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cazalla: oh, garza never ceases to provide the lulz.. his $20 honour program was to go live today.. posts this a few days back
https://i.imgur.com/1RjXbe4.png and now the day of launch..
http://blog.paybase.com/status-of-honor-program/ " As previously reported, we are reviewing with counsel the features of the Honors Program and what if any aspects of the program may require regulatory approval. We intend to proceed based upon advise of counsel and
cazalla: will provide updates as developments warrant."
ben_vulpes: side note: that's the informal name for the infrastructure provisioning tool i wrote for internal use
trinque: asciilifeform: at least one might hope that even they've lost track of which pieces of tech they've weakened over the years, such that they've weakened themselves as well
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trinque: put more clearly, does the thing committing industrial-scale corruption of software provide the rest of govt a reliable map of which things are unsafe to use. I'd think not
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trinque: asciilifeform: I think I see your point; the answer is not "yes, oops" but "Yes as a matter of policy."
trinque: damn, that makes a great deal of sense.
trinque: seems to rule out what I said too. That they might have underlings use weakened crypto provides them greater control over them, and eh, if they get intercepted/caught/etc they were expendable in the first place.
trinque: as you point out, the things that really matter use crypto that (afaik) works
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> and the notion that it is, is purely a mirage created by the hairball << bitcoin is certainly simple.
mircea_popescu: cazalla your pics put the finger on the point : this is why we despise them.
mircea_popescu: trinque obviously it does not work in the favour of the bureaucracy. for the simple reason that the incentives of the talented, the smart and the valuables never are nor ever could be alligned with socialism.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "yes, as a matter of policy, in the sense an addict's untimely death is a matter of his own policy"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the steve dutch piece is funny because... "i lie" gets transmorgrified into "they lie" in such a predictable fashion.
mircea_popescu: yes, i'm sure "they" lie, notwithstanding that "they" doesn't even exist as such outside of the sufferer's sufferances.
danielpbarron: made it to 93225 and it seems to have stopped without producing any errors in either debug.log or nohup.out
trinque: mircea_popescu: is this the classic paranoia that the underlings are all out to get the leadership, as manifested in tech?
trinque: bin laden seemed to do pretty well in turning our system inward on itself
trinque: trying to pull it into words... it would seem to be a sign of institutional illness, autoimmune disorder
trinque: mircea_popescu: I remember you talking about whether Stalins rust; I understand him to have succumbed to a great deal of paranoia about underlings coming after him
trinque: this seems a winning strategy, find the top, discover their nightmares, convince them that you're it, you're everywhere, and they're fucked
mircea_popescu: stalins purges were just good politics, if not from a very society-approved paradigm.
trinque: at which point they attack themselves (their country)
trinque: yeah, I'm not qualified to understand how that was perceived internally
mircea_popescu: but yes, that is unrelatedly the winning strategy, and sure, it's working splendidly. in spite of sustained pretense of everyone to you know, "who is mp".
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mircea_popescu: in other words, there's a lot of value in ~actually being the nightmare~, on the side.
trinque: I took aikido for a while; the teacher always pointed out that while you were using their own movements against them, you could for instance break their neck here, dislocate shoulder with a push an inch that way, etc
BingoBoingo: I'm adding "Giant Golden Tiger driven by invisible slaves" to the wishlist.
mircea_popescu: “The most recent poll showed that the majority of Americans no longer believe the conspiracy theory that a species emitting only 3% of the world’s supply of a poor heat-trapping gas are magically cooling the planet… I mean heating the planet…. or wait, I mean causing the weather to change now.”
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mircea_popescu: let them fucking come and worship instead of going around in circles like headless chickens pretending the whole world's a chicken and someone severed its head.
mircea_popescu: "the nonsense we belive in is not really nonsense, which is why we can't hoild a conversation with random people. let's instead talk of sports!"
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski you know these log copies where you capitalize the first letter in a line but not subsequent sentence leads nor 1st person pronouns is very odd looking.
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Nemesis3: mircea_popescu hey thanks :) came mostly to keep an eye on the conversation here, I enjoy your website.
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mircea_popescu: you know how to voice yourself on the new model bitstein ?
bitstein: Still !up in a message to assbot, right?
bitstein: Cool. I like the upgrade with the OTPs for every command.
bitstein: Do I need to re-rate everyone using assbot for the asswot?
mircea_popescu: (no you don't have to redo the history, it was copied over)
mircea_popescu: hopefully we'll get a way to automate communication between gribble and assbot once nanotube gets around to it.
danielpbarron: "hypocrites! they forked the WoT but they won't fork bitcoin!"
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 1 because allowing two ways to do things never killed anyone and 2 probably because i want to see the stuff. i suspect it's a derivative of the general "fits in head" principle.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron nothing hypocritical about it : if WE fork bitcoin, then it's ok. if nobody claims to do it, nobody gets quashed.
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2015 02:32:39; mircea_popescu: including the actual bitcoin foundation is the correct move there. mod6 ben_vulpes are in charge.
mircea_popescu: "The "Bitcoin Foundation" poured an unforgiveable number of coins into the market to feed Gavin Andresen and his family…and for what? 3 years of development that's just about to get flushed down the drain? The appearance of relevance without any of the hard work of thinking and making things work correctly? [...] Consider the tragedy wrought by an internet forum accidentally blessed with untold riches and weep."
mircea_popescu: so much wastage has never seen, not since the great california gold rush at any rate.
mircea_popescu: (btw... the reason silicon valley as a marketable product exists today ? that.)
mircea_popescu: california minus the gold rush, and the resulting adaptaiton, would have been washington with a coastline.
mircea_popescu: but with it, "that's california for you", something conceptually entrenched already in the times of mark twain. on the basis of which, hollywood, and shockley.
mircea_popescu: you have to understand in 1890 nobody wanted to leave new york (where show biz lived) to go in tumbleweedland.
mircea_popescu: it took 50 years, that could only be built because of the previous 50. and so on.
mircea_popescu: you realise mexico city is larger than all texas, right ?
mircea_popescu: i doubt that claim, but it's certainly not impossible.
mircea_popescu: anyway, people readily forget history. siegel had to beg and steal new york money to build, what essentially was, the first building in the desert.
mircea_popescu: nothing existed there prior, or in the words of sinatra (a man the age of one's grandparents), "this place was sand before i came here and it'll be sand again before i'm done with you!"
mircea_popescu: for that matter, cca 1890 a japanese invasion of the entire west coast was regarded moderately likely and entirely feasible in principle.
Nemesis3: I never thought of that, it really makes sense (about gold rush), i'm still blow away by phoenix and other metropolis in the middle of nowhere
Nemesis3: mircea_popescu then in ww2 the gov took everything from them
mircea_popescu: more importantly : the cost of hay in carson city was 250 dollars per ton in 1962, and had been as much as twice that. at the same time a horse could be had for 30.
mircea_popescu: these arrangements, the making thereof, that's what the whole tinseltown is built on.
mircea_popescu: here : "Speculation ran riot, and yet there was a world of substantial business going on, too. All freights were brought over the mountains from California (150 miles) by pack-train partly, and partly in huge wagons drawn by such long mule teams that each team amounted to a procession, and it did seem, sometimes, that the grand combined procession of animals stretched unbroken from Virginia to California. Its long rout
mircea_popescu: e was traceable clear across the deserts of the Territory by the writhing serpent of dust it lifted up. By these wagons, freights over that hundred and fifty miles were $200 a ton for small lots (same price for all express matter brought by stage), and $100 a ton for full loads. One Virginia firm received one hundred tons of freight a month, and paid $10,000 a month freightage. In the winter the freights were much high
mircea_popescu: er. All the bullion was shipped in bars by stage to San Francisco (a bar was usually about twice the size of a pig of lead and contained from $1,500 to $3,000 according to the amount of gold mixed with the silver), and the freight on it (when the shipment was large) was one and a quarter per cent. of its intrinsic value."
mircea_popescu: and it's a great blessing, too, you know ? if that's what it costs you won't be sending much gawker across.
mircea_popescu: these absurd constraints are a great driver of innoivation. for instance, the "lawless", "rugged" and obviously unwashed rapists of the wild west ?
mircea_popescu: they nevertheless sent mail on special paper. thinner than the bible sheets.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> "blood pressure boost" << can't tell whether this is good or bad for your health
mircea_popescu: when there's money to pay for it, and necessarilty in the shape of "fallen from the sky", the marriage with absurd constraints is the most productive thing known to man.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu: am i the only one who wonders why 1) checking hashes, inside a pgp-signed script, when patch sigs also are checked 2) patches & their hashes, sigs, listed explicitly, instead of iterating over directory << consider it an excess of paranoia
mircea_popescu: then soon enough the HABIT of innovaton forms, and it's set. becomes culture, and win.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] (build script, that is) << every time i publish a revision it gets shorter and more legible, fuck off
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's not too bad for my health. definitely worse for the long term prospects of the heathens
ben_vulpes: 'twon't even be around forever. it's part of bootstrapping a slimmed down codebase that doesn't need all the trimming etc
assbot: Logged on 01-02-2015 21:41:09; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I was mostly interested in linking the zombie's name to the NeoBee thing yet again. There's little left in the Ulbricht case capable of being interesting until appeals are filed.
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt they still believe "the problem" can be contained with muppets.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't trust it, if it wasn't obvious already.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if anyone's curious as to how exactly stuff like reddit or tardstalk work, here's a blow by blow, by a guy in the know :
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mircea_popescu: During the spring, Fenwick announced that they were going to pay summer associates only $2,100, which was below the $2,400 that most big firms in New York, LA and Chicago were paying their summers. Yet, right before we arrived in Palo Alto, Fenwick, along with every other Silicon Valley firm, announced that they were going to pay summers $2,400, commensurate with the big firms in other major cities.
mircea_popescu: What does this have to do with anything? Well, I was almost single-handedly responsible for Fenwick, and basically every other Silicon Valley firm, raising their summer associate salary from $2,100 to 2,400. How is that possible, you ask? The beauty of the internet, and the influence of an amazing website called Infirmation.com.
mircea_popescu: Infirmation.com is a job-related website that has message boards on it, where anyone can anonymously post anything. The message boards are divided by region, one being for New York associates, one for Silicon Valley, one for Chicago, etc. These message boards, called “Greedy Associate” boards, had vaulted to fame in the preceding months as a means for associates at different firms to anonymously share information w
mircea_popescu: ith each other about salary, benefits, work conditions, anything they choose. One of the sparking events was when Gunderson, a relatively small firm in Silicon Valley, raised their starting associate salaries from somewhere around the industry average of $100,000 to $125,000. One of the first places this information was posted and disseminated was the messages boards on Infirmation.com, and from that event, as well as
mircea_popescu: a few others like it, junior associates at all the major firms started sharing info with each other about the relative benefits and detriments of their particular firms on these Greedy Associate boards.
mircea_popescu: As a result of these developments, partners at all the majors firms monitored these message boards, looking for the latest gossip about their firms and their competing firms. They had to stay up to date, because a change in benefits in Firm A could mean a flood of ass
mircea_popescu: a flood of associates or law students to that firm, and away from Firm B, before Firm B even knew what was going on.
mircea_popescu: How does this relate to the story? The summer salaries had already been announced in New York at $2,400, and everyone was waiting for the Silicon Valley firms to announce their summer salaries [Fenwick had four major competitors in Silicon Valley at the time: Cooley, Wilson, and Brobeck (these are abbreviated names of law firms)]. Fenwick was the first to announce; they did so sometime around late April, and they annou
mircea_popescu: I was unhappy with this, so I immediately posted this info on the Infirmation.com Silicon Valley/SF Greedy Associate board, and then, using four or five different anonymous screen names, proceeded to have a thread discussion on how horrible this was, how Fenwick was insulting it’s summers, how no one was going to accept their offers because the firm was so cheap it wouldn’t fork over the extra $300 a week, etc, etc
mircea_popescu: . I even used one of my aliases to play the other side. It was beautiful. Of the 20 messages on this topic on the first day, I probably posted 10 of them. I kept this up, at a slightly lower output, for about three days.
mircea_popescu: About a week after Fenwick’s announcement, and the resulting Infirmation.com message board “explosion,” Wilson, a Fenwick competitor, announced they were paying summers $2,400. Each of the other Silicon Valley firms quickly fell in line after that, including Fenwick.
mircea_popescu: the author is one tucker max, famous for nothing in particular (and whose life story is instructive, in case any chickies born yesterday actually believe amanda hess or randi zuckerberg are "feminist" models, and something good for her, and failed to understand that
http://trilema.com/2015/the-worm/ is simply a fable about gawker.
mircea_popescu: by now, there's an entire generation of essentially useless men hoping they will be able to make a living off this model.
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mircea_popescu: tucker max at any rate quit law school for it, or to quote tlp
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mircea_popescu: well i can't seem to find it, but he has a bit about "you don't believe me ? then believe x, she was stupid enough to quit medical school to join x shartup and now is a relationships expert"
danielpbarron: and sorry, thought i was scrolled all the way down
mircea_popescu: "strategist". what is your strategy ? "i pretend like i matter on the internet" why ? "YOU DONT UNDERSTAND HOW THE WORLD WORKS".
mircea_popescu: and you know "rudius media empire" was a thing, and some kids that meanwhile got jobs / wives / unsuspended sentences ACTUALLY BOUGHT INTO
mircea_popescu: incidentally i suppose, the quote also throws a harsh light over the widespreadness of price fixing in silicon valley. seriously, fucking law interns ?
mircea_popescu: instead of pretending like we're fixing the problem like preet, let's try and think about the causes. why do firms perceive the need to artificially cap salaries ? this seems only rational in an hyperinflationary environment.
mircea_popescu: why do businesses in a country that's struggling with the spectre of deflation - businesses locate in the prime rib of that country, even - have problems typical of hyperinflating environments ?!
BingoBoingo: Half a yard from the end zone and Captain Nigger tosses an interception. Bullshit ending to the game.
mircea_popescu: samir doesn't sound like a slut name and twitter doesn't sound like it is going to publish good boobs. so i'ma click on something else instead.
cazalla: well i figured "my" would act as a qualifier for actual girls posting their own tits
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BingoBoingo: At least the coach is owning the call that lost the game.
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danielpbarron: i think this "bastard" thing is eating up all my bandwidth
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mod6: asciilifeform: thanks for the submission for removal of dnsseed
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punkman: "but nobody used that thing"
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mircea_popescu: nobody's using that thing to try and do something to mah powerbase ? or else paranoida.
punkman: danielpbarron: there's a bunch of them
punkman: so what do we think about op_return?
punkman: or rather, what does the foundation think
assbot: script: reduce OP_RETURN standard relay bytes to 40 by jgarzik · Pull Request #3737 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... (
http://bit.ly/1AhcQ1b )
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mircea_popescu: holy shit, it turns out Marvel's The Avengers is the highest grossing and highest opening movie of all time.
mircea_popescu: not to mention that not a fucking thing in there is even watchable.
mircea_popescu: but hey, led displays to be able to adjust price in real time are just technological improvbement.
punkman: has that been in some movie?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> holy shit, it turns out Marvel's The Avengers is the highest grossing and highest opening movie of all time. << The power of brand and using 5 previous feature length films as trailers.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, they got the super heros which are followed by the fanboys. From there they release a bunch of movies the fanboys use to get other idiots comfortably with Marvel. Then ??? Profit.
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mats: disney is now fabulously rich because of marvel
mircea_popescu: i guess there's lots of things i don't really understand.
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BingoBoingo: ESPN and Marvel are basically what funds Disney nao.
mats: they own a lot of hollywood now
punkman: they even got Star Wars now
BingoBoingo: It's pretty much been of couple of decades of marching in the opposite direction of AOL Time Warner
mircea_popescu: i mean look at that, it's not even funny, straight line with an oscillator thrown in wtf is this.
BingoBoingo still reeling over last week's discovery that of all distros Linux Mint appears as though it will be a systemd holdout.
BingoBoingo: Right, Linux Mint still comes with so many bolt ons and opaque Ubuntu heart.
danielpbarron: it's a Bible channel / not usually that kind of conversation in there
BingoBoingo: Wallowing with the Eagles is the best wallowing.
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mircea_popescu: so apparently there exists a real estate firm in ba called "asses propriedades"
mircea_popescu: "hello, yeah, i'd like to rent an ass. can i live in it ?"
BingoBoingo: Have any pogo people run the ArmV build with a preloaded blockchain (i.e. minimal initial sync before current)?
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Bullshit ending. Also I really want a 30 foot golden mechanical tiger to ride for when the times come.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Kurt Warner's always been old.
BingoBoingo: Even when he was on the Rams he was old having bagged groceries and played NFL Europe.
BingoBoingo very disappoint the game didn't end with Whitey getting Lynched
BingoBoingo: Indeed. Would have been nice to see Seattle win on the ground and close the book on the Air Assault era that ushered in
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BingoBoingo: how about: In the interest of the reference implementation being a robust solution that requires minimal trust of its peers, the header's only approach favored by the Vessenes' foundation's forks' developers is being passed over in favor of actual solutions.
cazalla: asciilifeform, ya need a few beers, reads ok here, had a few beers though
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I tried to fix the parsing. Sentence needed a subject among other things.
adlai: like, the header only had one approach, so this approach was the header's only approach?
adlai: it's fucking underlined in blue, how does it not jump out to you
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adlai: actually if we go full anal, strunk & white specifically mentions that the plural of a singular ending in s includes an additional apostrophe+s, so it'd be « Vessenes's »
mircea_popescu: they're way past the 8th "launch"of their whatever it is.
mircea_popescu: wynona ryder's somehow going to end up mixed in all this isn't she.
mircea_popescu: she just liberated some items from an oppressive representative hierarchical inventory system.
mircea_popescu: hm. no lead obama, now that'd probably help the environment.
BingoBoingo: And you know where they mine lead? Ozarkistan.
mircea_popescu: i suppose they did more solid ice in the 60s than previously thought.
BingoBoingo: Totally. And then Nixon killed the Chemistry hobby.
assbot: Mating Grounds: Geoffrey Miller and Tucker Max Copy Danger & Play and Hilarity Ensues - Danger & Play ... (
http://bit.ly/1ztPUbY )
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assbot: Logged on 29-01-2015 04:14:19; asciilifeform: they 'which room'
mircea_popescu: this guy is supposedly a big deal internet marketing thing. why the fuck does he live in half a kitchinette separated by a pressedboard pane from the other half ?
mircea_popescu: well afaik he identifies as a capt'n of the whole "how to get laid" thing.
mircea_popescu: but yes, the general idea is that these are people who trasnform the culture and are well read and etc.
mircea_popescu: i suppose i misunderstand power on top of everything else. and ows did things.
mircea_popescu: Daryush Valizadeh,[1] (born June 14, 1979)[2] also known as Roosh V and Roosh Vorek, is an American[3] writer, pick-up artist[4][5] and self-styled "love tourist"[6] of Iranian and Armenian descent,[7] known for his writings on seduction and antifeminism.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "dditionally, Roosh has self-published 14 books, most of which offer advice to men on how to sleep with women in specific countries."
hanbot: <assbot> Tucker Max Is Lying << dude clinton should've been made emperor stead of impeached. clearly this is the sort of shit they're interested in.
cazalla: self-published as in hey, i uploaded my shit to amazon, i'm an author now
mircea_popescu: lmao he never wrote about... hungary ? romania ? czech republic ? wtf is wrong with this guy lmao
mircea_popescu: hanbot well somehow it turns out you can't be an emperor on the support of 20something us boys.
mircea_popescu: "Bang Ukraine: How to Have Sex With Ukrainian Girls In Ukraine (2012)"
mircea_popescu: uh... i dunno, go to any of the campuses, pick a girl and take her out to lunch ?
mircea_popescu: worked in 1995. worked in 1997. worked in... 2002 iirc.
mircea_popescu: "Roosh's Argentina Compendium: Pickup Tips, City Guides, And Stories (2011) "
mircea_popescu: holy shit, there's three different bars within ten blocks of where you live, you can just go there and LOOK at a girl.
mircea_popescu: she'll come right over, and if you speak spanish it's somethinjg like 500 pesos
mircea_popescu: s/ten blocks of where you live/ten blocks of where I live/
mircea_popescu: sad fact of the matter is, any book costs me about a dollar a page or thereabouts.
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2014 19:38:32; asciilifeform: as a boy, i read about an 18th c. book, 'Triple Power over the Forces of Hell'
mircea_popescu: "Tucker Max was a hero of mine. I discovered his writing at the age of eighteen, and idolized his literary persona for the next five years. His descent into mediocrity has been painful for me to watch.
mircea_popescu: Most would say that Tucker Max was nothing more than a brief flash-in-the-pan, a pony whose only trick was vulgar frat boy humour. But the reality is that Tucker Max’s stories were more than just entertainment: They articulated a new male identity that was unapologetically masculine and intellectual."
mircea_popescu: why the fuck WOULDNT you pay the woman. this is beyond me. i am not discussing a whore here. forget that part. i go out, and notice a girl sitting down. i chat her up, she comes with me and i fuck her. turns out she's 17, she's a virgin, and she's never even THOUGHT of doing anything like this, in her life.
mircea_popescu: but kids experiment and she's a kid and she's experimented.
mircea_popescu: if i don't buy her a car and some fat and bald goofball buys his "daughter" whom his wife had with the plumber the car
mircea_popescu: is being tall accepted ? or also fishing with dynamite ?
mircea_popescu: very feminist/socialist this you know ? "more brownie points for being a tranny than for bein a white male". "why ?" "uhmmm... because we're stupid" "ah ok"
mircea_popescu: so money, which someone CAN get , is right off. but being tall, which someone CAN NOT get, and is certainly more on the button than money when hitting on a woman, is ok.
mircea_popescu: plenty of stuff is quite reasonable - wash, stay in shape etc.
mircea_popescu: but it's quite clearly something done by the poor for the poor, this.
mircea_popescu: and im not altogether convinced the poor should get laid all that much.
mircea_popescu: wtf was it called, narrowly missed becoming a grant bezzle
mircea_popescu: exact fucking equivalent of the "expert systems" failed msword&excel-based approach to hard ai
mircea_popescu: hm, i guess the actual practice evolved under selective pressure more towards the cold calling / stage magician thing
mircea_popescu: actually i'm being whispered in ear that a) it's called manosphere now, and b) the central point is that women lie a lot and guys hafta be confident.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my intel is great at summaries. it... has to be.
assbot: Logged on 22-04-2014 12:51:23; asciilifeform: phun phact: as a student, i once seriously planned to build a pocket gas chromatographer, to pick up gurlz. how!? to do this - exercise for alert reader.
mircea_popescu: i missed that line. what, see if they're ovulating ? drunk ?
mircea_popescu: dude really, it's very easy to pick up girls. tell her what to do. if she does it, fine. if she doesn't, there's more.
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mircea_popescu: i am not going to end up writing about this. apparently it's well covered.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think the spoiler improves it.
mircea_popescu: you're not about to tell me that mammal reproduction is a zero sum game
BingoBoingo kind of wants fMRI for investigating this brain damage at some point. Maybe it can live in the belly of 30 foot golden mechanical tiger.
punkman: is there a "paleo pickup" branch? "work out a lot so you can actually pick them up and walk off with them"
mircea_popescu: i thought the idea was to always get rid of them, which is why they keep getting shitty sex
mircea_popescu: (one has to have shitty sex to imagine literotica is a good description of sexuality and the really really important part about a great piece of ass is her bra size)
punkman: asciilifeform: no, in some schools of thought, one is supposed to emplace them in orbits << the not-harem
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Usually here they wait until the hospital. Traditional mixture here is B-52 comprised of Benadryl, 5 mg haloperidol, 2 mg ativan.
punkman: mircea_popescu: they had some acronym for it. long term multiple relationship something
punkman: so multiple girlfriends, but you can't have them at the same time
mircea_popescu: a) chicks love each other, unless brainwashed otherwise and b) where the fuck is that article brb
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: like machining. << mill cut Bastard file takes minimal space
mircea_popescu: anyway, the quote i wanted "A treia observatie este ca-i falsa teoria conform careia a te iubi cu doua fete e dificil din motive de anduranta fizica, adica tu abia rezisti s-o multumesti pe una, ce te faci cind is doua ?!" and from there on, "Ei bine, cu doua fete prezente, dornice si rabolite ambele segmente se extind cacascavalu' pane, si nu se mai dau dom'le duse. Chiar glumeam ca-i distractia pulii situatia, vrea s
mircea_popescu: a se bage putin si-aici, putin si-acolo, si-n gaurica asta ce-i, da-n gaurica aia cumu-i, si nu se mai lasa odata convinsa ca vrea sa incerce din toate ca plodu-n magazinu' de inghetati."
punkman: mircea_popescu: dude really, it's very easy to pick up girls. tell her what to do. if she does it, fine. if she doesn't, there's more. << I should "self-publish" that on Amazon
mircea_popescu: "The third point is that the theory by which loving two girls is difficult for cause of limited physical endurance, which is to say you can barely satisfy one, what the fuck to do with two is entirely false.
mircea_popescu: I know not of others, but of myself I can testify of how testy things go. In any sexual act by which I mean copulation, there's present two segments. The first, from onset until I feel I can ejaculate if I wish to, an the second from there on, which is to say until whether I wish to or not, it's coming out. Depending on various factors, such as if I'm tired, or not well acquainted with the miss and I'm shocked by how g
mircea_popescu: ood she looks etc, the second segment may compress even to a quarter inute and such, but otherwise it's generally equal to the first, half hour, an hour, whatever.
mircea_popescu: Well, with two girls present, eager and widely spread both segments expand like grilled cheese, and won't get gone already! We were even laughing at the cock's amusement, it wants a little in there, and a little in here, but what's in this little hole, how's it like in that one, it just woudn't give up because it kept wanting to try stuff like the kid in the icecream store."
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punkman: asciilifeform: what's missing from the recipe?
cazalla: mircea_popescu> and im not altogether convinced the poor should get laid all that much. <<< isn't that all the poor do? what else are ya gonna do but fuck
mircea_popescu: not for the retarded reasons of "omg they're making babies" or stupid like that.
cazalla: i got laid far more when i had next to nothing and lived at home with my parents
mircea_popescu: the problem is that if you running around in a circle yields you 10 dopamine bitcoins per hour, and actually reading the logs yields you 1 dopamine bitcoin per hour increasing by 10% every subsequent hour,
mircea_popescu: poor people have this very massive twin headed disadvantage where a) they start from a very low basis, hence the 1 bitcoin and b) they start surrounded by morons, so nobody to tell them about the importance of %s
mircea_popescu: fucking less when you're poor is a great plan. you'll get bored, which makes you question your environment, and perhaps even find better shit to do.
mircea_popescu: and generally, cutting down on everything you enjoy whenever you don't like where you are generally is a splendid plan.
mircea_popescu: so fundamentally good even most animals know and apply it.
mircea_popescu: simply that : whenever you don't like where you are, do less of everything you like and more of everything that's hard.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo california's really going to shit for produce isnt it
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Haven't been there myself to check but most produce here seems to come from Chile, Peru, and Mexico
mircea_popescu: california used to be a huge vegetable and so forth producer
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BingoBoingo: Far more farms locally doing the produce thing though. Might be that California priced itself out.
BingoBoingo: Could be the california wine thing's expanded into land that used to be produce? Could be any number of things, but... They just don't own the produce section like they used to.
mircea_popescu: here's a well known open secret : wine is not a market.
mircea_popescu: europe is sitting on a lake of wine the size of wisconsin.
BingoBoingo: American wine mostly consists of Gallo et al and people who want to own wineries jsut because
mircea_popescu: i guess it's the puritan thing to do. can't buy the girl her own car, but you can have her over at your exclusive winery resort / dude farm for aweek.
punkman: and your shit wine costs you $2k a bottle
mircea_popescu: so she can bring a bunch of dudes over and then you can text her abvout how she shouldn't instagram black cock stretching her out
cazalla: BingoBoingo, a bunch of aussies found that one out the hard way.. ass droppped out of the aussie grape market
mircea_popescu: and you can be called out by gawker and lose your team for half a billion
mircea_popescu: punkman meanwhile fine bordeaux can readily be had for 50 euros a bottle./
punkman: mircea_popescu: and local wine costs about 2-3eur a liter
mircea_popescu: generally yeah. bout what it is in romania, italy and every other producing country.
punkman: and since I'm a barbarian, I even buy it in a box
mircea_popescu: and i think it's fine and i also drink it, so there's that.
BingoBoingo: Local (Illinois/Missouri) can run $7-15 a bottle. Not particularly good, but more flavor than Gallo
mircea_popescu: but yes, recas (timisoara's pocket winery) has plenty of passable wines from 15 lei.
punkman: about wine lake: " Plan Bordeaux: an initiative introduced in 2005 by ONIVINS, the French vintners association, designed to reduce France's wine glut and improve sales. Part of the plan is to uproot 17,000 hectares of the 124,000 hectares of vineyards in Bordeaux."
punkman: why don't they make some room for cows that taste good
BingoBoingo: ^Another California problem. Wasting land on Cows that would be fine in Wisconsin, and promoting "California Cheese"
punkman: france exports a lot of cow. I've yet to buy one that's fit for something other than stew
☟︎ punkman: I did have some steak of Uruguay the other day, was excellent.
cazalla: they grow nice cows here on king island, cost a bit extra but tasty so ya know, prob best steak in australia, least from what i've purchased
cazalla: and being from tasmania, gotta be good
punkman: so when someone wants to buy some live cows from latin america, do you have to airmail it?
punkman: cow-rocket does sound faster
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punkman: offline arm-box decided to die, hmm
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mircea_popescu: " A veteran Assistant Public Defender in San Francisco, Jami Tillotson, was in a courtroom when she learned that another of her clients was being questioned in the hallway by a platoon of officers led by a plainclothes officer, Sergeant Inspector Brian Stansbury. When Tillotson intervened to point out that the police can’t go around questioning a guy that they know to be represented outside the presence of his lawyer
mircea_popescu: For “resisting arrest,” even though her response to being threatened with arrest was “please do,” followed by immediate submission. If “please do” has become the new standard for resisting, we can set the Doomsday clock to 1 minute to 1984."
mircea_popescu: "And, of course, witnesses report that Inspector Stansbury did go ahead and ask questions after the guy’s lawyer gets led away. There’s the subtlety of the job right there: do something that won’t raise the ire of a court to get a foot in the door, use that to intimidate, then get the target to start volunteering information in a vain effort to make the intimidation end. Standard procedure. Tillotson knew what wa
mircea_popescu: s going down and got chained to a wall for an hour for her efforts.
mircea_popescu: shooting policemen on sight is supposed to appear as a morally dubious choice ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i really can't get all excited when various poor people do it. i can see exactly why.
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mircea_popescu: stupidest thing i ever heard. as if the hard part about getting someone to translate romanian trilema is "how to package the articles in querstion". that's the big deal, whether to save them as .jpg or .xls
punkman: tucker's biography is gonna be way more funny than his stories
punkman: he will ghostwrite it with his own two hands
assbot: Logged on 02-02-2015 07:51:40; punkman: france exports a lot of cow. I've yet to buy one that's fit for something other than stew
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assbot: National Oil Bargaining Talks Break Down: USW Calls for Work Stoppage at Nine Oil Refineries, Plants | United Steelworkers ... (
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mats: this is gonna be good
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assbot: The real reason Ryan Charles was fired from reddit: he spent the entire duration of his employment working on a port of bitcoin core to Javascript. : Buttcoin ... (
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mats: found a dude thats read mp and loper
mats: i ate an entire package of seitan, like 14oz of it, after i came back from the gym last night
mats: huge mistake... i don't think my stomach can process ~100 grams of protein
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fluffypony: how the hell is Gray's Anatomy still going
thestringpuller: "Rather than attempt to get individuals and firms to sign up for the website and ask for their reputations to be validated, Bonafide uses publicly available information — data from social networks and Bitcoin networks — to report on people and companies in the Bitcoin industry." << why not just do this stuff yourself?
thestringpuller: additionally isn't the point of reputation peer based to begin with?
davout: wait a couple of months and some derp will come up with a btcjam variation built on top of it
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mats: mixing social networks and bitcoin networks? isn't that what keybase does?
davout: because they honor withdrawals i guess?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller because they never actually got that much mainstream exposure.
mircea_popescu: they're mostly like reddit, a bunch of losers with nothing better on their plate hoping to get money "somehow"
kakobrekla: <assbot> Bonafide Raises $850k for Bitcoin Reputation System . < whats wrong with asswot nao?
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davout: kakobrekla: user has to keyboard
PeterL: thestringpuller: "Bonafide uses publicly available information — data from social networks and Bitcoin networks — to report on people and companies in the Bitcoin industry." << why not just do this stuff yourself? << makes sense to compile various WoTs, gribbleWot and AssWoT are slowly diverging, it would be nice to have one place to look at both
PeterL: not saying I trust them, but the idea has merit
thestringpuller: and as you said how can you trust the information aggregated unless you vet it yourself
PeterL: gives you a place to start though
PeterL: and I also don't see why they need 850k to make said system?
PeterL: somebody wants to "invest in bitcoin companies", but has more money than sense?
thestringpuller: its a trend that's gone the way of the sitcom by now it seems
PeterL: they probably won't even think to include GribbleWot and AssWoT in their agregator
thestringpuller: "I have great idea". Next "YCombinator-it". Raise seed funding. Run out of money. Ask mommy daddy for more. Rinse repeat.
PeterL: they end up with no money, where did it all go? who is winning from this chumpatron?
thestringpuller: you could probably abstract the IRC part of asswot with a stand alone client
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> no css << to quote myself, you're thinking actual dollars, someone saved. these however are not that, they're fictitious dollars yellen printed.
mike_c: oh my. everything being tracked in that product shot is from web wallets.
mircea_popescu: <PeterL> not saying I trust them, but the idea has merit << the idea has merit in your eyes on the unwarranted assumption that it is being implementred by people in the wot.
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> not in any sense comparable. < doesnt matter as long as someone else doesnt care
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller> it's not a true reputation system just and aggregator << actually, it's a repackaging of an ancient idea in the words du jour. tucker max also made a "itsuptoyou" website that was essentially... yet another (meanwhile failed) blog.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla so then don't care and it won't matter ? :)
PeterL: well, yes, it only works if done right. (kinda goes without saying)
mircea_popescu: PeterL but the thing is you're not saying and they're not working :)
mircea_popescu: anyway, it needs 850k so people can be paying rents, mortgages and college debt in california.
thestringpuller: you have "good idea" that really is bad but seems "interesting" so get paid to live while working on it
mircea_popescu: nah. you get paid so you can spend a little of your own money ON TOP.
PeterL: although, I don't see how it could make any money?
mircea_popescu: PeterL but it making money is not the point. the idea isn't for -god forbid- some inept cocklets ending up with control of the means of production./
mircea_popescu: the idea is to keep the battery chickens distracted, and their attention firmly focused on the state.
thestringpuller: the interesting phenomenon of the homeless entrepreneur in the bay area. more each year.
mircea_popescu: control of capital and control of relationships. that's exactly why we're about bitcoin and about the wot.
thestringpuller: so given SF's economy is pretty much ponzi (floating on start up money) does the entire place become oakland 2.0 when it all falls apart?
mircea_popescu: PeterL you have to understand, 99% of the circulating material is just that. they get fed hay, they shit it out, it goes on the pasture, which makes more hay. the people live off the wool produced, which is a side effect.
PeterL: thestringpuller: maybe it would be worse?
mircea_popescu: the homeostasis is otherwise build out of circulating materials that get endlessly recyucled.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it can't become oakland, because these are whiny white nerds.
mircea_popescu: they have no fundamental culture, like black dudes do have. they don't even know how to like without facebook.
PeterL: maybe Oakland takes over SF and kicks out (or enslaves) the whiney white guys?
mircea_popescu: well... everyone seen trainspotting ? that's where it's headed. those kids.
mircea_popescu: dead babies who died of being hungry for a month while nobody noticed.
PeterL: BingoBoingo: Half a yard from the end zone and Captain Nigger tosses an interception. Bullshit ending to the game. << I liked the end, and I thought the play could have worked, both players had their hands on the ball, defensive guy just wanted it more
PeterL: BingoBoingo:Indeed. Would have been nice to see Seattle win on the ground and close the book on the Air Assault era that ushered in << Ground game worked for MSU in the Cotton Bowl, overcame Baylor setting air records.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla by the way, if you feel like spending a year doing it, i'm pretty sure many/most ba projects COULD be shopped for bay area investment.
mircea_popescu: you'll have to go there, and you'll have to meet people. i'll back you, if you want to do it.
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mircea_popescu: lol qntra ended up with some buyside out of the deal too.
mircea_popescu: someone tell mr moneybags there aren't even half that many shares in circulation lolz.
mircea_popescu: his white pill did more for the red pill than any blue pillers wish to admit.
mircea_popescu: to quote hanbot, "you know had i not met you i don't think i ever would have realized how well anthropology and sadism go together."
PeterL: "The Nuclear Sciences Division within the Energy and Environment Directorate is seeking a Senior Plutonium Chemist. The candidate must have research experience and expertise in chemistry and processing of macro quantities of plutonium." << Too bad this doesn't fit my background ...
mircea_popescu: word around the terrorist campfire is, the usg is really running short on talent.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tradecraft, he lives in places 3 months at a time
mircea_popescu: what would any disease want more than for the host to claim it's perfctly healthy ?
PeterL: That was me the past couple days: I'm fine, I'm fine, I'll get better, I'm hacking up gobs of bloody phlegm I guess I'll go to the doctor
mircea_popescu: mats: this is gonna be good <<< it's pretty threatening, shell has really no interest to refine further, at least for the next three months.
mircea_popescu: most toothless stoppage ever, but it does take a bite out of obama.
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mircea_popescu: "The anti-fork crowd mostly consists of a small minority of ego-maniacal, 1% wannabees who want to keep Bitcoin as a niche market for elitist whales because it suits their vested interests. "
jurov: thestringpuller calm down, just some niggers
thestringpuller: "That's our word jurov you have no business using it!" lol (family guy reference)
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ben_vulpes: re grape market << what are the best plants to farm for turning solar energy into sugar?
ben_vulpes: and none of these fancy "wine" thingies - that's an opaque and stupid market to sell into full of branding and other crap.
trinque: oooh! now there's a timeless business
ben_vulpes: etoh, baby. something i put in a furnace and get real fuckin hot.
ben_vulpes: something i can douse gunshot wounds in.
punkman: you can distill grapes, plus they are useful for other things
kakobrekla: then you will want to do schnapps (plums) or whiskey/bourbon
jurov: depends on climate, most fruits would do
trinque: plums can handle the pacific nw
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the_scourge: trinque: also gravenstein apples are VERY adept in the pacific NW all the way up to cape scott
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trinque: kakobrekla: used that one in high school :)
trinque: heh no, but many a quake match
PeterL: thestringpuller:isn't moonshining rather dangerous << If you know what you are doing and have the right safety measures in place it is not really dangerous
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coderwill: trinque: ah, a fellow quake player - nice to meet you :bows:
trinque: coderwill: shamefully it has been years
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coderwill: trinque: but years ago, i must admit that i played so much that my eyes would tear as if i were crying or something
coderwill: trinque: was all in to clans, etc. hehe
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BingoBoingo: * ben_vulpes wants to own an alcohol farm << Rye, prolly cheaper to just buy by the ton
trinque: thestringpuller: seems the precedent being established is "if you're in bitcoin, you may not defend yourself in court"
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: but what about when it *can't* be bought?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Make friends? Have farm, build storage for bought rye and use your land for cash crops.
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jurov: announce: qntra shares credited to coinbr users who requested it
TomServo: Well thank goodness for that. Someone might've taken it seriously otherwise.
jurov: "Another example is that some CEOs fear to attack known scams in public because..." lol so they will attack them privately?
danielpbarron: they put all the people who are banned from bitcoin in one convenient list
jurov: they won't resist parading and making press statements... can qntra send anyone?
thestringpuller: mod6: dat feeling hearing Jeezy's verse on the Hustlin' remix
BingoBoingo: <jurov> they won't resist parading and making press statements... can qntra send anyone? << Maybe we'll get invites next time?
assbot: Judge Forrest on defense's proposed /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash expert: "The court has no idea what Mr. Antonopoulos' qualifications are." /hashtag/SilkRoadTrial?src=hash
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> and none of these fancy "wine" thingies << corn.
mircea_popescu: "Changing the fees to be higher for Bitcoin, is going against what people like to say are some of the best things about Bitcoin, it's like changing what Bitcoin is."
mircea_popescu: jurov they pay qntra to attend. once they actually get some money together and can afford being in the actual press.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course, I'm highlighting the "meta-wrong"
BingoBoingo: However long Obama's USSA persists they will imagine such things
mircea_popescu: well actually, that's nothing. i await with eagerness to see what the next democrat is going to promise.
trinque: that's the motherload right there
trinque: hell everyone should make 50k/yr
trinque: why don't they just come harvest blood from me directly
trinque: asciilifeform: the "right to happiness"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 286200 @ 0.00037014 = 105.9341 BTC [-] {3}
thestringpuller: "It's called Moronitor because it tracks users who repeatedly use the same address." << re: Bonafide
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> not like it costs so much more to print the word 'trillion' on bill << We might have to run that past nubbins'
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller speaking of the bona fide, i got some pics earlier
mircea_popescu: "dude, you don't get to escalate me. go use the proper venues the proper way or shove it."
assbot: Judge Forrest on defense's proposed /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash expert: "The court has no idea what Mr. Antonopoulos' qualifications are." /hashtag/SilkRoadTrial?src=hash
trinque: mircea_popescu: re: earlier rant about linux permissions, -w does not in fact mean -w if you're root
trinque: fucking madness, bronze-age punishments for lying please
mircea_popescu: "BUT YOU ARE SECURING TRANSACTIONS WORTH SOMETHING LIKE 2,000 TIMES MORE VALUABLE THAN TODAY'S TRANSACTIONS" << check out allcaps usgavin thinking bitcoi nin terms of "usd value"
mircea_popescu: that peter r shill is back in there with his nonsensical golfclub "statistics",
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: Undeadopolus still looking for brainz to munch on...
mircea_popescu: it's been killed in teh logs, but obviously shills don't read.
mircea_popescu: (MP standing for Mircea Popescu.. - dam he must be so thrilled having the 'basic' bitcoin renamed after him XD) << no, actually, i'd rather it just be called bitcoin. which is what it is.
mircea_popescu: saying no to idiots is hardly enough merit to rename things, we'll end up with weekly renamings if this is how things work.
mircea_popescu: "Also, I used to read their logs on IRC, and there was a guy called 'pankkake' (also in btctalk) who seems to have vanished. I think its because they disagreed regarding the fork thing, so if anyone could share the light on his views, that'd be interesting too since I used to value his thoughts." <<< wasn't that over the systemd fork of linux !?
TomServo: That was my impression. Almost certain is was pre-fork talk also.
mircea_popescu: "I'd suggest you go research existing high-value-payment networks and see what typical fees are for multi-million dollar transactions. FEDWIRE is running at 6 transactions per second, average transaction value over $6million, with fees per transaction UNDER ONE DOLLAR.
mircea_popescu: Why? Because if you are giving somebody one million dollars for something, you almost certainly have built up real-world trust, and probably have a longstanding relationship, signed contracts, etc etc."
mircea_popescu: basically, one less explored point of usgavin's interest with the fork is to cripple the politically revolutionary side of bitcoin. obviously if bitcoin can't be bitcoin then the replacement of plain contracts with gpg-contracts will at least be hindered.
mircea_popescu: as if that's how the world works, old men get what they want for wanting it.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: It isn't that they won. It was how they won. Fucking worthless ending spoiled all of the fun that came before... except for the gold 30 foot tall mechanical tiger.
thestringpuller: Srsly tho. Up until Halftime the game was neck and neck. Two evenly matched teams.
danielpbarron: i just noticed, the foundation's bitcoind still uses irc?
thestringpuller: I missed the "exciting part" as I drove home. No radio station was giving highlights.
BingoBoingo: The problem was Seattle decided to play with their food in order to burn the clock. Like the villain taunting instead of driving the knife deeper.
punkman: bitcoin RI compiled without errors on linux mint btw
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2266 @ 0.00096989 = 2.1978 BTC [-]
punkman: anyone wanna give me a node IP I can connect to for testing?
TomServo: danielpbarron: as I understand, with upnp being clipped IRC was the remaining node discovery mechanism
TomServo: Someeone please correct me if I'm mistaken.
danielpbarron: acutally i'm not at "full" at the moment; playing a little catchup from the last crash
mircea_popescu: "Or would you prefer to introduce sliding scale fee structure (higher tx amount - higher fee)?"
mircea_popescu: the one thing poor people will NOT give up except with their life is "you got money gimme"
mircea_popescu: how about all txn under 1 BTC are excised 99 bitcents fee because fuck you, go be poor in massachussetts ?
mircea_popescu: and all txn over 1k are free because fuck you that side doo.
mircea_popescu: "one of the unique and beneficial attributes of btc is you can send someone a 50 cent tip or a million dollars for almost nothing in transaction fees
mircea_popescu: i think it would be a big mistake to put higher fees on higher tx amounts and i would vote against it ,raise the block size if necessary and prune the blockchain is a better idea imo
mircea_popescu: everyone doesnt need the last 6-7 years of history ,there must be some way to let new users download the most recent portion without the previous 6 years or just the headers instead of every entire block etc
mircea_popescu: its already a 33GB download ,imagine that increasing exponentially ,nobodys going to download it all when it exceeds 100GB but i suppose we could all use "lite wallets " etc but that would also weaken the network if most people were using multibit etc"
BingoBoingo: The "nobody will buy a hard drive" people are the worst. The problem isn't the hard drive.
punkman: asciilifeform: the dnsseed-snip is for the portatronic branch right?
danielpbarron: yeah that's the hang up; i'm about to reformat my laptop
trinque: danielpbarron: where you headed? openbsd?
mircea_popescu: punkman: you can distill grapes, plus they are useful for other things << great anal beads
trinque: gentoo's fucked imo; everything depends on everything. I look at it the wrong way and suddenly I've got avahi-daemon or some other madness installed
trinque: they moved a bunch of useflags into their own vars too, I noticed. because that was necessary
trinque: danielpbarron: mint is based on ubuntu isn't it?
trinque: asciilifeform: sure, I'm hacking back the kudzu with use flags
trinque: would rather they were all off to start
trinque: think I'm down to 115 or so packages in world
BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> someone said mint worked, maybe i'll try that << Systemd free, but... better venue for introducing microsoft refugees to not MS. Not really next step to get better at *nix
mircea_popescu: PeterL: If you know what you are doing << most of rural transylvania still makes its own moonshine. most still operators spend the three days it takes entirely drunk.
cazalla: did they solve global warming or something? it's summer yet this is day 4 of putting the heating on each morning
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Oh people are now ripping off MP's conference format << lmao buncha wanna-bes. what fucking elite ?
mircea_popescu: they're just being inclusive to all climates while working with technology to resolve the problems of the future.
BingoBoingo: It's the middle of winter and I fetched mail jacketless without feeling a chill. Scam weather.
mircea_popescu: "Organized by Bruce Fenton of the Bitcoin Association and Atlantic Financial, participants in the first annual Satoshi Roundtable include top executives from companies such as Blockchain, BitGo, BitPesa, Chain, ChangeTip, Coinapult and MegaBigPower, as well as noted VCs in the space such as Erik Voorhees and Roger Ver."
mircea_popescu: yo fenton, miss tits what's her name didn't manage, and she had the tits. this is not how you do it, seriously, pretending like you matter works in whoredom, not in finance.
mircea_popescu: i know they told you there's no difference. they lied.
cazalla: fenton is a baller, he changedtipped me $2
cazalla: should prob write up an article that fenton tips racist, women hating men
mircea_popescu: jurov: "Another example is that some CEOs fear to attack known scams in public because..." lol so they will attack them privately? << they have a serious strategic problem : employees are normally decent, intelligent human beings they're raping.
mircea_popescu: then those people want to express their outrage. sometimes they do. then they get letters from the idiot "management" about how THIS IS NOT OUR CORPORATE CULTURE
mircea_popescu: which is true, it isn't. the us is built on a corporate culture of empty pretense and outright fraud. course they tend to stick together.
mircea_popescu: then those people lose morale and start coming to me with the stories, which hurts "everyone", which is to say : the scammers ; their friends.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: some CEO's don't always rape their employees
mircea_popescu: im sure some rubber chicken on a beach will solve all this!
thestringpuller: kinda like Michael Scott from the Office just not as dimwitted.
cazalla: anyway, this elite retreat was announced weeks ago, clearly it didn't get much traction so they called up coindesk to promote it
mircea_popescu: there's a pretty fucking bad film about three stooges that conspire to kill their bosses.
mircea_popescu: the film's unwatchable except for a kevin spacey monologue
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: i'd go if they didn't still lynch negroes << who does ?!
mircea_popescu: heh. so bring a girl, and go "don't lynch me, take her instead" then run.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Bring Marshawn Lynch, and Lynch them back
mircea_popescu: show up with a blue one then, mess with everyone's head.
mircea_popescu: just exactly what do you think this lynching business is :D
mircea_popescu: assbot: Exploiting the Robocaller Gap - Global Guerrillas << speaking of this ben_vulpes, how about a site where people can get bitcoin for reading messages on the screen, then autodial them into say 5k different emergency zones across the us.
mircea_popescu: stress test the system, as it were. see what happens when there's i dunno, 500k pps ddos, but not from wordpress to me.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: one of my ancestors was lynched in mississipi so the family isn't a lynch virgin
mircea_popescu: how do you feel about that ? i got a few ancestors that were killed by teh turks and teh russians.
thestringpuller: well given my family is on exponential curve in wealth (only a generation ago we were in the projects), i'd say the karma is coming back around
mircea_popescu: heh. most everyone in romania was in teh projects coupla decades ago
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: how were they killed by the turks and russians?
thestringpuller: ah yea. i remember coming accross that pic on trilema (random page of the front page thing)
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller well, romania as a sovereign nation was mostly constructed around this event where the czar declared war on the turks on the fumes of imagining himself like the germans, and buying the british propaganda about the "dead man of europe". the turks were the origina lrhodesia.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72800 @ 0.00037173 = 27.0619 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anyway, the turks mowed them down, and so the commanding officer sent the romanian kind a "plz save us telegram'. so the romanian army moved in, beat back the turks, took some impossible redoubts, lost like a third of the men and that was that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00037392 = 5.9079 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: then later in ww2, romanian army went all the way to stalingrad, raping and pillaging with the germans, then got beaten back, went over to like, prague, and then after the war there was all that "sociailism" thingee/
thestringpuller: yea about same time great great great g-pa was lynched and thrown into swamp
mircea_popescu: (one of the rare cases when a romanian was supreme commander of the russian troops in any war theater)
thestringpuller: brb gonna read up on this. mircea_popescu always educatin mah simple mind
mircea_popescu: there was also a case in ww1 when the romanian general was put in command of all the german units and so on.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105500 @ 0.00037664 = 39.7355 BTC [+] {3}
trinque: poor felipelalli, so much IP in da logs
the_scourge: sorry i didn't realize that was actually echoing
felipelalli: trinque: thank you! :) Internet in Brazil is not easy. I am installing a new one, it arrives 14 Feb.
PeterL: you are replacing the internet?
mircea_popescu: i know i want a new internet too. who knew dilma got it
trinque: felipelalli: if you beg the gods in #freenode they'll cloak you
the_scourge: do you have to prove need now? needs-based systems are a sign of the apocalypse :)
the_scourge: mircea_popescu: that's the opposite of how sex works
mircea_popescu: so "i have all this love to give" vs "i need to get laid" ?
the_scourge: sex is 100% merit. it's the one thing that can't be made needs-based even temporarily
the_scourge: um "i need to get laid" doesn't mean fuck all
mircea_popescu: if sex were merit based how do you explain masturbation ?
trinque goes to tell the welfare queens and trailer whores what sex is
the_scourge: you could try asking your local cultural equality office of liberty to see if they can make it needs based.... get some equalisation fucks for the really needy
the_scourge: unless romania is doing better on the equalisation front than.... everywhere else
PeterL: asciilifeform: are we supposed to be suprised by the result?
PeterL: any idea when these were last updated?
the_scourge: asciilifeform: do you always name your filehandles like that, or only in python
PeterL: having hardcoded seeds is, in my opnion, a silly way of doing things
trinque: eat and shit are entirely appropriate names there
the_scourge: btw any chance that the first HLL cpu will support python? i know that's heresy but the library support is better than lispscheme
felipelalli: now I am cloaked. Thanks trinque for the tip.
trinque: felipelalli: no problem; looks good over here
PeterL: asciilifeform: could you have a separate seed config file?
the_scourge: cool so neither needs based nor merit. simple universal. to thsoe who ask. fn is democracy :)
the_scourge: asciilifeform: you're the one coding in python
trinque wishes he could watch asciilifeform slap the_scourge in person
mircea_popescu: giving voice to anyone that asks has its disadvantages.
PeterL: asciilifeform: PeterL: the phoundation's git does not appear to have the hardcoded seeds any longer. when they were thrown out? no idea << did you figure out what they were replaced with?
mircea_popescu: if the king can pay nobles for their service in "heraldics" he will do so. and issue and issue and issue until there's more crowns than the estucheon can hold.
jurov: BingoBoingo: "bezzel economy" -> "bezzle economy"
jurov: i was asking about linking to definition too, but
jurov: ;;google bezzle economy
jurov: it shown me trilema immediately after that
PeterL: How about putting seeds in a separate file (Foundation can host a copy that is updated periodically), and add user settable options for whether to download the updated file on program start and from where?
PeterL: and mechanism for updating it?
mircea_popescu: sure, that';s the general idea, have all the magic strings in a file somewhere.
mike_c: PeterL: this mechanism already exists. bitcoin-seeder
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mircea_popescu: this, in particular, is a good discussion of macroeconomics, something you rarely see in english
mircea_popescu: mike_c a mechanism made by someone not in wot doesn't really exist.
mike_c: heh, so people are going to download this file by IP address?
mircea_popescu: ip addresses seems to be the manner to connect via tcp/ip neh ?
mike_c: neh! i like names. but i get it.
mircea_popescu: i gotta find this quote of myself, not enough self fellatio today.
mircea_popescu: "In general I have found so far that the best results in computer security are achieved not by those who are most competent at securing a system, but by those who are backed by management most inclined to simplify their task. "
mike_c: i'm going to get this node list into my mini-node how?
mike_c: this actually begs the question, how the hell is this thing finding any nodes right now? brb. code grep.
mike_c: unsigned int pnSeed[] =
mike_c: 0x959bd347, 0xf8de42b2, 0x73bc0518, 0xea6edc50, 0x21b00a4d, 0xc725b43d, 0xd665464d, 0x1a2a770e,
trinque: the language needs to be patched such that wisdom and simplicity are more closely connected
mike_c: hence ascii's list of "only 6 of these are still alive"
mike_c: well, this is clearly best solution :D
PeterL: we plan to rip out irc?
mircea_popescu: irc should probably stay because a) it doesn't actualy do anything atm and b) it will be an easy upgrade to gossipd
mircea_popescu: which will make bitcoin full nodes a much saner thing altogether.
mircea_popescu: and remove a lot of dumbass pressure off the blockchain. ("want to talk to people ? talk through the node process not through the tx process)
mircea_popescu: and speaking of how's it going yo trinque ! what happened there ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought the node's own memory was the primary bootstrap ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11809 @ 0.00038814 = 4.5835 BTC [+]
trinque: mircea_popescu: with deedbot? got hit with a bunch of irl work
mircea_popescu: trinque ok, but it was nearly done like a week ago too ?
PeterL: could you add an option to input an ip address for seed? so start it by typing "bitcoin --seed my.fri.ends.ip"
mike_c: hopefully addnode didn't get nixed
PeterL: oh, ok, nevermind then
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe this seed-from-file mod is more stringently needed than i thought ? mod6 ? ben_vulpes ?
mike_c: it already seeds from file (bitcoin.conf), just need to fill the file.
trinque: mircea_popescu: granted. plenty of fires since then, which are out
mircea_popescu: trinque so what's almost done ? this week ? tomorrow ?
mike_c: this is an odd time warp, where my knowledge is not outdated, but actually is too far in the future. it's weird :)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing quite like a camel with dolphin skin.
punkman: with -connect=ADDRESS it doesn't use built-in seeds
BingoBoingo: -addnode offers multiple potential ips to add
mircea_popescu: punkman asciilifeform yeah that's more intended for proxy chaining them iirc
punkman: you can do multiple -connect
trinque: mircea_popescu: my evening is free to hack on it; the "keep it running" part got a lot of attention, which may have expanded scope past "a few scripts"
mike_c: asciilifeform: BOOST_FOREACH(string strAddr, mapMultiArgs["-addnode"])
mike_c: ^ seems evidence it takes more than one?
BingoBoingo: punkman: No you get one -connect, -connect is exclusive. -addnode populates address list
trinque: mircea_popescu: each part of it runs separately, different user, in a different linux container, etc
trinque: if one part shouldn't talk to another, it doesn't
mircea_popescu: "Show your face. Those who know what you look like can verify that it's actually you, and not a sockpuppet trolling us all."
mircea_popescu: dude these fucktards. LEARN PGP!!1eleventyfivethousand cocks in your mother's dumb mouth.
punkman: "BOOST_FOREACH(string strAddr, mapMultiArgs["-connect"])"
punkman: so no need for irc or built-in, just have them in the bitcoin.conf
mike_c: yes, well, still makes plug-n-play nodebox more difficult.
punkman: maybe have a list of dnsseeds with signed node lists baked in the source
mike_c: I guess not. just step N is download list of nodes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57800 @ 0.00038863 = 22.4628 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> assbot: Exploiting the Robocaller Gap - Global Guerrillas << speaking of this ben_vulpes, how about a site where people can get bitcoin for reading messages on the screen, then autodial them into say 5k different emergency zones across the us. << sounds great
mircea_popescu: in the words of one of the numerous us generals remembered for losing a war, "the unknowns that we know about, we name terrorism. the unknowns we don't know about, we predend don't exist. that and the state department is how we spend a trillion for the priviledge of spending another trillion."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96100 @ 0.00038935 = 37.4165 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: twould also be interesting to see the same test against the modern codebase
mircea_popescu: "Of course many ISPs block out outgoing 8333 by default . Why do you think we see all these threads where people complain that they are getting only 8 incoming connections on their bitcoin QT wallet? Why do we average less than 7k nodes worldwide at any given time?"
mircea_popescu: "I've noticed certain repeating characteristic in the writing of many members of this forum: they construct grammatically correct sentences but absolutely disregard the underlying semantics: incoming vs. outgoing, local vs. remote, source vs. destination, etc. Here in regards to TCP/IP ports, but I observed that in regards to pretty much any technical issue."
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it was highlighted by intel about two weeks ago, and we're generally tracing it to philippines "top quality" content farms working for a number of (mostly ct and wash based) pr firms.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: wasn't goping to say anything, but since it's public now..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42000 @ 0.00038569 = 16.199 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: in any case, the pogo plugs will be quite welcome. the network's been suffering for a long time,
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> like the ents or something. << Where did all of the nodewives go?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> Tech Email:domainadmin@fdvt.com << lol! << See someone got the Fenton lulz
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know that's just a general support email, and the connection between fenton and fdvt is about the same as between reddit feminist incel and starbucks
mircea_popescu: topdollar.commegawealth.commutualfundcenter.com atlanticfinancial.comcapitalgain.com etc.
mircea_popescu: Fleetwood Digital Video Technology Corp is not like... haliburton or something.
mircea_popescu: it's a smallish business, think in terms of roger ver's used laptops shop
mircea_popescu: eh get out. i control so many I don't know all of em by name
mircea_popescu: basically they're one of the what, 100k or so small tech-ish corps that live off the usg dole.
mircea_popescu: not exactly unconnected, for sure, but never invited to a fundraiser either, unless it's for the state capitol and they couldn't fill the seats.
mircea_popescu: "Cabletica, ICE, Kolbi, Claro, Moviestar all need to be called and asked to open this port." << at least the last two are cheap mobile providers in argentina.
mircea_popescu: stop reading that thing you'll give yourself earbleeds.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110250 @ 0.00036889 = 40.6701 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: if i find out there's some fucktarded 50something collegiate "professor" setting up the idiot chickies in her class to doing this...
PeterL: "inform the master he or she can" << really, it should be "inform the master or mistress he or she can", right?
mircea_popescu: someting awful. this old comedy board that for a while was the core of radical libertardism in the us.
PeterL: actually, they should remove all references to "master", because it makes us thing about slavery, so bad, mkay?
mircea_popescu: anyway, it'll be hard to do away with master seeing how that's what i am. best do away with husband, replace with cuckold ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu thanks for the notes on that last article
pete_dushenski: jooz and stereotypes: i cleaned up the log quotes and took another hack at the romanian
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pete_dushenski: lulzy 13-5 results thus far in favour of block size, including my vote for nein!
mircea_popescu: yeah, website polls is how moot ended up time man of the century
mircea_popescu: hey davout check it out, germanz think teh frenchies are einen.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform that hofstadter fellow has a decent little sense of humour
pete_dushenski: It's quite obvious, for instance, that the chairwhite of the League of Black Voters is going to be a black, not a white. Nobody need think twice about it