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mircea_popescu: so then let it be, once it's used more we'll understand better what;s needed with it in practice.
asciilifeform let the whole thing be, if anyone recalls
asciilifeform: but yes.
danielpbarron: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1324168 << https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/665678941991133184 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 20:46:17; pete_dushenski: ;;later tell danielpbarron mind dropping https://twitter.com/sam_kriss a link to the latest contravex, seeing as how he quite so eloquently inspired the thing
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: nicely done !
phf: tehran has good pistachios
mircea_popescu: i know, that's where i get mine
phf: i've learned recently that one of the larger usian pro-embargo lobbies are pistachio manufacturers
phf: because can't compete with the real thing
mircea_popescu: aha.
pete_dushenski: 'merican pistachios were a nixon thing, neh ?
mircea_popescu: nothing in the us produce section can compete with the real thing.
mircea_popescu: go have say an actual mango
mircea_popescu: avocado.
mircea_popescu: you name it. even the fucking bananas have an actual flavour, as opposed to the styrofoam at walmart.
asciilifeform: possibly from the use of ripening gas
mircea_popescu: prolly.
mircea_popescu: "what is this ?" "vegetables and rice" "no it isn't. where you got these ?" "oh, they come in very convenient bags, frozen" "are you fucking crazy ?!" ☟︎
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phf: tv diners, canned vegetables, bag of crisps, and when feeling fancy (or don't want to deal with cooking for the kids) it's time for a mcdonalds trip!
mircea_popescu: incidentally, is ripening gas still ethylene or did they find some way to use radiocesium or some shit for the purpose ?
asciilifeform: yes, but....
asciilifeform: e.g.,
mircea_popescu: phf meanwhile, breadmaking is basic female skill required in mp households.
asciilifeform: '1-Methylcyclopropene (1-MCP) is a gaseous molecule that blocks the sites of ethylene binding and action in fruit. Marketed under the commercial name ‘SmartFreshTM’, it is increasingly used across a wide variety of stored products where the inhibition of ethylene effects is desired.'
asciilifeform: ^ and prolly more.
mircea_popescu: heh. the march of science eh.
asciilifeform: what was it,
asciilifeform: 'feast of engineering !!!1111'
asciilifeform: 'spreading - works!'
pete_dushenski: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTyWe0sWoAAUi9B.jpg << i dun get it
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKZXRw )
phf: actually in u.s. breadmakers is one of those appliances, that people buy and then never use. i know because every time bread comes up in conversation, an owner will point out that they have one. somehow they still buy cardboard bread at store, and only break out breadmaker on special occasions, if ever.
danielpbarron: #PhrenchLivesMatter
pete_dushenski: we had breadmaker growing up. actually used it too.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it's not even that, it's more along the lines of "social media derps don't matter", which irks them.
pete_dushenski: #BaguettesMatter
mircea_popescu: so now they're... doing things.
danielpbarron is pretty good at making bread the old fashioned way
mircea_popescu: well you'd have to be, it's the main requisite for being a sourdough miner!
danielpbarron: i don't use that stupid machine either
mircea_popescu: is this a dough hook on a motor ?
mircea_popescu: or you mean the actual "hey epson now makes bread" assembly line in your kitchen thing
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phf: danielpbarron: yeah, girl bakes bread in oven on the regular, i just stick to poor engineer's substitute for day to day-- chapatis
danielpbarron: i don't even use that; I kneed by hand
pete_dushenski: http://www.best-breadmachine.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/panasonic-sdrd2501.jpg << eg. breadmaker
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1SQIzMq )
mircea_popescu: i suppose the enduring popularity these chunks of nonsense enjoyed should make no one surprised at the 3d printer mania.
phf: mircea_popescu: the second. i think you dump ingredients, bread comes out, but enough manual steps that people still manage to not use it. maybe cleaning is the time consuming part..
pete_dushenski: ~$100 - 200
mircea_popescu: they make about as much bread as they make guns.
mircea_popescu: in this line, there was a time in central/eastern yurp when married woman HAD to have sewing machine. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: maybe 10% of them did anything useful with it.
asciilifeform was about to ask 'who the fuck cancelled this' but then remembered chinese pseudoclothes
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: it is a craft tho, the expectation you spend the 1500 dm and wife can now make clothes is out of place. ☟︎
pete_dushenski: https://www.nknews.org/2015/11/conversations-with-north-koreans/ << “This so-called South Korea thing,” he sneered, “it’s just America.” “You say isolated. We say self-reliant. That’s our ideology. That’s how we weather economic crises caused by America,” << damn. spot on !
assbot: Conversations with North Koreans | NK News - North Korea News ... ( http://bit.ly/1HL0Bia )
mircea_popescu: mmm
mircea_popescu: the haircuts, also ?
asciilifeform: don't forget http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-08-2015#1224219 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 14:33:45; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu brings up interesting point. entirely possible that north kr will binge to death on reddit, like the red skinned man did on liquor, when the time comes
asciilifeform: and other threadz re: same.
pete_dushenski: trading beaver pelts for shiny beads and reddit gold eh
danielpbarron: they should better trade for shiny rock and eulorian coppers
mircea_popescu: ehehe
asciilifeform: north kr is largely free of usg but as a consequence has no immunity
asciilifeform: it will liquify like an axenic mouse.
mircea_popescu: in other news, i would like to announce
mircea_popescu: that should the nobel committee decide to give stoya the peace prize i am prepared to accept it on her behalf
asciilifeform: l0l!1
pete_dushenski: please to post btc address for peaceful winnings
mircea_popescu: obviously i have no relation to either the woman or her line of work, and she could just as well do it on her own, but i'm aspiring to be as cool as Chowcoolie Whatsiname one day.
mircea_popescu: http://www.anderson.ucla.edu/faculty/finance/faculty/chowdhry << in case you're wondering what the vermin usg has created looks like. ☟︎
assbot: Chowdhry | UCLA Anderson School of Management ... ( http://bit.ly/1SQJw7q )
mircea_popescu: it's not JUST bharara. there's an entire generation of this scum barnacling the place.
asciilifeform unfortunately knows very well what they look like.
asciilifeform: really not so different from that other nomenklatura.
mircea_popescu: very different. they were georgians not fucking eskimo.
asciilifeform: now this, yes
asciilifeform: but overall flavour is the same.
mircea_popescu: "oh , but india just happens to have a culture that promotes abject replication."
mircea_popescu: yeah, exactly.
asciilifeform: but the classical india featherbedding - this, yes!
phf: i think in su the purpose of sewing machine was to pirate french pret-a-porter that would not be otherwise accessible in stores. could buy sewing pattern magazines, i.e. Burda. aunt made some side money in the 70s making garments "like them french girls"
mircea_popescu: ex "mechanical engineer", reminds me a lot of the rather famous zarone, g g dej's driver, then minister.
asciilifeform: more elementarily, to fix torn things faster/with less sweat
mircea_popescu: phf yes, that was the theory.
mircea_popescu: the practice however, was that about one in ten women were worth the cutting cloth.
mircea_popescu: i suspect germany (all opf the machines had to be german!!1) made marginally more money selling the gear than the women in question saved, had exports been allowed.
mircea_popescu: the truth of this point can be appreciated by the incredible expansion of lohn in the 90s in eeu. ☟︎
phf: lohn?
mircea_popescu: it's a delivery/production agreement in light industry, mostly textiles
phf: aah
mircea_popescu: something very similar is widely used in eulora, too.
phf: is that german word?
mircea_popescu: http://steconomice.uoradea.ro/anale/volume/2008/v1-international-business-and-european-integration/010.pdf
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1SQK7WM )
mircea_popescu: anyway, the gist of it is that "manufacturer" gets tooling on credit, materials sourced by and fixed sale contracts to the same party.
mircea_popescu: ie, "Here is this samovar, here are the bundles, make me the product"
pete_dushenski: sounds like franchised restaurant
kakobrekla: hm, 'lon' here means 'payment', old, obscure word not in use much in that sense
mircea_popescu: no, the franchisee bears most of the risk.
mircea_popescu: this is basically the fundamental deal of "we have unskilled, obedient derps here and nothing else. what now ?"
mircea_popescu: how china was built, also.
phf: gibson in his latest novel has something similar happen to 3d printers, i.e. suburban shops that get 3d printers on credit, manufacture replacement parts on demand from stl or verbal description
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: there's really no good way to describe it outside of "here are stupid people in a historical valley". i it's a mix of factoring, leasing and outsourcing supply provisioning + financing in one package.
mircea_popescu: one more tweak and you'd be ceo of your own company on reddit.
pete_dushenski: except for the 'obedient' element, which reddit utterly lacks
mircea_popescu: are you kidding me ?
mircea_popescu: they're the most obedient people alive.
mircea_popescu: granted, they obey stupid people saying stupid things, but ...
pete_dushenski: as long as they're not actually working, yes
mircea_popescu: well, lohn was for the derpy chicks that weren't willing to be ACTUALLY working, also.
mircea_popescu: (ie, working the street)
mircea_popescu: this is how this goes.
pete_dushenski: right, also not reddit, who couldn't be made to work with a pitchfork poking them in the ass
mircea_popescu: seems to me they work at producing poorly strung together sentences by the boatload.
pete_dushenski: they'd sooner break down in tears and call for their mommy/police than dig ditch
pete_dushenski: writing poorly =! work
pete_dushenski: it's "fun"
mircea_popescu: yes, well, again : this is how this goes. the entire point of "economy" is the redefinition of work.
mircea_popescu: hence all the "do what you love" "work while you're sleeping" "you won't believe it's actually work not butter" etc.
pete_dushenski: aha. 'follow your heart' myth
mircea_popescu: if you're nto going to be beating the monkeys into working, you'll be stuck tricking them, because the cock ain't gonna suck itself.
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/07/the-follow-your-heart-myth/ << oblig.
assbot: The “Follow your heart” myth. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1HL2ICm )
pete_dushenski: self-licking cocksicle ?
pete_dushenski send texts to friends as to last-minute sat night plans, got back "busy tonight. free dec. 12!"
mircea_popescu: no, i gotta quote this damned thing, it's incredible.
pete_dushenski: i'm losing touch either on account of family, internets, or... something. but a regular on 'the scene' is not me. not anymore.
mircea_popescu: "Biography
mircea_popescu: Bhagwan Chowdhry is a Professor of Finance at UCLA Anderson where he has held an appointment since 1988.
mircea_popescu: Professor Chowdhry has also taught at the University of Chicago, University of Illinois at Chicago, the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology, and the Indian School of Business. He received his Ph.D. in 1989 from the Graduate School of Business at the University of Chicago. He also has an M.B.A. in Finance from the University of Iowa and a B.Tech. in Mechanical Engineering from Indian Institute of Technology.
mircea_popescu: His research interests, on which he has published several papers in finance and economics journals, are in International Finance and Corporate Finance and Strategy. He has been on the editorial board of a number of finance journals. He teaches International Finance, Corporate Finance and Financial Institutions at Anderson. He has also organized and taught Executive Education programs on Financial Derivatives, Corporate
mircea_popescu: Risk Management and Valuation in Los Angeles, Singapore, Hong Kong, Mumbai, and Hyderabad.
mircea_popescu: Microfinance has been his recent teaching, research and applied interest. He has supervised several MBA student projects in Microfinance in the last several years and has taught an undergraduate seminar class and an MBA elective on the subject. He has developed a new model for "Franchising Microfinance" on which he has written a research paper and is studying the feasibility of implementing the model with a Microfinanc
mircea_popescu: e Institution.
mircea_popescu: Professor Chowdhry has recently proposed Financial Access at Birth (FAB) initiative in which every child born in the world is given an initial deposit of $100 in an online bank account to guarantee that everyone in the world will have access to financial services in a few decades.You can read about the initiative by clicking here.. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: Professor Chowdhry is the co-founder (with Professor Ivo Welch) and Executive Editor of a new publication Finance & Accounting Memos (FAMe) that makes academic research more accessible for MBA and PhD students, journal"
mircea_popescu: "some" ?
mircea_popescu: this guy did nothing his entire fucking life, outside of being a coolie for who the fuck knows what highly placed usg libtard.
mircea_popescu: and now i wanna know which one.
asciilifeform: sorta how mr o was for bill ayers
mircea_popescu: apparently gotta burn this hot iron of "if you lift your head up it WILL get cut off" into ever more ustardian lardass.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check it out, sandnigger did "some articles" in "some papers".
mircea_popescu: that's his bio.
asciilifeform: and he's rich, yes
asciilifeform: (usg-rich, rather than mircea_popescu-rich, but still)
mircea_popescu: been at ucla since 1988 (that's 27 years for the mit-educated log readers), and what he has to say for it is "oh, i heard of bitcoin recently".
mircea_popescu: chicago, by pure coincidence.
mircea_popescu: they sure got themselves a nice cozy stupid club going there don't they.\
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo if you feel like hunting down the fabled papers this insult to culture has defecated upon the language of his father's masters, i'd like to hear a summary. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: maybe there's something juicy in there like you know, plagiarism (for sure there is), and like mathematica stealing of stuff from people (almost willing to bet) ☟︎
asciilifeform: btw plagiarism is as asian as rice.
mircea_popescu: you don't say.
asciilifeform: for any martians reading this.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, the entire exercise shows you that the previously discussed reserve powers bother the derps.
mircea_popescu: gotta find dat satoshi!
asciilifeform: this stretches the bounds of the plausible
mircea_popescu: it does ?
asciilifeform: if s wouldn't emerge to cash in his premine, why would he emerge for a paltry 1m usd ?
asciilifeform: esp given as the latter comes with guaranteed einsatzkommando and gasenwagen
mircea_popescu: i have this pile of very secret derpage here including the very expert "profile" of some random derp explaining how an elderly, principled gentleman is perhaps going to react crazily to the crass injustice of this entire scheme. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: maybe i'm not holding it the right side up or something. ☟︎
asciilifeform: posted anywhere ?
mircea_popescu: no.
asciilifeform: any particular reason mircea_popescu would care to share re: why not ?
mircea_popescu: but if it helps you any, the secret production of the river of meat is no more readable (or worth reading) than its visible outpour.
mircea_popescu: cuz i said it won't be.
asciilifeform: l0l ok
asciilifeform: iirc this was tried at least once earlier
asciilifeform: when they dressed up the monkey as s
asciilifeform: on some stage
mircea_popescu: i have no idea what strained whey must be found in their brainboxes to imagine someone actually gives half a rat's arse what the usg CALLS the moving of moneys from one pocket to another.
mircea_popescu: the inescapable disease of the stupid, this.
mircea_popescu: "oh, if i take a million bux and one plastic golden medal from the nobel pocket and put it intop the ucla pocket, someone's going to take it at face value!11"
mircea_popescu: who the fuck, other than indians 2nd generation in shoes.
asciilifeform: i suppose it can also be inferred that the coke machine is ready
asciilifeform: to receive s if and when.
asciilifeform wonders if it was built to his specs as described here
mircea_popescu: lmao yeah, ucla.
mircea_popescu: he'll get a professorship. WHO WOULD NOT WANT A PROFESSORSHIP!111
asciilifeform: posthumous professorship
asciilifeform: (have they got these?)
mircea_popescu: so pervasive, this braindamage. what higher aspiration a gentleman scholar could have than to be trapped on a "campus" populated by monkeys unfit to carry water.
asciilifeform: actually
asciilifeform: there are several kinds of 'professorship' some of which don't include actually clocking in
asciilifeform once worked for a fella like that. he showed up every quarter, or so
mircea_popescu: i'd rather work as an orderly at some establishment dedicated to humor research on public moneys (also known as insane asylum) than be a fucking professor in the us.
asciilifeform: again, not all of them actually see the monkeys
asciilifeform: some are just titled gentry pure and simple.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, and that's what they'll make him, too.
asciilifeform: well, the double
mircea_popescu: you're so carnal, you know.
asciilifeform: the man himself, (or bourbaki, etc), if ever shows up, will die in the machine.
mircea_popescu: this ain't how the thing works. if it abhors anything, it's actual meat. for some reason.
mircea_popescu: ironic, i guess
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asciilifeform: i suspect that this'd be one of those cases where the constituent parts would spontaneously rearrange themselves on the sheer strength of the premined coin
asciilifeform: to form whatever it takes to actualize the cokemachine.
mircea_popescu: yeah. and obama would go into it.
mircea_popescu: the actual boulder of irony in here is that if the usg actually got the stash, it'd crash it.
asciilifeform: like phalaris into the bull ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if i was running forward ss in 1985 moscow, what i'd do is have a huge supply of $stuff crash 30 miles from moscow.
asciilifeform still can't picture them wanting anything else in the end other than crashing
mircea_popescu: end it right there.
mircea_popescu: the only impediment being that nobody had made essence of jeans and toiletpaper in weightless form, back then.
mircea_popescu: but bitcoin is by its nature EXACTLY the heroin usg individuals want.
pete_dushenski: "it'd crash it." << like boating 'accident' ?
mircea_popescu: like "o noes, accidentally hercules carrying 200 tons of gold was downed by the brave men of air defense".
mircea_popescu: "now what"
pete_dushenski: now germany's sol
mircea_popescu: yeah, they won't know who to send the mercedeses to.
mircea_popescu: while the aparatchicks shoot each other in the street.
pete_dushenski: china :)
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo like http://www.hubcapmike.com/images/imp-8-baby-moon-hubcap-on-23-hotrod-wheel.jpg ? big fan. especially on fiat 500/vw bug. also a fan of plain steely look for winters. ☟︎
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1O9gVZx )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: or bullet-proof box gets ticked on mercedes order form a little more regularly
pete_dushenski: like in russia
pete_dushenski: "oh you want regular s-class ? 3-month wait. bullet-proof ready for pick-up today, we have a lot full of 'em"
pete_dushenski: http://hooniverse.com/2013/08/05/photos-mercedes-benz-w126-armored-police-car/ << with uzi (?) built into passenger-side door, even. ☟︎
assbot: Photos: Mercedes-Benz W126 armored police car | Hooniverse ... ( http://bit.ly/1QDVsdA )
pete_dushenski: https://inkasarmored.com/armored-suv-based-on-mercedes-g63-amg/ << or g-wagen with 'ARMOR LEVEL 6 - CEN 1063 (UP TO) AMMO 7.62mm ASSAULT RIFLE and EXPLOSION 2 x DM51 HAND GRENADES'
assbot: Armored Mercedes-Benz G-Class For Sale - INKAS Armored Vehicles, Bulletproof Cars, Special Purpose Vehicles ... ( http://bit.ly/1QDVLoK )
pete_dushenski: o hey fireworks out my window
pete_dushenski: http://www.yelp.com/events/edmonton-holiday-light-up-christmas-on-the-square-santa-and-fireworks << la raison
assbot: Holiday Light Up - Christmas on the Square (Santa and Fireworks!), Edmonton | Events | Yelp ... ( http://bit.ly/1QDW9n8 )
pete_dushenski: says intel
pete_dushenski: "Mayor Don Iveson will welcome Santa from the North Pole, to officially light the 72-ft Christmas Tree! The tree is adorned with 14-thousand LED lights, cascading snowfalls, sparkles, and stars. After the tree ceremony, a spectacular, fireworks show will light up Downtown skies."
pete_dushenski: or what to do when you have too much money in the public coffers and a lot of young families with jack all to do on a saturday night
pete_dushenski: the effect would benefit immensely from some snow on the ground, which, incredibly, we don't have yet.
pete_dushenski: i blame carbon.
jurov: !s gasenwagen from:asciilifeform
assbot: 61 results for 'gasenwagen from:asciilifeform' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gasenwagen+from%3Aasciilifeform
jurov: !s gasenwagen from:ascii_field
assbot: 8 results for 'gasenwagen from:ascii_field' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gasenwagen+from%3Aascii_field
jurov: !s ascii_wagen
assbot: 1 results for 'ascii_wagen' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ascii_wagen
jurov: aok, not yet.
asciilifeform: l0l, jurov can't wait ?
jurov: jus' checking
jurov spent the day porting his external brain (foswiki) from perl to common lisp
asciilifeform: nifty!
jurov: so far managed only rendering of tables.. but starting to like lisp already
asciilifeform: using v. sedach's 'parenscript' lib, or ab initio ?
jurov: ab initio
asciilifeform: spiffy
mircea_popescu: o,O
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BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1324238 << Generally they do urine. But yes can't test for infinity things, but testers only need to go to reddit to discover which research chemicals the kids are eating as "dietary supplements." There's actually a range of chemicals called SARMS going through pre-clinical to Phase III trials as drugs being sold as supplements. God bless China. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 22:40:42; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1324119 << there is a very strict limit for testing, specifically that you can't test without reagent, and the reagent must react with something. ergo every single substance tested requires some blood. you can't take eight pints out of athletes, much less infinity pints, so you can't test for infinity things.
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2015#1324557 << if opportunity presents itself ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2015 01:10:22; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo if you feel like hunting down the fabled papers this insult to culture has defecated upon the language of his father's masters, i'd like to hear a summary.
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BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2015#1324622 << yes, but on saturn plasticar ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2015 01:33:44; pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo like http://www.hubcapmike.com/images/imp-8-baby-moon-hubcap-on-23-hotrod-wheel.jpg ? big fan. especially on fiat 500/vw bug. also a fan of plain steely look for winters.
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2015#1324628 << H&K MP5 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2015 01:37:30; pete_dushenski: http://hooniverse.com/2013/08/05/photos-mercedes-benz-w126-armored-police-car/ << with uzi (?) built into passenger-side door, even.
pete_dushenski: aha. good eye
phf: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1510.08555.pdf "Why Johnny Still, Still Can’t Encrypt: Evaluating the Usability of a Modern PGP Client". wtf is the point of these "studies"? "We elected to test Mailvelope, a modern PGP tool, for our study. Mailvelope is a browser extension that integrates with users’ webmail systems." "Participants were allocated sixty minutes to com- plete the study, with about 35-40 minutes spent using Mail- velope."
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QE1Xgz )
asciilifeform: old nyooz
phf: couldn't find it in logs, but i'm fascinated by this "research". top comment on lobste.rs where it got posted links to http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2014/08/whats-matter-with-pgp.html which was pretty discussed. "there's consensus!" somebody ought to publish meta study of "gpg poor usability"
assbot: A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: What's the matter with PGP? ... ( http://bit.ly/1QE27o9 )
phf: *was previously
pete_dushenski: this disinfo is at least as old as Alma Whitten and J. D. Tygar 1999. Why Johnny can’t encrypt: A usability evaluation of PGP 5.0. if not older
pete_dushenski: ref 10 in 'paper'
mircea_popescu: "usability" is a concern for cryptographic systems like "glaring absence of shit stuck on all sides of rifle" is a concern for kalashnikov design.
pete_dushenski: 'need more dildo for userbase!'
mircea_popescu: "Except maybe not: if you happen to do this with GnuPG 2.0.18 -- one version off from the very latest GnuPG -- the client won't actually bother to check the fingerprint of the received key. A malicious server (or HTTP attacker) can ship you back the wrong key and you'll get no warning. This is fixed in the very latest versions of GPG but... Oy Vey."
mircea_popescu: the conclusion is remarkably not "pgp 2.x is a scam" ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but "pgp is bad" which was the entire point of the 2.x branch of "developlent" in the first fucking place.
mircea_popescu: the only conclusion of that piece of nonsense is that Matthew Green must die. nothing more.
asciilifeform: !s johnny encrypt
assbot: 2 results for 'johnny encrypt' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=johnny+encrypt
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mircea_popescu: "(Let's not get into the NSA's collect-it-all policy for encrypted messages. If the NSA is your adversary just forget about PGP.)" << yeah, right. THAT is why i read their stuff and they don't read my stuff, because i take advice from john hopkins fucktards.
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/08/26/infosec-education-because-stephane-bortzmeyer-is-lazy-and-im-not-2/ << matthew green referenced in here, as is that 1999 'johnny' article
assbot: InfoSec Education: Because Stéphane Bortzmeyer Is Lazy. And I'm Not. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1QE2YFl )
mircea_popescu: phf it's research in the sense "earth sciences" are research.
mircea_popescu: "let's pretend like the patently untrue bullshit we want to push is not arbitrary but necessary"
mircea_popescu: the principal sleigh of hand here is the implication, unspoken but universally pushed, that you would want "automatic" encryption. ie somehow the "standard" shouild be a "browswer extension" or other such crap.
mircea_popescu: never trust a man that does automatic cryptography.
pete_dushenski: "Some derp at John Hopkins University, who calls himself a “Cryptographer and Research Professor” instead of the more apt “USG mole.”" << lel. my footnoted description of mr. green.
pete_dushenski: maybe he was just following orders, maybe he didn't know better, but he still sucks and he's still a fraud.
pete_dushenski: 'if you see a fraud and don't call him a fraud, you're a fraud' (tm) (herr taleb)
BingoBoingo: Looks like Mizzou's whatever problems will resolve soon. 10 point lead with less than 10 minutes on the clock
phf: i've not looked at the original why johnny can't, but after my recent in-depth exposure to "conscientious programmers" rabbit hole decided to look at the paper's methodology. linked arxiv is a new addition to the subject, oct 29th ☟︎
pete_dushenski: "The NFL says it will increase security inside and outside its stadiums for Sunday's games, two days after the Paris terrorist attacks." << lolwut. dear nfl: you're irrelevant. not even isis cares about you. don't waste your breath and your money chasing away your remaining fans by making irl games even MORE of a hassle to attend.
pete_dushenski: as if waiting 4 hours in a stand-still parking lot after a 100`000 doods and doodettes clear a stadium wasn't disincentive enough to stay at home and order pizza, moar sekoority should seal it ☟︎
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phf: from the same muppets, "Confused Johnny: When Automatic Encryption Leads to Confusion and Mistakes", "This paper gives an overview of Pwm (Private Webmail), our secure webmail system that uses security overlays to integrate tightly with existing webmail services like Gmail. Pwm’s security is mostly transparent, includ- ing automatic key management and automatic encryption." ... "A key escrow server handles key management. ... The
phf: disadvantage of key escrow is that the key es- crow server has access to users’ keys, which is a recognized trade-off to get the other usability benefits"
phf: and to tie it all nicely, latest muppet lab announcement, http://isrl.byu.edu/506-2/ "Kent Seamons and Daniel Zappala received an NSF grant for Middleware for Certificate-Based Authentication. This is a three-year award for $496,900. The goal of this research is to develop a trust platform that consolidates the decision-making process into a single location to provide a correct, consistent, and usable service for all existing and ☟︎
assbot: New NSF Grant Received | Internet Security Research Lab ... ( http://bit.ly/1QE3Tpd )
phf: future applications."
pete_dushenski is off. bon soir a tous !
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mircea_popescu: mmkay.
mircea_popescu: im gonna give out a whole milion eulora coppers. which are actually backed by more substance than usdollars.
mircea_popescu: just need to find sometrhing to study.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2015#1324679 << i found that 1.x is also pretty sad. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2015 03:20:51; mircea_popescu: the conclusion is remarkably not "pgp 2.x is a scam"
asciilifeform: in most of the same ways, also.
asciilifeform: but at least 1.x doesn't (i shit thee not) invoke x11 crud
mircea_popescu: aha.
phf: is that for password entry, or something else?
asciilifeform: it
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2015#1324698 << usg ! implementing the t3rr0ristz!!111 winning since '01 ! accept no substitute !11 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2015 03:32:42; pete_dushenski: as if waiting 4 hours in a stand-still parking lot after a 100`000 doods and doodettes clear a stadium wasn't disincentive enough to stay at home and order pizza, moar sekoority should seal it
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2015#1324696 << it is generally safe to 'set the bozo bit' on the whole gaggle of idiots ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2015 03:30:48; phf: i've not looked at the original why johnny can't, but after my recent in-depth exposure to "conscientious programmers" rabbit hole decided to look at the paper's methodology. linked arxiv is a new addition to the subject, oct 29th
asciilifeform: i'll consider reading a paper with actual maths/algo but anything else now tends to fall into 'entomology'
asciilifeform: which i try to leave to the mega-entomologists
phf: this is the default approach, but i've never looked at this sort of papers before. it's more like a shimmering mound that you saw from the window of your house upon closer inspection turned out a pile of shit covered in flies. "omg there's shit everywhere! and flies!"
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BingoBoingo: Mizzou beats BYU 20-16, expect the drama in Missouri to stop being news, or at least stop being local news
mircea_popescu: why ?
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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2015#1324570 << thinking more about this, it simply gotta be a forgery. nobody could actually be this stupid ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2015 01:18:00; mircea_popescu: maybe i'm not holding it the right side up or something.
asciilifeform: not even a usg directorate
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1324238 << this is catastrophically wrong, in that modern testing is almost entirely gc/ms which - yes - tests for 'all at once' - you don't need moar blood to look for additional peaks in the plot ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 22:40:42; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1324119 << there is a very strict limit for testing, specifically that you can't test without reagent, and the reagent must react with something. ergo every single substance tested requires some blood. you can't take eight pints out of athletes, much less infinity pints, so you can't test for infinity things.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2015#1324703 >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-11-2015#1318921 ☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2015 03:42:10; phf: and to tie it all nicely, latest muppet lab announcement, http://isrl.byu.edu/506-2/ "Kent Seamons and Daniel Zappala received an NSF grant for Middleware for Certificate-Based Authentication. This is a three-year award for $496,900. The goal of this research is to develop a trust platform that consolidates the decision-making process into a single location to provide a correct, consistent, and usable service
assbot: Logged on 06-11-2015 22:08:54; ascii_field: 'Ministers have no plans to ban sex because it has an important role in the protection of legitimate economic activity such as creating bank users and lottery players. But there is concern over some aspects of so-called end-to-end fuck where only the thruster and recipient of thrust can feel it.'
punkman: guten tag
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2015#1324459 << I think main use was repair and modifications ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2015 00:32:21; mircea_popescu: it is a craft tho, the expectation you spend the 1500 dm and wife can now make clothes is out of place.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not afaik.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, complex organic molecules don't mass spectrometry so well.
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mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/52be874528a8c31822eba36e6e23d4bc/tumblr_n71r35HBo81r59rt8o1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PI7xO8 )
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the metabolites gc/ms great.
asciilifeform: (though - naturally - depends on ~what~)
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mircea_popescu: right ?
mircea_popescu: plenty of stuff goes away in hours.
punkman: speaking of volatile compounds, just tasted very fresh batch of olive oil (~12 hours)
punkman: pretty good
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ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2015#1324494 << i think this is "piece work" in usa ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2015 00:46:50; mircea_popescu: the truth of this point can be appreciated by the incredible expansion of lohn in the 90s in eeu.
ben_vulpes: except that mandating use of specific materials seems to specifically exclude it from being called piece work.
shinohai: http://cointelegraph.com/news/115645/bitcourt-of-argentina-to-validate-diplomas-on-the-blockchain
assbot: BitCourt of Argentina to validate diplomas on the Blockchain ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxD9Bo )
shinohai: Everything is done client-side with JavaScript, but document backups are of course needed. <<< kek
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> why ? << Because civil unrest is for University with losing teams
BingoBoingo: Beer and circuses
BingoBoingo: Also those college activists really know how to hurt their cause http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/11/14/mizzou-campus-activists-and-black-lives-matter-complain-about-paris-stealing-the-spotlight/
assbot: Mizzou Activists Complain About Paris Stealing the Spotlight ... ( http://bit.ly/1lpGj3D )
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kakobrekla: https://news.vice.com/article/windows-31-is-still-alive-and-it-just-killed-a-french-airport
assbot: Windows 3.1 Is Still Alive, And It Just Killed a French Airport | VICE News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MPJpnz )
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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes aha. also piece work is a deal with individuals, this involves an [ex soviet] factory usually.
mircea_popescu: shinohai are these the same imbeciles of inexistent "bitcoin embassy" fame or a new crop of hollow if pretentious garglemeisters ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla oh i see, THERE it's about the version. if it were a different version than 3.1 it'd have been fine, because windows is usgtronics. MEANWHILE the problems with gpg-hijacked are really problems WITH PGP.
mircea_popescu: live and learn.
shinohai: Looks like a new crop, but may have received 3-d printed diplomas from "Crypto University" at the Embassy.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know, just because "the press" that got kicked off campus is claiming some derps as representative for a group they hate doesn't mean all that much.
mircea_popescu: i can also interview mental patients and then transcribe the results and publish them as "the crazy ramblings of us libertards". this is probably more factual than the breitbart butthurt.
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mircea_popescu: !ticker
assbot: These beans is shit.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i can also interview mental patients and then transcribe the results and publish them as "the crazy ramblings of us libertards". this is probably more factual than the breitbart butthurt. << Seems valuabru
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mircea_popescu: lol
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BingoBoingo: Anyways the Mizzou stuff seems set to do the long drawn out irrelevance thing now as occupy did, unless they do some actual rioting ☟︎
mircea_popescu: they got the recipe, time for butt meet work, work meet butt.
mircea_popescu: in other win,
mircea_popescu: “Those who organized, who perpetrated the attacks are the very same people who the refugees are fleeing and not the opposite,” Agence-France Presse quoted Mr. Juncker as saying. “And so there is no need for an overall review of the European policy on refugees.”
btcdrak: https://twitter.com/btcdrak/status/665920298789830658
mircea_popescu: "Dans deux mois, l'Algérie élira ses représentants dans les mêmes conditions que le fera la métropole. Mais, il faudra qu'au moins les deux tiers de ses représentants soient des citoyens musulmans. Autre chose se rapporte à l'avenir. L'avenir de l'Algérie, de toute façon, parce que c'est la nature des choses, sera bâti sur une double base, sa personnalité et sa solidarité étroite avec la métropole frança
mircea_popescu: ise. Alors, me tournant vers ceux qui prolongent une lutte fratricide, qui organisent en métropole de lamentables attentats, qui répandent à travers les chancelleries, les officines, les radios, les feuilles publiques de certaines capitales étrangères, les invectives qu'ils adressent à la France. Je leur dis à ceux-là : pourquoi tuer ? Il faut faire vivre. Pourquoi détruire ? Le devoir est de construire. Pourq
mircea_popescu: uoi haïr ? Il s'agit de coopérer. Cessez ces combats absurdes, et aussitôt, on verra l'espérance refleurir partout, sur les terres de l'Algérie. On verra se vider les prisons, on verra s'ouvrir un avenir assez grand pour tout le monde, en particulier pour vous-mêmes. Et puis, m'adressant, m'adressant à tels Etats qui jettent ici de l'huile sur le feu, tandis que leur peuple douloureux halètent sous les dictatur
mircea_popescu: es, je leur déclare : Ce que la France est en mesure d'accomplir ici, ce que la France seulement est en mesure de réaliser, pouvez-vous le faire vous autres ? Non. Alors ? Alors, laissez faire la France, à moins que vos calculs ne vous forcent à envenimer les déchirements pour donner le change sur vos propres embarras. Mais les haineuses excitations, dans l'état où est le monde, à quoi peuvent-elles conduire si
BingoBoingo: btcdrak: ty, do you want to do a qntra on it?
mircea_popescu: non au cataclysme universel. Devant la race des hommes aujourd'hui, il n'y a que deux routes : la guerre ou la fraternité. En Algérie comme partout, la France, pour sa part, a choisi la Fraternité. Vive la République, vive l'Algérie et la France !"
btcdrak: BingoBoingo: I would love too, finding time is the problem atm.
BingoBoingo: btcdrak: k
mircea_popescu: this, of course, followed the next year by
mircea_popescu: " C’est très bien qu’il y ait des Français jaunes, des Français noirs, des Français bruns.
mircea_popescu: Ils montrent que la France est ouverte à toutes les races et qu’elle a une vocation universelle. Mais à condition qu’ils restent une petite minorité. Sinon, la France ne serait plus la France . Nous sommes quand même avant tout un peuple européen de race blanche, de culture grecque et latine et de religion chrétienne.
mircea_popescu: Qu’on ne se raconte pas d’histoire ! Les musulmans, vous êtes allés les voir ? Vous les avez regardés avec leurs turbans et leurs djellabas ? Vous voyez bien que ce ne sont pas des Français. Ceux qui prônent l’intégration ont une cervelle de colibri, même s’ils sont très savants. Essayez d’intégrer de l’huile et du vinaigre. Agitez la bouteille. Au bout d’un moment, ils se sépareront de nouveau.
mircea_popescu: Les Arabes sont des Arabes, les Français sont des Français. Vous croyez que le corps français peut absorber dix millions de musulmans, qui demain seront vingt millions et après-demain quarante ? Si nous faisions l’intégration, si tous les Arabes et les Berbères d’Algérie étaient considérés comme Français, comment les empêcherez-vous de venir s’installer en métropole, alors que le niveau de vie y est
mircea_popescu: tellement plus élevé ? Mon village ne s’appellerait plus Colombey-les-Deux-Églises, mais Colombey-les-Deux-Mosquées"
asciilifeform: l0lzy
mircea_popescu: aha. it shocks me, by the way, that supposedly college educated anglos lack the ability to recall major speeches.
mircea_popescu: they don't do this in school over there ?
mircea_popescu: i mean, not having any idea what hitler said, whatever, they're stupid. but not de gaulle either ? not anyone ? "i have a dream" an' thassit ?
asciilifeform: and it isn't as if no one translated..
mircea_popescu: aha. the recipe... it is there.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the ezeiza airport has a humongo printout of the guy's speech the one time an euro head of state visited.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2015#1324800 << let's say they do? then what ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2015 16:01:46; BingoBoingo: Anyways the Mizzou stuff seems set to do the long drawn out irrelevance thing now as occupy did, unless they do some actual rioting
asciilifeform: sovereign people's black republic of missouri ?
asciilifeform: ... or 'pour la canaille faut la mitraille' !
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sharpton shows up repping the FBI, like Ferguson
asciilifeform: btw kakobrekla's log www seems to mutilate mircea_popescu's fr paste
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually... check out the obscurantism engine. "No se han encontrado resultados para tu búsqueda (site:http://fresques.ina.fr/de-gaulle/ "Colombey-les-Deux-Mosquées")."
mircea_popescu: meanwhile it has all the irrelevant crap, such as http://fresques.ina.fr/de-gaulle/fiche-media/Gaulle00271/voyage-en-roumanie-visite-a-craiova.html
assbot: Charles de gaulle - paroles publiques - Voyage en Roumanie, visite à Craiova ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mg0I3Q )
asciilifeform: quite possibly for same reason
asciilifeform: diacritic marks
mircea_popescu: uh.
mircea_popescu: god damned nonascii crapolade.
asciilifeform: ahahaha.
mircea_popescu: "oh, it works". it works like my foot.
asciilifeform: wurks aha
asciilifeform: except that it doesn't
mircea_popescu: now i can't search fucking french
mircea_popescu: if i use plain letters "oh, it's not found", if i use shitmarks, either.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck grrrr
asciilifeform: and yes there was somehow supposed to be a logical reduction of the бнопня (look it up) to actual latinate
asciilifeform: but never happened in implementation
asciilifeform: http://lurkmore.to/%D0%91%D0%9D%D0%9E%D0%9F%D0%9D%D0%AF << for n00bz
assbot: БНОПНЯ — Lurkmore ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mg0Ro9 )
mircea_popescu: obviously.
mircea_popescu: do you know why ? because it would have proven in practice the stupidity/irrelevance of the shitmark scheme
asciilifeform: aha pinyinization
mircea_popescu: "why bother with shitmarks when search runs on sanity anyway"
asciilifeform doesn't own a cyrillic kbd btw. straight 'translit' (ru equiv. of pinyin) always.
mircea_popescu: obviously searching for just "colombey-les-deux" happily yields 5000 fucking references to the guy's birthplace on that site, but not the actual relevant speech.
mircea_popescu: because logic.
asciilifeform: i fuckin hate diacritic marks
asciilifeform: would rather work in jp kanji than latin with crud sprinkled on
mircea_popescu: makes two of us.
mircea_popescu: No se han encontrado resultados para tu búsqueda (site:http://fresques.ina.fr/de-gaulle/ jaunes noirs bruns).
asciilifeform: http://lurkmore.so/images/b/b9/Injalid_drije.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUtae9 )
mircea_popescu: check it out, they purged fucking symbolism out of their version of history too!
mircea_popescu: buncha idiots these people.
mircea_popescu: meanehile ina.fr takes a week to load main page, you know what shitheads, i hope they bomb you too.
mircea_popescu: this isn't a confrontation between orcs and culture. this is a confrontation between earnest orcs and pretentious orcs, and my heart goes out to the earnest set.
mircea_popescu: rape the fucking lot already, leave the ground clear.
mircea_popescu: 286 elements , and still hasn't fucking loaded.
asciilifeform: earnest orcs aren't a neutron bomb, they don't do 'clear', they leave behind writhing mess of breeding scum and 'international komyooonitiiii' charitycase
asciilifeform: scar tissue.
mircea_popescu: they are neutron bomb in the sense that they are poor.
mircea_popescu: and em-poor-en. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: all the problems of idiots come from idiots having been given money.
mircea_popescu: a COLOSSAL mistake.
mircea_popescu: it will have to be burned out of the idiot society, one way or another.
asciilifeform: afaik the 'refugee' horde is a much more effective, in the aggregate, idiot money magnet than, e.g., fr
mircea_popescu: mno.
mircea_popescu: back when Colombey-les-Deux-Églises consists of 100 french people, it has some money to pay for five stupid women to go to new york and "live just like in that movie"
asciilifeform: http://thewildones.faketrix.com/content/pictures/page-2/original_files/feeding-rats-milk-Karni-Mata-Temple-Rajasthan-India.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mg1z4A )
mircea_popescu: once 100 young male able bodied orcs move in, there's going to be 500 more kids the next decade, and not enough money to pay for halfd that many abortions
mircea_popescu: this is exactly as it fucking should be.
mircea_popescu: in other words, turns out i hate contemporary europe a helluva lot more than i hate muslims. which i suppose makes me exactly a libertard, politically.
mircea_popescu: now what.
asciilifeform: gotta go unburn that koran, l0l
mircea_popescu: eh i wouldn't go that far.
mircea_popescu: i don't like any of them. i just despise some more than others.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00053907 = 11.8056 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: at least this time around we're keeping records, so next time around when marya timofeevna/julia mikhaylovna (no fucking idea why these are different characters - no, wait, OBVIOUSLY. gotta not-implement proper search!) start with the "oh the poor peasants, how they die in the mud and their children are hungry" nonsense we just strip them, tie them to a tree, whip them bloody and leave them there.
mircea_popescu: let the peasants fucking have them, or else the dogs.
asciilifeform: gonna have to keep these records in what, an unburned parchment in an unburnable library of not-alexandria ?
mircea_popescu: vellum.
mircea_popescu: literally, skin of veal.
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mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is a perfect task for the apprentice with a desire to figure out "the russian novel", as the typically eastern stupidity is politely called.
mircea_popescu: "explain why mt and jm are different characters".
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28843 @ 0.00053283 = 15.3684 BTC [-] {2}
phf: fwiw kakobrekla's log is not fucking up the text. mp is sending latin-1, so kako's utf-8 reader substitutes ? for broken utf sequences. there's not much that can be done. could try and guess the encoding on a per-message basis, could also just pass through the messages 8bit clean and let the browser complain. the last option allows you to play the good old "guess the page encoding by switching between them until the right one comes out"
phf: game
phf: the easiest option is for mp to make sure that his client is sending utf-8 at all times, but i've no idea what ungodly combination of xterm/xchat settings achieves that reliably
mircea_popescu: moreover, the text i fucking used as a base is latin-1.
mircea_popescu: and im not doing fucking encoding conversions.
mircea_popescu: everything must support everything that EVER EXISTED or go die.
phf: i suspect that your client is 8bit clean and simply passes things through as they are given to it
mircea_popescu: yup
trinque: I took pains to make sure what ended up deeded didn't end up mangled from kakobrekla's copy; bytes in bytes out
mircea_popescu: and whatever pains you took, you still can't sleep easy in the knowledge that more pains won't be requisite in the future.
trinque: I am certain they will.
mircea_popescu: the only solution to this is the genocide of the french.
trinque: !b 9 ✂︎
assbot: Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2V1FTG7.txt )
jurov: apparently most irc clients try utf8, if invalid, then cp1252 fallback: http://xchat.org/encoding/
assbot: XChat - IRC (chat) client for UNIX ... ( http://bit.ly/1kysUGg )
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deedbot-: [fr.anco.is] X.EUR November 15th statement - http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-november-15th-statement/
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davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1323258 <<< aye ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 00:25:06; ben_vulpes: davout: you still alive?
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ben_vulpes: ;;later tell naphex http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=14-11-2015#1323389 << yo where does xotika's design land in the context of this conversation? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 02:10:59; ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you don't. there are no urls, there's a javascript application that stands on the dom.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: http://news.softpedia.com/news/police-body-cameras-shipped-with-pre-installed-conficker-virus-496177.shtml
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deedbot-: [cascadian hacker] Links 2015-11-15 Sun: PumPum, evidence of an oil glut, garbage text generators, "information security", constraint-solving and pattern matching in Common Lisp, and a roboticized freight terminal! - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/11/15_links-2015-11-15-sun-pumpum-evidence-of-an-oil-glut-garbage-text-generators-information-security-constraint-solving-and-pattern-matching-in-common-lisp-and
jurov: 404 Not Found (nginx/1.7.6)
jurov: ah, deedbot got cut: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/11/15_links-2015-11-15-sun-pumpum-evidence-of-an-oil-glut-garbage-text-generators-information-security-constraint-solving-and-pattern-matching-in-common-lisp-and-a-roboticized-freight-terminal.html
assbot: Links 2015-11-15 Sun: PumPum, evidence of an oil glut, garbage text generators, "information security", constraint-solving and pattern matching in Common Lisp, and a roboticized freight terminal! ... ( http://bit.ly/1N5BlVW )
jurov: trinque, bugreport^
mircea_popescu: o yeah, wonder what happeend to Naphex
jurov: i guess to stop overlong URLs, we gotta genocide the cascadians, too.
mircea_popescu: ;;google "death comes for you all!"
gribble: Death - Wikiquote: <https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Death>; Darksiders II - Death Comes for All (Official UK) - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epcKk_D2khg>; Darksiders II: Death Comes for All - Official HD - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xetMI-J_9Q>
mircea_popescu: anyone remeber the dwarf in baldur's gate ?
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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes re the entire "PR strategy of attaching oneself to a hot story" angle : the terrain on which this happens has been set by mitt "the imbecile" romney and his orca campaign fiasco.
mircea_popescu: the wonder whether a repeat is likely at all is on one hand legitimate , and on the other lightyear beneath what we'd consider security.
phf: jurov: apparently most irc clients try utf8, if invalid, then cp1252 fallback: http://xchat.org/encoding/ << yeah, that's basically the hack that i'm using in my homegrown log reader. read the stream, if it errors out on encoding issues, rewind back to last known good position, read again with latin-1, switch back to utf-8
assbot: XChat - IRC (chat) client for UNIX ... ( http://bit.ly/1kysUGg )
mircea_popescu: and re the oil discussion : the matter is very complex, notwithstanding how important it is. and yes, broadly speaking it's correct to say that the trend is to move "technical basis" of price away from "marginal cost of new capacity" to "operating cost of extant capacity". the reason for this however i propose is not by a longshot policy, but purely existential (in simple terms, we, ie the world, ie white people are mo
mircea_popescu: ving away from a "frontier" worldwiew and toward a "cargo cult"/scavenger world view. consequently the notion that new things can be made is being gradually abandoned. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: no present capital / intent of future investment / financial policy setting etc has any bearing or impact on this, as it's purely a cultural matter.
mircea_popescu: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?214896-BGT-LP-(seriously)&s=7daad45a893871ded8e9351bb7091e51 << people taking baldur's gate WAY seriously
assbot: BGT LP (seriously) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yck5QR )