mircea_popescu: in other news : i've had your resume read by my hr, and that woman has read probably 15k by now.
mircea_popescu: "this is, without a doubt, the worst resume i have ever seen."
☟︎ danielpbarron: ok.. i have a bitcoind binary file that i did myself! :D
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kanzure: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: %d. This may take a few moments.\n Could not find your key. Check if your key is available on keyservers and try later.
kanzure: well i was going to write %f but then i realized i value my life
kanzure: also, do you have any hints for how i can make the incentives paper more lolworthy?
kanzure: i was trying to do both sort of
kanzure: like, it is completely ridiculous that such a document is required
mircea_popescu: !register <full_gpg_keyid> << are youdoing the full thing ?
assbot: Nick mircea_popescu is already taken.
kanzure: no i mean it's required in the sense that apparently some of those issues are non-obvious to others
kanzure: quite literally some do not think that nodes can be malicious
mircea_popescu: <assbot> Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452. This may take a few moments.
mircea_popescu: <assbot> Key 2FB7B452 / "Mircea Popescu (Acest articol are apriori avantajul aliteralitatii alaturi.) <office@polimedia.us>" successfully imported.
kanzure: or have different implementations
kanzure: "Nick kanzure is already taken."
felipelalli: cazalla BingoBoingo please talk about Italy in Qntra.net as pete_dushenski suggested! This is huge!
mircea_popescu: kanzure ima devoice you now. say !up in private to assbot, decryot the otp then say !v
mircea_popescu: <kanzure> "!up" is still giving me "Could not find your key. Check if your key is available on keyservers and try later.""
kanzure: "!v" is giving me "Need a decrypted verification string."
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: pete already wrote on itally for qntra.net
kanzure: can someone just give me assbot source code or something
felipelalli: BingoBoingo: I'm sorry, you guys are too fast. I saw just the last 3 articles.
felipelalli: And it was yesterday, I'm an idiot. Thanks.
kanzure: mircea_popescu: of course nodes are hostile... but this needs to be written down (apparently).
kanzure: part of it is that i don't trust anyone to keep the whole threat model in their head
kanzure: and waiting for petertodd to start telling you to go fuck yourself is just a bad strategy
mircea_popescu: you know most of the lolz there are as to how incomplete it is
kanzure: yeah i would estmate that it's no where near useful at the moment
kanzure: also does anyone know of a design for a planar engine? can be gas/steam/whatever. just needs to be manufactured in one step.
felipelalli: cazalla: thanks cazalla, I skipped unintentionally.
felipelalli: I was excited because my family is Italian and I have Italian passport.
kanzure: kakobrekla: how was i able to "!up" in the past?
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mircea_popescu: yeah the missing piece of your puzzlement here might be that gribble got forked
mircea_popescu: in any case, the notion of "writing down incentives" is a little silly.
mircea_popescu: the idea that some sort of serious analysis can be based on that fails fundamentally, in that it tries to work on the basis of goals rather than from causes.
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kanzure: was not aware of gribble fork
kanzure: asciilifeform: hplusroadmap is discussing said concept
kanzure: wikipedia image does not make me think a tesla turbine is flat
mircea_popescu: So Randi goes to Davos, never once asking why they would want her there? Convincing her demo of underproducing hyperconsumers that capitalism-- controlling capital-- is pointless and mean, but globalism-- doublespoken as "progress", "human rights", "everything is connected"-- that is a noble cause. Remember that the "culture" she thinks she speaks for, including those that hate her-- "the startup culture"-- is premis
mircea_popescu: ed on starting a business in order to sell the business to someone else. Of course the idea is to get rich-- which sounds like capitalism, if you're retarded, but observe the message that is being taught: that the necessary correlate to getting rich is to give all the capital to someone else. The power is traded for the fetish of power. That's not capitalism, it is madness, and apparently Davos and Randi think wom
mircea_popescu: en especially will heart it. It'll work for a handful of well publicized people pictured above the caption, "$100 billion! You could be next!"-- followed immediately by a story about how worthless the business turned out to be, so of course the goal for you is to sell out ASAP; but the vast majority who have aligned their psychology with this vector will pursue an impossible fantasy at the expense of their labor an
mircea_popescu: d their lives. If you don't believe me, believe Lori Gottlieb. This logic recommended to her to drop out of Stanford medical school to join Kibu.com, and now she's a relationship expert.
kanzure: asciilifeform: yes please. although other one-pass manufacturing processes will be considered.
mircea_popescu: im perhaps slow, but what is "one pass mfg process" even mean ?!
kanzure: it means "don't spend 100 hours assembling tiny parts into a bigger device"
kanzure: i would say "printable engine" except then i would hate myself
mircea_popescu: kanzure this nomenclature you use is very confusing for (admittedly,. old) people with actual manufacutring management experience. it sounds a lot like the earlier discussed lighbulb sql.
kanzure: well that's what you get when mechanical engineering departments spend more time teaching me fucking excel spreadsheets than, you know, engineering
mircea_popescu: basically, the notion that all manufacturing processes can be divided into an arbitrary number of passes at a gain of productivity is the tenet of that business for a century now.
kanzure: asciilifeform: at minimum i need a few tens of newtons of force... in general.
kanzure: that's more the reason here
mircea_popescu: well inasmuch you can print a bottle and fill it with a gas, you can make a rocket that'll produce 10 newtons or more.
kanzure: nothing in particular, just generic actuators i guess
kanzure: linear screw thread actuators are very useful at all sorts of sizes, but hard to manufacture (= require more steps and parts and manufacturing processes)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i moved on to that after building a generic jammer, in my childhood :D
kanzure: oh that doesn't matter, you can convert most forms of motion
mircea_popescu: "Every time you hear the word globalism, you should hear three things: 1. wealth uncoupled from work product. 2. Lifestyle as a reflection of your personal self-worth. 3. You give up control of the capital, and by capital I mean you. "Do I still get paid?" Sure, but you have to promise to spend more than what we pay. "How will that work?" Don't worry, Visa will explain it all to you."
kanzure: i'm not sure if mircea_popescu is being serious about this
kanzure: since asciilifeform seems to understand i'll drop it
kanzure: a comb drive is approximately what i want
kanzure: except it doesn't work for large amounts of force
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought the inchworm's main application was precise movement
kanzure: hm i have a magnetohydrodynamics person in hplusroadmap. i will pester him.
kanzure: where should i look for evidence of large force magnetohydrodynamic actuators
mircea_popescu: anyway inchworm means piezo in my head for some reason.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform granted. just one of those mental automatisms that never had a chance to run into a door before.
kanzure: a minute on youtube saves a decade in my lab
kanzure: right... nobody in their right mind should use youtube.. yet here i am.
kanzure: vaguely connected i suppose
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mircea_popescu: kanzure seriously, if efficiency is not a concern (and i take it not to be since you never mentioned it yet), a succession of bottles is your best bet.
kanzure: having a flat/planar/single-pass-manufactured engine or actuator would be very useful for many reasons
mircea_popescu: ok this is an idea! glass pane stirling heated by laser.
kanzure: someone made a laser-pumped microfluidic device which was cute
mircea_popescu: what's a good working fluid ? (high absorbtion / high expansion with temp) ?
kanzure: also for cell lysis but w/e
mircea_popescu: i was thinking, it's probably something like mg permanganate water solution
kanzure: yeah but nobody is selling me a multi-kilowatt surface mount laser
kanzure: ebay is selling surface mount lasers that do >1 kW? hrm /me looks again
kanzure: gah why did you send to me ebay
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fairness, he could probably get away even with duct taping resistors on the pane.
kanzure: anyway this is not for micromotion
kanzure: why can't i just have lots of reusable motion devices? >:(
kanzure: let's say powering a conventional cnc machine maybe
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and therein lies your answer. or to quote the shockingly on point tlp, "Think seriously about what she (thinks she) wants: acceptance of her individuality-- by work. Not for her work product-- there is none; but for her individuality, by work.
assbot: It's great /JuliaAngwin got GPG donation love. Now OTR needs some too. It's much better crypto in many threat models
https://t.co/MvruCAd1Ka kanzure: or car... but it wont really ever be used in a car i hope..
mircea_popescu: First question: which work? Not the job you have, it's real, and it's boring. It is a future "career", the fantasy environment seen on TV dramas where all of life takes place.
mircea_popescu: Second question: why work? Men are not being taught to want their job to value them, in fact, men want as little to do with their jobs as possible. Randi and the globalism party bus are teaching women to want "careers"-- more precisely, to want to draw more of their identity from their careers."
kanzure: asciilifeform: i actually am very fond of linear screw actuators, but i would prefer something that can be manufactured using spatial light modulation with basically zero assembly steps.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo can the otr folks get pointed to the fact that a) openbsd got 20k and b) they'd better get their ass in here and start working up a track record ?
kanzure: mhd looks like it could work
kanzure: i am also fond of things on the order of "resistive heating element + some surface" heh
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i dunno, i guess i'll look into it more and see who he is, really only had a laff and moved on
mircea_popescu: i like the principle, and the man deserves front page and his picture on the newspaper.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I wouldn't know where to start on that danielpbarron is having some sort of twitter conversation with Weev and just wanted to suggest there might be use cases for the OTR thing.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo me either, which is why i pester you about it :)
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "because the joo's a lazy reader." << pardon?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed, sort of like gossipd.
mircea_popescu: i changed my mind, you're not lazy, you're the heart of tactfulness.
kanzure: asciilifeform: i have various parts laying around for homefab of microelectronics (on the order of a few hundred microns but whatever)
kanzure: planning on same system for microfluidics adventures
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes just keeps his tact quiet most of the time.
mircea_popescu: kanzure alf spent i dunno, a year or os ? trying to build essentially a pick n place / fab lab for cardano
kanzure: basically ghetto projector pointed down microscope tube
kanzure: have i ever ranted to you about my apt-get for hardware stuff
kanzure: hmm then i will pencil that in sometime
kanzure: basically i want hardware but i don't want to have to spend my life reading millions of pages of documentation
kanzure: microelectronics vlsi doesn't require millions (well.. i mean.. not to make a single chip)
mircea_popescu: what'd that be, pages of documentation that double every year ?
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 06:51:10; ben_vulpes: absolutely none of this qualifies you to have an opinion about block size.
kanzure: if making anything always requires me to make impossible investments in time and energy then none of the fun stuff will get made
ben_vulpes: making anything always requires impossible investments of time and energy.
kanzure: that's only because we're idiots
ben_vulpes: impossible's more a function of available time/energy anyways. not an absolute thing.
mircea_popescu: no, it's because Ὁ βίος βραχύς, ἡ δὲ τέχνη μακρή, ὁ δὲ καιρὸς ὀξύς, ἡ δὲ πεῖρα σφαλερή, ἡ δὲ κρίσις χαλεπή.
kanzure: i wasn't claiming i was mass manufacturing anything like that at home
mircea_popescu: stop getting in the way of dreams and aspirations alfie
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] kanzure: tried plain old tesla turbine ? << talk about boyhood dreams
ben_vulpes: i built so much errata in pursuit of that thing
kanzure: asciilifeform: also.. we should run a (human) selective breeding program for cryoresuscitation-compatibility.
kanzure: well why bother with breathing at that point? what?
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decimation: lol that chip shooter is hardcore, but how many bezzlars?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: weren't you killing people and building criminal empires then?
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] flat enough with one disk << i did my own axle and used HD disks to get better boundary layer performance
mircea_popescu: incidentally re teh cryo stuff, anyone seen hibernatus ?
ben_vulpes: never got the gas steam bearings to work tho
decimation: mircea_popescu: lol he goes on: "It's probably unnecessary to point out that this increase in lifestyle is built on the increased work product of whoever will do it for 30 cents an hour, and anyway it is a red herring. The real attraction for us isn't just the lifestyle, but that it systematizes-- it makes normal-- not ever wondering: how come we have more lifestyle when we didn't do more work? "
mircea_popescu: decimation the guy's exquisite chjoice of relevant subject matter, and the fearless approach has thoroughly impressed me.
ben_vulpes: i also kicked around a design for a nifty reciprocal engine where the piston was really just a magnet-bearing shuttle zipping back and forth through coils for insta-ac
mircea_popescu: " My face is in my hands and I wonder how anyone could be asked to raise a girl in such a world? Recently a female cardiologist with a "difficult" 10 year old daughter who had been well trained to want things but not control things asked me if I had read "the study in the New York Times"-- !?!?!?!?!?-- that said that people with the same surname, over generations, continued to achieve the same level of wealth, showing
mircea_popescu: "therefore" that genetic factors were more important than the home environment in determining social mobility, isn't that probably true? Having to do this sober I asked her, "But didn't you change your surname 11 years ago? Or are you betting she can just upgrade hers?" What else could I say? If you read it, it's for you?"
mircea_popescu: the divorcing of people's skills from their general ability to think, neatly mirroring the divorce between want and control, and for that matter between capital and power.
mircea_popescu: "how to support the welfare state ? oh, simply cut everyone in two and hide the halves"
mircea_popescu: "you can probably extract some work out of the desperate movements of half people in the environment'
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 23:51:15; mircea_popescu: "The one great example is IBM, which faced disruption and existential threat from PCs in the early 1990s and emerged stronger and is still a thriving company. "
BingoBoingo: decimation: Sure, keeps making more dollars for doing less things.
decimation: as far as I can gather from employee comments, the 'thriving' at IBM basically consists of brokering indians to write shit code
mircea_popescu: but in the insane story of post-qe world, it makes it's own sort of sense.
BingoBoingo: IBM's probably one of the largest benefactors of fiat world inflation
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: water works surprisingly well << oh let us not get ben_vulpes started on the wonders of steam
mircea_popescu: trinque: you want to build your visa? build it on bitcoin, but don't systemd the thing and decide it must have a visa built in << that's not a bnad angle.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "process man" << i guess more accurate than i ever thought
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes didja get on the part of teh log where the entire d&t think you were discussing with danielpbarron etc is dispelled ?
decimation: re: IBM in the 90's < they didn't 'face disruption', they made one of the largest mistakes in business history
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 07:23:19; punkman: phillipsjk: the 1MB limit is not to stop spam
decimation: they had 30 years of usg/bezzlar computers locked up and were too retarded to market it
mircea_popescu: see, they had 30 years locked up, and AS A CONDITION OF THIS LOCK UP they couldn't market it.
mircea_popescu: because they had to spend their time instead discussing how young men should wear a tie.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: where did you get that key, anyways? did you buy it? << fwiw i believe teh guy's genuine.
mircea_popescu: trinque: will my btcd still fart transactions at other nodes if I haven't finished syncing the blockchain? << yes.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: the man's talking about btcd, not bitcoind
mod6: ok, i've dumped block 168000
ben_vulpes: nah, comes from andresens bag of snakes
mircea_popescu: BLOCK 000000000000099e61ea72015e79632f216fe6cb33d7899acb35b75c8303b763 << it checks out.
mod6: and bag-o-snakes doesn't turn up 168,001 which makes sense, since it chokes on somethingthere
mod6: mircea_popescu: correct.
mircea_popescu: mod6 a remote possibility was that your problem somehow came from a bad block, tho i have/had no idea wtf that'd be
ben_vulpes: what was the story with a certain version of ssl breaking some kinds of btc signatures?
mod6: block 168,000 was accepted
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes most recent openssl which bitcoind imports decided to accept as valid padded sigs
mod6: something in block 168,001 makes it puke perhaps from that failed VerifySignature
mircea_popescu: mod6 yes but see, a 168`000 diddled block is a huge issue, because checkpoint.
mod6: maybe it's not a diddled 168,000 block
mod6: maybe its 168,001 that's hosing us.
ben_vulpes: i think mp's implication is that 168001 is diddled
mod6: well, im just trying to pin it down to where we go wrong.
mod6: i can still provide some sort of binary dump.
mod6: im just gathering data as best/quickly as i can
mod6: you testing on your end?
mod6: which version, which patches?
trinque: mircea_popescu: yeh need the confirmation though to publish
trinque: that drive got destroyed in the process; blockchain on the server's now at like aug 2013
mircea_popescu: mod6 oh the mysterious mp stuff, most of which dates from 2012
trinque: I guess I could just ask blockchain.info for the confirmations in the meantime
trinque: ben_vulpes: I don't realy want to...
mod6: yeah, i mean, as recently as the 26th of january I was able to full sync and send/receive with: v053+patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, & 6 } and other people have gotten past it as well. so its not consistant as far as I can tell.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00039794 = 6.4466 BTC [+]
mod6: hmm. anyway, ok. anyway, that's pretty much the latest.
mod6: so I'll keep digging in the blk0001.dat file to see what I can find in there.
mircea_popescu: "Once the attack was discovered, Anthem immediately made every effort to close the security vulnerability, contacted the FBI and began fully cooperating with their investigation. Anthem has also retained Mandiant, one of the world’s leading cybersecurity firms, to evaluate our systems and identify solutions based on the evolving landscape."
ben_vulpes: none of the portatronic builds are wedging like this, right?
mircea_popescu: "dear sheep. we lost your mother. we paid off the government agent for a fix. the fix is in. fuck you."
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: do you have a wedged portatron?
mircea_popescu: "From the Desk of Joseph R. Swedish President and CEO Anthem, Inc." << "we now act just like warrior forum scammers - it's the industree"
assbot: You have not rated lobbes.
danielpbarron: i will soon be testing a non-bastard one that i compiled myself
mircea_popescu: !rate lobbes 1 Well... he did teach himself how to view a directory...
danielpbarron: i had to change "make install" to "make install_sw" for the openssl compilation
danielpbarron: the only thing i changed in that file is the make install thing
danielpbarron: this is the 2nd time i've sucessfully installed gentoo on something
decimation: mircea_popescu: lol anthem is my health insurance
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: that gets me two up on you
danielpbarron: i can't copy paste it easily right now, but it's the same as that asciilifeform
decimation: they said they would send a special email later when they "figure out" if I am affected or not
decimation: the bigger issue is the fact that you have to keep your social security number a 'secret'
mircea_popescu: decimation well... secret in the sense you're supposed to keep your genitals secret neh ?
decimation: in the us, if someone has your name, address, and ssn they can apply for 'credit' on your behalf
decimation: similarly, they can present themselves to the local doctor as you and send you medical bills
decimation: somehow this is not the problem, it's the fact that derps can't keep the ssn 'secret' is the problem
decimation: asciilifeform: just as secret as your credit card number
decimation: asciilifeform: the inevitable conclusion is that the banks/usg do not mind criminals making money off the fucktarded system
decimation: it is certainly one way that wealth is is transferred to the 'deserving' - robin hood style
mircea_popescu: well, you may not believe this or like this, but... my banking depends on my gpg signature o.O
decimation: asciilifeform: right, the banks don't give a shit because 1.) they generally don't get stuck with the bill and 2.) when they do, usg prints them up some bezzlars
decimation: the whole system tends to inject bezzlars randomly throughout the 'real' economy
decimation: asciilifeform: look in the corner of his computer room - looks like a radio transmitter above his o-scope
mircea_popescu: "What is Social Security Number (SSN) Randomization? The project is a forward looking initiative of the Social Security Administration (SSA) to help protect the integrity of the SSN by establishing a new randomized assignment methodology. SSN Randomization will also extend the longevity of the nine-digit SSN nationwide."
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ahem. 9 digits are going to be sufficient for 300mn people ?
decimation: mircea_popescu: it's a lulzy recycling program - in the past, us ssn's were assigned by geographical region
decimation: no that's the point of that 'randomization' program I think
decimation: asciilifeform: the reason given against crypto is that the masses would reject a 'universal id' card
decimation: but I don't see why the government should have anything to do with verifying identity anyway
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decimation: why can't I go to the local costco and broker credit through them?
decimation: but you see in the usa, it is unthinkable that usg wouldn't issue keys
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00039713 = 9.5708 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: or similarly, it is unthinkable that a non-usg-approved-bank would issue credit or bank
thestringpuller: why would you not one smith who can make any key for any vessel?
thestringpuller: but concept of keymaker "program" entity/individual who is skeleton key maker
mircea_popescu: so basically, by pulling a ssn out of my arse i have just about 1:2 odds of hitting someone
mircea_popescu: and what's better, since they are re=used, you needn't only worry about your own indiscretions, but those of people long dead
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think this is the best proof possible that current usg does not expect to survive more than a few years into the future anyway.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: this is probably how CIA makes assets these days
decimation: "Generals and others have been known to become so frustrated with the existing devices that they switch to personal cellphones to conduct classified conversations, according to a former U.S. official."
mircea_popescu: decimation they probably manifest that list of qualities which made "state' such a damning adjective in romanian.
mircea_popescu: to get an idea, picture blackberry today. in romanian it'd be "state ipad"
mircea_popescu: people's disenchantment with their own wives isn't predicated on the theory that somewhere there's a sane woman waiting.
decimation: asciilifeform: yes it's actually an extraordinary admission of usg's capitulation
decimation: "making things secure is hard, let's just give up"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform heh reuters has a yearlong delay off trilema huh.
decimation: eh, I'm not so sure. the implication of that would be that usg is extraordinarily competent
mircea_popescu: um... wouldn't you just set the bomb to go off when the jammer goes by ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66000 @ 0.00038944 = 25.703 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: set it to go off whenever a large collection of radiodildoes, phones and toy cars goes over it
decimation does not condone violence against any living thing
mircea_popescu: i condone all violence that doesn't sit around waiting for my condonement.
mircea_popescu: 'I don't want to join the bloody Army, I don't want to go unto the war; I want no more to roam, I'd rather stay at home, Living on the earnings of a whore.'
decimation: which is of course its only possible route to relevance
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decimation: asciilifeform: apparently real estate deals and indian shit-code are its core business now
decimation: kind like hp's core business is printer ink
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no but it makes them because "it controls the ip" or how did that line go/
mircea_popescu: nobody else could make ti pocket calculators for lack of ti chip documentation. leaving alone why anyone would want to, after ti paid for tha someone to build their plants.
mircea_popescu: myeah. obviously point meant as a general - and thus indefensible - jab >
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ^ these were mandatory (!? i know) in the school << TI's survival is hinged to the "education standards" bezzel
decimation: asciilifeform: re: road 200 << I actually drove on this road a few times. it was pointlessly empty, as well as having a low speed limit (55 mph)
decimation: it was built as a favor to one of the wash dc land barons
decimation: asciilifeform: it is my understanding that the toll machines are 'banned' from enforcing speed limit
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No, I had the TI-89, mostly the same except for form factor. I have no idea what that important looking rectangle is.
mircea_popescu: "And yet somehow the ruling class decayed, lost its ability, its daring, finally even its ruthlessness, until a time came when stuffed shirts like Eden or Halifax could stand out as men of exceptional talent. As for Baldwin, one could not even dignify him with the name of stuffed shirt. He was simply a hole in the air. "
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 89 was same "civillian" form factor as 83, On the 92 user accessible rom like that could be a thing.
BingoBoingo: That it was. I wasn't a fan of the aesthetics of the redesign
cazalla: ah damn that was good ghetto bouillabaisse
decimation: asciilifeform: I like the 5.2 amp hour battery
decimation: but it would be useful for powering all kinds of interesting widgets
decimation: asciilifeform: do you know what cpu it has? some arm variant?
decimation: well the main cpu runs some kind of arm probably because it appears to run android
decimation: ah no the android software is running on a phone connected to the device, sorry for the confusion
decimation: huh I didn't realize google supported non-arm chips
decimation: actually that little device (wi-copy) would be a good buy just to harvest the parts
decimation: hp t5325 'thin client' < 512 mb ram, marvell 88F6281
decimation: the whole 'thin client' idea is hilarious stupidity
decimation: 'we take away ur computerz so u can be productive'
decimation: aye. and for the secretary using 'word' it would be fine, more-or-less
decimation: for retail clerks: why not serial terminals? what does the mouse gui add?
assbot: Logged on 02-12-2014 03:31:49; assbot: Logged on 11-09-2014 03:44:22; *: decimation remembers every pos and library using said terminals growing up, only to be replaced with buggy-ass windows for no reason
decimation: aye, my first job was a library clerk, using an ibm serial terminal
decimation: had a 'laser scanner' peripheral, even
decimation: I recall the library was running some variant of 'unisys'
decimation: actually they shouldn't have capitulated to the modern gui idiocy
decimation: today you could build a really cheap serial terminal, perhaps with 'e-ink' display
decimation: but probably not fast enough for a full terminal
decimation: at any rate, it's moot because libraries in the us don't see the point in keeping books anymore
decimation: every year or two her cheapass kindle 'breaks'
decimation: usually, the screen stops updating. I never bothered fixing it, figured it wasn't worth my time
decimation: I should try the hack to see if I can fix it
decimation: I think the ebook sales are mostly woman-porn
decimation: they can read in public without showing the embarassing covers
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and if you need to bash something what do you do ?
decimation: sufficiently many people believe in paying for ebooks I guess
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mircea_popescu: but fine, the notes : suppose you now want to write an article. how do you type, and how do you send it to trilema ?
mircea_popescu: o wait, this is like a woman that's useful as long as another woman is around ?
decimation: lol mircea_popescu no one types on the kindle
mircea_popescu: decimation my poinbt being, i can't really do anything of the intellect without the whole computer.
mircea_popescu: but my mental life is not compartimentalized, like kitchen.
decimation: no, it's a 'read-only' device. the model is that the reader has nothing to say
mircea_popescu: in short, i know of no other process involving the noggin than the full process.
mircea_popescu: in the book days i used to have my books filled with papers.
mircea_popescu: as in, have someone to (cut, if uncut) and prefill with blank paper.
decimation: how do you scribble in an ascii text file?
mircea_popescu: and the worst thing a maid could do is drop a wreath of books on the way to shelving
mircea_popescu: good god. a cloud of now useless paper, and a criminal eyed mp
decimation: asciilifeform: but how do you separate your changes from the original text? does emacs do this?
decimation: I guess there are many simple solutions.
mircea_popescu: i guess im a reactionary. i own, substantially, the exact kind of machine i had as a child.
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mircea_popescu: it went from 16 to 64 bits, sure, but otherwise the box is exactly the same size even
mircea_popescu: i have half a dozen laptops which i use... maybe a day a season, or something, between the lot.
mircea_popescu: i borrowed an ipad for a coupla weeks to check out the games and i gave it back without regrets - more with relief.
decimation: ipad is great for entertaining small children
mircea_popescu: i don't think anything ever was as stulfifying as the ipad game scene. perhaps the failed nes.
decimation: that's pretty much the mental model of the ipad
decimation: 'tap on large icons, receive reward' is pretty much intelligible for 12 months and older
mircea_popescu: that's pretty much the only non-infantile use of the thing.
decimation: my daughter loves her 'app' that forces her to re-order numbers, letters, and phrases to receive a cartoon reward
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cazalla: decimation, what's wrong with old fashioned blocks?
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decimation: cazalla: nothing, she plays with them too. they aren't as portable though
cazalla: seems like a sure fire way to give your kid brain damage
decimation: eh, kids are gonna have to learn to deal with the electronics one day
decimation: I'm trying to teach her German, but it goes much better with a native speaker
cazalla: my plan is to avoid that stuff with my son for as long as possible
mircea_popescu: yeah, you want her to learn german, get her a german speaking dog/
decimation: there was a class locally, but it was canceled for lack of interest
decimation: actually, I would consider getting a german-speaking au pair
decimation: turns out you don't have to pay them social security or payroll tax
decimation: at any rate, that's all I have for the evening, good night
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mircea_popescu: "One ought not to pay any attention to Hitler's recent line of talk about being the friend of the poor man, the enemy of plutocracy, etc etc. Hitler's real self is in MEIN KAMPF, and in his actions. He has never persecuted the rich, except when they were Jews or when they tried actively to oppose him. He stands for a centralised economy which robs the capitalist of most of his power but leaves the structure of society
mircea_popescu: much as before. The State controls industry, but there are still rich and poor, masters and men."
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mircea_popescu: this "people standing on magic carpets of the future" meme is so incomprehensible to me.
mircea_popescu: do people really have such poor grasp of basic mechanics as to not understand that if you're not walking, there's really noi reason to be standing ?!
mircea_popescu: the banal observation that three hour's walk is pleasant, but quarter hour's standing unpleasant not exactly with them ?!
mircea_popescu: i've not wondered much, kinda discover the potentiality and the actuality in one package as it were.
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gribble: Current Blocks: 342199 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 520 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 1 hour, 50 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44686087306.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.26987
mircea_popescu: it does sound rather like something you get convicted to, doesn't it.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, i imagine you see my point. what truly subtle meta-Agranov would come up with something like that ?
mircea_popescu: lol@ filthy orwell, going full throtle into "the country is weakened by the war, now is the time to socialism!11"
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mircea_popescu: it's strange, this unseemly ability of felons, to hide the substance of their felony. first of all from themselves, and even should they be blessed with remarkable observation powers.
mircea_popescu: man can see what's wrong with socialism, but he can't see what's wrong with his own prose
mircea_popescu: i'd probably make a horrible judge, on the grounds that i'm generally inclined to let off everyone who kills purposefully.
mircea_popescu: but none of this "accidental" talk if it is at all possible.
mircea_popescu: i guess i'd do okay as a lord with his own court in some marsh cca 1300, but otherwise...
mircea_popescu: "The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose and for someone else to pay when things go wrong."
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mircea_popescu: i had this girl... she was a psych grad. weighed about 50 kgs if dressed, and had spent three years as the prison shrink.
mircea_popescu: the other half, murderers, arsonists, all sorts of truly pathological types.
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mircea_popescu: kinda what got my attention originally, i could read the girl's experienced, but it made little sense.
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assbot: Logged on 30-08-2014 21:53:25; mircea_popescu: this "'KGB: the Inside Story' by Christopher Andrew" string reminds me of the "stop sending niggers then" joke.
mircea_popescu: For example, they do not say of the policemen who they allege (often plausibly) have beaten them up, “Poor cops! They were brought up in authoritarian homes and now project the anger that is really directed at their bullying fathers onto me. They need counseling. They need their heads sorted out.” On the contrary, they say, with force and explosive emotion, “The bastards!” They assume that the police act out of
mircea_popescu: this is pretty good, and an excellent display of why the reconstructive approach is so powerful in talk psychotherapy, and discourse generally.
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 06:31:43; asciilifeform: exercise for student: when you wake up, think of six entirely factually-correct - but disastrously intellectually-crippling - models for some commonplace thing or other.
mircea_popescu: "can't figure it out when a mater of abstract objects ? that's fine, do it over but with cunts and fucking this time. see if the carefully evolved mamallian brain isn't more a help than a hindrance in matters it's actually evolved to handle!"
mircea_popescu: "What, then, did I find to praise in Galbraith? In the first place, his personal example, which is encouraging for someone like me who has entered the later stages of his life. Galbraith wrote The Economics of Innocent Fraud when he was 96. That was the last of the approximately 50 books that he wrote, and he wrote them clearly, never giving the impression of wanting to be thought clever because of the difficulty of wh
mircea_popescu: this is impressive. imagine, men before public smoking was banned, living to be 96! and able to articulate themselves!
phillipsjk: Not sure how you derived the exponential function for calculating the year 2020
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk if every 170k blocks it increases 35 times, and there's 365 days to the year and 24 hours to the day and 6 blocks in a hour
mircea_popescu: it then follows that the size at any arbitrary point in time is...
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mircea_popescu: bucharest is and always was such a hellhole the likes of which no one has ever seen.
phillipsjk: since the 1.25 factor represents the fist period: 3.23 years, the first number in the exponent must represent something like (n -3) years.. But 2009+6+3=2018.
mircea_popescu: this was my own experience, both under the communists and after, and it was recorded in 1800 by travellers
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk the deleted 2020 is more of a playful rethorical device
mircea_popescu: this is mostly important because considering on one hand the uninformed low level arithmeticizing of reality prevalent in the esl world, and on the other the utter insanities passed for "graphs" on the forum, but also generally in the world - say that abject "cross model", people really need a little example of PROPER use of numbers.
phillipsjk: So you are implicitly expecting the block-size will be much larger than 20MB sooner than we expect as well.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk i am not seriously lowering the discourse to gavin's insanities. a matter of principle is being discussed there, not the irrelevant gargle of whatever derp.
phillipsjk: good point. Gavin's proposal is just that: a proposal.
mircea_popescu: moreover, gavin is about as unfrequentable intellectually as quisling
phillipsjk: I think that is the most subtle "Godwin" I have even seen. (had to look it up)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, i think one could scarcely have better political education than a tour of the warsaw pact in the late 80s.
mircea_popescu: especially if one packed lots and lots and lots of jeans.
mircea_popescu: as i point out in some romanian article, denim bras had i managed to import would have been gladly worn by those women half the current .ro calls mom.
phillipsjk: I mentioned in PM that I assume the year 2010 refers to "mybitcoin" (found mention of it in a forum post Aug 17, 2010)
phillipsjk: "Consider the alternative of mybitcoin.com. It is a client portable to any web browser. You could keep the account/password in your head instead of on a stick. If you want to transact with another mybitcoin account the transaction is immediate too."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remember the burt wagner, pedophile / gay prostitute / showman with the camera in demo mode ?
mircea_popescu: he massively pumped, and then claimed to have been victimized, by tha thing
phillipsjk: "From the desk of Tom Williams, operator of MyBitcoin.com"
mircea_popescu: the last episode of that thing figures prominently some hot shot kid that made a totally innovative super-great exchange
mircea_popescu: that then "was hacked", but it's ok, because everyone's balance was just going to be frozen and "repaid over time"
mircea_popescu: i wish i could remember the idiot's name, he was a reddit star for a season or two.
mircea_popescu: da fuck was his name, the hipster with the dumbass hat.
phillipsjk: "Tom Williams" paid people half their Bitcoin and disappeared. Mybitocin.com had a private registration is some tropical island country.
phillipsjk: 6:35: "..For example..Mt.Gox.. I have a bad feeling about them"
phillipsjk: Is html allowed in comments on your blog?
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phillipsjk: I see a newbie got a "page topper" in Deathandtaxes's thread. (I was totally going to post a link) :)
phillipsjk: ;;later tell mircea_popescu I enjoyed your latest blog post.
BingoBoingo: While also bending his "code art" into ways nothing on the web should be bent
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phillipsjk: mircea_popescu: well, you may not believe this or like this, but... my banking depends on my gpg signature o.O < I wish the banks around here knew what GPG/PGP was. The card-holder agreements universally say: "You acknowledge that e-mail is not secure..."
cazalla: phillipsjk, how about.. you must pick a password between 4-8 characters, may not contain symbols or capitalisation
phillipsjk: that reminds me, I should complain about that. Symbols were required, but did not include ,|^= and at least one number was required.
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punkman: "There’s an increasing number of farmers placing greater value on acquiring older simpler machines that don’t require a computer to fix."
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kakobrekla: >Stripe and Facebook are going to sponsor @gnupg development with $50k/year each.
punkman: he was living on $20k, $100k sounds fine
punkman: geniuses are $60k a year, can't give him billion bezzlars
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mod6: fluffypony: ahh, yet another "genius" thinks he's going to replace bitcoin. *snore*
fluffypony: "Mr. McCaleb also happened to be one of the world’s foremost cryptographers, arguably in a class with Alan Turing, the father of artificial intelligence and modern computing."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54922 @ 0.00039949 = 21.9408 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell phillipsjk: Is html allowed in comments on your blog? << some limited html. blockquote, a and i dun recall what else.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk: [...] < I wish the banks around here knew what GPG/PGP was. << it's because i don't use actual banks, but the well developed argentine underground system.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: >Stripe and Facebook are going to sponsor @gnupg development with $50k/year each. << the only important point in the ruckus being, now we know gpg 1.x is perfectly fine and 2.x not entirely broken, and that there's absolutely no need to expect usable 3.x
mircea_popescu: at least we know where we're standing : what we got scares them. we'll fork it later on an' be quite happy.
mircea_popescu: someone who was stupid enough to ignore the warnings, for that matter. o, it's not his fault, "nobody could have foreseen".
mod6: 30 out of 40 people say gox & ripple guy is mega-genius and in same class with Turing!!11
mircea_popescu: " The most exciting battle in this long war is taking place in San Francisco, and the town isn’t big enough for both Ripple Labs and Stellar, two of the contenders hoping to replace not just Bitcoin but the almighty dollar."
mod6: this is what i need every morning. a good dose of solid lulz.
mircea_popescu: but even better, 1st comment : ""Vinnie Falco · Top Commenter · Software Engineer at Ripple Labs
mircea_popescu: Now this is some serious investigative journalism. I even learned a few things!
mircea_popescu: i mean, if you remember this schmuck, he's the "mr bigg" shill mpoe-pr unmasked on the forum.
mircea_popescu: he is now somehow a "software engineer" - heck, if randi could do it ?
mircea_popescu: and he is learning about his company from obscure $300 an article trade rags.
mircea_popescu: imagine that you know, if you had to run boeing with some engineers that went "oh, boeing makes planes actually ? gee i had no idea ty for clarifying"
mircea_popescu: fluffypony in case it wasn't somehow apparent, "someone" doth not mean you. it doth mean the still unidentified publicly person in charge of handling teh bitcoin problem.
mircea_popescu: in other news, "Warrior Forum8:03 am 54 KiBHow to reach the REALLY rich? - Warrior Forum"
mircea_popescu: gee whiz, i dunno. joining some retards forum, i'm sure o.O
mircea_popescu: ever since the flaming idiots of get a freelancer bought it, it's seriously improved
mircea_popescu: twisty's is a fine example : how to make atrociously bad porn out of ingredients found commonly in any porn studio.
mircea_popescu: it's as if there's a race of humans that is really, REALLY bad at anything they do.
mircea_popescu: because in any line there exists this company, which is extremely bad, almost as if it's self-parodic level bad.
mircea_popescu: truly atrocious sort of incomprehensible and unexplainable "you have to be there" sort of bad.
mircea_popescu: so this article discusses the famous ccc modem. at the time, germans being insane as today, it was illegal to own a modem, and you had to rent the state company ones, which were incredibly expensive.
mircea_popescu: expensive enough to get people to where they'd root for copies of teh hacker bible, and then build a modem out of repurposed materials by hand.
mircea_popescu: and now, the meat and potatoes : ". Modems waren damals in Deutschland noch verboten, mit Ausnahme der teuren Mietgeräte der Bundespost. Anfang 1987 betrug die monatliche Gebühr für ein BTX-MultiTel 1 48 DM (nach heutiger Kaufkraft 40 €) und für ein MultiTel 2 78 DM (nach heutiger Kaufkraft 66 €)"
mircea_popescu: ie, it cost 48 Deutsche Mark, which "at today's values" would be 40 euros.
mircea_popescu: well fuck me sally, if they truly cost 40 euros at today's values then what the fuck's the problem, that's what internet costs today. what is wrong with these people ?
mircea_popescu: obviously nothing's wrong with the people, but plenty's wrong wit hthe "present values" equation, seeing how in 1985 ie 30 years ago it made perfect sense to spend a week and cut out pipes and whatnot to save "the equivalent of 40 euros".
mircea_popescu: more like 400, but then you'd have to explain 1k% inflation in 30 years,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64300 @ 0.00040158 = 25.8216 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: that's right, i come from a country where you USED to have to be cool to be able to fuck most of the starlets on tv (prhaps with the show playing in the background, if so inclined). nowadays any schmuck with a coupla bitcoin can do it.
chetty: and you had to rent the state company ones// coming soon to us, internet public utility will make it so
mircea_popescu: it's really funny how the politics of this worked out : 1) buncha companies, unregulated market, bring the thing into existence.
mircea_popescu: 2) client companies of the state wish to be important. the market tells them to stuff it
mircea_popescu: 3) government steps in, sweeps the whole thing under itself, since 2 failed.
mircea_popescu: net result ? a frail, broken, centralized item to take place of the vibrant original and slowly decay. it's "just as good',
mircea_popescu: exactly in the manner 40 euros are "just as good" as 48 DM
mircea_popescu: either way, the only thing a functioning market can expect is attack, either by government agencies masquerading as companies, or else by government agencies actually admitting their government affiliation.
mircea_popescu: in either case, what can't be had in the socialist state is free market.
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mircea_popescu: "[Note: It is interesting to notice that Mr Kennedy, USA Ambassador in London, remarked on his return to New York in October 1940 that as a result of the war "democracy is finished". By "democracy", of course, he meant private capitalism. (Author's footnote.)]"
mircea_popescu: lmao. no, you dumb fucking schmuck. he didn't mean what unrelated term you wish he had meant. he meant what he said : the ridiculous notion that random people may speak on random questions.
mircea_popescu: "she said get lost and if i never see you again it'll be soon enough. by get lost, of course, she meant let's snuggle and by never she meant she loves me!11"
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gribble: Current Blocks: 342275 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 444 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 15 hours, 3 minutes, and 11 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44694430246.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.29009
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danielpbarron: i got 2nd pogo running; it's using my own compiled bitcoind (porta tronic non bastard) and it's successfully pulling blocks from my other pogo (running ascii's porta-tronic bastard)
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mod6: thanks for the updates danielpbarron
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trinque: an observation: the latency of the credit card networks is measured in days
punkman: i once saw a flashlight based on this principle. a real bitch to charge << I once took a design class where this was a case study of "innovation" and "green"
trinque: asciilifeform: the merchant gets their money in days in the US
trinque: asciilifeform: even that's more a temporary loan right?
trinque: but I guess if we're talking "effectively" sure
trinque: thought was this claim that bitcoin as-is is slow is complete bullshit
trinque: it's the fastest payment system I'm aware of when you consider the whole process
punkman: I gotta dig up that textbook, many lolz to be had
trinque: +asciilifeform | the folks who count (tm) get it immediately << dunno that this is so, isn't "settlement" a thing to allow for reversals, etc?
trinque: even seven figure processing accounts I've seen take days to hit a bank account, or at least the next day
trinque: punkman: lol wow the future of p2p payments
punkman: it's a "secure" messaging app
punkman: I left my bike unlocked for three days, noticed today
PeterL: My wife's bike was once stolen out of our garage ... whoever took it left their bike sitting in our yard. It was the weirdest thing.
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danielpbarron: when i turn off my 1st pogo and let the 2nd talk to the rest of the network, it doesn't hang up on every 500th block; i guess there is some config variable that limits how many blocks to send to one peer per session?
danielpbarron: at height=27000 the memory is at like 70% used, no swap
mod6: it's the portotronic version v0.5.3.2 right?
danielpbarron: so everything on the homepage of thebitcoin.foundation + porta-tronic
danielpbarron: might be errors if you run that though; i haven't tested it since i cleaned it up to look nice
mod6: ah, my mistake. ascii numbered the "Orphanage Burner" as v0.5.3.2
danielpbarron: the pogo with the longer chain is running the burner
trinque: BingoBoingo: they didn't sterilize the 4; doing it wrong
danielpbarron: how can a mom get arrested for kidnapping her own son? was the dad not in on it or something?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72866 @ 0.0004035 = 29.4014 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: looks like it's still stopping after 500 blocks even without the orphan burning
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51250 @ 0.00039324 = 20.1536 BTC [-] {3}
the_scourge: asciilifeform: i take it the reference is to the 'hopelessly out of order' meaning, not the traditional definition?
danielpbarron: it's supposed to dump the orphan blocks stored in memory to keep the pogoplug from crashing
danielpbarron: except it's a dirty hack, and the pogo crashes anyway
the_scourge: what's the cheapest device that has usb 3.0? one can get super cheap USB keys on amazon, that would solve the problem
danielpbarron: the_scourge, have you been told to read the log yet?
danielpbarron: watching SetBestChain: new best= scroll by is oddly soothing
gribble: Error: Problem retrieving latest block data.
danielpbarron: height=49141 and i'm getting lots of orphan spam, swap space is getting used now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66500 @ 0.00040434 = 26.8886 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: ah weird, it's still only going up in chunks of 500
danielpbarron: going back to connecting directly to my 1st pogo in that case
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80092 @ 0.00040445 = 32.3932 BTC [+] {3}
the_scourge: mircea_popescu: where did you get the idea for mpoe?
danielpbarron: ok and now it's getting more than 500 at a time connected directly to eachother.. wtf
the_scourge: danielpbarron: which block did it change behavior?
danielpbarron: hm, and now the 1st pogo (longer chain) is stuck while the 2nd pulls from it
danielpbarron: i'm ok with that if it's just until the 2nd catches up
danielpbarron: here is something strange: when i sent "getinfo" to the longer stuck node, it stapped out of it and started recieving new blocks again
danielpbarron: and simultaneously the shorter unstuck node, stopped getting new blocks
gribble: Current Blocks: 342317 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 402 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 8 hours, 45 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44872170693.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.72073
danielpbarron: i recall it taking just as long when i used bootstrap.dat
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.10374042 = 2.0748 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00040506 = 8.7088 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1151 @ 0.0009619 = 1.1071 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80100 @ 0.00040512 = 32.4501 BTC [+] {2}
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assbot: Logged on 15-10-2014 17:38:27; assbot: Logged on 30-08-2014 16:11:44; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: re: 'coinbase insurance' post - little story. recently i had occasion to rent a box at a bank (storage of various paperwork for firm.) the contract was a hilarious read. bank only insures a box for up to 25k usd. and specifically excludes damage from robbery, fire, water... virtually anything.
cazalla: asciilifeform, prob the real owner and it's a staff member being interviewed instead
mircea_popescu: i once saw a flashlight based on this principle. a real bitch to charge << I once took a design class where this was a case study of "innovation" and "green" << as it should be. if i recall correctly the russian name is "labour & light"
cazalla: mircea_popescu, it's old as in there was a photo of the psu dump out last year and it was filmed last year but new as in full clip released today
mircea_popescu: the all union vladimir obama pioneers will certainly enjoy the eco lantern.
mircea_popescu: trinque: asciilifeform: the merchant gets their money in days in the US << noob. it's date+60.
mircea_popescu: days, sure, in the sense bitcoin txn confirm "in seconds"
trinque: mircea_popescu: right, I was saying the "visa is so speed" argument is bullshit
mircea_popescu: but then again, bringing arguments to people who never had any sort of life experience is not unlike trying to give serpents haircuts.