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mircea_popescu: well fats actually are bad so
mircea_popescu: fluffypony the vc-derps are pretty much one track. they got one solution for all problems, which is proven to not work for any of them, and they';re sticking to it.
mircea_popescu: contact to ground was lost long enough, by the time graham's in outer space derping to himself about hyperbolics...
fluffypony: yeah
mircea_popescu: !up ghtdak
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: which and why?
thestringpuller: Paul Graham literally believes the best startups are ones that don't scale: "When I interviewed Mark Zuckerberg at Startup School, he said that while it was a lot of work creating course lists for each school, doing that made students feel the site was their natural home."
shinohai: pete_dushenski: Nope, worse. My parents became Evangelical Christians. "Jews for Jesus" if you will. ☟︎
deedbot-: [Qntra] British and North Carolina Teens Prosecuted as Child Pornographers in Separate Cases - http://qntra.net/2015/09/british-and-north-carolina-teens-prosecuted-as-child-pornographers-in-separate-cases/
pete_dushenski: shinohai: are 'jews for jesus' actually that bad ?
pete_dushenski: i admit i've only met two of them, a young couple at pre-natal class, perfectly pleasant really. he even wore a tallit around his waist
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: lol hot damn i was *just* about to start writing up that sexting one. well snagged ! i'll be faster net time.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I just got a lot of momentum going these past couple days
pete_dushenski: no kidding !
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that's complicated. but on the balance of it, too much fat makes you fat. which is problematic for the circulatory system
BingoBoingo: Not one big thing, but a bunch of little things that are better recorded than not.
pete_dushenski: "There are roughly 3 trillion trees on Earth — more than seven times the number previously estimated — according to a tally1 by an international team of scientists." << moar upward revisionism, except this kind is more butthurt for climate doomsdayists
mircea_popescu: a warming earth is not bad for vegetation.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: both are needed
mircea_popescu: kinda how that cycle works.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260853 << oh, horseshit. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 03:05:07; asciilifeform: trinque: if you are not among the annointed
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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'll bite. name anybody presently rolling in the vc megamillions while doing something of actual worth
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ben_vulpes: nobody is doing anything of 'actual worth' and 'much' is such a wishy-washy term that you can set the bar arbitrarily high.
ben_vulpes: as for names, well
asciilifeform: 'A North Carolina 17-year-old caught in a sexting scandal faces charges of sexually exploiting a minor that could land him in jail for up to 10 years, since the law considers him an adult. But one of the minors he supposedly exploited is himself­—which raises an obvious question: how can a teen be old enough to face adult felony charges, but not old enough to keep a nude picture of himself on his phone? Unfortunately, that
asciilifeform: ’s the Kafka-esque nightmare in which Fayetteville-area high schooler Cormega Copening finds himself after exchanging private nude photos with his girlfriend—with whom he is legally allowed to have sex, but not to sext.' << gold.
asciilifeform: obligatory: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#546880 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2014 02:05:11; asciilifeform: 'american does not believe the man in the uniform to be a bandit, with whom one can come to an understanding. he believes him to be a robot, who must be feared. american law enforcers are able to, by pressing on the keyboard of a multitude of laws and regulations, 'transmute' the most insignificant peccadillo into a monstrous deed. FBI did not need to beat up Monica or toss into her purse heroin or am
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asciilifeform: does anyone have a link to the actual indictment ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ^ ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not that I've found yet
mircea_popescu: i dunno how one could be 17yo, a us citizen, and NOT sms nude pics of themselves to every single usg official in sighh
mircea_popescu: then filing complaints with the lot.
mircea_popescu: it just... it doesn't fit in my head.
mircea_popescu: i wish we had had something like this when i was a kid.
BingoBoingo: State court indictments are a pain, typically involve going to actual courthouse or subscribing to expensive service like Westlaw and praying they sent someone to the courthouse already.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how would that work ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you know full well the result, '17yo charged with self-exploitation and besmirching the honourable name of a servant of the crown'
mircea_popescu: step A. get list of phone numbers of everyone. step 2. get all the 100+ sluts you know taking nude pics of themselves. step 3. having same send said pics with appropriate text to the 1.
mircea_popescu: step d. have 2 file complaints against 1.
mircea_popescu: 100 * say 10k = 1mn counts for the system to sort through
asciilifeform: there will be no sorting, and no trials.
mircea_popescu: i don't care what "the result" is.
BingoBoingo: Whatever Obama jacked off a fish on CNN, that's beastiality
mircea_popescu: wouldja stop presenting as fact things you have literally no idea about ?
mircea_popescu: when's the last time you spoke to a judge ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not recently.
mircea_popescu: so then why and wherefore!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but this scheme strikes me as far too obvious to be doable and not-yet-done.
mircea_popescu: not a very good heuristic.
asciilifeform: the other thing being that somebody has to indict.
mircea_popescu: up to 2001 airplane bomb would have striken you idem
asciilifeform: actually the airplane bomb was abundantly obvious since when, 1944 ?
mircea_popescu: and so ?
mircea_popescu: heck, the japanese even deployed them as a military weapon.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: hence 1944
asciilifeform: (iirc a few in '43 even)
mircea_popescu: so yes, we both see that this could readily be done, and we both see it's not done. i wonder in amazement, you posit a "because". i dun think your position's reasonable.
asciilifeform: so let's see if i grok this, somebody is to indict, e.g., warren buffet, or clitler, over spam sent by some anonymous schmuck ?
mircea_popescu: and on the balance of evidence, it's more likely the 17 yo in question have serious autism issues. because they similarly can't talk to girls and so forth.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why not ? there's a complaint, there'sd proof. what else.
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mircea_popescu: and besides, who cares abnout eiother of these two. you just taker the whole plum book and execute it all.
asciilifeform: wake me up when the pots of oil are boiling and the tickets are on sale
mircea_popescu: yes, it's probable they'd come up with some sort of "doesn't count", but should be fun to see nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: anyway, what i question is, the imbecile adolescent population that is not hard at work breaking the society they live in.
mircea_popescu: it's unconscionable.
asciilifeform: their 'don't count' works in the same way as in all times and places. kennedies can gf after gf, and no one indicts, corzine et al can steal $maxint, etc.
mircea_popescu: no fucking idea who'd even want to fuck them, that broken.
asciilifeform: *kennedies can drown
mircea_popescu: too much ex post facto in this. kennedy yes, nixon no, clinton yes, petreus no, etc.
asciilifeform: the ones who walked with cia - yes
mircea_popescu: how come the woman can lose state secrets via inept emailing, and is ok, the guy can't talk to some random socially-acceptable whore
asciilifeform: chewed at the straps - no.
mircea_popescu dun buy it.
mircea_popescu: i mean it's just as ex post facto as previously, you just hid it under a rug. srsly, "chewed at straps" ? you just call it that retrospectively.
asciilifeform: the annointed are forgiven pecadillos like murder or grand embezzlement
asciilifeform: show me a bonesman in jail.
mircea_popescu: we had this with rockefellers in camps, you are barred from using the line ever again.
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asciilifeform: all you found was a run-down 'wine-making branch of the family' rothchild
mircea_popescu: this is why you're barred :D
mircea_popescu: your argument was to the name, i delivered the name. it's unsalvageable.
mircea_popescu: incidentally - every time they let a woman near secrets it blew up. there's rice. there's nuland. there's clinton. that's almost all of them.
mircea_popescu: you'd think they'd learn women do not belong at state.
asciilifeform: this among other reasons is why there are no women near interesting secrets.
asciilifeform: on either side of the atlantic.
mircea_popescu: i wonder wtf it is, you'd expect they be better than men, generally speaking.
asciilifeform: theoretically, but you have to build'em a nunnery
thestringpuller: what about that chick who was in mossad...
mircea_popescu: just going by the "there's more wives with secret children than men at any given point"
asciilifeform: this is why i play in my head with the idea of an all-chick meta-nsa.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which'd work for the usg rather than for alt-mp because why.
asciilifeform: for no reason.
asciilifeform: just as an imaginary loch ness monster can listen to bbc vs voice of america for no entirely good reason.
mircea_popescu: haha. no such equality irl.
asciilifeform: anyway we're imagining a physical army vs underground cells, so it stands to reason that it would work for a geographic sovereign
asciilifeform: somewhere.
asciilifeform: see the 'fortress' discussion.
asciilifeform: and i will say that an entity without si fabbing capability is no meta-nsa regardless of what else.
asciilifeform: and si fab requires a fortress.
asciilifeform: fortress - nukes.
asciilifeform: nukes - captive industrial base to parasitise.
mircea_popescu: yeah that's totally how it worked for batman too
mircea_popescu: irl, "physical army" never works for thios purpose. what you get is, at best, private manning
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i assume you're referring to "The Dark Knight Returns".
mircea_popescu: btw, am i the only one that finds it funny that some dude whose name was MANning decided to be a woman ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller isn't batman this derp with a fortress ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i get that humint can be done entirely via 'hashishim' dissolved in planet at large, etc. but build me one single z80 this way.
mircea_popescu: meta-nsa builds z80s ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: ah I see. more of a cave. always thought superman was the one with teh "fortress"
asciilifeform: meta-nsa has to be sovereign over own tools of thought.
thestringpuller: irrelavant tho sorry
asciilifeform: or not worthy of the name.
mircea_popescu: but... this is a biological impossibility.
asciilifeform: how's that?
mircea_popescu: your brain is borrowed, not owned.
mircea_popescu: it, principally, concerns itself with other matters.
asciilifeform: brain is not the gold standard, aha. there is a reason why 'mentats' are creatures of imagination and we compute with machines whenever the least bit possible.
mircea_popescu: but the point is, as your brain's not "sovereign" in this sense, no computer ever will be, and there goes that line.
asciilifeform: what is meant by sovereign here is plainly obvious
mircea_popescu: not so.
asciilifeform: is this where we do the 2013 thread re: whether a fully-knowable computing machine is possible, all over again ?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-hour-of-reckoning/
assbot: The Hour Of Reckoning on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNFRFX )
asciilifeform: or that.
mircea_popescu: what " has to be sovereign over own tools of thought" ?
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asciilifeform: reasoning inductively, from 'any intelligence org that runs winblows on wintel is a joke'
mircea_popescu: by this reasoning, real spies could never be caught dead in drag.
mircea_popescu: because hey. joke.
asciilifeform: is mircea_popescu just testing how much sophistry i can take before i have to go and change gas mask canister ?
mircea_popescu: sophistry is necessarily positive. i'm merely denying.
asciilifeform: !b 2 ✂︎
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asciilifeform falls down
asciilifeform brb
mircea_popescu: there is a difference!
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asciilifeform: https://cryptome.org/2015/09/mccollum-001.pdf << lettre de cachet lulz
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1XncpM2 )
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/09/journalists-arrested-on-terrorism-charges-in-turkey-for-using-crypto-software
assbot: Journalists arrested on terrorism charges in Turkey for using crypto software | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1XncK1d )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: 'Three journalists working with Vice News have been charged with "engaging in terrorist activity" on behalf of ISIL (ISIS), because one of them used encryption software. A Turkish official told Al Jazeera: "The main issue seems to be that the [journalists'] fixer uses a complex encryption system on his personal computer that a lot of ISIL militants also utilise for strategic communications."'
asciilifeform: ^ no detail on ~what~, afaik.
asciilifeform: gonna guess it's 'jihadcrypt' or whatever that idiocy was called.
pete_dushenski: "For students seeking to make some extra bucks to pay for tuition, Pornhub may be able to help. The adult video website is offering a $25,000 scholarship to a legal age college student who likes making others happy. "
pete_dushenski: except... "We will not seriously consider anyone if they include explicit material in the video," Pornhub Vice President Corey Price said via email.
trinque: maybe also in part, they're trying to protect the ISIS/Turkey connection
trinque: general attempt to discourage on-the-ground journalism?
asciilifeform: http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/08/im-now-an-estonian-e-resident-but-i-still-dont-know-what-to-do-with-it << a related lul from same fishwrap. mandatory non-pgp signatures in whole muppet country, aha.
assbot: I’m now an Estonian e-resident, but I still don’t know what to do with it | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1XndlA5 )
pete_dushenski: http://www.pornhub.com/cares/scholarship <<
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xndm6Y )
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asciilifeform: '
asciilifeform: The difference: it is legally binding under .EE law. Not like the loose PGP.'
asciilifeform: inevitable 'embrace & extinguish', just as with bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: heh.
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asciilifeform: related, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-10-2014#883640 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-10-2014 18:20:02; asciilifeform: one reason why they push fingerprints and similar crap is the 'prima facie' concept
ag3nt_zer0: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262093 << they aren't in such bad company: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8sI5WekW78 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 00:13:31; shinohai: pete_dushenski: Nope, worse. My parents became Evangelical Christians. "Jews for Jesus" if you will.
assbot: Gotta Serve Somebody - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1XnfMmc )
pete_dushenski: 'video not available'
ag3nt_zer0: ooops
ag3nt_zer0: sec
phf: seems like they pulled a lot of dylan tracks
ag3nt_zer0: pete_dushenski hmmm working on my end...
pete_dushenski: prolly an html5 thing then. i dun use flash.
pete_dushenski: or ip or something
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: kinda what I meant about "command structure" in teh logs
trinque: pete_dushenski: I'm yielding to your point here, I think.
trinque: re: desert gods
pete_dushenski: trinque: aha that old gem !
trinque: that they have the thought of serving someone or something is some kind of first step
trinque: pete_dushenski: it continues to yield fruit, this tree
pete_dushenski: for log readers : http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/15/good-morning-isis/
assbot: Good Morning ISIS. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1UvZh38 )
pete_dushenski: trinque: was something in particular inspiring this reflection ?
phf: came up when i started trash talking american christians
trinque: pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261756 << begins more or less here ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 19:47:36; trinque: these gun-toting christians hate socialism, so I like them just fine
trinque: relatedly I am ending my current tour in the pac NW for a time, headed back to TX
trinque: and it's causing me to reflect on what I left behind in TX
BingoBoingo: http://www.theonion.com/article/dennys-market-researcher-emerges-focus-group-shake-51241
assbot: Denny’s Market Researcher Emerges From Focus Group Shaken After Finding Out What Americans Really Want For Breakfast - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1UvZALf )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That one's going to take a bit.
pete_dushenski: trinque: 'there's no place like home' (tm)
trinque: and does one ever leave
pete_dushenski: watch, mircea_popescu will try chengdu for a year then move back to romania.
trinque: hehe
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: got me on dylan now, good job
trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIXIBE9INTg
assbot: Slow Train - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1UvZXpc )
asciilifeform: unrelatedly,
asciilifeform: is anyone here able to locate M. Greenberger, 'Method in randomness,' Comm. ACM 8 (1965) ? ☟︎
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: oh man... slow train... I bow
ag3nt_zer0: incredible stuff
ag3nt_zer0: I have been making it a point to go see dylan every time he comes by the gay area for the last 6-7 years... probably seen him 5-6 times in that stretch
ag3nt_zer0: one time I saw him during his monio league baseball park tour with willie nelson and john mellancamp
trinque: sounds like a great show
ag3nt_zer0: and I just thought that the fact that he had shed his fanbase skin so many times resulted in a nice blend of people - christians, hippies, old school folkies, some rockers haha whatever
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] What it’s like to be poor. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/03/what-its-like-to-be-poor/
ag3nt_zer0: left behnd the detritus and have people there who just are happy he shares his trip with them - honestly
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: there's plenty of poor v. rich dialogue in this latest contravex for ya ☟︎
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: yeah it was... mellancamp brought it that night... it was his 14 year old sons bday or something and he brought him out to play bass or something it was a good time
ag3nt_zer0: not a huge mellancamp fan but he works hard up there and he does have some great tunes
phf: trinque: i agree with you though, i'm judging by central pa, northern maryland, which is not necessarily the cities, but still within the sprawl.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262290 << yours for $15 (pdf though) https://dl.acm.org/purchase.cfm?id=363827&CFID=542942868&CFTOKEN=64707750 ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 02:47:49; asciilifeform: is anyone here able to locate M. Greenberger, 'Method in randomness,' Comm. ACM 8 (1965) ?
assbot: Purchase: Method in randomness ... ( http://bit.ly/1XnkG2w )
trinque: phf: could amount to nothing, but that part's not much up to them
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funkenstein_: Re: Method in Randomness <-- well I'd never heard of "deepdyve", where do they find gnomes to work on this kind of bullshit? They gave me 5 minutes to "view" the article (in crippled form) in exchange for a fake email.
phf: “Whoa! It's like Spotify but for academic articles.”
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ag3nt_zer0: trinque: austin?
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: lived there for a time, yep. grew up in the Houston burbs
phf: i don't know understand why everything needs to be made so idiotic. i mean, what is this, making your 50 years of scientific research hip? you know, for the kids.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262303 << if i wanted to send money to copyrasts i know where to do it ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 02:57:05; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262290 << yours for $15 (pdf though) https://dl.acm.org/purchase.cfm?id=363827&CFID=542942868&CFTOKEN=64707750
asciilifeform: but i'd rather put it in a pyre, and light it
asciilifeform: and put on 'youtube.'
ag3nt_zer0: any thoughts on this? https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015/09/03/renee-graham-kim-davis-follows-footsteps-george-wallace/4Hqsf6bhQoXMwhjLu0cMLO/story.html
assbot: Renée Graham: Kim Davis follows the footsteps of George Wallace - The Boston Globe ... ( http://bit.ly/1EECkc6 )
ag3nt_zer0: shitstorm?
mircea_popescu: <phf> i don't know understand why everything needs to be made so idiotic. << heh.
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funkenstein_: look it's like a paper shredder
asciilifeform: snorestorm.
funkenstein_: https://docs.deepdyve.com/doc_repo_server/get-image/WwqJ0002Ec/1/4?t=1441340311&p=1&a=full&key=lJJiF9OvIRGdMQa0TNRglEOR8BY.&u=1060463&tp=3&pr=1
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EECmAJ )
ag3nt_zer0: haha
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262299 << all i see is old logz ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 02:54:44; pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: there's plenty of poor v. rich dialogue in this latest contravex for ya
asciilifeform: and i laugh out loud re: pete_dushenski thinking that my stash of junk is 'capital goods'. all of it put together wouldn't buy an old car.
asciilifeform: it is 'capital goods' strictly in the sense that a beggar's shoes are.
mircea_popescu: can i buy it for the price of an old car ? :D
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform: after i'm dead it will be sold per pound, prolly for much less than old car.
asciilifeform: if anyone even bothers.
phf: in other words over ascii's dead body
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/03/what-its-like-to-be-poor/#comment-28738
assbot: What it’s like to be poor. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1EECHDN )
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1262070 <-- ??? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 23:18:36; fluffypony: cazalla: it's not even me, Africans don't want Bitcoin because they're quite happy dealing in cash and not paying tax
trinque: did seem like it doesn't follow..
wilbns: also, in kenya, for example bitcoin doesn't provide much utility beyond what m-pesa already does. the current area companies like bitpesa are trying to get traction are in remittances (where one party doesn't have m-pesa because they're outside the country), or by pitching it as a speculative financial instrument or novelty.
asciilifeform: kenyans need bitcoin like they need gunn diodes.
funkenstein_: wilbns, uh.. just curious what do you think the point of public coin is?
trinque: asciilifeform: yeah, isn't that it doesn't provide utility, but not to *them*
mats: jesus the hp 16c goes for 200+ ☟︎
asciilifeform: i got mine for around 200.
wilbns: funkenstein_: hey, sorry, i don't understand your question.
asciilifeform: mats: https://archive.org/details/hp-16c_handbook << manual.
assbot: HP-16C Computer Scientist Owner's Handbook : Hewlett-Packard : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1EEDcO2 )
funkenstein_: i mean, if m-pesa already does everything we need, what's the point of using bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: not we. them.
asciilifeform: mats: read it before you buy, know what you're getting into.
funkenstein_ expects maths to work rather similarly on any continent
mats: at 200 apiece i think I'll pass for nao
asciilifeform: mats: frustrating, ikr? there's maybe $2 worth of material in there.
asciilifeform: thing could be produced today for toy store price
asciilifeform: but it cannot be had.
asciilifeform: at some point, they won't exist at ~any~ price.
asciilifeform: each one that someone spills coffee on, is one less.
mats: if only there was another cs calculator on the market
asciilifeform: mats: afaik there never was, before or since.
mats: pencil it in for s.nsa project #88
asciilifeform: there were (and are) abominations where ops like the ones on 16c ~could be~ accessed ten menu keystrokes in
mats: for good luck
asciilifeform: mats: don't expect that it would cost any less than those vintage 16c if i were to make it.
mats: kickstarter it is
asciilifeform: the place where they separate idiots from their money ?
asciilifeform: iirc there was even a calculator-themed one, at some point.
asciilifeform: http://www.swissmicros.com << found a vendor claiming to sell a clone
assbot: SwissMicros.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JS4nRb )
asciilifeform: mats et al ^
mats: I dun see any good android imitations of this concept
asciilifeform: they made them microscoping, for some reason
asciilifeform: *microscopic
asciilifeform: mats: these appear to be actual calculators, not emulated
mats: guess I'll pencil it in at the bottom of my programming projects
asciilifeform: or wai wat
asciilifeform: were they ?!!
asciilifeform: l0k i'm a chump.
asciilifeform: fake.
asciilifeform: retardedly fake
asciilifeform: they are stickers for pNohe.
phf: i'm actually confused by that site
asciilifeform: or are they?!
asciilifeform also confused
phf: nah, at $200 price <body style="margin: 0px"><img style="-webkit-user-select:none; display:block; margin:auto;" src="http://www.swissmicros.com/photos_nov2012/DM-41_pouch+back_large.png"></body>
asciilifeform: ok it appears that they are physical calcs
phf: copy paste fail
asciilifeform: but with removable stick-on keypads to imitate various hp machines.
asciilifeform: http://www.retrothing.com/2014/11/dm-swiss-made-calculators.html << review.
assbot: Retro Thing: Boutique Swiss Made Calculators ... ( http://bit.ly/1JS4Liv )
mats: >t its heart, this calculator is an emulator of the HP-15C (running on an ARM processor, although a different family from what HP is using in the ARM-based current-production 12C and the 15C Limited Edition), and therefore has largely the same feature set and user interface as a real 15C.
asciilifeform: but i fucking hate chiclet keyboards.
mats: a different review
asciilifeform: hilarious, how 'swiss' now means laughable knockoff crud
wilbns: funkenstein_: maybe m-pesa could utilize the tech for more efficient settlement of transactions. if someone just wants to send money to grandma or someone else in the next town, though, it's a bit of a hassle to suggest bitcoin. unless one party already has it, then they can sent it to bitpesa and they'll deliver it to the m-pesa number. if neither party has
wilbns: it, you're talking about a minimum of 2-3 days to acquire the BTC, pass KYC/AML, etc. probably could have spent 20-30 minutes to just go to an m-pesa teller. ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'has largely the same feature set and user interface as a real 15C' << ahahahahahaha no.
asciilifeform: i suppose word 'same' now means 'we say it is the same, and you, cattle, will eat it up because fuck you'
funkenstein_: wilbns, the point is - m-pesa guys can issue as many as they want. it's private and counterfeitable
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73840 @ 0.00072079 = 53.2231 BTC [+] {3}
wilbns: funkenstein_: yes, but most people on the street don't care as long as their money is worth the same today as it is yesterday and they can still go buy a relative equivalent of whatever with it tomorrow.
wilbns: as it was yesterday*
funkenstein_: wilbns, if so, this applies as well in switzerland
trinque: the point here isn't to package bitcoin into some easily inserted suppository for everyone
trinque: to the extent that they comprehend what it does, great, use it
funkenstein_: aye
asciilifeform: mats: http://kd7dvd.us/other/edc/mamabear-16c.jpg << right hand side: the real thing. left hand side: the piece of shit
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JS5z6Z )
asciilifeform: mats: this may not be obvious from the picture, but the buttons on the actual 16c are legit separate pieces of plastic, with clickers
asciilifeform: on the clone, they are printed on.
asciilifeform: it is not hard to see why this is so.
asciilifeform: it was made, almost certainly, by 'some guy' and injection molding co$$$$$$ts.
mats: lol 18th ID challenge coin for scale
asciilifeform: and 'nobody can tell the difference, right ??!!'
phf: "guys, guys, there's this guy in dc who's going to be real upset"
asciilifeform: l0l
trinque: !b 4 ✂︎
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3F9XZW0.txt )
trinque: ^ kakobrekla will fix :p
asciilifeform: actually the comments on one of the earlier links were 'it works but i wish it had keyboard'
mats: s/regiment/ID
mats: I think I'll get one, never considered how useful it would be until now
asciilifeform: mats: the legend i was told re: 'challenge coins' is that they were issued in lieu of the 'last bullet' that americans used to slam on barroom stools in vietnam
asciilifeform: one-upsmanshiping one another by carrying larger and larger rounds, up to antiaircraft cannon shells,
asciilifeform: which would sometimes go off from being slammed and take off a whole hand..
mats: I have heard this, didn't believe it
asciilifeform: not so believable, but beautiful story.
asciilifeform: hard to imagine a more precious possession than 'the last bullet'
mats: I've thrown away every coin I ever got.
mats: only memorabilia I have left are my sapper skill books, MREs, a single uniform set, and a buncha kia bracelets
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63300 @ 0.00070778 = 44.8025 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mats: kia bracelet is something like a set of 'dog tags' ?
mats: http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/9/3/hungary-prime-minister-says-muslims-not-welcome-amid-refugee-crisis.html
assbot: Hungary Prime Minister Says Muslims Not Welcome | Al Jazeera America ... ( http://bit.ly/1JS70T0 )
mats: asciilifeform: memorial bracelet, yes
asciilifeform: memorial?
asciilifeform: i thought it was to have your own name on it.
asciilifeform: to be picked up by burial detail
mats: they're different items
mats: but yes that is what tags are for
asciilifeform: everyone knows what tags are for. but bracelet is something else ?
asciilifeform: made with dead friend's name ?
mats: some RC dudes would slip one into a boot and wear the other around their necks
mats: yes
asciilifeform: ah.
phf: "Adjusting your approach trajectory in the event of catastrophic landing processor failure. p. 23 HP-16c manual"
mats: one in the boot in case ied rendered corpse visually unidentifiable l0l
trinque: cheaper than body armor?
trinque: I guess that doesn't help much with a good IED
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mats: not in the slightest
mats: good ied doesn't kill, anyway, just maims a few dudes
wilbns: mats, you're military?
mats: more expensive to enemy, and now you need four dudes to drag one asshole and all his gear at 2km/hr while in contact ☟︎
mats: formerly
wilbns: was in new york a while back and at the airport, there were maybe a couple dozen guys, they all look like they just graduated high school. all w/ manila folders in hand, waiting, heading off to boot camp - all making small talk w/ one another. looked like they didn't know each other very well. was imaging how there lives were going to change and wondering if
wilbns: it would be overall positive or negative
mats: spoiler: peacetime mil blows
wilbns: their*
trinque: mats: the concussion is pretty bad too right?
trinque: want to say I watched a docu about that
trinque: lemme rephrase "pretty bad", the concussion is a big part of the internal damage
mats: yes, overpressure fucks you up
pete_dushenski: back from watching 'dumb and dumber'
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/03/what-its-like-to-be-poor/#comment-28743
assbot: What it’s like to be poor. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1hFRR0y )
pete_dushenski: and with that, time for sleep
pete_dushenski: ad libitum :P
mats: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2015/09/03/nearly-1-million-veterans-have-pending-applications-for-health-care-at-the-va-and-a-third-may-already-be-dead/
assbot: Nearly 1 million veterans have pending applications for health care at VA — and a third may already be dead - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1hFStDt )
thestringpuller: cazalla BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/0PJHP1N.txt
mats: https://www.reddit.com/r/CredibleDefense/comments/3hgwtz/xpost_rsyriancivilwar_atgms_in_syria_five_months notbad
assbot: [X-post /r/syriancivilwar] ATGMs in Syria: Five Months of Missile Strikes Saps Syrian Military Strength : CredibleDefense ... ( http://bit.ly/1hFToDG )
deedbot-: [Qntra] XT Node Blacklists Fail to Prevent DDoS Attack - http://qntra.net/2015/09/xt-node-blacklists-fail-to-prevent-ddos-attack/
BingoBoingo: ^ thestringpuller
phf: asciilifeform: you know if midnight commander has something like su or sudo vfs? ☟︎☟︎
cazalla: soz thestringpuller, looks to be that BingoBoingo got to it first
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147950 @ 0.00072502 = 107.2667 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00072155 = 20.3477 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00072155 = 14.3588 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75242 @ 0.00072896 = 54.8484 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34800 @ 0.00072966 = 25.3922 BTC [+] {2}
deedbot-: [Qntra] Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Continues Growth Streak - http://qntra.net/2015/09/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-continues-growth-streak/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40500 @ 0.00072604 = 29.4046 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37102 @ 0.00072481 = 26.8919 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "While I agree that not everyone is bad, I'll suggest that the number of bad people involved in bitcoin so far exceeds the number of bad people in other organizations that the whole system isn't working. I'm starting to consider whether people were wrong about the "decentralization" issue. Is it possible that decentralization was tried, and it is being proven right now that it simply doesn't work because the system bec
mircea_popescu: omes centralized with evil people?"
mircea_popescu: this is so fucking cute.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262399 << "passing aml/kyc" for dealing with money is like passing the astrology test to go to the hospital. yes some unfortunate souls stuck in retarded, abusive communities do that. ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 04:10:21; wilbns: it, you're talking about a minimum of 2-3 days to acquire the BTC, pass KYC/AML, etc. probably could have spent 20-30 minutes to just go to an m-pesa teller.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48900 @ 0.0007295 = 35.6726 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262457 << he gets it. i guess from experience. http://trilema.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/ ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 04:47:52; mats: more expensive to enemy, and now you need four dudes to drag one asshole and all his gear at 2km/hr while in contact
assbot: Strategy for the antisocial struggle. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JAwmEP )
mircea_popescu: the way modern warfare works, you don't want planes and regular soldiers. you want missiles and partisans. and you don't aim to kill the enemy, you aim to maim as many as possible and encourage them to keep coming. the situation where US population is up 200mn and US war invalid population is up 50mn is a greater win for isis than the situation where the us population is 0.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.00072267 = 19.1508 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262479 << not afair. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 05:48:38; phf: asciilifeform: you know if midnight commander has something like su or sudo vfs?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3259 @ 0.0007177 = 2.339 BTC [-]
jurov: http://themindunleashed.org/2015/09/cocaine-production-plummets-after-dea-kicked-out-of-bolivia.html
assbot: Cocaine Production Plummets After DEA Kicked Out of Bolivia | The Mind Unleashed ... ( http://bit.ly/1LZywoe ) ☟︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67023 @ 0.00072501 = 48.5923 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: to everyone's surprise, usg is the main driver of all things the usg "fights against".
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00072741 = 2.5823 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94600 @ 0.00072201 = 68.3021 BTC [-] {2}
deedbot-: [Trilema] MPEx (S.MPOE) August 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2015/mpex-smpoe-august-2015-statement/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 46025 @ 0.00002248 = 1.0346 BTC [-] {2}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54059 @ 0.00071975 = 38.909 BTC [+]
asciilifeform writes broadcast
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262479 << why would you want to ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 05:48:38; phf: asciilifeform: you know if midnight commander has something like su or sudo vfs?
shinohai: I thought mc switched you to a terminal and asked for pass when you input sudo commands.
asciilifeform: mc runs ~in~ a terminal
asciilifeform: where you could have su'd prior
asciilifeform: ergo i see absolutely no reason for it to have a built-in su
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al: http://qntra.net/2015/09/xt-node-blacklists-fail-to-prevent-ddos-attack/#comment-51035
assbot: XT Node Blacklists Fail to Prevent DDoS Attack | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1JH0sKb )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97618 @ 0.00071575 = 69.8701 BTC [-] {5}
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu you've got mail
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform had an interesting dream as he slept. dreamt that he had occasion, for some reason, to call the cops. they came, and instead of registering whatever complaint (something involving cars) began to fill up his house, room by room, until seemingly no more could fit, but continued to pack, pack, until walls began to crack under the sheer pressure of meat
asciilifeform had a tremendous house in this dream, with many spiral staircases, etc
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262509 << ahahahahaha. they aren't 'kicked out' until 1) they haven't the option of returning, while 2) pharma-grade cocaine is sold for five cents on every street corner in santa cruz, and for export by the million tonnes ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 11:00:14; assbot: Cocaine Production Plummets After DEA Kicked Out of Bolivia | The Mind Unleashed ... ( http://bit.ly/1LZywoe )
asciilifeform: usg is a planetary infestation, 'kicked out' is really a feeble and temporary thing.
asciilifeform: usg 'expellas furca, tamen usque recurret' (tm) ☟︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24828 @ 0.00072412 = 17.9785 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78400 @ 0.00072495 = 56.8361 BTC [+] {3}
phf: su/sudo vfs would be handy for copying files between users without having to adjust permissions or escalate to superuser. one pane is user foo, other pane is user bar. doesn't matter if foo's pane is in 700 folder, and if you were to copy, file will be created as belonging to user bar, with his umask applied
funkenstein_: ;;google that's what happens when you call the cops
gribble: Call the Cops - Rob Hustle ft. Bump - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlY9C6pzxKc>; Anarchast Ep. 148 Rob Hustle: This is What Happens When You ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldNWOpxTADg>; This is what happens when you call the cops! - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOL8p61xuwM>
funkenstein_: nice article thanks jurov. "I'll take Regulatory Capture for 400 millies, Alex"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol i wouldn't be too worried about it.
mircea_popescu: there's no university free hitman service
mircea_popescu: hearn being around makes me not even miss armandi or taaki all that much.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin gotta have a total lolcow at all times lest it collapses into itself.
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://bost.ocks.org/mike/hive << interesting (requires graphical www browser)
assbot: Hive Plots ... ( http://bit.ly/1FnJMmW )
ascii_field: (source: https://github.com/mbostock/d3/wiki/Gallery )
assbot: Gallery · mbostock/d3 Wiki · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FnJQmB )
ascii_field: http://www.brightpointinc.com/interactive/political_influence/index.html?source=d3js << 'wot'
assbot: Political Influence Data Visualization D3.js ... ( http://bit.ly/1FnJX1z )
ascii_field: http://www.koalastothemax.com << toy.
assbot: Koalas to the Max dot Com ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7MQK8 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36600 @ 0.00072532 = 26.5467 BTC [+] {3}
ascii_field: http://www.findtheconversation.com/concept-map << yet another 'wot'
assbot: Concept map ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7N3gp )
ascii_field: lastly, http://www.whodotheyserve.com << lizardz!
assbot: WhoDoTheyServe.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7Nes9 )
BingoBoingo: ascii_field mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/09/xt-node-blacklists-fail-to-prevent-ddos-attack/#comment-51115
assbot: XT Node Blacklists Fail to Prevent DDoS Attack | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7O0oW )
ben_vulpes: why do we never discuss java?
BingoBoingo: Because Hearn discusses Java
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: discuss, discuss
jurov: some ppl are allergic to it
ben_vulpes: so java has an asym library, does that shell out to gpg as well?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: i don't know and don't care
ascii_field: i will not keep java on my systems.
ascii_field: and nobody can make me.
ben_vulpes: great, but why?
ben_vulpes: and who's making you keep python and perl on your systems?
ascii_field: because the entire ecosystem of it is a kind of zoo for idiots and their idiocies
ascii_field: make cobol look good
ascii_field: much less perl
funkenstein_: ben_vulpes, which java, which library?
trinque: I personally know I'll never have a clear picture of what the VM and the machine underneath are doing *while* writing a program
trinque: thing's huge
ben_vulpes: "fits in head" is a realistic goal with python, perl and cpp?
funkenstein_: see "bedrock"
trinque: ben_vulpes: nah but they're smaller
ben_vulpes: (or ruby...)
trinque: cpp maybe not so much smaller
BingoBoingo: C can fit in head
trinque: ben_vulpes: and yes this whole thing runs into pragmatism vs pure science, no?
funkenstein_: http://50noticias.com/2015/08/ahh-yaaa-roban-banco-en-la-castellana-y-se-llevan-solo-impresoras/ <-- nice story on a couple of levels
assbot: ¡AHH YAAA! Roban banco en La Castellana y se llevan solo impresoras - 50noticias.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7PeRc )
trinque: ben_vulpes: python's probably riddled with holes everywhere somebody wrote a shoddy python c module
funkenstein_: I always considered java to be like "C++ for dummies"
trinque: I'd expect Java is also fucked along that border, among other places
ascii_field: i will neither write nor read java. not even for money.
ascii_field: (strictly for weaponized exploitation - might)
trinque: the "native method interface" thing
ben_vulpes wonders what it must be like to feel so strongly about programming languages
ascii_field: actually it is less about languages and more about the people who used them.
ben_vulpes: "i'll cut stainless, but you keep that piece of shit al off my machines" ☟︎
funkenstein_: the language is the lexicon
ascii_field: the language, in this case, is not just a language but an ecosystem with unavoidable exposure to the work of many previous users
trinque: yeah I do get really scared when say leiningen pulls down five hundred java modules of questionable origin, when I've worked in Clojure in the past
trinque: dependency hell like when you install gnome, and get dildoctl shoved up your ass
trinque: there are probably many packages you could all but guarantee are in the vast majority of java projects
ascii_field: the real question is why should i even consider the matter. because i can't really see why i should not also consider flossing my teeth with barbed wire, if considering java.
ascii_field: they seem like equally meritorious ideas.
ben_vulpes: > dildoctl
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262596 >> more like 'keep that caked dog shit with plutonium shavings off my machines' ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 17:36:10; ben_vulpes: "i'll cut stainless, but you keep that piece of shit al off my machines"
ben_vulpes: how is python not barbed wire?
ascii_field: python is just plain piano wire
ben_vulpes: enough with the floppy metaphors!
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: let's get to the matter, if you would like to rewrite 'v' in sed and awk, go ahead. i was not equal to the task.
ascii_field: they are cleaner, more well-defined items than python, yes.
ben_vulpes: the 'dsl' so produced by their use is not in any sense legible, however.
ascii_field: aha.
trinque: bash olympics, which somehow reminds me of the BME olympics
ben_vulpes: two 'clean', 'well-defined' items whose use produces code that is illegible.
ascii_field: when i did it, at any rate.
trinque: python's fine; guy needs some tests is all
ascii_field: perhaps ben_vulpes can make it legible.
trinque: and then you could use the tests to rewrite later
trinque: ben_vulpes: I recommended testing!
ascii_field: trinque: no, ben_vulpes has a point, python sux
ascii_field: trinque: but i was unable to find a suitable replacement for this item.
trinque: I am painfully aware of teh suck of python
trinque: two options I see are ball o' bash or CL
ascii_field: perl was the only serious candidate, and if ben_vulpes would like to attempt a cleaner version (!) in it, i'm all ears.
funkenstein_ admits java was mother tongue, still finds himself translating in head from other languages
ascii_field: as for cl, a unix tool with multi-second startup times is not usable here.
trinque: yeah true
trinque: was thinking re: the DSL comment
trinque: I think python is a fair choice given the circumstances
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-04-2015#1110883 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-04-2015 22:06:38; asciilifeform: to paraphrase mircea_popescu article, if christ saves in java - let me go straight to hell.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: any changes i'd make would produce higher linecounts.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: this is fine if you're adding a useful knob
ascii_field: e.g., file histories
ben_vulpes is not convinced that brevity is the be all and end all.
ascii_field: (display changes to particular file)
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: there are two kinds of brevity
ascii_field: one is perl-brevity, a false god
ascii_field: where one measures nonwhitespace characters strictly
ascii_field: the other kind is conceptual mass
ascii_field: which ~is~ the one true objective.
ascii_field: after correctness.
trinque: nothing particularly pisses me off about v.py
trinque: looks like it's formatted like a guy who likes CL might
ascii_field: speaking of, one useful knob would be sexpr output.
trinque: I don't use classes in python if I can avoid it, nor many other parts of the language
ascii_field: another would be graphviz output.
deedbot-: [Qntra] Many Network Appliances Leak Master TLS Private Keys Through "Forward Secrecy" - http://qntra.net/2015/09/many-network-appliances-leak-master-tls-private-keys-through-forward-secrecy/
ascii_field: ^ this one is actually necessary and if no one else does it, i will. but can't promise ~when~.
trinque: I could hack on that this weekend
trinque: and maybe do some general tidying
trinque: or if ben_vulpes wants to, sounds fine too
ascii_field: ideally, each 'bubble' would be clickable and contain links to download patch and all signatures
ascii_field: (this would be hosted on a wwwtronic thing similar to turdatron, presumably)
ascii_field: 'Cavium has issued a patch and noti-
ascii_field: fied all customers (CVE-2015-5738) that
ascii_field: are using older SDK 2.x Cavium Cryptographic
ascii_field: Software under Linux on older
ascii_field: OCTEON II CN6xxx Hardware with details
ascii_field: of the vulnerability. OCTEON II
ascii_field: running Simple Exec (SE-S) applications
ascii_field: and OCTEON III CN7xxx processors are
ascii_field: not affected.'
ascii_field: l0l
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: Run Moar Closed Crypto Turdz
ascii_field: Use Moar American Standardz
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42800 @ 0.0007257 = 31.06 BTC [+] {3}
ascii_field: 'We observed one rather peculiar factorization of a RSA modulus, involving factor 23. What happened was that the public key in the X.509 certificate was corrupted in some (there was a bit flip, according to the server operator), and equation (1) accidentally revealed the factor 23. The corrupted modulus had other small factors, too, and a large composite factor with an unknown factorization.'
ascii_field: ^ guess who and what isn't cited in this paper, l0l
ascii_field: 'Some servers occasionally or consistently produce ServerKeyExchange messages which contain RSA signatures which are zero. Encoding of the number zero varied. In some cases, zero or one bytes were transmitted. Sometimes the length of the signature matched the size of the RSA modulus. The latter suggests that the server implementation may have omitted the copy of the computed signature. This could happen if RSA-CRT
ascii_field: hardening detects a faulty signature, does not write the result to a caller-provided buffer, returns an error.'
ascii_field: ^ k0000sm1k rayzz !!
thestringpuller: Maybe there is hope yet:
thestringpuller: Bitcoin is good for storing wealth in a deflationary, censorship resistant way. It is not very good for mainstream retail usage (yet).
thestringpuller: Yes, Bitcoin will go up in value just by people holding it. That's how commodities work. I don't see anyone "using" gold.
thestringpuller: i consider myself part of the internet mob
thestringpuller: I could tell as soon as I read the nonsense you post about Blockstream
mats: bitcoin is not deflationary, will never be useful for 'mainstream retail usage', and does not intrinsically 'go up in value just by people holding it'
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48936 @ 0.00072438 = 35.4483 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65681 @ 0.0007238 = 47.5399 BTC [-] {5}
mats: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/09/pwn2own-loses-hp-as-its-sponsor-amid-new-cyberweapon-restrictions
assbot: Pwn2Own loses HP as its sponsor amid new cyberweapon restrictions | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9RH9i )
shinohai: O.o wow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21239 @ 0.00072372 = 15.3711 BTC [-]
mats: http://strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/articles/20150904.aspx
assbot: Warplanes: ISIL Adopts Chinese UAVs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xrhxij )
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mats: toy store hardware
mats: its all toy store hardware, man
ascii_field: mats: not that it can't fly a frag. sop in donbass.
mats: my boss was a master instructor for the raven, 'military-grade UAS'
mats: piece of shit would fall out of the sky a quarter to third of the time it was flown
ascii_field: mats: what was nominally 'military' about it, other than the cost ?
mats: what qualifies as 'military'? i don't believe the army operates any uas with arms
ascii_field: i do not know
ascii_field: but mats did say 'military-grade'
jurov: in quotes
ascii_field: one example of 'military' feature would be, say, guidance via laser (or something else the opponent can't jam with $5 of components)
mats: interesting features, i guess, might include repeaters, a gimbaled payload (expensive camera and sensors)
ascii_field: or perhaps a little cup in which to stuff a frag with the spoon out
ascii_field: and a solenoid to squeeze it back out on command
ascii_field: *with the pin out
ascii_field: or, hell, clamps for a 'claymore'
ascii_field: use imagination.
mats: as far as i know the army only operates drones to surveill and recon
mats: afaik usn/usaf programs are the ones that kill people via rc
mats: http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2015/09/aqim-highlights-attack-on-un-troops-in-mali.php
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
mats: http://strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/display.cfm?pubID=1270
assbot: A Hard Look at Hard Power: Assessing the Defense Capabilities of Key U.S. Allies and Security Partners ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xrlpjp )
mats: doesnt look good for nato
mats: european nato has a pathetic number of aircraft
mats: from the foreword: 'In short, at a time when the United States needs the most help, the prospects for receiving it, with the exception of a few allies, look more worrisome than at any point since perhaps the immediate aftermath of World War II.' - COL (Ret.) Lovelace
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22578 @ 0.00072741 = 16.4235 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: http://cen.acs.org/articles/93/i35/Another-Neurodegenerative-Disease-Linked-Prion.html << More evidence that chirality and rotation matter when we search for a new planet ☟︎
assbot: Another Neurodegenerative Disease Linked To Prion Mechanism | September 7, 2015 Issue - Vol. 93 Issue 35 | Chemical & Engineering News ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHUrNb )
BingoBoingo: Also http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2015/09/03/ap_520239149091_wide-228d7d439dae264b8a80e01f4457b50d9b00cdaa-s1100-c15.jpg << Stingray
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHUybt )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18950 @ 0.00072741 = 13.7844 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00072746 = 19.2049 BTC [+] {3}
mats: ;;isup log.-a.link
gribble: log.-a.link is down
mats: ;;isup log.b-a.link
gribble: log.b-a.link is up
mats: ;;isup log.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: log.bitcoin-assets.com is up
mats: ;;isup coinbr.com
gribble: coinbr.com is up
shinohai: \o/ now if i only had btc to trade with the mermaids!
mircea_popescu: hey, anyone wanna do a sepa paymenbt for me ? coupla k's.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83789 @ 0.00072334 = 60.6079 BTC [-] {2}
mats: coinbr doesn't look up from over here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10061 @ 0.00072266 = 7.2707 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: hm logs really laggy for some reason
shinohai: same here mats coinbr not loading
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/bundles/rhrsa.txt holy shiot
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2UvtY )
mircea_popescu: dude...
kakobrekla: hm works here
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo i must point out qntra is in fact satisfying its job as a news site. I get news thgere.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: heh I get "under maintenance" page on my direct ip, and endless load from vpn
trinque: endless load over here re: coinbr
shinohai: T_T
mircea_popescu: curl: (52) Empty reply from server
mircea_popescu: * Closing connection #0
mircea_popescu: ^ logs
shinohai: !s Andrew Miller scam
assbot: 10 results for 'Andrew Miller scam' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Andrew+Miller+scam
shinohai: d'oh
kakobrekla: logz http://dpaste.com/397P3PT.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2Vpqu )
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> great, but why? << this is a complex point and would require some more indepth discussion to do it justice. in summary to my eyes it is an early attempt by the microsoft citatel to parlay compatibility problems of early linux into a "here, we've strangled it" usg solution. it failed to work irl, and the failure of java is torvalds' chief merit in this world. using it today is not unlike using ripple. you'r ☟︎
mircea_popescu: e a ridiculously quaint figure stuck on the long sunk battleships of the past.
mircea_popescu: sorta like being an uk citizen. seriously, in 2015 ? why not be a hittite while you're doing anachronisms.
shinohai: https://www.umiacs.umd.edu/about-us/news/mc2-doctoral-student-spreads-his-wealth-bitcoin-knowledge <<< signed up for your coursera course, watched 5 lectures and felt dumber than when I went in.
assbot: MC2 Doctoral Student Spreads His Wealth of Bitcoin Knowledge | UMIACS ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2VwCe )
mircea_popescu: sure, one can pretend that "well, it's a country." if one wants to. but for foreigners, no, it isn't. it was an empire and now it's nothing. not even a hole.
mircea_popescu: why don
mircea_popescu: t we use ecc ? or pki ? they're "perfectly functional solutions" that "other people" have "come to expect" blablabla.
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> and nobody can make me. << gotta love republican thought!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44284 @ 0.00072755 = 32.2188 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_modem
ascii_modem: log dead?
mircea_popescu: apparently. is a paste by kako above, i have my own copy too
ascii_modem: above lol
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/397P3PT.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2Vpqu )
ascii_modem: ty
mircea_popescu: mp
mircea_popescu: and here's mine. http://dpaste.com/28MEH3A
assbot: dpaste: 28MEH3A ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2Wlez )
kakobrekla: this works ? https://archive.is/XoLUq
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2Wnmw )
mircea_popescu: "El periodista Daniel Colina informó por medio de su cuenta en la red social Twitter informó que el Banco de Venezuela ubicada en La Castellana fue robado el pasado 10 de agosto en horas de la noche, los maleantes solo se llevaron las impresoras y televisores del lugar."
mircea_popescu: win lmao
mircea_popescu: (robbed bank in venezuela, thieves took printers and tvs)
trinque: log loaded over here
mircea_popescu: loaded here too.
mircea_popescu: them rays are strong today, better do less global warming for bitcoin mining!
ascii_modem: and here.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75400 @ 0.00072266 = 54.4886 BTC [-]
trinque: my car was smashed-n-grabbed two nights ago, stole that 4u I picked up and some other computers, guitars, etc ☟︎
trinque: left all my books!
trinque: that gave me quite a lol
ascii_modem: they took their sweet time, installing that splice...
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem kinda why the venezuela bank story is so lulzy. look at this picture worth 1k words : http://50noticias.com/portal/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Banco_de_Venezuela_Punto_Fijo_0011.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2WI8P )
ascii_modem: dead link
mircea_popescu: this is how a bank looks in the united states of america now. and in the future.
mircea_popescu: "Sin impresora para trámites agencia del Banco de Venezuela La Castellana tras robo ocurrido hace 8 días."
mircea_popescu: takes 8+ days to replace stolen printers in venezuela, takes 8+ minutes to do a splicing in us.net, etc.
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem for the maybe related tinfoilhat category : http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-09-04.log.html#t21:22:17
assbot: #Eulora log for Friday, 2015-09-04 ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2WTAU )
mircea_popescu: eulora was also unreachable across teh atlantic apparently.
mircea_popescu: <funkenstein_> the language is the lexicon << this is beyond naive and absolutely never the case. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i never ever spoke any russian, with anyone, pre b-a, because no, russian is not "the vocabulary", but principally the set of historical russians. between tolstoy and hruschev not so much to pick.
ascii_modem: sorta what i tried to explain to ben_vulpes
mircea_popescu: and i suspect pretty strongly that the interest in romanian such as it is is because ~I~ speak it, here as well as in my harem and anywhere else genuine interest exists for this particular item in the "crappy language pack".
mircea_popescu: not because it rhymes and aliterates well.
mircea_popescu: in short, without "acest articol are avantajul aliteralitatii alaturi", romanian doesn't even aliterate. at all.
shinohai: trinque: if you are like me, stealing a man's guitar is akin to stealing his woman
ascii_modem: 'ru i will learn only because... it was spoke by lenin'
trinque: shinohai: the acoustic had sentimental value, dad bought it for me.
trinque: but whatever, enjoy crackheads
trinque: wtf are they going to do with a storage server anyway
shinohai: Porque la guitarra me toqua, no al reves
trinque: pawn for 50 bucks?
mircea_popescu: 50 bucks is by now a few day's meth
ascii_modem: usually they steal first, ask questions later
mircea_popescu: "hey, what's that big ipad thing ?" "i dunno man, some older version. worth some scratch fo sho"
trinque: yeah, clearly had a truck/van, smashed back window, grabbed all
trinque: hope the 4u fell on someone, fucker was heavy
trinque: on the plus side, less to unpack later; I wasn't going to bring furniture anyway, so these were mostly toys stolen
ascii_modem: trinque: page the thermite squib!
shinohai: trinque: got serial #'s on that ?
trinque: ahaha, well if they plug anything in... I have my ways
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem if they break into his car and thereby lose a hand in the explosion he's going to jail.
trinque: nothing explosive unfortunately
trinque: mircea_popescu: sad state of affairs
mircea_popescu: one of the most fucktarded things the brits gifted the world.
trinque: be reasonable!
trinque: reasonable's you smash a man's car and that's the end of you
trinque: place in town fixed same day in two hours; I was impressed
mircea_popescu: (but in the original context it made a lot of sense. you really don't want to lose an arm because you innocently wandered into what you thought was a shop. because the patrimonial dispute thereby ensuing can be fixed, but the arm can not be reattached.)
ascii_modem: innocent my arse.
mircea_popescu: at the time this was a lot more likely than today.
mircea_popescu: owing to a population 1/20 as large, kept in check by a deeply patriarchical society.
ascii_modem: usg empowers scum as deliberate policy.
trinque: bum wanders into my lawn; he doesn't necessarily deserve to be shot
trinque: stealing half my posessions seems it oughta come with a price though
mircea_popescu: yes, it does, but this should not corrupt our understanding of history, politics, or legal matters.
ascii_modem: 'wanders' through door and into arse
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem if women had thermite up their ass which blew up every time someone grabbed it, ~I~ wouldn't have any arms. ☟︎
trinque: eh can't just come out blasting; say the guy's looking for his dumb toddler that wandered onto your porch
trinque: mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: (this event actually happened. splendid ass, /me grabs it, woman turns unamused and asks me what i'm doing, i retort that i'm innocently grabbing your ass, she says don't do that and i say alright.)
mircea_popescu: postcards from a saner world.
trinque: !b 5 ✂︎
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1K4GMB3.txt )
mircea_popescu: and yes, much like the "don't thermite" thing, this worked fine in a world 1/50 as small and very deeply patriarchical.
mircea_popescu: but in the us of today this is not feasible, for the same reason email spam is a thing
mircea_popescu: poor girl'd have holes through her butt, finger shaped, and collapse out of sheer exhaust of turning and saying "doin't do that" fifty million times.
ascii_modem: note the difference b/w thermiting a stolen box remotely, and minefield
mircea_popescu: ok, different story.
mircea_popescu: as a kid, /me fambly had a neighbour. one day mom's cooking and i'm computing in other room. door was unlocked (most of my life i lived in a world where locks were not really useful). neighbour blasts in, goes past mom, into room, has a wrench, approaches heating element decidedly
ascii_modem: in usa - both jail. but there is a difference.
mircea_popescu: then he turns to me and goes "what the fuck have you done to it ?!?!"
trinque: shinohai: yeah I have pictures of the relevant stickers with all that, but don't give a siht
mircea_popescu: and im lioke what and he's like it's fixed and then is like "oooooh"
trinque: server was 125 or w/e
mircea_popescu: had gone one flight too many in his anger.
trinque: guitar is long gone
trinque: all can be replaced
mircea_popescu: trinque coupla hundred are certainly cheaper than shooting some derp.
shinohai: I'm quite sad for you trinque because a similar situation occurred to me. Losing an instrument to someone that loves music as I do is akin to losing a limb.
trinque: eh I don't cry over that shit
trinque: just commenting on the scum about
trinque: mircea_popescu: indeed
mircea_popescu: shinohai i think unlike most music lovers, he knows he stinks.
shinohai: xD
trinque: yeah I'm total shit on the guitar
trinque: hehe
shinohai: I am too
trinque: just chords and having fun, is all it was for
mircea_popescu: nothing about womenz and panties in there whatsoever. i'm sure.
trinque: nah never
mircea_popescu: o nm, you did say "fun"
trinque: heh, indeed
shinohai: Music is the ambrosia of the soul and all that. When one is drunk, one rarely cares if it is fine wine or swag.
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> ^ guess who and what isn't cited in this paper, l0l << omfg that is FUCKING RIDICULOUS.
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262837 <<< neither would I have a pollon ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 22:09:22; mircea_popescu: ascii_modem if women had thermite up their ass which blew up every time someone grabbed it, ~I~ wouldn't have any arms.
mircea_popescu: <mats> bitcoin is not deflationary, will never be useful for 'mainstream retail usage', and does not intrinsically 'go up in value just by people holding it' << the first point is true in the objective. it is however "relatively deflationary" in the sense that to the rocket, all things seem to be sinking ; 2 is an obscure point of the future but seems likely correct ; 3. is outright false. willingness to hold === value
mircea_popescu: . end of story.
mircea_popescu: jurov sent an email to the ml ~5 mins ago, i don't see it on http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/thread.html any idea why ?
assbot: The BTC-dev September 2015 Archive by thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1O30G12 )
mircea_popescu: <mats> european nato has a pathetic number of aircraft << nato is basically european-wide greece for military issues. specifically this : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-09-2015#1259766 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 14:16:12; assbot: Logged on 10-12-2014 00:51:50; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had an article (or perhaps a thread here? but can't seem to find it...) about an archetypical u.s. expat. fellow keeps a pub somewhere in thailand, or cambodia, etc. the locals - drink for free. he fancies that if he begins to run out of dough, he can always start charging. but somehow in the back of his head he knows what will happen to his sorry ☟︎
mircea_popescu: !up anono
mircea_popescu falls into an alf-style rage over the ml thing.
mircea_popescu: the friability of this thing, whereby i did something, i didn't observe the expected result, and don't know what to do is driving me fucking bonkers.
trinque: I'm still waiting on being able to switch out of "digest" mode
mircea_popescu: to doubleckeck here : email to the address, had a plaintext as 1st attachment and detached sig as 2nd attachment/
mircea_popescu: amirite ?
trinque: and signed message body?
mircea_popescu: no body. wasn't body optional ?
mircea_popescu: !up xinxiwang
xinxiwang: thanks
xinxiwang: the market is calm.
mircea_popescu: aha. who're you ?
xinxiwang: do you still remember coinut.com?
trinque: mircea_popescu: could be; not sure
xinxiwang: did the authentication process change?
mircea_popescu: !s coinut
assbot: 4 results for 'coinut' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=coinut
mircea_popescu: the logs remember.
xinxiwang: nice
mircea_popescu: trinque hm it might have been the armored detached sig o.O
xinxiwang: it seems more quiet than before.
mircea_popescu: ok, for the record : sent it with no body, and with a clearsigned body ; the latter with .asc armored signature and with .sig binary signature. still nothing there.
trinque: huh, maybe the ML's just busted
mircea_popescu: the "with clearsigned body and .sig signature" version is exact replica of the single email i successfully sent to date, back in the days of the V patch.
trinque: as far as I recall that's right
trinque: hm, yeah
mircea_popescu gives up
mircea_popescu: we need something to do this.
mircea_popescu: i estimate currently this sort of thing is 99% why we don't get more work submitted.
trinque: maybe becomes a function of the web page viewer for V ?
trinque: or do you mean replacing mailman with another mail thing that works better
mircea_popescu: i have nfi. all i know atm is this does not in fact work as is
mircea_popescu thinks about it
trinque: myup
trinque departs for now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60615 @ 0.0007283 = 44.1459 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30935 @ 0.00073164 = 22.6333 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31467 @ 0.00073181 = 23.0279 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: here's how i do it: 1) clearsigned (asciiarmoured) body. 2) attachment 3) signature (asciiarmoured, detached) of attachment, having the filename attach.foo.sig for every attach.foo ☟︎
asciilifeform: body can also consist of attachment, in the form: 1st attach: body.txt (clearsigned text)
asciilifeform: in fact, if i do it any other way, it dies
asciilifeform: <trinque> maybe becomes a function of the web page viewer for V ? << i am writing one.
asciilifeform: about half done, at this moment.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and it dun work with binary signature for anything.
asciilifeform: gotta use armoured.
cazalla: #3 or #4 design change for dat bitcoin phoundation https://bitcoinfoundation.org/