assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.00074617 = 26.7875 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 20-09-2015 23:09:19; adlai: pgp is just silly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12560 @ 0.0007443 = 9.3484 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61440 @ 0.0007443 = 45.7298 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17871 @ 0.00074498 = 13.3135 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32097 @ 0.00074634 = 23.9553 BTC [+] {3}
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 231.95, Best ask: 231.97, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 231.97, 24 hour volume: 3523.07376493, 24 hour low: 231.4, 24 hour high: 233.38, 24 hour vwap: None
ben_vulpes: log is showing lines that my irc client is not
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00074891 = 12.6191 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: eh, forcing people do things isn't the best strategy anyway.
adlai: !v assbot:adlai.unrate.deedbot-:76571928fcc755b2f8a24c1c31b84255cad1497770f9f056a37084e366b73afa
assbot: Successfully unrated deedbot-
adlai: hey it urned us a buck dinnit?
mircea_popescu: trinque other than the silliness of trying to force people to do things, the more general problem with not publishing code is that it creates a world of perverse incentives for one,
mircea_popescu: sooner than later you'll find yourself chasing your tail because of it.
trinque: I'd probably be a lot more willing to shoot the guy a tarball without the antics
adlai: ... well at least it respects revocations!
mircea_popescu: well that;s kinda people publish it rather than passing it along on a p2p basis. saves them the effort of evaluating everyone's antics.
adlai: trinque: what can i say, drama is a lifestyle
adlai wonders what's wrong with 34TTQ2X.txt, curl|gpg eats it just fine
adlai: you mean the quoted public key block getting interpreted as a valid one?
mircea_popescu: adlai what is your notion of "never" and "another message" anyway.
adlai: those notions are uncontrovertial, neither is "forseen"
adlai: ie, if another message is signed, the key was cracked
adlai: (or dignork asked for a challenge)
adlai: lolkay, s/sign/deed/
danielpbarron: step 1) sign contract step 2) recieve payment of some sort step 3) revoke key and claim "cracked" when counterparty tries to make an appeal
adlai: idiot counterparty should've deeded it!
trinque: adlai: as for the one with a sig wrapping a sig, I'll have to update the code first.
adlai: trinque: this is rather weird now
adlai has another idea...
trinque: nah that one looks right; maybe I busted something earlier.
trinque: adlai: wtf, you revoked that key
adlai: free testing is worth what you pay for it!
trinque: truly a professional troll
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.000744 = 17.2608 BTC [-] {5}
adlai: who knew losing backups could be this fun
mircea_popescu: hey cazalla : i need a noob crafter to make me a tool in eulora, hopefully get some recipe copies.
adlai scratches head at deedbot-
adlai: this bug is actually far stranger than i can even imagine
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42800 @ 0.00074325 = 31.8111 BTC [-]
trinque: adlai: not really that weird; gpg ignores data outside a header/footer pair
trinque: including a dangling header where the footer is chopped off
trinque: and my regex is currently quite happy to do so for wrapped messages
adlai wonders whether there should be any way to "cancel" a deed
adlai: (before the hourly commitment)
adlai blames the long stressful day at the troll mines
cazalla: mircea_popescu, don't have a client to do so (nuked windows drive with the win ver)
cazalla: and couldn't get it running on ubuntu last i tried
mircea_popescu: cool cause if i don't manage to get this old screens recipe replicated we're sol without screens.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00074894 = 29.1338 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Teen prosecuted as adult for having naked images – of himself – on phone | US news | The Guardian ... (
http://bit.ly/1LqMC0L )
BingoBoingo: cazalla: That was already covered on qntra a while back
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25450 @ 0.00074916 = 19.0661 BTC [+] {3}
cazalla: the fuck is the guardian recycling 3 week old stories for then? (you know, i also read about the ISIS dinar again this morning)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47850 @ 0.00074994 = 35.8846 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26366 @ 0.00075011 = 19.7774 BTC [+]
mod6: nice, thanks asciilifeform!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00075029 = 13.6928 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00075068 = 17.3407 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48600 @ 0.00075127 = 36.5117 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00074668 = 13.8509 BTC [-]
assbot: You have not rated adlai.
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 2 for adlai with note: horseman of common lisp robopocalypse
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: your naming conventions are lovely
Birdman: Someone to invest the money to bank roll my play for expected profits
Birdman: They are not in the wot and dont use any authentication, though tournaments usually make collusion not profitable
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: familiar with 'caribou mathematics contest'?
ben_vulpes: Birdman: i'm taking the girl on a cross-state line run, but please tell me later how tournaments make collusion unprofitable
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: came in on the local homeschooling wotwire
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> people take investors to play poker now ?!! << this is older than litecoin.
mircea_popescu: nevada casinos gross in the billions. it's a distraction.
mircea_popescu: why would someone pay some other fella to fuck his wife in his stead ?
cazalla: Birdman, i know a game up in binghamton, ya interested?
cazalla: full of municipal workers but i reckon you could take it down
Birdman: I appreciate the offer but that is too far for me
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 02:32:46; asciilifeform: Bucephalus: 216.15.33.203:8333
cazalla: busted muh steam games (tf2 and csgo) in the process somehow, prob all the shit i installed at the cli without having a clue what it was
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15459 @ 0.00074445 = 11.5085 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00075234 = 23.9244 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: cazalla betcha you didn't do the export lines like it's said in the recipe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00074411 = 11.4965 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: hey mike_c if you read this... need a super noob crafter in eulora. or i guess mod6 ? you ever crafted mod6 ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00074411 = 12.8731 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00074758 = 28.2585 BTC [+]
mod6: mircea_popescu: i'm somewhere around lvl 70 crafter.
mod6: looking for someone with lower rank?
mod6: I successfully made a samovar once, and then turned my attention to mining :]
mod6: ah ok. thanks for checking though.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, obviously 50 windows and ran the commands in each one multiple times
cazalla: seriously though, tried to cook it on 14.04, nfi if that is why i had issues but probable given guide is for 10.04
cazalla: can settle for 12.04 but steam does not work on 10.04 so useless for me for desktop
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00074411 = 14.0265 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: cazalla did the first step (compiling cal3d) return with errors ?
cazalla: spat out all manner of shit that might as well be in another language
cazalla: configure.in didn't have a line with AM_USE_UNITTESTCPP to comment out either
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11082 @ 0.00074758 = 8.2847 BTC [+]
cazalla: i'll dig another hdd out the garage to install 10.04 on and try again
punkman: hmm, I see the backup gremlins have been working extra hard the last couple weeks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81700 @ 0.00074383 = 60.7709 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17243 @ 0.00074694 = 12.8795 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3276 @ 0.00074758 = 2.4491 BTC [+]
gribble: Current Blocks: 375438 | Current Difficulty: 5.933535123386657E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 376991 | Next Difficulty In: 1553 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 16 hours, 14 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7181 @ 0.00074758 = 5.3684 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.0007435 = 4.3867 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.0007435 = 4.1636 BTC [-]
punkman: "Public support for Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe fell after the passage of controversial national security bills, which could let troops fight overseas for the first time since the end of World War Two"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00074333 = 19.4009 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00074758 = 6.3171 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48500 @ 0.00074325 = 36.0476 BTC [-]
punkman: "There is an accusation that current British Prime minister David Cameron 'put his genitals in the mouth of a dead pig' in a frat style initiation ceremony. The book was co-written by one of his former colleagues and one of the biggest donors to Cameron's political party."
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00074325 = 13.2299 BTC [-]
assbot: [PSA] I end up losing 17% on P2P lending sites after 2 months. I strongly advise avoiding using them if you are a lender. : Bitcoin ... (
http://bit.ly/1Lr76ql )
shinohai: Lending to gamblers is always a great idea, fluffypony
punkman: I thought you were supposed to only lose ~20% a year
punkman: "How many investments did auto-invest make for you?" "About 30 on BTCJam. I'm hoping to turn the loss into profit with the Law of Big Numbers though I'm not optimistic."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16304 @ 0.00074518 = 12.1494 BTC [+]
cazalla: Invested:0.17 BTC.. almost like scammers trying to out-invest fellow scammers but get scammed themselves
mircea_popescu: the irony being that all this is EXACTLY like silicon valley vc / generally vc.
mircea_popescu: except those schmucks don't have friends in the printer house.
shinohai: 21 friggin scripts just to view an article. Fuck you coindesk.
cazalla: half expected to get some CPA offer at the end of that quiz shinohai
cazalla: then again, have ublock going so it probably had one but was blocked
shinohai: Or "Congrats, you passed! Here's some VC monies to get started."
fluffypony: how is knowing about BitLicense a "basic" of Bitcoin?
shinohai: I like mircea_popescu 's quiz better.
fluffypony: and I didn't become a certified anything :-P
mircea_popescu: im trying to think what'd be more irrelevant to bitcoin than "bitlicense".
mircea_popescu: o check it out, 2/3 items in cazalla's screenshot are about usgavin's scamcoin. and wtf is sabr.io
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28150 @ 0.00074471 = 20.9636 BTC [-] {3}
shinohai: sabr.io is that new venture that promises to help LE track down bitcoin criminals.
cazalla: "SABR monitors multiple blockchains to identify and locate criminal activity."
mircea_popescu: hm, anyone with a bunch of time on his hands wanna do some social media work for me ?
assbot: You rated user Anduck on 22-Dec-2014, with a rating of -5, and supplied these additional notes: idiot. does not understand how bitcoin works..
shinohai: mircea_popescu: What sort of social media work may I ask?
mircea_popescu: specifically : i need a large drawing to illustrate "death" in eulora. the job is to trawl the entire fucking site until you find GOOD, gothy-like drawings of at least 2k px wide, and show them to me
mircea_popescu: if i like em, ask the author if he'd like to have it featured in game, bring him over here, he gets some btc dust, all is well.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00074325 = 26.1624 BTC [-]
shinohai: I'll trawl some and see what I find. That artist that drew your bitcoin collage can't draw "death" ?
mircea_popescu: but i'd rather give some guy a chance to strike a conversation with deeply disturbed 16 yo girls first.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i don't really want line art. i want stuff more like that yeah
shinohai will attempt to find women that aren't sjw's and insane on deviantart
davout: "if we don't have a plausible scaling story soon, banks are going to start experimenting with permissioned blockchains."
mircea_popescu: how about banks start experimenting with fitting my cock up their uvula.
davout: every single time I think reddit has hit the bottom, it out-stupids itself
mircea_popescu: shinohai not bad but wrong proportion. i need landscape that's portrait.
davout: mircea_popescu: liked the "You know what gets no airplay ? Unflattering truth." a lot
davout: also pls to x.eur, we're the 21st...
jurov: hi davout, i requested x.eur delivery, still not on paymium
jurov: or it's waiting on mircea too?
mircea_popescu: you know who else liked it a lot ? twitter, apaprently!
shinohai: How have I been here ~6 moths and never found the trilema twitter account.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00075107 = 20.5042 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: because new chick on the block (social media expert in civil life) insisted to make a bunch of those shits YESTERDAY
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43004 @ 0.00074206 = 31.9115 BTC [-] {3}
punkman: did she buy a bunch of retweets?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4792 @ 0.00074113 = 3.5515 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: speaking of social media, allow me the first to mention that #BaeOfPigs is a thing, and probably the best hashtag ever conceived
shinohai: Goog God Gavin is a Fat Fuck, isn't he?
cazalla: i get the impression charlie lee and bobby lee are brothers in the sense some white american couple bought them from an orphanage or something
mircea_popescu idly hoovered over the faces, saw various VC minded folks, didn't realise retweets are a different rubric.
punkman: could be some kind of spamtweet exchange too. tweet shit, get credits, spend em on other tweets
mircea_popescu: it now occurs to me this is maybe not even coincidental.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 09:01:16; punkman: "There is an accusation that current British Prime minister David Cameron 'put his genitals in the mouth of a dead pig' in a frat style initiation ceremony. The book was co-written by one of his former colleagues and one of the biggest donors to Cameron's political party."
kakobrekla: i lost track of node, are dulap, zoolag and incitatus still in game?
VariaVarietatis: mircea_popescu: I got a question about one of the footnotes in that article vi if peter is trading away 80% of his company to Richard for 1m at a 5m valuation?(number she used) but selling it at a 20% discount does that mean the term value is 4m and the valuation is 5m how does that work?
mircea_popescu: anyway, 20% discount because he gets to own 20% of the million he brought himself, as well as of richard's company.
mircea_popescu: he doesn't trade 1mn for 20% of richard's company. he trades 1mn for 20% of richard's company and 20% of 1mn.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla but there's also my unnamed one as well as bucephalus or w/e the recent one got called.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00074681 = 2.8005 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22310 @ 0.00075224 = 16.7825 BTC [+]
VariaVarietatis: mircea_popescu: so he gets 200k cash 800k goes into the company account richard gets 80% peter gets 20% going from PP1 to PP2 here? also how does the note part work I thought notes didn't get converted into equity until the company investors or is he filling his own note? still lost.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 35150 @ 0.00024109 = 8.4743 BTC [-]
shinohai: thx kakobrekla for making list.
kakobrekla: which one is that, does it have a name?
VariaVarietatis: mircea_popescu: so the company only gets 20% of the 1mn, what about the other 80% where does that come in?
mircea_popescu: dude. richard has a fish. peter has a million. they make a deal, now peter has 20% of (fish+million).
mircea_popescu: so he paid 1mn for 20% of fish + 20% of million. so he paid in the end 800k for 20% of fish, so he got fish at 1mn with 20% discount.
davout: VariaVarietatis: when it's said peter owns 20% of the million after the deal, he owns it indirectly through richard's company that owns 1mn, he now owns 20% of
VariaVarietatis: davout: think got it. was getting mixed up thinking only 800k went in
VariaVarietatis: but discount comes from owning it after the money is already in.
davout: VariaVarietatis: to me it's just a confusing way of saying exactly the same thing
funkenstein_: Them footnotes made me think for a moment Ted Nelson's vision is finally springing to life :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35790 @ 0.00075224 = 26.9227 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00074113 = 21.3445 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39400 @ 0.00074016 = 29.1623 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13196 @ 0.00074002 = 9.7653 BTC [-]
davout: jurov: is mpex dead for you too? (empty stats)
assbot: Logged on 17-09-2015 00:37:40; asciilifeform: over, for the time being. zoolag @ 173.73.235.152:8333.
jurov: davout: don't see it (but yes, happens)
assbot: Logged on 10-09-2015 02:07:13; mircea_popescu: hm you know i think you're right, this is an older thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00074278 = 26.5172 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33350 @ 0.00074002 = 24.6797 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00074459 = 30.7516 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109650 @ 0.00073919 = 81.0522 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40207 @ 0.00073853 = 29.6941 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 04:56:41; mircea_popescu: romanian not really pete's strong language is it ?
pete_dushenski: it's like trying to read straight torah right out of the scrolls without ever having seen a layperson's text that distinguishing 'bet' from 'vet'
pete_dushenski: see ? socialism is statistically guaranteed to rot your brain. even socialists agree.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25050 @ 0.00073791 = 18.4846 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.0007376 = 12.7605 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.0007487 = 11.3428 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00075235 = 9.3291 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: "AMD's top microprocessor architect Jim Keller has walked from the chip vendor, just months after the company unveiled a shift in strategy to reinvest in high-end FX CPUs. Keller quit on Friday, having returned to AMD in 2012 after most recently working at Apple."
☟︎☟︎ pete_dushenski: and in still other news, "Apple has published a workaround after some iPhone and iPad users were left stranded in the middle of the iOS 9 update process. The Cupertino giant has acknowledged multiple complaints that devices were unable to progress past the "Slide to Upgrade" screen when moving to the latest version of iOS. Apple's remedy: wipe your device and hope you made a backup."
gernika: And this is actually ok because the contents of their devices is *worthless*.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00073954 = 6.434 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25092 @ 0.00073732 = 18.5008 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 15:28:09; pete_dushenski: "AMD's top microprocessor architect Jim Keller has walked from the chip vendor, just months after the company unveiled a shift in strategy to reinvest in high-end FX CPUs. Keller quit on Friday, having returned to AMD in 2012 after most recently working at Apple."
ascii_field: the one and only workstation-class chip that will run 100% blobless
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 14:37:42; pete_dushenski: see ? socialism is statistically guaranteed to rot your brain. even socialists agree.
thestringpuller: been syncing blockchain on essentially raspberry pi for 33 days and 1 hour
thestringpuller: It's not a raspi just in terms of power it's about a rasbpi
thestringpuller: even so it's going to cost about 80 bucks to sync a full blockchain from zulag or dulap - genesis to current.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78850 @ 0.00073579 = 58.017 BTC [-] {3}
ascii_field: ftr i don't get the point of running a node on vps
thestringpuller: i.e. more uptime, not all of us have business internet in our houses :P
ascii_field: it is rather like 'all you can eat soup' but with no spoon and your hands tied behind your back.
thestringpuller: VPS can magically change running code and storage? dis VPS skynet now?
thestringpuller: If VPS is magically changing blockchain the client would wedge which it has not...
thestringpuller: to change running process and storage in way that bitcoin client is validating invalid blocks...
☟︎ ascii_field: how often your machine validates ancient blocks ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.00075235 = 26.7837 BTC [+]
ascii_field: (if you think this happens on boot, you are mistaken - read the source.)
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Someone else runs the real machine your "virtual machine" runs on
thestringpuller: ascii_field: I will find out when I do --validate on the blocks on my local machine.
thestringpuller: the actual command is -checkblocks=0 no? (check all blocks on startup)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00075235 = 6.0188 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ascii_field: so it doesn't actually validate all the blocks? if I'm reading correctly it goes through all blocks in "best chain" if checkblocks is selected...
ascii_field: '%g is the application system, currently %gall (1300 lines) %gall is half process table and half systemd, sort of.' << satan preserve us.
☟︎ ascii_field: 'With this mechanism, Urbit can update a distributed system (such as our own :talk network), upgrading both applications and protocols, silently without user intervention or notification. ' << itching to try this yet ?
ascii_field: 'A sufficiently smart optimizer doesn't need to optimize every Nock formula that could calculate a decrement function. It only needs to optimize one: the one we actually run. The only one we run is the one compiled from the decrement function ++dec in the Hoon standard library. So there's no sense in which our sufficiently smart optimizer needs to analyze Nock formulas to see if they're decrement formulas. It only needs
ascii_field: to recognize the standard ++dec.' << ahahahahaha.
☟︎ ascii_field: '... And jets do not have to be correlated with built-in or low-level functionality; for instance, Urbit has a markdown parser jet.'
ascii_field: 'let's run same old idiot c-machine but with sprinkle of haskell on top for flavour'
ascii_field: 'galaxy, star, planet, moon, comet' << glorious. they retired the naval org chart (before that, prior to mr mold selling out to usg, it was feudal titles of nobility - as in my former 'dukedom')
☟︎ ascii_field: i suppose destroyers and frigates were too right-wing yet, for the new mr mold
ascii_field: somehow it has to be more 'neutral flavour' while yet more megalomaniacal. hence stellar objects.
ascii_field: 'Broadly, the design difference between Urbit and a blockchain network is that blockchains are "trust superconductors" - they eliminate any dependency on social, political or economic trust. Urbit is a "trust conductor" - engineered to minimize, but not eliminate, dependencies on trust.'
☟︎ ascii_field: 'For instance, bitcoin prevents double-spending with global mining costs in multiple dollars per transaction (as of 2015). Trusted transaction intermediation is an easily implemented service whose cost is a tiny fraction of this. And the transaction velocity of money is high; transactions in land are far more rare.'
ascii_field: i just think it is grimly hilarious how everything we've spoken of here ~will~ be implemented in bastardized usg versions
☟︎ ascii_field: because usg has the means to feed full-time programmers, and we do not.
☟︎ ascii_field: 'In February 2003, the FBI assigned a team of FBI personnel --- "Team 10" -- to work full-time at the NSA to manage the FBI's participation in the program. Team 10's primary responsiblity was to disseminate PSP information through [censored] ECs to FBI field offices for investigative or other purposes. However, over time, Team 10 began to participate in the PSP in other ways. For example, Team 10 occasionally submitted
ascii_field: telephone numbers and Internet communications addresses to the NSA to be searched against the bulk metadata collected under the PSP...'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22650 @ 0.00075235 = 17.0407 BTC [+]
shinohai: I found it to be a mealy-mouth article. Was wondering if it had been discussed and I missed those bits.
ascii_field: phun phakt: it is not a proven fact that the difficulty of the rsa problem as such is equivalent to that of factoring.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00074013 = 13.5444 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00074013 = 3.3306 BTC [-]
phf: it's interesting to see how fast urbit "turned" both politically and on technical questions. markdown jet? choosing markdown is a copout in itself (there's a naggum rant where he says that plaintext markup languages are designed by people who don't understand NLP), but why would you outsource something so traditional as a text blob parser? seems like an opportunity to showcase your language's text manipulation facilities, etc.
ascii_field: i am not sure about the political, but on technical questions it was DOA
phf: on technical merits i thought it was kind of like if evola fans started writing their own operating system in INTERCAL (with apologies to don woods) hosted on top of brainfuck vm, a dadaist project where impracticality and absurd were the main driving force behind decisions. the reality turned out to be a lot more banal
ascii_field: i followed the project for years largely on account of NOBODY-else-is-pissing-on-backwards-compat
HeySteve: BingoBoingo, you're going to make Gavin and Mike cry with articles like that
phf: i guess that's why dadaist groups all have long history of denouncement, usually ending with the original founder remaining. otherwise you always have some entrenched fuck proposing a markdown jet, because useful and doesn't hurt and shrug. but when it's the founder itself..
☟︎ phf: *the only member remaining
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00075136 = 22.8413 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13994 @ 0.00074013 = 10.3574 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26094 @ 0.00073588 = 19.2021 BTC [-]
jurov throws ein kaiser mit schinken
phf: ascii_field: what'd you think of quality of lisp in "land of lisp"?
phf: i did technical review for it, which was pretty stressful. barsky is a poliglot and writes with a lot of grahamisms, so i rewrote a lot of bits to make them more "common lisp", though i don't think i fully reached that goal
phf: yeah, we bonded over the need for more books that are kind of like "writing games in basic" on one hand, but use sensible technologies
lobbes: jurov throws ein kaiser mit schinke << kein Käse?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14521 @ 0.00073933 = 10.7358 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: <HeySteve> BingoBoingo, you're going to make Gavin and Mike cry with articles like that << Thank you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29051 @ 0.00075202 = 21.8469 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: Rex mag kein Käse.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00075165 = 16.6115 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16739 @ 0.0007404 = 12.3936 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25011 @ 0.00073705 = 18.4344 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: This is a newer stinkier shit pogo
BingoBoingo: Difference appears to be mouse shit versus moose shit
ascii_field: these are the 'buy light bulbs that mine for usg' log-reader folks aren't they.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: "The product will include a Wi-Fi adapter, RPi 2, power supply, USB-to-laptop cable and 128GB SD card, and come equipped with a "factory-installed" copy of the blockchain. It is not known how much hashing power the miner generates."
BingoBoingo: "The reason you can do these things so quickly is because the 21 Bitcoin Computer includes a built-in 21 mining chip (so you can easily buy things for bitcoin)"
BingoBoingo: The 128 GB SD card is prolly not going to last that long
jurov: they are never going to fully validate blockchain on SD card
☟︎ ascii_field: or rather, 'validation' to these folks means something quite else
thestringpuller: You'd be better off wiping your ass with alpaca socks than buying into this nonsense.
ascii_field: thestringpuller: this is just usg's answer to 'china refuses to mine gavincoin or run hearnia client'
shinohai: So what does that thing do that a pogo can't ?
ascii_field: mine a satoshi a day so redditard can feel l337 ?
☟︎ thestringpuller: ascii_field: take compulsory remote updates from usg ? << srsly. it's backed by Cisco aka Spookware Incorporated.
ascii_field: 'Yes, you can indeed make a profit with the 21 Bitcoin Computer. However, you would do so not by directly selling bitcoin, but by selling digital goods for bitcoin. That is, you are not going to get rich by immediately selling the bitcoin mined by the device for offline currency, but you can potentially do very well by selling digital goods and services to others for their bitcoin. ' << hilarious. worth a read, for the lulz
phf: it's got an obligatory "connected to macbook pro" picture for one
ascii_field: 'you can make a profit but you would not do so by making a profit'
☟︎ ascii_field: 'your margins on bitcoin earned by selling digital goods and services with the 21 Bitcoin Computer are likely going to be much better than your margins from bitcoin mined with the 21 Bitcoin Computer. That is because the 21 Bitcoin Computer allows you to use bitcoin as a true digital currency for taking worldwide payment for your APIs. The mined bitcoin just provides continuous liquidity into the system. '
ascii_field: i lack the lsd to properly grasp what is being spoken of here.
thestringpuller: ascii_field: they are trying to use mining as a way to hedge your investment by giving you access to inflation as you sell shit for btc.
shinohai: How is that thing going to mine ANY appreciable mount of btc
phf: ascii_field: i think it's just written for "guy on a street" layman. "no you can't mine bitcoins anymore, because it's totally unprofitable without a giant asic farm, but you can use this thing to buy and sell bitcoins"
shinohai: Like, you know, a *regular bitcoin client*
ascii_field: at the upper end of the claimed hash rate, and supposing phree mains current, the thing will mine, at TODAY's difficulty.... 0.0012 btc/day.
☟︎ phf: i.e. target audience is rpi crowd with no unix, bitcoin, etc. experience. see also "maker" thread
thestringpuller: yea. so you get 0.0012 btc/day, and while you sell shit with the computer it kinda buffers it.
thestringpuller: basically they are hedging on you selling shit for btc to make it pay for the computer which is fucktarded.
ascii_field: even for a scam, this stretches the bounds of the plausible
ascii_field: and what happened to the fucking light bulb
thestringpuller: So you can post naked pix to instagram through snapchat using twitter and facebook
assbot: Naviers_Stoked comments on 21.co website has just been updated: "Introducing the first bitcoin computer" ... (
http://bit.ly/1OM0Iek )
ascii_field: if any of you lot have the time and energy, buy one of these things & reverse it
☟︎ ascii_field: the hidden functionality of this thing ought to be an entertaining lulzmine
phf: ascii_field: you're too sane, to comprehend this madness. the way stupid thinks in this case, "want to sell bitcoin device, can't really make pogo, because no "value add", so must add some hardware to make it seem like useful hardware." of course they don't have enough sense to say add a ecc sig verifier asic, so add probably stolen miner asic code, which is not going to mine anything for anybody, hence the dodgy justification code.
trinque: raised 121.1M according to crunchbase
cazalla: FAQ sorta conflicts with the idea of making money with this thing by selling goods.. "we think payment in BTC is not as big an improvement at the present time over standard ways to purchase macroscopic physical goods."
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:24:53; jurov: they are never going to fully validate blockchain on SD card
mike_c: they're pushing micropayments, not buy a $400 hunk of silicon.
ascii_field: mike_c: also pushing a usgized wot knockoff
mike_c: yeah.. the whole "not a mining pool" thing is weird
ascii_field: incidentally, i would not be the least bit astonished if the miner die contains a second, inactive circuit for an alternative workfunction
ascii_field: the laughable hash rate will not matter ~then~.
ascii_field: (what commercial chip do you know of that sells as a ~range~ of possible performance ??!!)
☟︎ mike_c: maybe it's power dependant?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.0007392 = 23.9501 BTC [+]
ascii_field: that will be blown by a future 'mandatory update'
mike_c: x volts = 50, y volts = 125?
ascii_field: permanently turning it into a usgcoin miner.
ascii_field: (useless for any other purpose, and, importantly, specifically nonfunctional for conventional bitcoin)
ascii_field: this will be hailed as a great leap forward by the redditard crowd, because difficulty in this altcoin will initially be very low, making their 50-125 appear to 'count for something'
mike_c: well, can't say that i'll be blowing 2 btc on it any time soon.
ascii_field: if my hypothesis is correct AND the makers have half a brain, there is nothing to be learned from buying the board presently. unless you have access to electron microscope.
mike_c: weren't you building one of those in your garage?
mike_c: ah, first the pick and place, then the electron microscope :)
cazalla: posted link as it contains some quotes, that's all
phf: (usg agents reading the logs, "ascii always have some good ideas for us")
trinque: "If I find fifty righteous people in Silicon Valley, I will spare the whole place for their sake."
ascii_field: phf: the light bulb miner iirc was suggested here.
mike_c: speaking of new hardware, how goes routing ascii_field?
cazalla: not to mention the fact bitbeat has been used to push all manner of scams
mike_c: ugh. maybe you should get a 21 and pay someone else to do it with your constant stream of bitcoin.
ascii_field: mike_c: typically i leave the thing grinding before going off to the minez and check on it in the evening.
mike_c: heh. so it's mostly auto-routing?
ascii_field: 'auto' would be a lie. but nominally, yes.
ascii_field: phf et al: from my (admittedly very distant) perch, my understanding of usg's engineering problem is as follows
ascii_field: breaks into two parts: 1) create properly usgistic altcoin
ascii_field: 2) siphon the value and ultimately move the nash equilibrium from honest bitcoin to (1)
☟︎ ascii_field: although i can easily imagine there being some disagreement among hitler's minions about the exact shape (1) ought to take
ascii_field: it is the siphoning that is the tricky bit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00075234 = 17.5671 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17820 @ 0.00075234 = 13.4067 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00075235 = 16.5517 BTC [+]
phf: BingoBoingo: all the fat whites that i've seen in turkey were american, literally every one of them would start speaking english at some point while we were watching. in fact approaching u.s. the number and variety of fat people increased dramatically up to the philadelphia saturation levels
BingoBoingo: phf: By Philadelphia saturation levels I assume you are referring to the "cream cheese" which helps them bulk to their size?
phf: philly cheese stake and microbrew beer culture
phf: i live in the area with apparently "highest number of lesbians after san francisco", so lots and lots and lots plus sized sjw types
☟︎ phf: mostly amusing, at the local coworking i've probably seen all the stereotypes in flesh. girls with social sciences ph.d. doing research projects, guys pushing feminist rhetoric in every conversation, black transgender talking about white oppression, all manner of "you can do anything" mentality. it's like irl tumblr out there
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141100 @ 0.00075364 = 106.3386 BTC [+] {6}
phf: there's an organic food coop here, with stereotypes buying groceries from stereotypes selling it. you'd have a field day
phf: ooh ooh, a chubby english major, who's a perpetually broke works random jobs, but aspires to be a singer, but nobody has a heart to tell her that she's not very good
cazalla: phf, she wouldn't believe them anyway eh
BingoBoingo: Yeah, or write it off as oppreshun because people don't understand her condishuns
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15933 @ 0.0007529 = 11.996 BTC [-]
phf: there's an organic food place here, ran by, i'm pretty convinced of that, former MOVE hangerons. black folk be talking about prana, and the power of positive thinking, that REALLY WORKS man. typical cliental involves angry black woman talking about taking her daughter to africa and how refreshing it was without all the white folk looking down on you
☟︎ phf: i'm not paraphrasing the last bit by the way
phf: there's a coop yoga place, that designed "as a sort of community wellness center", good thing that the owner owns the building too, because they can't seem to quite break even, and periodically have strategic brainstorm sessions about how to make money
phf: could make a portlandia show about west philadelphia, if it wasn't all so derivative already
BingoBoingo: It's amazing how much failure gets passed along as "progress" in USistan
cazalla: thanks for ruining my morning cuppa BingoBoingo
phf: and here i am being upset that you can't find a bidet anywhere in u.s. except for muslim neighbourhoods
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00075488 = 5.0577 BTC [+] {3}
phf: would probably also solve problems of the creatures in that reddit thread
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40211 @ 0.0007529 = 30.2749 BTC [-]
lobbes: 'I'm going to try this. I've been pooping in the shower for years...' << lmao. I don't envy the plumber that finally gets called to snake that drain
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10071 @ 0.00075417 = 7.5952 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo still astounded that if one wants a new diesel vehicle thanks to the EU it will refuse to run if you don't fill up a second tank with pisstein (urea)
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Government Motors kills people with flimsy ignition locks and VW decides their smallest car is fine without pisstank, yet VW is the bigger villain
BingoBoingo: they call the shit "adblue" 35% urea in aqueaous solution. Gets pissed into the exhaust stream
mircea_popescu: lol im sure the "blue" is purely concindental. not like trying to pretend it's not piss.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Because instead of letting efficient diesels with their turbos and insane compression produce a bit more oxidized nitrogen, make them emulate naturally aspirated gasoline vehicle
mircea_popescu: bureaucracy at work. "one thing got away and all other things got to be that thing now. because easier to have a central exception"
mircea_popescu: this is the fundamentally centralizing nature of bureaucracy. "gotta have one king, and preferably he be dead."
BingoBoingo: Because why accept engineering compromises when you can instead invent a tank that pisses into the exhaust and feed monsanto more bezzel
punkman: why don't they have a piss-funnel for the driver? fill it up during the 8 hours of commuting.
BingoBoingo remebers there supposedly being a piss backed atlcoin advertised on bitcointalk at one point
BingoBoingo: <punkman> why don't they have a piss-funnel for the driver? fill it up during the 8 hours of commuting. << Biologic piss isn't good enough. Need special monsanto pure piss.
mircea_popescu: but you could add a gas cromatograph in the exhaust, diagnose driver's odds of getting kidney stones
BingoBoingo: Well, now diesel exhaust contains ammonia, because THAT is SO MUCH BETTER than NOx
shinohai: That one gave me quite a few lolz
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.0007392 = 4.1395 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "No, you pedo-peso hoarding little shit lizard. One of your sociopathic free-market libertarian brethren took it upon themselves to threaten a real person and people around them in their place of work making them genuinely fearful."
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is stolfi and who the fuck cares about his bizarro cover-up for his own retirement.
mircea_popescu: guy got bored of being stupid, i get it, no need to pretend like HORRIBRU FORCES AFOOT.
mircea_popescu: anyway. if this works so well, i guess we need to sean more of sa then ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00073675 = 8.4358 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: btw, asciilifeform you know who invented "teledildonics" rite ?
mircea_popescu: "HTML is precisely what we were trying to PREVENT" guy.
mircea_popescu: (not for the reason he cites, or at least not exactly, he fails to understand the deep rpoblems with "rights management", (which are what "version management" is in an edulcorated form)
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, yes, link rot and no bijection. who the fuck wants this piece of shit.
mircea_popescu: hint : the "expectations" about "what the internet is" which were build in the 90s by people about as informed or inclined to think as the current "blockchain technologies" crowd, are predicated on a MAXIMAL EXTENSION of an optimal ideal nelsonian network.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25901 @ 0.00074452 = 19.2838 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: they have zit to do with the html&javascript internet of today.
mircea_popescu: all that shit re culture and whatnot, all the pretense of wikipedia to relevance, the whole kaboodle : an overstated maximal output of an optimistic evaluation of a technological base that a) never actually existed in fact and b) has meanwhile been substituted by a provably worse alternative IN ALL THE POINTS
mircea_popescu: this is how vc circus works, spend 10-20mn on "a venture", part of which goes to "a respectable voice" etc.
mircea_popescu: in the 60s they didn't even realise their own children will be marrying into illiterate for lack of alternative.
mircea_popescu: when i was a kid, the #1 question hopeful spouse had to handle with the fambly was "are they smart enough"
mircea_popescu: who the fuck said "honey, she's too dumb for you and her house smells of poor people" the past decade.
mircea_popescu: ("smells of poor people" is in no small part ABSENCE. "intellectuals" are used to the mild allergenic reaction of paper dust mites + old ink smell in trace amounts. because 5k books around.)
gernika: My encyclopedia britannica smelled - not good
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i took a gamble of sorts. it kinda worked.
phf: man can't keep up with that guy, first email, now books
shinohai: Sent 20 emails out today regarding your art commission, get one chick to reply 10 minutes ago. I gave her a link to chat.
gernika: asciilifeform: 1958 - complete with class schedule of a junior high student from 1969.
gernika: asciilifeform: it's a slightly chemical smell - perhaps ammoniaish?
mircea_popescu: it's a great thing. the main by-product of the knitting culture. little clothes made to measure by bored old women for things like teapots.
mircea_popescu: it has all the symptoms of childrearing apparatus gone berserk.
mircea_popescu: so dumbass "political campaign" for some twerp here tried to have a huge rally (which is how i woke up, fucking drummers). but it's been raining, and nobody gives a shit about their crap, so they took refuge under a huge awning and there they've been, playing this inept 2 minute political soundclip (lo que la gente quiere, blabla fuckhead rodrgues) etc. this for a while, until
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> those fuckers. NOBODY FUCKING QUIERES.
mircea_popescu: *hanbot* i am going out there to tell them to shut the fuck up.
mircea_popescu: so she went down there and they stopped. and then... were quiet for like... ten minutes.
mircea_popescu: let it never be said that woman can not break things. woman can break men's spirit, and that's major.
mircea_popescu: she fucking shoo'd a political campaign away from the fucking downtown landmark!
mircea_popescu: i gotta teach her how to work the backpack flamethrower.
hanbot: i've got a fever, and the only prescription is moar dakka.
mircea_popescu: golden standard is this ru 8 gallon pre-pressured mix thing
phf: above is just a portable propane poofer, which is a sort of rite of passage for construction among burning man steel&propane crowd