apparently our ddosing friend is also busy
mircea_popescu: !up duduqa
mircea_popescu: get in the wot, eh.
TheNewDeal: Mp whats it called when you double your bet in a 50/50 game, every time, until you win (or lose a large sum)
kakobrekla: martingale
mircea_popescu: ^
PeterL: lets you win a tiny amount or lose it all
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2014/10/cryptsy-and-shavers-sued-by-victims/ << pirate investors eh.
assbot: Cryptsy and Shavers Sued by Victims | Qntra.net
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: system v is a classical unix <<< i know. apparently somethign shorted in my brain
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform is actually rather sure that 'boost' itself leaks. << oh shit you know what that's prolly it.
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decimation: did anyone get asciilifeform's no-crud manifest to check?
asciilifeform: find . -xtype f -print0 | xargs -0 sha256sum > ../bitcoin-0.5.3.sha256.manifest
asciilifeform: while in src dir
asciilifeform: i suppose i should've thrown that in there.
asciilifeform: ah well.
asciilifeform: ^ crud manifest. for no-crud, similar
decimation: I was using sha256sum -c
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mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/vCiDF8DS << classic syn flood.
assbot: netstat -a Active Internet connections (servers and established) Proto Recv-Q - Pastebin.com
cazalla: getting hit with xrumer type comment spam too since around time dos started
mircea_popescu: xruner lol
mircea_popescu: that shit still exists ?!
asciilifeform: 'Hey, I have been looking to buy xrunner but can't find it. I have tried spelling it different ways. Anyone able to direct me?' --- first 'google' hit
asciilifeform: lulz
mircea_popescu: nuts
mircea_popescu: tcp 0 0 www.fraudalertservice:38410 SYN_RECV << all sorts of lulz like that.
asciilifeform: amazing company.
decimation: lol << usg
asciilifeform: no chumpnet without a few of those can be considered complete.
mod6: so slashing out rpc coudln't have possibly been that easy. but it compiled and ran fine, it seems, just no way to get info without re-adding these options as command line args. that might take some time.
mod6: anyway, not that i'm gonna keep going that direction for now, just wanted to kinda poke around and see a bit.
asciilifeform: mod6: check out what the command line cmds actually do in 0.5.3
asciilifeform: mod6: you've created a deafmute bitcoind
mod6: they're all rpc args it looks like
asciilifeform: correct
mod6: yeah, call it hellen keller
asciilifeform: mod6: when shitgnomes glue their crap on, they use paste with broken glass. ☟︎
asciilifeform: can't just gently peel it off.
mod6: well, i guess she was blind or whatever, so lol
asciilifeform: or it would've been peeled off long ago.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mod6 actually, could it be made to work so as to simply spit specified streams as it runs ?
mod6: yeah, it seems that way ascii
mircea_popescu: start it with particular switches depending on what you want it to spit out
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is it gonna transmit tx via polling too? lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how you mean ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform mod6 actually, could it be made to work so as to simply spit specified streams as it runs ? << not 100% positive but it seems that some of the debug stuff almost does that when turned on fully.
asciilifeform: well, presumably you may occasionally want to transmit a tx
mod6: but.. we'll figure something out, yeah
asciilifeform: or generate an addr
asciilifeform: the correct solution is that (now unix-only) turdcoind will listen on a tty. serial tty. ☟︎
mod6: int ret = CommandLineRPC(argc, argv); << lollertron
asciilifeform: (nonblocking fopen)
decimation: ^^ agreed
mod6: i forgot how obnoxious some of this code was.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so make it work like top basically ?
asciilifeform trying to remember why he was even doing this
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu aye
mod6: i think i just tried to put it out of my mind.
mircea_popescu: this may be an idea ctually.
mircea_popescu: mod6 it's nightmare fuel with a side dish of fridge logic.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you gonna meld pinentry in there too ?
asciilifeform: pinentry?
asciilifeform: for privkey decrypt?
mircea_popescu: well, for everything you do.
asciilifeform: why? that belong on the other side of optoisolator
asciilifeform: where tx is baked
mircea_popescu: so actually make it a two machine thing ?
asciilifeform: aye
asciilifeform: if doing this, why not do correctly
mircea_popescu: fucking open source mpex, what is this.
asciilifeform: and no need for bdb, boost, turdolate on other box
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu won't give us his soviet calculator proggy, dooming us to rewrite it
mircea_popescu hires some lobbysts to sit on the standards group and prevent this evil.
mod6: yeah, but personally, i wanna start simple. and then work our way up to major changes.
mod6: if do slash and burn first, we're gonna have unforseen issues
mod6: and noone wants that
asciilifeform: slash&burn first is more or less what we're doing
asciilifeform: (assuming we're doing something)
decimation: slash and burn makes for more readable code
asciilifeform hasn't done particularly much something
asciilifeform just wanted a goddamned book he could take to the forest and go Hmmm with
mircea_popescu: that's how troubles start.
mod6: eh, yeah, these things are all great ideas. and necessary. but i think the best course of action is to get something up and working as a baseline with the most minimal changes possible so we have something to run when derpistan puts in the hardfork
mircea_popescu: no but seriously, and somewhat from experience : while the serial thing is a solid design, i suspect it's also a bridge too far
mircea_popescu: prolly a better idea to keep things sane and incrementally improve ?
mod6: that's plausibly only 8 weeks out. and we'd better have something to run by then. i don't wanna be chasing crazy changes down when we could have just gotten something simple running first.
asciilifeform oils gachette of slash&burn blaster
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> prolly a better idea to keep things sane and incrementally improve ? << this is the way it must be done. even though slash and burn feels so damn good.
mircea_popescu: mod6 it's not happening, at all. but that notwithstanding, you do have a solid point, as a general thing. and 8 weeks is certainly narrower a frame than anything usgavin&co can do.
mod6: understood. i worry about these jokers.
mircea_popescu: they're much less apt than they pretend to be. but that aside : ineptitude of the enemy is no excuse to derp.
mircea_popescu: these are all valuable changes. just, i'm persuaded by your smaller steps approach.
mircea_popescu: theoretical conflict of interest or no.
asciilifeform: doesn't get any smaller or simpler than scuttling the obvious crud.
asciilifeform: i gave example.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well the discussion is if the json-rpc part is in the obvious crud or in the eventual crud group
mod6: and it's a great example. but it makes me nervous. cutting out stuff like that in something as poorly written as this is just ... frightning.
asciilifeform: json parser - crap
asciilifeform: here's some unambiguous crap - ssl
mod6: who knows what effects can be seen.... and sure, i could spend 3 months with gdb just trying to chase stuff down. this is going to be a methodical process of eradication.
asciilifeform: (not the ecdsa calls - well, them too, ought to be redone - but the https idiocy. needs to go.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how about this for a principle : step 1, take all the stuff that can be taken out without therefore forcing different stuff being put in ; step 2 take out the stuff that needs replacement, sorted by the complexity of the needed replacement, ascending.
asciilifeform: that was my suggestion
asciilifeform: from the start
mod6: you have some great ideas about changes that need to be made. and I really do think we'll get to doing them. bitcoin will be better for it.
mircea_popescu: that means the json crap stays for now doesn't it ?
asciilifeform: yes
asciilifeform: notice i left it in
mircea_popescu: yeah.
asciilifeform: first - the skin warts. then the tumours.
mod6: see, im of the opinion that we don't cut out anything. first we add.
asciilifeform: add what ?
mircea_popescu: i'm the first to say that the only practicable way to run this is as a two machine, serial connected thing, so that's not changing.
mod6: we add patches from stuff up to 6.3
mircea_popescu: oh he has a point. step 0 : merge the stuff that's acxtually useful in.
asciilifeform: like what ?
mod6: then once we have our baseline... something that can be used, and we can feel pretty good about with not years worth of testing, then we start to implement these major changes. then we see the UI go away from core, the rpc commands, etc.
mircea_popescu: even if it's the void set, still step 0.
mod6: we've dealt with it for 5 years, what's another 3-6 months?
asciilifeform bored, wanders off to pet pet
mircea_popescu has serious trouble thinking people have actually used the stock braindamage for more than a few month before branching it off
mod6: :(
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mircea_popescu: which is by now becoming a major problem in waiting, because under the hollow pretense of the power rangers, the codebase is actually fractured to all shit.
mod6: yeah, i think you're right that any place that actually gives a shit about the bitcoind they run, probably made their own changes immediately.
mod6: my philosophy on this project is: first, do no harm.
mod6: get us to a point where we can feel good about just what we're starting with.
mod6: once there, then start to schedule in the amputations.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> even if it's the void set, still step 0. << so this totally could be a void set. but we'll certainly look at what changes are in here post v0.5.3->6.3 just to ensure that we don't miss anything (http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/20_a-summary-of-changes-to-bitcoin-since-0321.html)
mod6: and if there is anything that's deemed "required", we'll be putting those things in. getting us to the baseline.
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mircea_popescu: !up britter
mircea_popescu: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitlendingclub-use-angel-co-to-raise-seed-investment/
assbot: BitLendingClub Use Angel.co To Raise Seed Investment | Qntra.net
thestringpuller: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
cazalla: i would not even lend them niggas a pencil
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: re: your chronicles: 'importprivkey' is more or less inescpable (how the fuck can one do anything technological with the thing, lacking it?)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: but why qr codes?
RagnarDanneskjol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWXsTaBoD7A
assbot: Deap Vally - Gonna Make My Own Money - Official Video - YouTube
asciilifeform waits for someone to say 'i keep all me coin in the iPnohe'
asciilifeform doesn't see why qr code modem belongs in the already overcrowded rocket
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually the qr code is a legitimate optoseparator
asciilifeform: crappy separator
mircea_popescu: there do exist qr reader guns with reasonably simple internals commonly available.
asciilifeform: everyone in the room & across the street can see.
mircea_popescu: why crappy ?
asciilifeform: tempest.
mircea_popescu: you can print just as well.
asciilifeform: can.
asciilifeform: really belongs as a piped apparatus though
mircea_popescu: the advantage of this arrangement is that it can be made easily and inconspicuously.
asciilifeform isn't thrilled with the encouragement of exposing privkeys to the atmosphere, so to speak, by trivial optical export
mircea_popescu: nobody's encouraging it. as long as it's there, people gotta keep tempest going.
mircea_popescu: this is expensive. let them.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you really think it's still done with a van full of knob-twiddling sp00kz0rz ?
mircea_popescu: however it's done, it's still expensive and scales poorly.
asciilifeform: done with automatics, usable by chimp, approx. the size of iPnohe (minus receiving horn)
mircea_popescu: i've yet to capture one of those.
asciilifeform: there's one flying not far from where i live.
mircea_popescu: how much do you figure it cost ?
asciilifeform: it was announced with some fanfare, too. (who has the balloon link?)
asciilifeform: no idea what it costs, other than the fact usg can get as many of these as it likes.
asciilifeform: back to qr codes per se: who builds the reader with no stateful internals?
asciilifeform: every single one i've ripped open, had a micro
asciilifeform: if going for optical, better keep it edisonian. as in, helically-inscribed 1d barcode.
mircea_popescu: i guess.
asciilifeform: then can read a la phonograph.
asciilifeform: print - with ordinary printer.
asciilifeform wonders if anyone has returned to paper tape
asciilifeform: or if it will have to wait for mechanicoin.
asciilifeform: and wai wat, who ever said tempest needs to scale.
asciilifeform: there's maybe 10 worthwhile 'patients' alive.
asciilifeform: and 3-5 of them are reading log here.
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how bureaucracy works :)
asciilifeform: tempest horn doesn't have to belong to the crown.
PinkPosixPXE: These girls are very enthusiastic about making their own money, and being independently wealthy
PinkPosixPXE: 22:42 <+RagnarDanneskjol> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWXsTaBoD7A
assbot: Deap Vally - Gonna Make My Own Money - Official Video - YouTube
mircea_popescu: because that's totally how it works, yeah.
RagnarDanneskjol: yea they're cool chicks - just discovered them recently. pretty decent garbage rock
mircea_popescu: to write run, bitch run review or not to write run, bitch, run review...
asciilifeform would like to suggest a term, 'dependently wealthy'
RagnarDanneskjol: ha
PinkPosixPXE: Yea, not a bad song... Not certain how I feel about it.. interesting..
mircea_popescu snubs nose at song. o looky, chicky got electric guitar, not catching her fingers in the chords anymore even!
PinkPosixPXE: "pretend you're playing rock band, and look sexy!"
mod6: !up Bugpowder
PinkPosixPXE: re QR codes and exposing privkeys to the atmosphere: http://www.bloomberg.com/video/miller-s-lesson-guard-your-bitcoin-qr-code-1y5Uj8foQu~3Gn_qKclleQ.html
assbot: Oops: Guard Your Bitcoin QR Code or Else: Video - Bloomberg
PinkPosixPXE: hah
mircea_popescu: meh video
mircea_popescu: !up Bugpowder
Bugpowder: thanks
mircea_popescu: ;;8ball is mod6 an impostor ?
gribble: The outlook is good.
Bugpowder: Been a while, not sure how to do it
mircea_popescu: ident with gribble, pm assbot !up
mod6: ;;gpg info mod6
gribble: User 'mod6', with keyid 721705A8B71EADAF, fingerprint 027A8D7C0FB8A16643720F40721705A8B71EADAF, and bitcoin address None, registered on Wed Sep 14 17:05:58 2011, last authed on Fri Oct 24 12:42:41 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=mod6 . Currently authenticated from hostmask mod6!32ea73ba7c@rider.us .
Bugpowder: Yall have seen this? http://arxiv-web3.library.cornell.edu/pdf/1410.1231v1.pdf
mircea_popescu: meh pdf. what is it ?
Bugpowder: Bayesian regression and Bitcoin
Bugpowder: Devavrat Shah Kang Zhang Laboratory for Information and Decision Systems Department of EECS Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Bugpowder: Profitable (previously) strategy for bitcoin trading
mircea_popescu: aha
RagnarDanneskjol: !s Bayesian regression and Bitcoin
assbot: 1 results for 'Bayesian regression and Bitcoin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=Bayesian+regression+and+Bitcoin
Bugpowder: what I found interseting is that the primary pattern it found (Fig 4) was the exact pattern for my winning short term trades
Bugpowder: drop with rippple
Bugpowder: Of course, why they would publish this instead of exploit it is an exercise for the reader. Probably they should’ve gone to Stanford.
mod6: lol
mod6: cuz college makes you smrter
Bugpowder: Well… I think they would be more profit focused then
mircea_popescu suspects it's more valuable as a retrospective fitting than anything else
mircea_popescu: aka glorified ta.
Bugpowder: yea
mircea_popescu: their publishing signals that they hold the sam ebelief.
Bugpowder: Also, hard to exploit with a large enough stack to make it worthwhile.
mircea_popescu: (then again, generally i think bayesian stuff is masturbation for the uneducated intelligent.)
Bugpowder: It is a bit classical.
Bugpowder: Give me a black box, random forest bagging tree algorithm over that shit any day
mircea_popescu: anyway, how've you been ?
Bugpowder: Busy
Bugpowder: too busy
Bugpowder: but good
mircea_popescu: did you get that what was it, grant ?
Bugpowder: Got lab, got space, got equipment. Small grant, applying for more
mircea_popescu: cool
Bugpowder: Foundation awards etc
Bugpowder: Got house
Bugpowder: got second kid
Bugpowder: got bitcar
mircea_popescu: o hey.
Bugpowder: So sad tho
mircea_popescu: why ?!
Bugpowder: I fucked up the plate
Bugpowder: I was a bit faded when I ordered it and didn’t read the instructinos
mircea_popescu: ;;ud fuck up the plate
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shut%20the%20fuck%20up | It is the upgrade of "shut up" and is used mainly when you a... ... dsl: *ding* I think the microwave has just finished cooking that plate of shut the fuck up you ...
Bugpowder: assumed they would center the plate
mod6: the license plate bracket?
Bugpowder: but you need to explicitly center it with half-space characters
mod6: oh nm. lost me with bitcar
mod6: oh this thing? http://web.mit.edu/francov/www/citycar/
assbot: Bit Car
Bugpowder: http://i.imgur.com/TOZ4XQ2.jpg
Bugpowder: left justified plate. FML
mircea_popescu: lol looks kinda dopey
mircea_popescu: big fucking deal tho.
Bugpowder: I can’t reorder the plate, cause the name is already taken
Bugpowder: hahah
mod6: still, on your porsche is still hurtin' feelings
Bugpowder: Getting the plate was an anti-climax
Bugpowder: now people can recognize you if parked somewhere… which could be a negative thing...
Bugpowder: thought about that too late.
Bugpowder: anyway. Whats going on here???
Bugpowder: Trolls have been banished I see
Bugpowder: bitbet got some whale action
Bugpowder: just-dice gone
Bugpowder: bitbook gone
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder qntra and the bitcoin foundation.
mod6: war of life too, pretty cool new game
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, qntra can prolly take some more science-minded writing. if you come up with anything talk to cazalla
Bugpowder: heh
Bugpowder: dude
Bugpowder: no bandwitdh
mircea_popescu: mod6 right, and mpif going through what, five profit centers ? sad.
Bugpowder: is qntra listed?
mircea_popescu: yeah.
decimation: asciilifeform et. al. it appears that this guy maintains a 'secure' bitcoin branch, as well as the dependencies: http://www.ringingliberty.com/bitcoin/
assbot: Ringing Liberty | Bitcoin
decimation: ;;seen io_error
gribble: I have not seen io_error.
Bugpowder: mpex down?
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: no ?
mircea_popescu: $proxies
empyex: mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
empyex: mircea_popescu: MPEx-Status: mpex.coinbr.com (466 milliseconds), mpex.co (error), mpex.biz (error), mpex.ws (error), mpex.bz (error)
empyex: mircea_popescu: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √
mircea_popescu: odd.
mircea_popescu: ;;isup mpex.ws
gribble: mpex.ws is up
mircea_popescu: ;;isup mpex.bz
gribble: mpex.bz is up
mircea_popescu: FabianB_ any idea why ?
mod6: decimation: i could be wrong here, but a quick look here seems like this dude is wrapping up bitcoin 0.9.3
decimation: yeah my main interest is that he catalogs the dependencies
mircea_popescu: decimation any definition of what "secure" means ?
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: but why qr codes? << libqrencode-dev was a mistake; holdover from my experiments with 6.3
ben_vulpes: ah but wait qr libs aren't in the script on ch
mod6: !up Bugpowder
decimation: I think it's 'secure' because it uses selinux
decimation: the most hilarious dependency (even on ascii's 0.5.3): UPNP
mod6: assbot: h8r
mod6: decimation: some guys like to plug and play
mircea_popescu: there's linux upnp ?!
decimation: yeah here's the bitcoin dependency: http://miniupnp.free.fr/
assbot: MiniUPnP Project HomePage
mircea_popescu: odd.
mircea_popescu: what am i missing ?!
mod6: http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Millions-of-devices-vulnerable-via-UPnP-Update-1794032.html
assbot: Millions of devices vulnerable via UPnP - Update - The H Security: News and Features
mod6: old news, but still, lulz
ben_vulpes: <PinkPosixPXE> re QR codes and exposing privkeys to the atmosphere: http://www.bloomberg.com/video/miller-s-lesson-guard-your-bitcoin-qr-code-1y5Uj8foQu~3Gn_qKclleQ.html << "never show anyone your public key" ya mhm bloomberg killing it again and again
assbot: Oops: Guard Your Bitcoin QR Code or Else: Video - Bloomberg
ben_vulpes: haha oh man ripped up one side and down t' other
PinkPosixPXE: Yep, "Oh I fucked up... don't show your public key folks!!! Just your private key!"
PinkPosixPXE: "ganked, as we say in gangster slang"
mod6: licked
mod6: ;;ud licked
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=licked | Licked - To get a BJ/gummer 2. Licked - To get intoxicated 3. Licked - To get physically hit or deliver a hit in a violent manner 4. Licked - To steal or to be stolen ...
ben_vulpes: <Bugpowder> left justified plate. FML << typical bitcoiner
ben_vulpes: a) "hai plz foar ams to rob me"
ben_vulpes: b) "lol plate ams left justified cuz i generate keys wasted"
mircea_popescu: wait wut ?
ben_vulpes: bitcoin anything on anything one owns - big advertisement for rectothermal cryptanalysts
mircea_popescu: !up Bugpowder
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder : <mircea_popescu> ident with gribble, pm assbot !up
Bugpowder: tx
mod6: i tried. assbot hates me now.
Bugpowder: I should have got buttcoin
Bugpowder: err… buttcar.. No way that would have passed the censors tho
ben_vulpes: Bugpowder: on the topic of bezzlenomics, i'm amused that you have a small grant, lab, equipment and...porsche.
Bugpowder: rich get richer, what can I say
cazalla: ermahgerd how am i meant to publish this article to qntra
ben_vulpes: no comment necessary, simply sharing lulz.
ben_vulpes: anyways that's it for me tonight
mod6: night!
Bugpowder: peach
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00074565 = 22.6678 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: http://rap.genius.com/Jay-z-hello-brooklyn-20-lyrics#note-9163
assbot: Jay Z Hello Brooklyn 2.0 Lyrics | Genius
Bugpowder: trilema down… I read about qntra laterz… night…
mircea_popescu: is it ?
mod6: seems to be
mircea_popescu sees it, as per usual.
thestringpuller: Oh man I missed Bugpowder.
thestringpuller: ;;isup mpex.co
gribble: mpex.co is up
thestringpuller: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is down
thestringpuller: ;;isup trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is down
mod6: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 451525.68 in 1128 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: -3.84
mod6: %p
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 302.37 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 4.46 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 0.00 TH/s
thestringpuller: %tslb
atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block (#47256): 0 hour(s), 4 minutes
RagnarDanneskjol: is noone using the p2pool anymore?
RagnarDanneskjol: yep - noone's mined on it since the 21st
mircea_popescu: you can prolly safely turn it off.
mod6: atcbot?
RagnarDanneskjol: should I check with anyone else? bingo.. also, whats the story
mircea_popescu: the p2pool thing
mod6: ah, yeah
mod6: needs some updates, i also said i'd get rid of the coinminer stats too.
mircea_popescu: prolly not the top priority atm
RagnarDanneskjol: maybe I'll ask chalbersma to switch it to a bc pool
mod6: yeah, it'll be a quick update. i'll put it in tomorrow.
HeySteve: hi
RagnarDanneskjol: Hey Steve
HeySteve: going well, RagnarDanneskjol?
RagnarDanneskjol: hangin in there
mod6: %p
atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 366.50 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 3.49 TH/s
mod6: tomorrow, 6 minutes, w/e
mircea_popescu: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/hong-kong-sar-government-sponsored-bitcoin-exchange-bitspark-goes-live/
assbot: Hong Kong SAR Government Sponsored Bitcoin Exchange Bitspark Goes Live | Qntra.net
mircea_popescu: !up Mikayla
HeySteve: hey Mikayla
HeySteve: her pic ok, mircea_popescu?
Mikayla: hi HeySteve
mircea_popescu: i didn't get it ?
cazalla: bitpay got back to me as well.. "I will be following up with our Legal department on Monday in regards to disclosing bitcoin addresses to law enforcement."
Mikayla: sorry I see my email buggered out
Mikayla: it's sitting in my draft box
mircea_popescu: lolk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00074429 = 25.6036 BTC [-]
Mikayla: hotmail ftw....
thestringpuller: old skool
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98800 @ 0.00074527 = 73.6327 BTC [+] {4}
HeySteve: cazalla, you expect bitpay just rolls over?
thestringpuller: well wouldn't a company saying "We are gagged in disclosing what metrics law enforcement collects from us."
thestringpuller: be pretty damning
cazalla: i dunno, it's not even a good story, just slow news day so i go fishing and see what i catch
thestringpuller: been a slow news week
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45830 @ 0.00074645 = 34.2098 BTC [+] {2}
copain_reac: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
davout: srsly?
TheShrander: i get a Gateway timeout on qntra
TheShrander: now is ok
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4511 @ 0.00074579 = 3.3643 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12389 @ 0.00074628 = 9.2457 BTC [+]
cazalla: down again :\
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51750 @ 0.00074613 = 38.6122 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7976 @ 0.00074715 = 5.9593 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: cazalla, might be news or something: https://twitter.com/jja0/status/525873770188128256
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danielpbarron: "proof of art" that "cold" stores 100'000 "bits"
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assbot: Hack the Trackers
punkman: http://threatpost.com/researcher-finds-tor-exit-node-adding-malware-to-binaries/109008
assbot: Researchers Finds Malicious Tor Exit Node Adding Malware to Binaries | Threatpost | The first stop for security news
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21834 @ 0.00074791 = 16.3299 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26650 @ 0.00074805 = 19.9355 BTC [+] {2}
mats_cd03: ;;later tell BingoBoingo sure
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: cazalla bingoboingo can you see qntra now ?
mircea_popescu: !up Mikayla
asciilifeform: decimation: 'secure' bitcoin branch, as well as the dependencies << lol, read his faq! usg linux!
asciilifeform: decimation: 0.5.3 UPNP - it's condemned to die, if that weren't obvious
asciilifeform: 'never show anyone your public key' << 'in the game of chess you can never let your adversary see your pieces!' (zapf brannigan, 'futurama')
asciilifeform: big advertisement for rectothermal cryptanalysts << i've seen worse. there's some fool driving around my town with '0DAY'.
mircea_popescu: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
mircea_popescu: aite then.
asciilifeform: dead here
mircea_popescu: yeah well as the dead bodies clear it should be ok.
decimation: asciilifeform: it is somewhat mysterious why redhat doesn't want to adopt ecc crypto
asciilifeform: decimation: chef could easily chop wrong carrot, might accidentally end up with the less-usg-flavoured kind
decimation: at any rate, he has turds needed to compile arbitrary bitcoin
decimation: not that they will be needed for long
asciilifeform: so can anyone
asciilifeform: this isn't really a mega-challenge
decimation: no, it appears that even 0.5.3 compiles fine with reasonable version of openssl and bdb
asciilifeform: but go and, say, diff his binary with yours.
decimation: Somehow I still can't get your patch to match your manifest
asciilifeform: match how?
decimation: even something as simple as snipping out a few lines seems complicated
asciilifeform: there were two manifests; one from stock tarball, one from just the necessaries (hand-deleted crud)
decimation: well let's see. 6c5edfb92f95e7b8237170b1f9c197306060861cb32173bdf28d42ec0448ff57 wallet.cpp
asciilifeform: both prior to patch
decimation: that's what I get for post-patch wallet.cpp
asciilifeform: i didn't submit a hash for post-patch!
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform imagined that unix patch util actually works, and that this were not necessary
mircea_popescu: !up TheShrander
decimation: I was confused, I thought you had a pre-patch and post patch manifest
decimation: instead you had a pre-patch and pre-patch cut :)
decimation: at any rate, I got it compiled and working, immediately began downloading blocks
decimation: one item of note - it is amusing that the copyright notices suddenly changed from "Satoshi Nakamoto" to "The Bitcoin Developers"
decimation: like, is that a legal entity?
asciilifeform: decimation: the patch removed crap that was ifdef'd out anyway
decimation: yeah I noted that
mircea_popescu: decimation because that's how maggots become cattle owners.
mircea_popescu: it's... their corpse, right ?
asciilifeform: decimation: i haven't any idea what 'the bitcoin developers' are. presumably it's a mythical set that includes, even us.
decimation: heh that's what I thought
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just like "us representatives" as a mythical set includes even you.
asciilifeform: lelz
asciilifeform: let's change that string to 'bitcoin maggots'
mircea_popescu: let's just change it to what it originally was.
mircea_popescu: kinda the point of the fucking reaction innit.
decimation: yeah, I would revert it all to satoshi
asciilifeform looks at 0.1
asciilifeform: satoshi '09 ?
mircea_popescu: then qntra can run a piece about how bitcoin foundation reverted a missatribution created by usgavin of the bitcoin scamdation, where it falsely attrivbuted bitcoin to an inexistent group instead of satoshi
decimation: yep
asciilifeform: sorta misleading, considering that the turdball presently under consideration isn't maggot-free
decimation: yeah it's a bit early
decimation: but I like the sentiment
mircea_popescu: yeah not yet, just, best way to publicly announce this.
decimation: asciilifeform: did you see this http://cryptome.org/2014/10/3-us-section.pdf
decimation: an interesting history of the real details of how comint was shared by the allies
decimation: Hut-3 and 3-US was the US liason hut at Bletchley Park:
decimation: "Much that went on in 3-US was not properly the business of Hut 3. Such questions, for example, as which individuals at American commands should be entitled to have access to Ultra, or what action should be taken on violations of security regulations at American commands-questions which on the British side were handled at Broadway Buildings-were normally handled in 3-US."
decimation: so basically there was a whole pile of people who appeared-to-be-in-charge who were not, and security was effective because a small number were involved
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.000805 = 8.05 BTC [+]
HeySteve: !up Mikayla
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5813 @ 0.00080729 = 4.6928 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: wow@logs. seems i missed a most eventful night eh ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40200 @ 0.0008036 = 32.3047 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/mika.jpg << not bad eh ?
mircea_popescu: Mikayla email me an address. use same email.
undata: I got here just in time.
mircea_popescu: undata to see what you gotta do for senor thiel ?
HeySteve: thought you'd appreciate her, mircea_popescu
undata: mircea_popescu: my tits aren't nearly as impressive
mircea_popescu: undata i know a great doctor...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39850 @ 0.00079859 = 31.8238 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;rated HeySteve
gribble: You rated user HeySteve on Mon Jun 23 12:50:37 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: cryptocoinsnews reporter..
HeySteve: not any more
mircea_popescu: ah ?
HeySteve: yeah got tired of chasing down the news, on hiatus
mircea_popescu: ;;rate HeySteve 1 Fairer sex connoisseur
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user HeySteve has changed from 1 to 1.
mircea_popescu: a better title anyway.
HeySteve: sure enough
HeySteve: she's getting some food, will tell her to email
HeySteve: argentina still treating you well, mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: lol what, you're living together ?
mircea_popescu: argentina is indeed a pleasure.
HeySteve: nope
mircea_popescu: yes it is.
HeySteve: heh ok fine
HeySteve: things here are still ok, if you don't turn on the news
mircea_popescu: o were you trying to get out ?
HeySteve: I can leave to Canada or EU any time but committed to some projects here for a while
HeySteve: but yeah, that's the long term plan
mircea_popescu: aha
HeySteve: so I'm guessing if Gavin forks the chain, you'll be sticking with the tried and true?
mircea_popescu: the reaction is the reaction for not being revolutionary, after all.
mircea_popescu: anyway, what i do is the lesser part. the best thing gavin & co could do is fork themselves outside of this project.
mircea_popescu: simply leaving would be about as big a deal, but not nearly as lolproductive.
HeySteve: if what they do is as bad as all that, perhaps satoshi will break radio silence again
mircea_popescu: ain't happening.
Duffer1: again? what'd i miss?
HeySteve: hmm but if they compromise it somehow, he could squelch them with three words, like dorian story
Duffer1: oh right
mircea_popescu: HeySteve not really, for one thing, and more likely to wring his own neck than anything.
mircea_popescu: !up viorels
mircea_popescu: !up Mikayla
mircea_popescu: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-25/deutsche-bank-lawyer-and-former-sec-enforcement-attorney-found-dead-apparent-suicide
mircea_popescu: with... a nail gun!!11
HeySteve: srsly again?
mircea_popescu: 41 year old Calogero "Charlie" Gambino o.O
HeySteve: this trend is robbing the guillotines
mod6: ^
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00079942 = 5.3961 BTC [+]
Mikayla: APPARENT suicide...
undata: who kills himself with a nail gun
Mikayla: Am I the only one who feels a conspircy coming on?
undata: certainly not
Mikayla: ya no it doesn't sound 100% effective
Mikayla: imagine living through it?
Mikayla shudders
undata: right, that's a punishment
undata: a suicidal person goes for effectiveness
Mikayla: uh huh
Mikayla: I feel a mob attack vibe
undata: "Kill him with a nail gun." "Yeah boss"
Mikayla: yip
Mikayla: haha
mircea_popescu: HeySteve mod6 Mikayla i dunno, i kinda feel bad for the bankers.
mircea_popescu: their "crimes" are entirely based on rules the government had no authority to make, and certainly has no authority to enforce.
mircea_popescu: they're just middleaged pencilnecks being bullied, essentially.
Mikayla: just the nail gun is suspect
Mikayla: why not gas yourself in your car?
mircea_popescu: Mikayla speaking of mob attack vibes, what's the situation there like, for a hot white gal ?
mircea_popescu: to judge by the media reports it's nothing but a rapefest.
Mikayla: I own a bitpull. have very high walls. electronic gate. latches on the door.
mircea_popescu: a bitpull ?!
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha epic.
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/15XHWQ3.txt )
mircea_popescu: !b 5 ✂︎
undata: those are great dogs
undata: Mikayla: guns too?
mircea_popescu: pitbulls ?
Mikayla: she's a rescue
undata: ah yeah, loyal, super fun
Mikayla: not a gun. yet.
undata: I love pits
undata: they'll tear someone in half, but *for you*
Mikayla: yip
Mikayla: my german shepard was poisoned
Mikayla: she's still a puppy but never leaves my side
undata: that's awful.
undata: Mikayla: shooting's a skill I think everyone should have
Mikayla: guns aren't easy to obtain here
undata: ah well... I grew up in texas
undata: they hand them out in kindergarden there
Mikayla: I know
Mikayla: but a licence takes long
Mikayla: and registering
mircea_popescu: ;;ud deturdulation
gribble: Google found nothing.
mircea_popescu: totally should be a word.
punkman: ;;ud deturdification
gribble: Google found nothing.
punkman: I didn't ask google!
mircea_popescu: nevertheless!
PinkPosixPXE: !up Mikayla
Mikayla: thanks :)
PinkPosixPXE: sure thing :)
mircea_popescu: the question as to exactly *how* assbot removes her voice is left as an exercise to the onanist.
Mikayla: he doesn't like my boobages
mircea_popescu: Mikayla get a wot account, i'll rate you, then you can self-voice and it be permanent.
mircea_popescu: lol well you do have perhaps the worst potato of a camera.
Mikayla: hush :/
Mikayla: It's the energy saving bulbs
mircea_popescu: bulbous energy savings.
PinkPosixPXE: Hope you can stay safe Mikayla, that sounds scary. Electric gate seem like a good idea, and dogs are great protectors, or at the very least alarm systems :). I should look into an electric gate, I want to setup a few security cams soon as well (despite living in a safe neighborhood, in my opinion, no where is truly safe).
undata: portland is filled with zombie bums on meth
undata: hence, weapons
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE no, here it's safe.
undata: I got my first gun after being mugged in Houston
mircea_popescu: so if someone tries it again you gonna smoke the mofo ?
PinkPosixPXE: I do own a glock 19, and have a concealed carry permit, but I'd like to prevent intruders from even bothering, before facing the alternative...
Mikayla: it's illegal to shoot someone here though
Mikayla: no idea why then guns are even allowed?
PinkPosixPXE: Yea, I imagine the gun laws are much different
undata: mircea_popescu: it would have to escalate severely for me to consider it
Mikayla: I don't even think you're allowed a gun in public
Mikayla: I know it needs to be locked in a gun safe
mircea_popescu: weird, i thought the boers were all about gun slingin'.
Mikayla: "Please mister Robber. Wait a bit white I unlock my safe to get my gun"
undata: it's not as though I'd take joy in blowing some mentally ill guy away
PinkPosixPXE: yea, they'll hold the gun straight to your head, but you better keep yours in a safe so you are a 'law abiding citizen'
Mikayla: I'd shoot someone in my home who planned to make me statistic
undata: that's bullshit
mircea_popescu: undata my perhaps overstated point being that unless you're ready to shoot you don't really have much use for a gun.
Mikayla: LOL
Mikayla: exactly
undata: mircea_popescu: reach into bag, pull out?
mircea_popescu: and be fed it ?
undata: I tend to have a laptop on me
mircea_popescu: guns aren't really for showing.
Mikayla: they're meant for shooting
Mikayla: which sounds so redundant
undata: but I moved from Houston; Portland's less about mugging and more about the odd home invasion
mircea_popescu: Mikayla an' boots are made for walkin' ?
Mikayla: haha
Mikayla: I actually love boots
mircea_popescu: i have yet to meet a girl with big tits that hates boots.
undata: mircea_popescu: inside the house it'd take me about 5sec to be ready
Mikayla: think it's a standard?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, coincidence, rule of the universe, something in between...
Mikayla: heh
mircea_popescu: undata granted, against a home invasion it's a good play.
mircea_popescu: on the street tho... dubious at best.
PinkPosixPXE: In CCW training they really push the practice of grabbing your firearm as quickly as possible, and defending yourself as need be. Always keeping it in a specific spot most convenient for easy access.. etc.. just depends on the situation though.. Home vs. My car on the bad side of town..
Mikayla: other bit of security is that I don't go outside at night
undata: mircea_popescu: maybe when the US falls apart I can just strap it
PinkPosixPXE: They also go over all the legalities, and what you have to truly consider, and understand comes with using your weapon, or even pulling it out/unholstering it.
mircea_popescu: Mikayla do you go outside naked ?
Mikayla: I just take shitty webcam photos
Mikayla: *lol*
undata: but no, the streets aren't dangerous enough here to need that
Mikayla: It doesn't matter what a person goes out in
Mikayla: you're a target
Mikayla: found a man hidding in the bush once
Mikayla: a guy was with me and we were talking outside a neighbours home in a car
Mikayla: and he kept saying there's a man in that bush
Mikayla: it was a bush on a wall feature outside a gate
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Mikayla: truce as bob. It was man.
Mikayla: phoned the police. A year later they're yet to show up.
Mikayla: I'm sure it's not illegal for my dog to kill a man in my yard though?
Mikayla: ;)
Mikayla: everything has a loop hole
mircea_popescu: it probably is, yeh
Mikayla: naaaaaah
Mikayla: I'll take my chances
undata: first thing after the revolution, some goddamn sovereignty over one's personal property
undata: Mikayla: sorry, the state obligates you to protect that man! he's just sick.
Mikayla: nah well the dog can't be legally punished
Mikayla: I think it is a loophole
Mikayla: they won't ask me to put my dog down who attacked a man in my property
mircea_popescu: hm
Mikayla: I win?
mircea_popescu: mebbe you do, iu have no idea what the law's like there.
Mikayla: you can't kill someone no matter what they do sort of law
Mikayla: you're meant to injure them
mircea_popescu: well honestly, if someone tried to mug me i'd rather shoot them in the shoulder than kill them.
mircea_popescu: if particularly obnoxious, shoot out each knee, then each hip, then each shoulder, then call them an ambulance.
Mikayla: the thing is they don't just mug you here
mircea_popescu: about even odds they ever mug anyone again, depending if they carry insurance.
mircea_popescu: Mikayla hence "<mircea_popescu> Mikayla speaking of mob attack vibes, what's the situation there like, for a hot white gal ? to judge by the media reports it's nothing but a rapefest."
Mikayla: without dampening the mood here. There was a girl, around 16, gang raped by men and a broken beer bottle....
Mikayla: I'll take my chances of my dog killing the person
mircea_popescu: well, but is it mostly factual or mostly media hysteria is what i want to know
Mikayla: the media reports very poorly
mircea_popescu: so how do you knoiw about this girl ?
Mikayla: arrest rate it poor
Mikayla: and a person doesn't stay in prison very long - one of the reasons being the prisons are too full
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undata: man... I am all for the revolutionary terror of women killing attempted rapists
mircea_popescu: undata women suck at killing men.
Mikayla: news - she was mentioned quite a lot in the news due to the disgusting nature of how she died and how long it took the find the culprits
mircea_popescu: Mikayla but do you see my point ?
undata: mircea_popescu: I sort of want to ask "why did no one escort her if it's that dangerous?"
undata: in most circles I think that labels me a sexist?
Mikayla: it's unfair to be chaperoned every where you go
Mikayla: and it isn't always easy
mircea_popescu: well, depends if she's the dependent sort of woman that lives as property of men or the independent sort that does not. for the latter your idea is scarcely a solution.
Mikayla: I've had to walk to buy electricity at night once
Mikayla: life happens
PinkPosixPXE: yea.. you can't always setup ideal situations
Mikayla: Only had one attack on me in the street and I was 17 then
mircea_popescu: Mikayla so what happened ?
undata: mircea_popescu | undata women suck at killing men. << in a violent society, what's to be done about this fact?
Mikayla: some old homeless guy grabbed me
Mikayla: ok wait - twice.
mircea_popescu: undata nothing. a violent society forces women into dependent roles willy-nilly.
undata: not saying lets all convert to Islam; my lady walks around Portland herself just fine
Mikayla: first time 16 and the homeless guy tried to make out with me
Mikayla: it's unfair a person must live like they're in a prison
Mikayla: everyone has a right to freedome
mircea_popescu: Mikayla you know, the weird thing they do here, is try to kiss girls. just like that, randomly. cause this is romanticised, and so...
mircea_popescu: Mikayla everyone has the right to the freedom they actually want.
undata: ^^^
Mikayla: it's not like a person goes and walks in the street at night because they're bored
PinkPosixPXE: I worked at a datacenter, on graveyards for a while, in a rough part of town, and had to walk 3 blocks in the ghetto to a parking garage every night... I had a few scary encounters, and ended up carrying a stun gun at that point. The security gaurds could escort you only so far off the property too, so you just had to be on gaurd..
mircea_popescu: course the bitch of all time is that young women are exactly at an age when they're simultaneously a) unclear as to what they actually want and b) attractive. pretty much everyting about living things is made out of bottlenecks like that.
Mikayla: my fear of a weapon like a stun gun is that it gets used on me
mircea_popescu: Mikayla well, strong muscular contractions. sex toy basically.
Mikayla: lol
undata: haha oh dear
mircea_popescu: it is.
Mikayla: gosh reminding me of a movie :(
Mikayla: um...
Mikayla: I spit on your grave 2
PinkPosixPXE: Yea, any weapon you carry can be used against you, it's an important thing to be mindful of, that's where the training to use it, and learn some self defense tactics comes in.
mircea_popescu: undata what do you thing slavegirls wear dog collars for :D
Mikayla: at least with a gun the first shot has a major impact and quick
undata: mircea_popescu: in the case of the stun gun, you might get a little zap yourself
PinkPosixPXE: I'm very small, so someone's always going to have a natural advantage, strength wise.
Mikayla: oh I'm tiny
mircea_popescu: undata rapists these days use condoms.
Mikayla: 5'3"
Mikayla: not here...
undata: mircea_popescu: man, progress everywhere...
Mikayla: gosh. I'm going to really warp your minds if I continue....
mircea_popescu: no hon, teh minds are well warped.
mircea_popescu: im taking credit for that one.
Mikayla: here it's a norm to rape a 3 day old baby :( the person doesn't even care what disease they have :(
mircea_popescu: Mikayla what's norm mean ? like, every 3yo you know got raped ?
PinkPosixPXE: 4'11 :/ .. Yea, I'm already a little overly paranoid, I think it's wise to be so Mikayla, so good for you..
Mikayla: But I am a volunteer at the voting stations so hopefully it'll change
mircea_popescu: wait.
mircea_popescu: wait a second.
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE you're FOUR FEET ?!
mircea_popescu: !up Mikayla
Mikayla: ta
Mikayla: mircea_popescu it happens A LOT
PinkPosixPXE: 4 feet, 11 inches
undata: Mikayla: this is a poor black superstition thing right?
undata: this is what's not being mentioned
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE so truly a pixie!
Mikayla: undata different reasons. Some believe having sex with a virgin cures age
mircea_popescu: Mikayla yes but what's a lot mean.
mircea_popescu: having sex with a virgin does not cure age.
Mikayla: mircea_popescu a baby is raped or killed every 3 seconds in Africa
mircea_popescu: having sex with a teenager cures age. and she'd better not be a virgin.
Mikayla: ugh
mircea_popescu: Mikayla according to the news ?
undata: Mikayla: holy fucking statistic
Mikayla: shuddering
Mikayla: change of topic
Mikayla: mircea_popescu statistics
undata: Mikayla: govt ones?
mircea_popescu: published by whom ?
Mikayla: mircea_popescu reported crimes
Mikayla: nevermind those not reported...
mircea_popescu: to make perfectly clear, my issue here is this : if one knows (from the news) that a) X event happens and b) (the news) isn't reporting it frequently enough and c) )(other parties) aren't taking enough action,
Mikayla: "The rate of sexual violence in South Africa is among the highest in the world. Sexual violence is the use of force or manipulation to get someone to engage in unwanted sexual activity without his or her consent.[1] An estimated of 500,000 rape cases take place in the country, every year.["
mircea_popescu: this situation could be indicative of X not actually happening.
Mikayla: that's reported - which many aren't
PinkPosixPXE: mircea_popescu: yea, hehe, that's sort of how the nick evolved. Friends call me a variety of things like 'tinkerbell' etc.
mircea_popescu: Mikayla "an estimated" is not "a reported".
undata: it is true; it's important to avoid hysteria
Mikayla: they go on police reported numbers
Mikayla: I've been on the police website and seen the increases
Mikayla: it goes into multiple 100%'s a year
mircea_popescu: now, i know about this hysteria first hand, because some of the safest places i;'ve ever been in are convinced hteir problem is "security"
mircea_popescu: whereas utter shitholes like mexico think everything's mostly fine and dandy
Mikayla: South Africa is not safe
mircea_popescu: i've never been. fluffypony seems to think it's ok.
Mikayla: I know Mexico is big on taking someone for ransom
mircea_popescu: you seem to think it's not.
fluffypony: Mikayla: South Africa is great
mircea_popescu: the media is... well... a shitpile, as per usual. what's a guy to do to find out ?
Mikayla: here you get abused. raped. sodomised. killed. and they steal your phone.
fluffypony: plus I live there
mircea_popescu: i bet all the "sodomised!!!" news items make it hard to get butt from one's gf.
Mikayla: fluffypony but to do so much to someone just to rob them?
Mikayla: even if they're 60?
Mikayla: lol mircea_popescu
decimation: Mikayla: if it suck so bad, why not go to another country not full of child rapists
Mikayla: serious need a happier topic
PinkPosixPXE: yea, I'm terrified of Mexico, despite people I know who still will vacation there. No thanks, I don't need to take the risk.
Mikayla: decimation I'm trying to help to change it
decimation: like new zealand
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE only place where you can actually buy the head of the chief of police.
decimation: lol
Mikayla: or australia? lol
mircea_popescu: australia sucks
mircea_popescu: besides, cazalla's from there.
Mikayla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZQ7NL-o6E8
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undata shows his redneck
undata: this is why militias
Mikayla: I want to live in Cape Verde
mircea_popescu: "this" ?
undata: govts will just let the place burn
decimation: like, you are going to live in your locked mansion and fear the populace while you change them?
mircea_popescu: and militias won't ?!
undata: mircea_popescu: yes, militias tend to be drawn from the locale
mircea_popescu: you're at least naive.
mircea_popescu: pro tip : yugoslav wars were militias.
Mikayla: decimation I am a volunteer at multiple charity organisations and I'm a volunteer for the voting stations to stop corruption
Mikayla: A girl can have hope.
mircea_popescu: a volunteer girl huh.
Mikayla: we're not zimbabwe... yet. ;)
mircea_popescu: someone get this chick a well paid job already.
decimation: maybe only 60% of the vote will go to the anc?
Mikayla: LOL
decimation: you might as well hope to push a lorry up a mountain
Mikayla: decimation they are declining in their voting numbers - even though they cheat
mircea_popescu: fluffypony give her something to do so she can save enough to visit me!
mircea_popescu: i trust you, because you're married.
Mikayla: heh
fluffypony: Mikayla: are you in ZA?
Mikayla: yip
fluffypony: where?
Mikayla: neeeeeigh my bru....
Mikayla: I don't give those sort of details :/
fluffypony: moenie so wees nie
Duffer1: 30 min talk about rape
Duffer1: asks where she lives
HeySteve: Mikayla you can trust fluffypony
fluffypony: ek vra net
mircea_popescu: wait. fucking wait.
Mikayla: PE
fluffypony: HeySteve is super dodgy
Mikayla: haha
mircea_popescu: south africans hello is NEEEIGH ?!
Mikayla: I bet
mircea_popescu: what are you people, fucking centaurs ?!
fluffypony: omg you're like round the corner from me
fluffypony: I'm in Plett
HeySteve: heh he knows me so well
HeySteve: anyway I'm out have a good evening all
fluffypony: HeySteve:-P
undata: mircea_popescu: how developed was yugoslavia at the time? what other factors (economic, social) were involved?
Mikayla: lol mircea_popescu
Mikayla: I'm talking like a "cape coloured"
mircea_popescu: undata the most developed warsaw pact country.
Mikayla: neeeeigh aka no
undata: mircea_popescu: in the wake of a collapse wouldn't there be warfare to be expected?
Mikayla: I like Plett but I bet christmas time it's too full for a normal citizen
mircea_popescu: undata the following factor is involved : me and a buddy will kick your ass. you and four buddies will kick our ass. the 100 man militia kicks the 50 man militia, right or wrong.
fluffypony: Mikayla: listen, man, PE is a bit of a dead zone, maar jy kan ook kaap toe
undata: mircea_popescu: in a time of fracture I'd expect that anyway though
mircea_popescu: soon enough the militias are making armies and withdrawing from towns for pure strategic reasons.
undata: yeah I see your point
Mikayla: fluffypony ya no... we're become a major fuck up... lol. You're DA territory so it's different
mircea_popescu: right ? so, no. the problem isn't govt being deliberately evil.
mircea_popescu: the problem is that the worlkd is made so the weak get raped
fluffypony: Mikayla: yisssss, we're borderline Eastern Cape tho :-P
mircea_popescu: fucking point of life, that's how we're even here in the first place.
fluffypony: Bitou Municipality ftw!
Mikayla: fluffypony pretty much. Haha. You're like the Mexico of America. lol
undata: mircea_popescu: so then... why would I want the social groups closest to me to be weak?
Mikayla: is it called Bitou? LOL
mircea_popescu: undata well, depends what you like.
fluffypony: yup
fluffypony: we're that cool
Mikayla: it sounds like a torrent app. lol
fluffypony: "where are you?" "BITOU, my ou"
undata: mircea_popescu: I want my private property, my family, and my friends to be protected.
Mikayla: fluffypony sjoe... super flow... lol
mircea_popescu: <Duffer1> asks where she lives << you know nine out of ten people enjoy a gangbang.
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: net so
Mikayla: oh I missed that
Mikayla: fluffypony - you're not allowed to gang bang me.
undata: and I want a piece of dirt big enough to contain all of those
Mikayla: by no circumstances!
undata: and the right to defend that smallish rectangle of dirt
fluffypony: my wife and I would never allow that, so you're all good
undata: other than that, let whatever powers that be do their thing.
Mikayla: cool
mircea_popescu: undata well sure, and i want to sprout sandalwood.
undata: mircea_popescu: the above is in no way fanciful.
mircea_popescu: by what standard ?
undata: mircea_popescu: I've told you what I want; you tell me why I can't have it.
mircea_popescu: because you've defined what you want using undefined functions.
mircea_popescu: use the api as is, not the api as you think it should be.
chetty: cheat, works for me
mircea_popescu: yeah, works for as long as it does.
undata: mircea_popescu: given "otherwise let the powers that be do their thing", I can likely implement the above in any moderately stable state
mircea_popescu: fluffypony Mikayla for my own trivia file, what's "da territory" ?
undata: give them their paper, sign their stupid documents
undata: and otherwise, big fence, you're not coming in
mircea_popescu: undata no, but you can give yourself a passible illusion that you have.
decimation: I guess white folk in za have already been strongly selected, those who think there's no hope have already left.
Mikayla: hey?
fluffypony: da territory?
fluffypony: never heard of it
mircea_popescu: <Mikayla> fluffypony ya no... we're become a major fuck up... lol. You're DA territory so it's different <<
fluffypony: OH
Mikayla: haha!
fluffypony: lol
Mikayla: Democratic Alliance
fluffypony: DA = Democratic Alliance
Mikayla: poltical party
Mikayla: the best. But not where I am.
undata: mircea_popescu: what higher freedom than being unpestered for a bit exists?
mircea_popescu: none.
Mikayla: I sounded kinda gang
Mikayla: gangsta
undata: mircea_popescu: well... that's all I'm after.
mircea_popescu: undata higher level results are hard on low level machines :)
Mikayla: I feel super hard core.
Mikayla flexes
undata: mircea_popescu: we all die in the end anyway
decimation: sun just farted an X1.0 class flare
chetty: <undata> mircea_popescu: what higher freedom than being unpestered for a bit exists?
chetty: <mircea_popescu> none.//doing the pestering
Mikayla: night time here
undata: I have no desire to be the glorious leader.
mircea_popescu: that's not freedom, that's enjoyment :D
undata: I just want to build things.
undata: maybe the glorious leader can benefit from my unpestered creativity and we can come to some arrangement
decimation: or maybe he will convert you to bio-diesel
undata: and maybe the sun will engulf the earth
undata: living in fear is being dead already
mircea_popescu: undata but you see why you can't have them, right ?
mircea_popescu: not saying you shouldn't want em, but still.
undata: mircea_popescu: maybe wanting them is one half of a dynamic system
mircea_popescu: !up Mikayla
Mikayla: wow that was a long hiccup
Mikayla: thanks Hellkom.
undata: I'm trying to find whether it's true that Hitler was going to kill his rocket scientists.
mircea_popescu: nah.
undata: mircea_popescu: seems propaganda
mircea_popescu: stalin did kill his army generals toh.
Mikayla: he was pretty sick in the head
Mikayla: I wouldn't put anything past Hitel
Mikayla: Hitler*
Mikayla: But I have a major respect for him on how he collected such a large following
undata: if it were true, it'd be a great example of power over sense
Mikayla: not being a good speaker he still had a crowd begging to hear him
mircea_popescu: Mikayla especially women.
mircea_popescu: "Thanks for continuously debunking modern myths." <<< ahh makes me all warm inside. for what else is the scholar, if not the mythbuster.
undata: the short term benefit of enemies not learning the same rocketry secrets trumping the long term benefit of.... more fucking rockets
undata: and oh, causing your remaining engineers to go crazy.
Mikayla: [20:46] [Mikayla PING reply]: 49secs
Mikayla: -
Mikayla: sjoe
Mikayla: my internets are sucking tonight
undata: there's a greater gulf between feared and feared-and-loved than most leaders seem to know
mircea_popescu: undata kinda the difference between friendzone and sex slave.
Mikayla: heh
undata: haha
undata: mircea_popescu: oh, in your definition is the "need to belong" reciprocal?
undata: I thought about that after the conversation. Particularly, what happens when you reach the top?
mircea_popescu: definition of which ?
undata: we were talking about the inherent need for humans to belong, i.e. slavery
mircea_popescu: from the joys of debugging c : "I got a print in the middle of a loop and I discover it loops half the time returning pointers and half actual data"
mircea_popescu: undata ah ah. well, it's unclear. i think for most people at the top of their pyramid it's abstracted one way or the other.
undata: mircea_popescu: "belongs to God" "the cause" something?
mircea_popescu: if it becomes bijective the whole thing's condemned to ruin.
mircea_popescu: kinda why hereditary systems do not work, ever. while the founder can not give a shit about his crown,
mircea_popescu: his son is born as the son of the guy wioth the crown, and it can never can become quite the "whatever!" thing for him.
mircea_popescu: undata well, words fail.
undata: mircea_popescu: the semi-formed thought is that not belonging might be the cost
undata: still thinking about it
Mikayla: I have never been so thirsty in my life
Mikayla: gosh.
Mikayla: being hungover sucks
Mikayla: why is alcohol the one thing a person nevers learns from?
mircea_popescu: only if you drink crap alcohol.
mircea_popescu: spoend the night drinking romanian plum distilate, the hangover's a pleasure.
Mikayla: gosh I think it was the combination
mircea_popescu: the roofies ?
undata: mircea_popescu: is plum liquor as delicious as it sounds?
Mikayla: well I am a woman and I was in a gay bar so I don't think that was the case
Mikayla: lol
mircea_popescu: undata tuica ? yes.
undata: I wonder if they have that here
mircea_popescu: gotta be the actual stuff tho.
mircea_popescu: not just crapola generic alcohol with a label aded as they still do in the us.
bounce: dunno 'bout dem gayse. mebbe dey serve roofies standard dere, yanno.
bounce: though the standard fix for hangover is to just drink lots of water before going to bed.
mircea_popescu: well actually cabbage juice is the best fix.
mircea_popescu: but yeah, water helps a lot.
undata: also gorging on food
undata: before bed
undata: there's this poutine cart here that's a good 3am last stop
Adlai: bounce: better yet, alternate alcoholic and non-alcoholic drinks
Adlai: even better, instead of water, drink water with ice + lemon, people think you're drinking twice as much alcohol and you can act twice as drunk
mircea_popescu: what is this, "how to drink like a girl" ?
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kakobrekla: are you complaining about the font ?
asciilifeform: font lol no
asciilifeform runs local fonts
Adlai: indeed i do drink like a girl, i usually regret not doing so
undata: Adlai: just drink your fill, don't put on a show
undata: who gives a shit how much you drink
mircea_popescu: undata the guy trying to get you drunk ?
undata: is Adlai a girl?
mircea_popescu: the border is ever blurring.
Adlai: well, alternating drinks takes most of the bite out of the hangover, and gives the opportunity for a show
Adlai is not a girl
mircea_popescu: nttiawwt ?
Adlai: wutwutwut?
undata: farming cred with shirley temples
undata: lol
mircea_popescu: ;;ud nttiawwt
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=NTTIAWWT | Jan 13, 2008 ... An acronym for "not that there is anything wrong with that".
Adlai: there's wishes and then there's fact
mircea_popescu: wait, you WISH you were a girl ?
mircea_popescu: isn't that like... even worse than actually being a girl ?
Adlai: not often enough to care much tbh
mircea_popescu: well i guess yo uat least don't wish you were a pony LIKE SOME PEOPLE
Adlai: being a dolphin would be sweeeet though
mircea_popescu: cause of the two foot schlong ?
Adlai: i'd name myself x!dlai
asciilifeform would rather be the sandworm from 'dune' - does that count...?
Adlai: sure
ben_vulpes: ;;google fuck you i'm a dragon
gribble: F*ck you! I'm a Dragon! | Know Your Meme: <http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/fck-you-im-a-dragon>; Fuck you, I'm a dragon! - Encyclopedia Dramatica: <;' target='_blank'>https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Fuck_you,_I'm_a_dragon!>; Fuck you, I'm a Dragon.: <http://peasy93.tumblr.com/>
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: sandworm or god emperor?
mircea_popescu: isn't the sandworm from dune essentially an animated shit ?
Adlai: iirc it's the eventual evolution of other sandworms' shit, through little worms, to big worms
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, http://41.media.tumblr.com/484899cddebfa764e3ab09c49e94c3ff/tumblr_n4wvcvz67S1stazr1o1_500.jpg
asciilifeform: but hey, with style.
asciilifeform: and substance.
mircea_popescu: i thought it was mostly size.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: women suck at killing men << elaborate. doesn't the invention of light small arms sorta even the odds ?
mircea_popescu: nope.
cazalla: danielpbarron: cazalla, might be news or something: https://twitter.com/jja0/status/525873770188128256 <<< those have been around a while now
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mircea_popescu: i dunno, maybe it's the fact that women actually know how much fucking energy goes into making men, and don't so well manage to ignore it. or because they're emotionally clingy. or simply because that's how genders are hardcoded.
asciilifeform: lemme guess, they neglect target practice, maintenance, etc ?
mircea_popescu: but in any case, men tend to hurt women and women can't really get themselves to kill me.
asciilifeform: hm
mircea_popescu: to quote an ancient song,
mircea_popescu: Denn träfe jede Kugel apart ihren Mann, wo kriegten die Könige ihre Soldaten dann?
asciilifeform: lol!!!
mircea_popescu: the gun's not the problem.
asciilifeform: fredericus rex!
asciilifeform sings
asciilifeform: well, there are various folks living with 'pet' tigers, lions. famous joker with 7 tigers, was it, in brazil? i sorta assumed mircea_popescu's pets were similarly tame.
mircea_popescu: my dead nigger storage bills would be a lot more mangeable if only that were the case.
mircea_popescu: but no. ironically, natasha makes a much better assassin than serghey can ever hope to be.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28250 @ 0.00078367 = 22.1387 BTC [-]
PinkPosixPXE: wow those are beautiful... they put the Casascius coin to shame https://www.casascius.com/
assbot: Physical Bitcoins by Casascius
Adlai loves finding these little gems... https://blog.conformal.com/bip0064-not-yet/#comment-667
assbot: BIP0064 – Not yet. | Conformal Systems, LLC.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/mika.jpg << not bad eh ? <<< nice tits, shame about her going bald
asciilifeform: re: 'BIP': http://pbfcomics.com/194
assbot: The Perry Bible Fellowship
mircea_popescu: Mikayla ^ lmao
mircea_popescu: !up Mikayla
Mikayla: ya thanks :/
mircea_popescu: cazalla you know, i think she also has indiscriminate sex with black men.
PinkPosixPXE: I'll have to google more images and info to see better shots of the kialara coin, they look pretty intricate, and much more secure than the sticker holograms on the casascius coin
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE link if you find a good one ?
PinkPosixPXE: https://www.casascius.com/
assbot: Physical Bitcoins by Casascius
mircea_popescu: no, those i know.
PinkPosixPXE: errr wrong paste buffer
PinkPosixPXE: http://www.maxfield.me/2014/09/11/coinbase/
assbot: Kialara Physical Bitcoin « Photography, Illustration & Creative Retouching – Portfolio of Maxfield Mellenbruch
PinkPosixPXE: That shows a diagram of how it's assembled, and has an image gallery as well linked
mircea_popescu: $100 each ?
mircea_popescu: and if it's buyer funded why is it .1 btc
Adlai: also smancy photos here - https://ounce.me/blog/proof-of-art-kialara-bitcoin-bar-is-magically-delicious/
assbot: Proof of Art: Kialara Bitcoin Bar is Magically Delicious | Ounce.me
asciilifeform really still doesn't grasp the preoccupation with 'physical bitcoins'
asciilifeform: car-with-reins.
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-09-2014#842126 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 23-09-2014 13:15:52; kakobrekla: <punkman> http://imgur.com/a/4PyZK < wtf, so much overhead for 100kbits
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform people like to fiddle and fidget. do you fidget ?
asciilifeform: love to fidget.
mircea_popescu: so then ?
PinkPosixPXE: yea, I don't like the .1btc limit, but if i had one for novelty, eh..
PinkPosixPXE: expensive though
punkman: punkbot almost ready for ddos!
PinkPosixPXE: may be they'll go down in price over time
PinkPosixPXE: very pretty, and I like the design
Adlai: couldn't you commission one with a larger value engraved, based on how much you want to store?
kakobrekla: i dont care, i wipe my ass with iphones 6
mircea_popescu: i have no idea how they could limit the balance anyway
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla does that rhyme in slovenlian ?
PinkPosixPXE: oh it's more of a "please do not load more than .1btc" request
Adlai: why does the damn thing say "blockchain.info" though >_<
asciilifeform: how they could limit the balance << obvious! they watch the addr, if it's over limit - they pump out the excess, using privkey
kakobrekla: everything can rhyme here.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform loller.
asciilifeform: amazing service.
cazalla: undata: mircea_popescu: I sort of want to ask "why did no one escort her if it's that dangerous?" <<< you need to stop victim blaming
kakobrekla: <PinkPosixPXE> oh it's more of a "please do not load more than .1btc" request < or it MAY break under the weight
Adlai: but umm yeah... you're buying private keys. this is silly.
punkman: mircea_popescu: could you put a gpg msg in a trilema comment without all the <br>s (say, inside a <pre> tag), want to test with bot
mircea_popescu: punkman that's how they already work ? brb!
asciilifeform: stun gun is that it gets used on me << in some u.s. cities, policemen are required to take a zap gun shot before they are licensed.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-sbbet-july-2014-statement/#comment-103967 punkman that work ?
assbot: BitBet (S.BBET) July 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ben_vulpes: <Adlai> but umm yeah... you're buying private keys. this is silly. << http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/22_technical-flaws-in-early-ether-wallet-implementations.html
assbot: Technical Flaws in Early Ether Wallet Implementations
kakobrekla: uhh?
ben_vulpes: in retrospect that should be "ether distribution"
ben_vulpes: i was very tired when i wrote that.
punkman: mircea_popescu: that has <br>s in msg
mircea_popescu: ah shit.
undata: cazalla: that's a moron's interpretation of what was said.
asciilifeform: safest places i;'ve ever been in are convinced hteir problem is "security" << gedankenexperiment. who is likely to see a free-range lion as an irritant? inhabitant of savannah, or of new york where one escaped from zoo?
Adlai: ben_vulpes: so you're telling me people paid btc for private keys that someday will contain inflationary vaporware?
cazalla: undata, relax, i'm just doing some early morning trollin' :P
Adlai backs even further away from ethereum
ben_vulpes: <Mikayla> I've had to walk to buy electricity at night once << bwaaat
ben_vulpes: Adlai: you're welcome.
Adlai: lol
Adlai: i wasn't too near it ten minutes ago either
undata: cazalla: haha, noted
punkman: prepaid electricity meter? those are hilarious
asciilifeform: over here, they give'em to folks who've gone bankrupt and lowered into pederasty on account of it
asciilifeform: utility connections count as 'credit' in usa
mircea_popescu: punkman http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/mpoe_sign.txt
mircea_popescu: the thing copumpkin was asking for a while back :D
punkman: mircea_popescu: I was thinking I could be grabbing reports straight from comments, so you don't have to make pastebins
mircea_popescu: well then you'll have to filter html out of them
mircea_popescu: cuz comments gotta be displayed
Adlai can't tell whether "popescuity" is related to pope or promiscuity, or both
punkman: <pre> solves that
punkman: or maybe not, depends on your wp I guess
mircea_popescu: notrly, it just gives responsibility to not breaking the page to the author of the message
mircea_popescu: which is not something he should be stuck with
punkman: just needs overflow:scroll, magic
cazalla: mircea_popescu: australia sucks <<< not rly, no blacks to steal white wimminz
mircea_popescu: how about just nuke stuff between <>s
punkman: but other deeds might have html
ben_vulpes: NO
ben_vulpes: NO HTML
mircea_popescu: cazalla to recycle an argument from above, who is more likely to fellate a hippo ? people in the savannah, who get it up the ass all the time anyway, or people in new york ?
asciilifeform: anybody else here built the test turd?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu?
PinkPosixPXE: 12:51 <+Adlai> why does the damn thing say "blockchain.info" though >_< << It says "Verify Balance at" (on top) then "Blockchain.info" at the bottom, for idiots I suppose.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: building.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ich bin nicth ein berlincoder!
asciilifeform: ehe
asciilifeform: anyone who can't build that one, has problems, given as it is almost virginal
ben_vulpes: wrote my own patch ripping out upnp dependency, build is now taking forever.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, you're right, i imagine the few blacks that are here get a lot of white wimminz
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: broadcast it!
mircea_popescu: srsly, just because i can do most of the tasks one can do with a computer does not mean im particularly good at it.
undata: anybody know how big the testnet blockchain is?
mircea_popescu: undata it gets reset periodically iirc
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "let me fly the plane! i've got like 20 sim hours!"
asciilifeform isn't especially good at it either, and can't even remember how he was provoked into doing it
undata: mircea_popescu: so tiny, k
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes moar like "lemme pull on that plunger. sims are for sissies anyway."
ben_vulpes: that's a narrow hair from "just one more bag - it'll be fine."
asciilifeform: build is now taking forever << wai wat!? takes ~3 minutes on my (ancient, circa '07) box
mircea_popescu: cazalla you'd prolly love argentina. basically their citizenship criteria is "are you black ?", and black people are stuck doing street vending.
mircea_popescu: i've yet to see a mixed couple on the street
Mikayla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dauJIa55fFs
assbot: Allan Gray Pretty Percy - YouTube
Mikayla: amazing advert and song
Mikayla: think you guys will enjoy it
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm running it in a debian vm
Mikayla: deep and thought provoking for less than a minute vid
ben_vulpes: turds in turds on turds
asciilifeform: debian vm << running on what, x86 emulator on 'nintendo' ?
ben_vulpes: macos
asciilifeform: lolos
mircea_popescu: Mikayla wtf is an allan gray
kakobrekla: north apple is best apple.
Mikayla: investment company
asciilifeform: incidentally, anyone here a collector/connoisseur of ancient game machines?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: mocking paupers :(
asciilifeform: and knows of one with civilized rng
cazalla: mircea_popescu, fwiw, even if you were the biggest blackest nigger in all of the lands, i'd still come here each day and listen
Mikayla: lol
asciilifeform: would be hilarious to port the 'red' half of bitcoind to that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wasn't it illegal to have a game machine with rng ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'commodore-64' was legal
mircea_popescu: cazalla well then, i got a confession to make.
asciilifeform: though not strictly a game machine
Mikayla: cazalla kinda harsh?
Mikayla: lol
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: north apple is best apple << that'd be soviet 'agat' computer ?
asciilifeform: (apple-II clone)
cazalla: Mikayla, how is that harsh? i just said i don't really care, i just go for low hanging troll fruits
mircea_popescu: "and the snake then tempted eve to upgrade"
asciilifeform: mocking paupers << lol, if ben_vulpes is pauper, i must be... a dervish?
mircea_popescu: you're alternatively paupered.
asciilifeform likes this concept
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: at any rate, this is doubly funny to me, given that i grew up associating apple hardware with 'decadent rich'
cazalla: while i was sleeping "fivezerotwo> let's talk" has he been around?
mircea_popescu: http://bitcoin-otc.com/newsite/viewratingdetail.php?nick=mircea_popescu <<< lol poor nano is running out of red ink and font thickness
assbot: Rating Details for User 'mircea_popescu'
Adlai: sometimes the line between retard and genius blurs: https://i.imgur.com/m09yFoF.mp4
mircea_popescu: ;;seen fivezerotwo
gribble: fivezerotwo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 18 hours, 11 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <fivezerotwo> That's doubtful, perhaps you got banned
cazalla: ;;later tell fivezerotwo i was asleep, email or say whatever it is you want to say in pm
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: wasn't it illegal to have a game machine with rng << reminds me of...
asciilifeform: '...since there're SO many Sega 64s floating around in the States and indeed, the world, there's probably many people alive today who wouldn't be if their governments could crack their secure messages. I'm told that at least two democratic revolutions were made possible, in part, due to PGP S-64. Right now, myself and several others are attempting to create a version of StegoSaur for the S-64. That one extra
asciilifeform: layer of protection could be very useful for a lot of people in the future, the way things are going in most of the world. We do have the stripper for the S-64 that strips the hidden data from a StegoSaur file, but it really should go both ways."'
asciilifeform: (ancient work of fiction! http://www.textfiles.com/groups/CDC/cDc-0269.txt )
asciilifeform: ah, and, is the turdomatic broadcast station ready? (jurov ?)
asciilifeform nominates mac and win32 ifdefs for next firing squad
asciilifeform: and, naturally, ssl
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> decadent rich << describes clients and their target customers quite well
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes manufactures fine golden toilets ?
ben_vulpes: i and boys slave in golden cage, fabbing golden toilets
asciilifeform: need test-shitter ?
asciilifeform: !s saxophone
assbot: 2 results for 'saxophone' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=saxophone
bounce: re nanotube running out of red, bit of a sign the communication isn't working, so more of the same isn't really the proper answer.
bounce: but hey, maybe he just likes that 1995 look, who knows
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: spitoon, rather.
asciilifeform: lol re: util.cpp ! /dev/urandom !?
asciilifeform: and the turd's 'GetPerformanceCounter()' actually uses unix epoch time on non-winblows systems.
asciilifeform: never-ending lulzmine
asciilifeform wonders what to do if he finds, well, an anal orifice
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47700 @ 0.00074148 = 35.3686 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: builds, runs.
asciilifeform: congrats ben_vulpes
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes fuhrer of new reactionary btc phoundation ?
ben_vulpes: !up nubbins`
ben_vulpes: impostor
nubbins`: tyvm
nubbins`: busy weekend but have been reading logs. asciilifeform, sounds like your surgery is going well so far
nubbins`: bitcoin foundation charter looks good, i may propose some minor changes when i get a chance to give it another read
asciilifeform: nubbins`: surgery was minor shave. just to demonstrate concept of what kind of turd jurov's turdomatic ought to accept
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: next step is to coerce 'git' into pooping out sane patch
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: tried this, was disappointed
nubbins`: asciilifeform nod. your chicken recipe follows a nice format too
asciilifeform: went with ordinary diff -uNr a b > bitcoin-blahblah.patch
ben_vulpes: am now squarely out of competence zone
ben_vulpes: 'competence'
asciilifeform: forget git here
asciilifeform: doesn't help.
thestringpuller: turd surgery
thestringpuller: the turd is polished?
nubbins`: thestringpuller heh
asciilifeform: frozen turd on lathe.
nubbins`: i had dick surgery last night
nubbins`: and the room fell silent
cazalla: well how much did they remove nubbins`
bounce: "git format-patch" no good, why?
asciilifeform: try it
nubbins`: cazalla only the frequencies i don't really use
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/uGhZmTJ
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: i swear that's me beside the bright yellow light
bounce: used it often enough. seems to work reasonably well.
cazalla: someone is blocking the fire exit
asciilifeform: !s patch binaries
assbot: 7 results for 'patch binaries' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=patch+binaries
asciilifeform solved this by abolishing all non-ascii crud from package, would like to suggest this as a permanent condition
bounce: venue people's job to check all fire exits before the party starts and keep 'em open during, too.
jurov: <mircea_popescu> lol poor nano is running out of red ink and font thickness << there's always the blink tag
bounce doesn't object to ascii-only. 80 cols max while at it please.
bounce: blink got deimplemented to the point that people're reimplementing it with javascript.
mircea_popescu: well... "people"
jurov: <asciilifeform> turdomatic broadcast station ready? << on it
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: tooling question: when working on the actual c files, should i be working in a parallel directory and then diff -uNr original_dir my_dir > patch.diff?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i've an actual 'a' and 'b'
asciilifeform: so yes.
ben_vulpes: mkay.
asciilifeform would like to turn this into an unofficial 'gentoo' overlay at some point
asciilifeform: but the canonical copy (to the extent this term makes sense here) should probably be distributed via jurov's turdatron.
nubbins`: <+cazalla> someone is blocking the fire exit <<< that's actually the guitarist
nubbins`: he barfed all over Ted's bass after
ben_vulpes: turd_vendor
asciilifeform wonders if this escapade will progress much faster than one could reasonably expect, on account of people like jurov, mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes - who actually use bitcoin 'in anger' - succumbing to the temptation to release some of their secret mods.
ben_vulpes: i doubt it, but who can ever tell.
jurov: sadly no secret mods here. my wet dreams are dedicated to haskoin
asciilifeform: well - the spittoon is here. shiny, new, brass. spit away, gentlemen.
jurov: but i consider this effor immensely useful
nubbins`: asciilifeform what's the current line count?
asciilifeform: find b/ -xtype f -print0 | xargs -0 wc -l
asciilifeform: 26321 total.
asciilifeform: includes various junk though.
TheNewDeal: in reference to the talk about nail guns before, they would definitely be useful as a weapon for inflicting fatal wounds, and they can be purchased at your local hardware store. my opinion
asciilifeform: nubbins` et al can easily answer questions like that on his own
undata: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2k9v8q/givedirectly_claims_aid_system_is_broken_and_the/ << LOOOL advocating giving bitcoin to the poor
assbot: GiveDirectly claims Aid system is broken and the most efficient aid system is ... giving direct cash to the poor using *new technology* . Should we mail them? : Bitcoin
undata: and they will spend it how?
nubbins`: too true :/
jurov: give them microscopes!
undata: maybe paper wallets provided there's anywhere to spend one in person (there isn't)
nubbins`: that's actually not bad, only ~425 pages
cazalla: TheNewDeal, you know that's not even an option here for if you used it on an intruder, you would need to explain "legitimate use" for keeping a nailgun next to your bed or in bedroom
asciilifeform: nubbins`: most of that crud really does not belong on a printed page.
nubbins`: budgeting 60 lines per page as a rough guide
nubbins`: nod
TheNewDeal: that's not what the talk was about
asciilifeform: cazalla: nailgun does not have a barrel in the usual sense.
undata: TheNewDeal: sure fatal wounds but if you're offing yourself, aren't there quicker ways?
undata: nailgun seems like a good way to bleed out slowly
TheNewDeal: it was speculation on a banker killing himself with a nail gun
asciilifeform: not really useful other than against self or a hogtied 'client'
nubbins`: cazalla so rip a hole in your wall
TheNewDeal: nubbins` so practical...
nubbins`: dude do you even reno
undata: or you just end up this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage
assbot: Phineas Gage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
undata: and that was with a railroad spike
TheNewDeal: you could shoot yourself in the head and end up like gage too
TheNewDeal: but is it likely
asciilifeform: there's a moderately-well-documented case of a (small caliber) pistol lobotomy.
undata: asciilifeform: my stepdad used to fly medevac helicopters, saw more than a couple botched suicides that merely blew off the person's face
asciilifeform: ah those are SOP
jurov: SOP lmao
asciilifeform: afaik, normally poor shotgun technique
TheNewDeal: i've seen a guy who did it with a shotgun (many years after)
TheNewDeal: but if you're going to play russian roulette and hope to come out alive, good luck with your odds
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: ever see 'nagant' revolver? the item 'russian roulette' was originally played with.
undata: haha, "russian roulette at shotgun odds" << I will use this to describe a fucked situation later.
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: they're reasonably common in usa. the revelation: one could cheat.
TheNewDeal: negatron, not a gun nut
asciilifeform: the way it was built, the ratchet was not engaged when drum was spinning. a single round would settle to the bottom (opposite of barrel line.)
asciilifeform: so folks would play (on a bet, naturally) with opponent who did not know this.
asciilifeform: 1890s design.
asciilifeform: the 'correct' (honest) way to play was to pull trigger while spinning.
TheNewDeal: was more of a euphemism, not meant to be literal
asciilifeform: i tell this story because english speakers invariably speak of 'russian roulette' without knowing this tidbit.
TheNewDeal: true, did not know the story
TheNewDeal: but seriously, suicide rates would probably go up if people switched from shotgun to nail gun
asciilifeform: another game, invented by the same folks who brought us 'russian roulette' (imperial-era cavalry officers, bored out of their skulls) was called 'cuckoo'
asciilifeform: two men in an entirely dark room, with nagants, take turns calling out 'cuckoo'
asciilifeform: opponent fires at sound.
TheNewDeal: oooo this game looks like a good drinking game
TheNewDeal: oh
TheNewDeal: looking at some different card game
undata: this fits with my perception of russia perfectly
undata: hahaha
kakobrekla: "drinking game" - never understood this concept.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the only 'drinking game' that ever made sense to me was the chess set with the hollow pieces
asciilifeform: capture piece, must drink it
asciilifeform: auto-equalization of strength, at least, in theory
undata: that's pretty good
kakobrekla: master will have tolerance.
asciilifeform: naturally.
asciilifeform: hence why he is master.
kakobrekla: and fucked up livers.
asciilifeform: master of anything, will have some fucked up organ.
undata: probably 8 shots worth at normal sized pieces?
TheNewDeal: it's mostly a ploy to get the women to drink as much as the men
asciilifeform can't really picture woman playing this game
asciilifeform: !up nubbins`
TheNewDeal: The people that I would drink and play these card games with typically arent the chess sort. Although I do play Catan with another set of friends, and we often drink while playing
bounce: "chess boxing"
asciilifeform: !s chess boxing
assbot: 0 results for 'chess boxing' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=chess+boxing
asciilifeform: eh.
asciilifeform: !s alcoholic chess
assbot: 0 results for 'alcoholic chess' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=alcoholic+chess
TheNewDeal: !
asciilifeform: could've sworn BingoBoingo discussed this.
TheNewDeal: This is a travesty
undata: are you guys hacking the rpc bits out of bitcoind?
ben_vulpes: undata: 'twould be nice.
asciilifeform: undata: i suggested it, but turns out it would take some actual work
undata: how would automated services be written?
ben_vulpes: talk to the binary running on the machine.
undata: or is that not in the scope of this client?
ben_vulpes: also, not really in the scope.
undata: that's fine
ben_vulpes: build time down to a minute.
asciilifeform: undata, ben_vulpes: other serial port. (the one not connected to tx synthesis box)
decimation: lol ran 'sloccount' on your stripped distro ascii
decimation: Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 19,899
asciilifeform waits for mircea_popescu to chime in with 'i've been running just this since '11...'
decimation: Total Estimated Cost to Develop = $ 624,330 (average salary = $56,286/year, overhead = 2.40).
asciilifeform: decimation: convert to, e.g., grams of cocaine while you're at it
decimation: let's get it below $100k !
decimation: hehe
decimation: yeah dependency on openssl for ecdsa is ugly
asciilifeform: and for keygen!
decimation: surely there's some free reference implementation somewhere
bounce: "physical sloc". sheesh.
decimation: we could count the number of cards it would take
ben_vulpes: undata: few automated services need to send btc.
jurov: even by hand, need toinject txs somehow
ben_vulpes: qrcode :D
punkman: maybe of interest https://github.com/kmackay/micro-ecc
assbot: kmackay/micro-ecc GitHub
jurov: pffft. what about just trivial protocol via unix socket like
asciilifeform: ^
jurov: SUBMIT <tx in hex>
jurov: and bitocind replies OK
asciilifeform: except rs232 and not unix socket from same box
asciilifeform: don't shit in the kitchen, don't eat in the toilet
jurov: you want to hardwire /dev/tty0 to the implementation?
asciilifeform: who said hardwire
jurov: er.. /dev/ttyS0
asciilifeform: just include as config
asciilifeform: idiots who want to eat from toilet bowl, can loopback the thing into a tx gen on same box.
asciilifeform: there's your mechanism, there.
asciilifeform: no need for fancy contortions like unix-sockets
jurov: i'd prefer another trivial piece that relays between unix socket and ttyS0 or qr reader or whatever
asciilifeform: why not just have the daemon (nonblocking) listen on /dev/ttyxxx (virtual) ?
jurov: or if exclusively one client is wanted, then just pass pipe file descriptor
jurov: ok, i have no problem with pty either
decimation: yeah use pty
asciilifeform: this, among other reasons, is why to junk win32 port
TheNewDeal: did burnside ever get in trouble with the sec?
decimation: people who insist on windows can use the turdmeister's bitcoind
asciilifeform: or vm
asciilifeform: i bet hanbot has a dual-machine bitcoin mechanism, with 'nintendo' on other side
asciilifeform: or soviet calculator
hanbot: lmao
hanbot: lite-brite
asciilifeform: star-lite, star-brite, sign this here tx tonight
TheNewDeal: ;;nethash
gribble: 274802956.09
hanbot: haha! where are the burning man btc gizmos anyway, i want a bitonkadonk
bounce: soviet slide rule
asciilifeform contemplates mechanical ecdsa
jurov: one can multiply 256bit numbers with slide rule?
jurov: or with gearbox?
asciilifeform: helix.
jurov: i'm all ears
asciilifeform: e.g. http://sliderulemuseum.com/Australia/CO_Browne_Cylindrical_SlideRule_PhotoByJohnWolff.jpg
assbot: 403 Forbidden
asciilifeform: http://www.hpmuseum.org/big/fullclse.jpg
asciilifeform: http://cs.stmarys.ca/~dawson/sliderule1.jpg
asciilifeform: ^ best
asciilifeform: etc
TheNewDeal: going to replace google searches with ascii searches from now on
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/mcxnow-shuts-down-for-maintenance-again/
assbot: mcxNOW Shuts Down For Maintenance (Again) | Qntra.net
hanbot: #1 looks like it could put the fun in functional
asciilifeform: put the fun in telefunken.
hanbot: lol
asciilifeform: http://www.tube-classics.de/TC/Klangfilm/EurodynAmps/KLV401/KLV401-1.jpg << nazi bitcoin node
TheNewDeal: hahahaa
TheNewDeal: hitler is satoshi!?!
asciilifeform: http://galleryplus.ebayimg.com/ws/web/231303104036_1_0_1/1000x1000.jpg << waffen-ss bitkistor tube
asciilifeform: eh.
undata: TheNewDeal: son of hitler, working in secret from Argentina
undata: side note, the german doctor was a good film
jurov: hitler gave birth to a son? they got helluva good job with the gender change
undata: jurov: lost nazi medicine
asciilifeform: !up nubbins`
nubbins`: TheNewDeal catan!
TheNewDeal: hell ya
nubbins`: there was this site, asobrain, had a brilliant and FAST knock-off java applet version
nubbins`: we're talking 30-45 minute cities & knights games
TheNewDeal: I've never finished a cities and knights game that quick
nubbins`: it really sped up the game
TheNewDeal: oooh
nubbins`: not having to fumble with setup every time
nubbins`: shuffling tiles, those round shits, etc
nubbins`: stacks of cards everywhere
TheNewDeal: It'd be nice to have a bitcoin base game, but it would be hard to not have collusion
nubbins`: anyway, they eventually disabled new signups because it was too intense
jurov places an order for slide rule with about 2^256 notches
jurov: maaaaybe 2^64 will do
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: too intense?
nubbins`: the guy running it claimed that he wanted to spare newcomers from the crippling addiction
TheNewDeal: hahahaha
TheNewDeal: catanaddicts.com
nubbins`: while letting existing ones live out their remaining whithered days exchanging wheat for sheep
nubbins`: until they starve at their keyboards
TheNewDeal: I like to subtley call "wheat" "weed." Wanna trade some weed for sheep?
nubbins`: http://grenouillebouillie.wordpress.com/2014/10/25/building-all-the-major-open-source-web-browsers/
assbot: Building all the major open-source web browsers | Grenouille Bouillie
TheNewDeal: Trades are verbally binding in catan ya know
nubbins`: nah
nubbins`: trade's official when you let someone touch your card
TheNewDeal: what if you trick them as to which card?
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/woman-uses-stomach-wallet-instead-of-brain-wallet/
assbot: Woman Uses Stomach Wallet Instead Of Brain Wallet | Qntra.net
asciilifeform: uterus wallet.
TheNewDeal: when are smugglers going to learn about bitcoin?
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: 'there are good spies, there are famous spies, but no good+famous spies.'
nubbins`: tricking = no fair
Duffer1: http://s102.photobucket.com/user/CelebrityCollages/media/ew-1.jpg.html the smuggler in question?
assbot: ew-1.jpg Photo by CelebrityCollages | Photobucket
TheNewDeal: nubbins` do you ever see if people will trade and then play the dev card that confiscates all the resource of one type?
cazalla: dat ass
nubbins`: TheNewDeal that's frowned upon
nubbins`: good way to find yourself on the wrong end of everyone else's cards 8)
TheNewDeal: we get pretty cut throat in our games, but you risk an unofficial trade ban if you pull it off
nubbins`: hm
nubbins`: we should discuss this further
nubbins`: for now, i must head out
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://cascadianhacker.com/rm_rf_upnp.tar.gz << am i doing it correctly?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there's a whole lot more upnp in there
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: point is not to simply disable flag, but to whittle down the turd bitwise
jurov: is everyone okay with the mailinglist being on therealbitcoin.org domain?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: string 'pnp' shouldn't occur in the resulting tree
asciilifeform: jurov: why not
ben_vulpes: ah.
asciilifeform: jurov: my suggestion was to have a plain-text view of the list (incl. patches that passed magic sig) visible there.
asciilifeform: perhaps with the name of the submitter parse out and diplayed conveniently
asciilifeform: ('table' tag?)
asciilifeform: if patch was signed by > 1 person - their name(s) too.
asciilifeform: display, is, naturally, not a substitute for checking sigs on own box!
jurov: i'm doing standard mailman archives
ben_vulpes: jurov: i'd love to see it at f9beb4d9.org
jurov: what's that?
ben_vulpes: the network magic bytes for mainnet
ben_vulpes: perhaps too obscure
ben_vulpes: if only mircea_popescu were still giving away domains...
asciilifeform: i'd throw it in 'nosuchlabs.com' but the turd lathe undertaking isn't really mine.
ben_vulpes: doesn't matter.
ben_vulpes: wherever's clever.
asciilifeform: jurov: how are you handling detached gpg sigs in mailman ?
decimation: jurov do you want my xbtfoundation.org?
jurov: at first only this https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/558189
assbot: Bug #558189 (sf-1167696) add support for PGP and S/MIME encrypt... : Bugs : GNU Mailman
jurov: still looking into it how to deal with attachments
TheNewDeal: I apologize for the off topic questions, but does friedcat have a gpg key?
jurov: you want to send patches in above tar.gz format?
asciilifeform: jurov: unless you can think of a better idea
asciilifeform: jurov: inline sigs end up with patch mutilated into uselessness with escape chars
jurov: ah that
asciilifeform: jurov: important thing is that patches and sigs must stay married
asciilifeform: jurov: also at some point we ought to have people sign off on others' patches, once they read
asciilifeform: this is why i was so preoccupied (see yesterday's log) with keeping them as small as physically possible
jurov: ic, the tarball is easy be signed by others
asciilifeform: pgp/gpg mandatory mutilation of clearsigned text makes me retch
asciilifeform: but we're stuck with it.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> jurov: also at some point we ought to have people sign off on others' patches, once they read << would a new tarball with sig attached suffice?
asciilifeform: ugly
asciilifeform: ideally, we'd have a patch and a collection of detached sigs of the plain ascii of the patch
ben_vulpes: responses to patch thread with sigs?
asciilifeform: to feed into some mechanized viewer at a later time
jurov: no it's looking like one attachment the tarball, another attachment the signature
jurov: which must be named similarly
jurov: other people shall reply and send only their signatures
jurov: with same names
asciilifeform: signatures of ascii patch?
asciilifeform: or tarred
jurov: when multiple files are needed, can be tarred
asciilifeform: possible to have two attachments, plain ascii patch - and, second, detached sig of the former ?
asciilifeform: i suggest one patch file per patch
asciilifeform: as with my example
asciilifeform: merging, incidentally, will be a bitch.
asciilifeform: and nothing can really be done about this.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: to digress, what's the rationale behind keeping makefile.linux-mingw?
asciilifeform: none
jurov: it'll actually be fileformat and filecount agnostic...
asciilifeform: i simply didn't zap win32, left it for other folks
jurov: as long as each patch can be uniquely identified and paired with relevant sigs
asciilifeform: jurov: so, describe procedure for posting
asciilifeform: mail message with - body, sig of body, attachment1 (patch), attachment2 (sig of patch) ?
jurov: thus ... for every attachment named patch-author-id attach also patch-author-id.sig
asciilifeform: what about message body? (text)
jurov: and whoever want to sign it, sends patch-author-id.sig too
jurov: is message body so important?
asciilifeform: spam control
jurov: *text
asciilifeform: barbarians should not be able to piss in the soup
jurov: Yes. then the patch above can be used: "A post will be distributed only if the PGP signature on the post is from one of the list members."
asciilifeform: there we go.
jurov: i have to try it first what the "signature on the post" means if it si not S/MIME
jurov: then i'll report
asciilifeform: incidentally, anyone ever screened the pnSeed[] crap for known shitgnome ip ranges ?
asciilifeform: (net.cpp)
asciilifeform: not that they're this stupid - but then again...
ben_vulpes: dashjr...
ben_vulpes: wrong seed.
asciilifeform: !s dashjr
assbot: 1 results for 'dashjr' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=dashjr
asciilifeform: luke?
ben_vulpes: the same.
asciilifeform missed this
ben_vulpes: "dnsseed.bitcoin.dashjr.org",
asciilifeform likes mircea_popescu tip for user-configurable magic numbers for all magicnumberconstants
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: does "tree" entail "contrib" as well?
asciilifeform: i zapped it
ben_vulpes: ag
asciilifeform: project is, my understanding, about essential functionality
ben_vulpes: ah
asciilifeform: i.e. that which 'bitcoinates'
asciilifeform: gilding can be applied to the lily - later.
asciilifeform: we want, i dare say, a basic minimal 'bitkistor.'
ben_vulpes: kistor?
asciilifeform: a la resistor
asciilifeform: thyristor
asciilifeform: etc
asciilifeform: bitk-.
ben_vulpes: yes yes
ben_vulpes: whence the k tho
asciilifeform: i don't like what english does to 'c'.
asciilifeform: at any rate, what do i even have to do with this. cough up yer own name.
ben_vulpes: you're the literate one...
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform shudders to think what illiteracy looks like, if this were so
ben_vulpes: the test-bitcoin line in makefile.unix - is that where i should look for running tests?
asciilifeform never tried this
asciilifeform: if planning to screw with the things those are testing - might want to
ben_vulpes: i have zero familiarity with the c ecosystem
ben_vulpes: would like to run tests, write tests, etc
asciilifeform: seems to contain very basic tests for things like script
ben_vulpes: oh lol
ben_vulpes: test_bitcoin.cpp
asciilifeform: satoshi's 0.1 does not include them
asciilifeform: no idea about his last release
ben_vulpes: this is kind of terrifying.
ben_vulpes: i build the thing, and then boot it, and if getblockcount increments under my eye - it passes?
ben_vulpes: surely there's more rigor possible than this.
asciilifeform: only way to even begin test, is to fire it in anger
ben_vulpes: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=25881.0 << tragedy
assbot: [RFC] Bitcoin QA : Continuous integration, testing robot
asciilifeform: tragedy << comedy
asciilifeform: 'testing can reveal the presence of bugs, but never their absence.' (dijkstra?)
ben_vulpes shrugs
ben_vulpes: i'd like to have a thing that built a patch; booted the resulting artifact on testnet, mined some TN coins, sent them to itself, etc
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: why not? go write.
ben_vulpes: right right
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/conformal-release-bitcoin-transaction-simulator/ might be of some interest to some
assbot: Conformal Release Bitcoin Transaction Simulator | Qntra.net
ben_vulpes: what are the stats of this "one machine"?
cazalla: they don't say, i'll send an email
cazalla: actually, ben_vulpes was that even in response to article or chat above
ben_vulpes: article.
ben_vulpes: cazalla: ^^
kakobrekla: > A single machine acting as a full node takes approximately 10 minutes to verify and process a 32 MB block, meaning that a 32 MB block size is near the maximum one could expect to handle with 1 machine acting as a full node < but how is a single machine going to catch up when it falls behind ? never ?
ben_vulpes: myeah.
ben_vulpes: watch that turn out to be an aws maxi-sized VPS
kakobrekla: never ? < ah i got it. wait 18 months for computing power to double
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://cascadianhacker.com/rm_rf_upnp.tar.gz << i believe this excises all upnp mentions. my build hops on the network and downloads blocks. ☟︎
asciilifeform: 32 MB block << obligatory: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2014#811154 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-08-2014 01:00:10; asciilifeform: 'pardon my cynical twist, but what are you doing with that 20,000×20,000 double-precision floating point matrix you say you need to invert _today_? If you answer "nutt'n, I jus kinda wondered what it'd be like, you know", you should be very happy that I am most likely more than 3000 miles away from you, or I would come over and slap you hard.'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: neato
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: toss it in jurov's turdatron when the latter's ready.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: considering that this fix should not have changed the built binary one byte, you probably did not need to do the live-fire test.
asciilifeform: (assuming you had upnp disabled in flags before)
ben_vulpes: did indeed.
ben_vulpes: best to do it correctly, though. and binaries are not my concern - source is.
asciilifeform: if making 'cosmetic' change, can diff the binaries (after stripping debug crud)
ben_vulpes: does UPNP removal count as a cosmetic change?
asciilifeform: if it was zapped by flag to begin with
asciilifeform: (as on any sane build)
ben_vulpes: it's at least an example of the desired process.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: note that 'hops on the network and downloads blocks' is not necessarily equivalent to 'works'
kakobrekla: in reality no one will ever know if it works.
asciilifeform: see dijkstra, yes.
asciilifeform: although, i'll spill the one bean, that the point of my particular long-term 'fits in head' compaction for it, is to determine (for my own perverse pleasure) whether: it works.
ben_vulpes: what a turd
ben_vulpes: what a miserable, beautiful turd.
asciilifeform: where's the beauty?
asciilifeform: wish i could see it.
kakobrekla: 'fits in head' < meh, some folks fit 50k digits of pi in ther head.
kakobrekla: their*
asciilifeform: not enough to fit in your stomach, for something to be food.
asciilifeform: can fit a kg or two of cement there.
kakobrekla: exactly
asciilifeform: when i say 'fits in head', i mean in the same way mechanism of doorknob, or kalashnikov.
kakobrekla: the test "if you can stomach" it is not the best one imho
asciilifeform: stomach+digest.
ben_vulpes: if it does what it says on the tin, i find it a vastly more palatable meal than say a dollar
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: as kakobrekla pointed out, this cannot be established - at least, quite certainly not given the extant turd.
ben_vulpes: few things are certain even to those capable of reasoning about them. i must fumble in the dark making guesses. my guess though, is that some parts of it work.
ben_vulpes: but tis but a guess and that guess from me, and discounts should be applied heavily.
kakobrekla: still this is very arbitrary. can expect to stuff this in avg head and also on the other hand some people can digest some funky shit.
kakobrekla: s/can/cant
asciilifeform: a theoretically minimal bitcoinator will not fit in 'avg head,' no.
asciilifeform: 'things can be made as simple as possible, not simpler.'
kakobrekla: just saying the standard is poorly defined.
asciilifeform: https://pp.vk.me/c7001/c618816/v618816635/1e44b/Bt6xoFbT-Vo.jpg