smickles: < kakobrekla> this is wrong isnt it <<< i'm pretty sure it's not
Chaaaang-Noi: yeah, sadly i now have a data plan and pay monthly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00038106 = 0.8764 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48731 @ 0.00037668 = 18.356 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57900 @ 0.00037356 = 21.6291 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65213 @ 0.00036471 = 23.7838 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5856 @ 0.00036172 = 2.1182 BTC [-]
smickles: kakobrekla: what was wrong about it (i guess i was only looking at the %
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 889 @ 0.00111789 = 0.9938 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6701 @ 0.00111949 = 7.5017 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 10010 @ 0.00112057 = 11.2169 BTC [+]
usagi: Oh bloody hell. Looks like I've been Shanghai'd
Chaaaang-Noi: thats what you get for being drunk in the north eastern part of the usa
Chaaaang-Noi: why did you trust him and mathew in the firstplace?
Chaaaang-Noi: yeah once i found out kludge was working with him i sold off bdk hard hard hard, i had 80% of it at one point
mircea_popescu: but seriously guyse, apart from patrickharnett's, what other serious banks are out there ?
usagi: Given how much customer money I have under management, my fund will eat the loss on behalf of my customers
usagi: They won't notice the loss.
usagi: .C will keep getting 8%+ a week until pirate crashes and that will be that
Chaaaang-Noi: pirate is saving a whole lot of peoples asses right now:)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35553 @ 0.00038108 = 13.5485 BTC [+]
usagi: Well Nyancat Financial is a bank, Mircea
usagi: I can't sleep Diablo
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 is busy taking over mining world i gather :D
usagi: I had to fly to Shanghai really quick.
usagi: Mircea; Website will be up and running soon
Diablo-D3: usagi: btw, I think I'm going to revise the trade deal tommorow
mircea_popescu: if anyone knows of bond issuers that are neither pirate nor mining exposed, and owned by really well known supertrustworthy people i wanna hear.
usagi: A three tiered CD?
teek: two of my bonds are not pirate or mining exposed
usagi: TEEK.A is fully guaranteed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00036438 = 1.5304 BTC [-]
teek: mircea_popescu: something like that.. seems the interest is too low, everyone wants pirate rates
usagi: It's the same with nyan, everyone buys .c, NO ONE buys .a or even .b
usagi: And if I close sales... the price shoots up, and no one buys a or b
mircea_popescu: the ideea here is that im tranching 500 btc of mpoe bonds (yielding ~5% per month) + 500 btc of harnett's (yielding 1% per week).
mircea_popescu: i can't paste that with stuff doing 0.3% per week, even tho i understand that 15% pa is significant.
Luceo: mircea_popescu: If you offer 15% outside bitcoin they'd call it a HYIP :P
Luceo: in Bitcoin its too low :D
mircea_popescu: i fully understand this, and it's ap roblem, but it can't be resolved overnight.
mircea_popescu: there must be a popped ponzi first for people to learn.
Luceo: People still wont learn :/
usagi: I can't access google docs in China
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 15 @ 1.02 = 15.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 10 @ 0.125 = 1.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 5 @ 1 = 5 BTC [+]
teek: mircea_popescu: i just read the wiki on tranching but am a little fuzzy.. can you explain how it works here?
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 9 @ 0.04999999 = 0.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 1.12 = 2.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 2 @ 0.14040001 = 0.2808 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 71 @ 0.1404 = 9.9684 BTC [-]
usagi: bidwall is up on nyan.a if anyone wants out
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.13 = 1.3 BTC [+]
usagi: ASICMINER going to .5 :p
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00037287 = 5.2575 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: im afraid this is going to be a pump and dump
usagi: I will certainly sell at .5
usagi: Maybe a little at .3
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 5 @ 1.0001 = 5.0005 BTC [-]
usagi: The reason why is because each price point represents a new wave of investors after the old wave has covered their risk
usagi: The next wave will take it to .3 when it sinks into the market that ASICMINER is real
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 7 @ 1.0001 = 7.0007 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 23 @ 1 = 23 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 93 @ 0.1047 = 9.7371 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 7 @ 0.1048 = 0.7336 BTC [+]
usagi: Then greedy people will rush in and the original investors will sell at .5
usagi: Then it will go back to .3 then up to .8 again, but that might not happen for over a year
usagi: Just technical analysis price points
DeaDTerra: Selling ASICMINER shares :) Pm me if you are interested!
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 50 @ 1 = 50 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.999 = 2.997 BTC [-]
teek: mircea_popescu: i think i get it, thanks for the info.. so out of curiosity why would mixing something at .3% and something at 1% not be desirable?
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 17 @ 0.987 = 16.779 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.986 = 2.958 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 76 @ 0.98501 = 74.8608 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.985 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: teek you either mix things of the same risk and varying rewards to arbitrage reward
mircea_popescu: or things of the same reward and varying risks to arbitrage risk
mircea_popescu: my ideea is that nobody currently has an inkling as to risk measurements in btc world
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46372 @ 0.00037287 = 17.2907 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 22 @ 0.04999999 = 1.1 BTC [+]
teek: mircea_popescu, still a little confused.. so in this case harnett would be the senior tranche thus offering the least reward, then mpoe, then you need some others in there or?
mircea_popescu: if you wait a few minutes i'll show you the actual contract.
teek: sure, now i just want to understand it :)
gribble: Best bid: 12.32479, Best ask: 12.3248, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 12.32479, 24 hour volume: 47868, 24 hour low: 11.7555, 24 hour high: 12.34
teek: cmon btc! daddy needs a new set of gpus!
Chaaaang-Noi: want me to send you a second box full of 21 gpus? :)
DeaDTerra: What has pirate changed his rates to?
DeaDTerra: and is there a official announcement yet?
teek: naw i think im good for now :P
teek: DeaDTerra, 5% top tier
DeaDTerra: I just got started with all of this :P
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 790 @ 0.00112057 = 0.8853 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 9410 @ 0.00112095 = 10.5481 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 2 @ 0.04999999 = 0.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 23 @ 0.04999999 = 1.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 27 @ 0.05 = 1.35 BTC [+]
teek: yeah yeah mr top tier
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 4 @ 0.05 = 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106 @ 0.00038108 = 0.0404 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23390 @ 0.00038129 = 8.9184 BTC [+]
Chaaaang-Noi: its not hard to get 4.8 or 4.9% with a bit of trust :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [JTME] 1 @ 0.9 BTC [-]
usagi: I hope your not copying Nyancat Financial :P)
usagi: It's weird. Every time I list a new security, 2 or 3 pop up just like it
mircea_popescu: see the link i sent to teek above, it's from april lol
DeaDTerra: I get 5% :) and I got 7% before, though I was not heavily invested into Pirate, but I am convinced now.
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-PI] 1 @ 1.539 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 14 @ 1 = 14 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 19 @ 0.05 = 0.95 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 2 @ 1.048 = 2.096 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 2 @ 0.98 = 1.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 3 @ 0.98 = 2.94 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PPT.DIV] 1 @ 0.575 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 43 @ 1.51 = 64.93 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: Did pirate pay this weekends interest fully (7%)
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 9 @ 1 = 9 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 1 @ 1.048 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 6 @ 1.049 = 6.294 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 10 @ 1.0499 = 10.499 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 8 @ 1.05 = 8.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 4 @ 1.0699 = 4.2796 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 16 @ 1.07 = 17.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.986 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 12 @ 0.985 = 11.82 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 8 @ 0.98135 = 7.8508 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.9803 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.9803 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 16 @ 0.9802 = 15.6832 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 15 @ 0.9801 = 14.7015 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 49 @ 0.98 = 48.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.98 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 29 @ 0.9702 = 28.1358 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9701 = 3.8804 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 89 @ 0.97 = 86.33 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 73 @ 0.97 = 70.81 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 58 @ 0.99 = 57.42 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 83 @ 1.452 = 120.516 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: I was going to get some cheak Pirate bonds :(
teek: duffel bags full of cash of course
DeaDTerra: Several different aspects, Pirate showing that he's the manipulator, showing screenshots of him manipulating the market as well as doing it live.
DeaDTerra: Showing up in person, which matches a previous picture of him.
DeaDTerra: talking to the people that meet him.
DeaDTerra: the actions of the people that meet him
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 2 @ 1.082 = 2.164 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12799 @ 0.00038076 = 4.8733 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15140 @ 0.00037115 = 5.6192 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28061 @ 0.00036172 = 10.1502 BTC [-]
MoneyIsDebt: Is he lowering rates because the price is so high now, it's harder to move it?
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 2 @ 0.98 = 1.96 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: The Bitcoin market become larger in volume hence harder to controll, he needs more capital to make the same amount hence the profit per BTC is less, hence he needs to reduce the interest rate.
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2790 @ 0.00112095 = 3.1275 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 9993 @ 0.00112262 = 11.2183 BTC [+]
MoneyIsDebt: I guess that makes sense... If that's how he makes the money
DeaDTerra: Of course you never know, and I am not saying it's not a risk. It's high risk high reward game.
DeaDTerra: The matter is by no way proven, but it's leaning enough for me to invest a good % of my capital into pirate
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 8 @ 0.1046 = 0.8368 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.4011 = 0.8022 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 7 @ 0.401 = 2.807 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.400001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 6 @ 0.4000001 = 2.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 200 @ 0.4 = 80 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 8 @ 0.39051 = 3.1241 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.3905 = 0.781 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 50 @ 0.3905 = 19.525 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 108 @ 0.3902 = 42.1416 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-B] 47 @ 0.1 = 4.7 BTC [-]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while).
assbot: BITBOND [1@0.6BTC] paid: 0.16332995 BTC. Last price: 0.3902 BTC. Capital gain: -0.2098 BTC. Total: -0.04647005 BTC. (-7.7%)
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 8 @ 0.39 = 3.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 8 @ 0.3851 = 3.0808 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.22 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.22 = 1.98 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: Looking to buy Pirate bonds/assets for anyone that want out, and I am looking to sell ASICMINER shares :)
Ignatius-otc: Paying par on bonds or? How much are you selling asic shares for?
assbot: [GLBSE] [PPT.DIV] 3 @ 0.575 = 1.725 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: Paying par on bonds or? waht do you mean?
DeaDTerra: ASIC it depends on volume but pm me for a price ;)
assbot: [GLBSE] [JAH] 2 @ 0.159899 = 0.3198 BTC [+]
Ignatius-otc: The bonds are generally 1 btc each. Are you offering 1btc for such bonds or less?
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 2 @ 1.44100011 = 2.882 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 3 @ 1.42000011 = 4.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 31 @ 1.42 = 44.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 4 @ 1.42 = 5.68 BTC [-]
usagi: *** YARR: Dividend changed to 0.005/day until we get an announcement from pirate
DeaDTerra: depending if the Interest rates are already paid out and what the market looks like
assbot: [GLBSE] [M.ETF] 4 @ 0.15 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.104599 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 33 @ 0.12 = 3.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.112 = 1.12 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: alrighty so. ANNOUNCEMENT : introducing MPCD.A, .B and .C
DeaDTerra: Wow creative... I think I have heard about that before... something about a cat
usagi: Lol DT I know, like I said
DeaDTerra: Maybe a NyanCat? or maybe it wasn't a cat at all just Nyan. yea just Nyan
usagi: No one is saying they invented the CDO
usagi: Just seems strange 2 days after I explained NYAN to you, this comes out :p
usagi: Kind of like TYGRR.BOND-PI and yarr but hey
usagi: It's a big market, I'm not the only fast food restaurant
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 5000 @ 0.001 = 5 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C100T] 1 @ 0.25910304 BTC [+]
usagi: No one is saying they invented a CDO
eennaam: start a niche market with regular speed food restaurant , or hell even slow food
usagi: I'm just ribbing you mircea. But I doubt you will pay 15% like you said
usagi: Because it's too imbalanced
usagi: You're paying 2x the value of the highest known paying security
usagi: What kind of guarantee are you offering?
usagi: for the top trance?
usagi: It's too much pressure. You will have to limit sales.
usagi: Then the price will shoot up and investors will not realize 9%
BTCHero: aww all the asicminer is gone
usagi: Well sales are limited, right
usagi: I should probably do that too
usagi: Henceforth NYAN.C is limited to 3,000 outstanding
usagi: GET IT WHILE YOU CAN
kakobrekla: hm imho clean mpoe bonds is better deal than A or B
usagi: quick im logging in now to cancel the ask
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well possibly, depends on your risk profile et all.
kakobrekla: i dont see how A can have less risk than MPOE bond if its operated by you on the end
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.B] 80000 @ 0.001 = 80 BTC
mircea_popescu: well mpoe bond can either not kick in (if people offer lower interest)
mircea_popescu: or lese it could get hosed if people buy options and get lucky.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00038129 = 6.1388 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 12 @ 1 = 12 BTC [+]
brendio: MPOE bonds loose if MPOE makes a loss. For A to lose, one and possibly more of MPOE bonds, Patrick and NYAN would need to makes losses.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 56 @ 0.98 = 54.88 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: either mpoe or patrick would have to completely wipeout
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22110 @ 0.00038129 = 8.4303 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22390 @ 0.000383 = 8.5754 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: tbh i don't think there exists more secure anything than .A atm.
teek: mircea_popescu, the %'s for a,b,c are these arbitrary #'s you decide or is there some math behind them?
usagi: nyan.a is guaranteed by bitcoins held in an offline paper wallet.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 188 @ 0.003828 = 0.7197 BTC [-]
teek: usagi, this isn't really the same as nyan
usagi: there are three, chain-default tiers for which the interest paid is declared by fiat out of a pool, and not related to the underlying value of the funds?
usagi: Actually I think she mentioned there are 2 tiers
mircea_popescu: who's she ? and whether there's 2 or 18 is not really too important.
usagi: Well teek, didn't you actually invented the first CDO you know, teek.A and teek.B?
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 1 = 3 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ARS] 5 @ 0.009 = 0.045 BTC [-]
teek: i am honestly not sure, but teek.a and teek.b really have no relation other than name
teek: so if what mircea_popescu is doing is a cdo then no
kakobrekla: someone should make a cdo from all pirate insured offers
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 2 @ 0.99 = 1.98 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.94 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JTME] 1 @ 0.99899 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the only difference, teek, might be that in general cdos are based on fixed rate investments, which arguably mpoe bonds aren't, or at least eskimobob so argues.
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 40 @ 0.05 = 2 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.9999 = 2.9997 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: patrickharnett so i guess this has the side advantage to you that you know when you'll be asked to repay : 30th of october or thereabouts.
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.05 BTC [+]
patrickharnett: I didn't notice the 30'th date - wouldn't be a problem anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32810 @ 0.000383 = 12.5662 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18714 @ 0.00038423 = 7.1905 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 797 @ 0.00039267 = 0.313 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5615 @ 0.00039477 = 2.2166 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 1.1375 BTC [+]
smickles: ciuciu: you're really hung up on that, arn't you?
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.A] 120000 @ 0.001 = 120 BTC
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 1.0201 = 3.0603 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.9999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-PI] 1 @ 1.539 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 5 @ 1.02 = 5.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 10 @ 1.011 = 10.11 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <assbot> [GLBSE] [DMC] 4 @ 0.05 = 0.2 BTC [+] wait a second. didn;t that start at 1.0 !?
assbot: [GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 4 @ 0.0999 = 0.3996 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 3 @ 0.10274699 = 0.3082 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 5 @ 1.135 = 5.675 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: that's what I did, nice guy and very trustable
MoneyIsDebt: Mining bond. Pays daily, always at exact time. Skipped once only - today. But it was explained on the forum
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 1.13849 = 2.277 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: didn't kludge get burned a yet undisclosed ammt over the owens/zip/rebate fiasco recently ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 16 @ 0.05 = 0.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 1.125 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 1.08909 = 2.1782 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIPPT] 3 @ 1.13 = 3.39 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIPPT] 9 @ 1.195 = 10.755 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIPPT] 12 @ 1.2 = 14.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9901 = 3.9604 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 2 @ 0.99 = 1.98 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.99 = 3.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 12 @ 0.98 = 11.76 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 3 @ 0.861 = 2.583 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00037473 = 5.8083 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3278 @ 0.00036172 = 1.1857 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9469 @ 0.0003552 = 3.3634 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6453 @ 0.00034738 = 2.2416 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCS] 3 @ 0.00965 = 0.029 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCS] 47 @ 0.0095 = 0.4465 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.19999 = 4.9998 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21524 @ 0.00039477 = 8.497 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18114 @ 0.00039502 = 7.1554 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: I think a lot of us learnt from the whole JRO mess, At least I know that I learnt a lot.
DeaDTerra: I have actually added a couple of rules to my investment rules book ^^ to prevent it happening again
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 2 @ 1.39 = 2.78 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 38 @ 0.98 = 37.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9719 = 3.8876 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 18 @ 0.971 = 17.478 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JAH] 1 @ 0.159899 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [UDN] 1 @ 0.092 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 137 @ 0.00112262 = 0.1538 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2063 @ 0.00112821 = 2.3275 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.1028 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 1 @ 0.08999999 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: Anyone want to buy ASICMINER shares? ^^
assbot: [GLBSE] [JTME] 1 @ 0.99898 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P130T] 3 @ 0.20079244 = 0.6024 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P100N] 1 @ 0.16948855 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: Good night guys! if anyone want anything pm/email me and I will answer asap
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 17500 @ 0.001 = 17.5 BTC
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.9999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 1.08520001 = 4.3408 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 70 @ 1.08510001 = 75.957 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 10 @ 1.0851 = 10.851 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 1.08000001 = 2.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 100 @ 1.07 = 107 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 5 @ 1.0625 = 5.3125 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 1.050001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 1.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 1.05 = 3.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 1.01200011 = 3.036 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 7 @ 1.012 = 7.084 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 1 = 2 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: mk so i have 8 confirms, i click check deposit in glbse and nothing happens
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00038279 = 5.2442 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 10 @ 0.10455 = 1.0455 BTC [-]
Obsi: that happens sometimes
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.94 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 3 @ 0.945 = 2.835 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.95 BTC [+]
Obsi: if you click it incessantly until the deposit shows up it helps to make you feel productive
Obsi: not long usually 10 mins or so
Ignatius-otc: I haven't had it take longer than 6 confirms eprsonally.
Obsi: I've had it not show after 7-8 confirms, then show up on the next one after I clicked the check for deposit button
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 100000 @ 0.001 = 100 BTC
Obsi: wow, never had it go that far
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.99989999 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-PI] 1 @ 1.539 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.A] 100 @ 1 = 100 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 1 @ 1.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7186 @ 0.00039502 = 2.8386 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6214 @ 0.0003965 = 2.4639 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 27 @ 0.05 = 1.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.99989999 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.A] 5 @ 1 = 5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.1MHS] 21 @ 0.07654 = 1.6073 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 20 @ 0.10459 = 2.0918 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 21 @ 0.10274699 = 2.1577 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 17 @ 0.102747 = 1.7467 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGA.CONTRACT] 1 @ 0.167 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.10459 = 0.3138 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGA.CONTRACT] 3 @ 0.16789 = 0.5037 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 50 @ 0.99 = 49.5 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: smickles no, i just don't patronize places where idiots like gmaxwell are allowed to run wild.
Diablo-D3: thats at the new 15mh/share trade rate
PsychoticBoy: you are slowly killing your company Diablo + a lot of other GLBSE assets too, since your stupid asicminer swap
PsychoticBoy: ok 0.05 is not nothing but also not the 1 btc you started with
BTC-Mining: ah, Diablo keeps changing the rate at which he accepts shares
BTC-Mining: As usual, only considers hashing for trading, not BTC price
PsychoticBoy: I am sooooo sorry for the people who bought your share at 1 btc :(
usagi: Well look at BMF, we bought YABMC at 0.30 (or was it 0.40)
usagi: Mining bonds are inherrently a bad investment
usagi: Yeah pretty much mircea
PsychoticBoy: thats the market that killed yabmc, diablo is killing dmc
usagi: You can buy mining bonds at 0.1/mhash now, do you know why?
usagi: because of OBSI.1MHS.
usagi: Selling out at 0.1
PsychoticBoy: because everybody thinks asics are comes. MARK MY WORDS: NO asics before 2013
usagi: Now, step 2 beyond obsi, is asicminer
usagi: asicminer is selling mhash for less than 0.01/mhash
usagi: You can either capitalize on that or die
mircea_popescu: i think few people comprehend the intricacies of getting a foundry to do a run.
PsychoticBoy: asicminer will not develop any asics before 2013 either
mircea_popescu: this "can do" attitude has gotten people in a ridiculous position.
usagi: There are multiple companies with 2012 release dates
mircea_popescu: doing an asic run is actually of the complexity level of releasing a blockbuster movie.
BTC-Mining: You are all assuming BFL had not started/worked on this privately long before announcing the ASICs
mircea_popescu: an asic run is in the 50-100mn range as the absolut minimum. they don't have 50 mn.
usagi: Lots of VC is moving into bitcoin now, I am willing to bet there's at least one secret competitor
usagi: ASICMINER is 130 isn't it?
usagi: Well mircea I am doing an interview with friedcat right now
BTC-Mining: That's impossible mircea, except for publicly traded companies who have public financial statements
usagi: Do you have any questions for him?
usagi: friedcat = ASICMINER
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining not really impossible. sometimes difficult.
usagi: Mircea you seem a little out of touch with the market these days, no offense
usagi: Well you run an exchange I guess your busy hehe
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.17 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: im not too busy to know the semiconductor trade, but anyway.
usagi: I'm under the impression you could go to any of 50 companies with a design and have them print it
usagi: They have a design
usagi: It's actually not that difficult, just a lot of sha cores right
usagi: like 50 or 100 i imagine, on a chip
mircea_popescu: which are specifically made to exist as prototyping units.
mircea_popescu: asics are large and expensive runs. just the set-up cost for the foundry to do an asic run can be 10mn.
mircea_popescu: and i never heard of foundry runs for less than millions of units.
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 there are some cheaper variants to set up that deliver dubious product, as in, the economies of scale don't get to play much
usagi: I see a lot of small companies around 10-100 million that do small runs
usagi: eSillicon signed apple when they only had a market cap of like 75 million
mircea_popescu: to cut this entire story short : i think any of the btc companies are well meaning, and i think asics will eventually come
Diablo-D3: its hard to get a bad chip rate on 130nm nowadays
mircea_popescu: i do not believe any of them has the wherewithal to pull it off this year.
Diablo-D3: they're not as new as you think they are.
mircea_popescu: are you telling me any of the asic proposing companies actually BOUGHT an already ran design ?
mircea_popescu: usagi : a. esillicon does not own or run foundries, they mostly manage other people's runs b. bfl has no 75 mn mkt cap.
usagi: Yes, they are fabless hehe
usagi: The thing is this isn't 23nm
mircea_popescu: to put it in perspective : we're discussing the efficient moving of coal, and somebody proposes they will do it by car and shows that their cousin who is a cab driver drives a cab on a yearly budget of 10k.
usagi: I have exact cost numbers for you
usagi: But you will have to wait until the interview.
mircea_popescu: usagi : yes, ideally they could get lucky and catch some production hole or something
mircea_popescu: this'd mean an insider or two being on the board and helping out.
usagi: One of the major shifts we have seen in the last several months
usagi: is that bitcoin based busiesses are no longer one man shows.
mircea_popescu: understand : these are high risk propositions, the ideea we'll get rich because we're sparrows and find a crumb some ogre lefrt behind.
usagi: The most successful ones are all multiperson now
mircea_popescu: that bitcoin consultancy disaster has been multiperson for abnout as long
usagi: Thats why I have only invested about 2-3% into asicminer
usagi: That being said it's my top holding
usagi: Bitcoin consultancy, JRO?
usagi: or is that bitcoinina
usagi: I've lost track of all the failures
usagi: All of those failures are because one person had too much control over a business
usagi: For example the JRO stuff. Why was there no treasurer?
usagi: You can't seriously run a business without a treasurer or a dead man's switch nowadays
mircea_popescu: bitcoin consultancy was bitcoinica/intersango and i guess glsbe
usagi: What we should do is make a list of questions, designed to expose the failures of the past,
usagi: Hmm, and use that list somehow
usagi: Just simple innocuous questions
usagi: like, how many employees does your company have
usagi: (If the answer is zero, it's not much of a business is it)
usagi: I actually employ four people (i.e. pay them) although they're all part time :<
usagi: He must have someone to do something with that many GPUs
usagi: But it raises the issue, do we really need another 5ghs miner startup
usagi: Gigamining has a huge market cap so it's a little different they can buy their way in, but if I were to buy a single and start a company
usagi: Hmmm, maybe thats not a good idea anymore.
area: Giga has two farms right?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P120T] 2 @ 0.13105082 = 0.2621 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 1 @ 1.0049 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOVETO.FUND] 1 @ 1.14999999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 20 @ 0.1028 = 2.056 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMF] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 2 @ 1 = 2 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 100 @ 0.035001 = 3.5001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 200 @ 0.035 = 7 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 1 = 4 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-A] 1 @ 0.153 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 23 @ 0.1199 = 2.7577 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 20 @ 0.12 = 2.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.0003965 = 1.705 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 43 @ 0.121 = 5.203 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.0003965 = 10.8641 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-B] 46 @ 0.1 = 4.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23494 @ 0.00039172 = 9.2031 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12206 @ 0.00038892 = 4.7472 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 65 @ 0.11 = 7.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 4 @ 0.08 = 0.32 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RSM] 2 @ 0.26 = 0.52 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9901 = 3.9604 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 5 @ 0.99 = 4.95 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 7 @ 0.985 = 6.895 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.98112012 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.98112 = 2.9434 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.98101 = 3.924 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 17 @ 0.981 = 16.677 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 13 @ 0.981 = 12.753 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 2 @ 0.98 = 1.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.971 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 45 @ 0.97 = 43.65 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 15 @ 0.97 = 14.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 15 @ 0.1171 = 1.7565 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 2 @ 1.0101 = 2.0202 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 5 @ 1.01 = 5.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 1 @ 1.0025 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 39 @ 1.002 = 39.078 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 5 @ 1.0002 = 5.001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 25 @ 1.0001 = 25.0025 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 123 @ 1 = 123 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50200 @ 0.0003965 = 19.9043 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: why are people panicing so much xD
DeaDTerra: so sell of a bond that's worth 1 BTC for less just due to a interest decrease is crazy :P
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 20 @ 0.1199 = 2.398 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6600 @ 0.00108634 = 7.1698 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4435 @ 0.0003965 = 1.7585 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.HASH.C10TH] 150000 @ 0.00017429 = 26.1435 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: I guess people are thinking pirate will default soon in which case they would be useless.
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2500 @ 0.00111592 = 2.7898 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 176 @ 0.00112697 = 0.1983 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.955 = 2.865 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9505 = 3.802 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 76 @ 0.95 = 72.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 200 @ 0.108 = 21.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 200 @ 0.107 = 21.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2824 @ 0.00112697 = 3.1826 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1331 @ 0.00112821 = 1.5016 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 3 @ 0.9751 = 2.9253 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 100 @ 0.975 = 97.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 7 @ 0.97000004 = 6.79 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 3 @ 0.97000002 = 2.91 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 13 @ 0.97 = 12.61 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 2 @ 0.97 = 1.94 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 7 @ 0.104599 = 0.7322 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIF.BTCST.PPT] 4 @ 1.025 = 4.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.HASH.C10TH] 150000 @ 0.000775 = 116.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.A] 15000 @ 0.001 = 15 BTC
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 2 @ 0.9999 = 1.9998 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 7777 @ 0.001 = 7.777 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.B] 60000 @ 0.001 = 60 BTC
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 2 @ 0.92 = 1.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.1199 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.05 = 0.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52200 @ 0.00039449 = 20.5924 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 300 @ 0.105 = 31.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2532 @ 0.00112821 = 2.8566 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2585 @ 0.00113235 = 2.9271 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 2 @ 0.92 = 1.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 6 @ 0.4255 = 2.553 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12451 @ 0.00038892 = 4.8424 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4817 @ 0.0003874 = 1.8661 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 15 @ 0.1171 = 1.7565 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 5 @ 0.117 = 0.585 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.HASH.C10TH] 150000 @ 0.0001716 = 25.74 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00039449 = 0.9862 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.0003965 = 0.7534 BTC [+]
gribble: Best bid: 12.405, Best ask: 12.44999, Bid-ask spread: 0.04499, Last trade: 12.44999, 24 hour volume: 46501, 24 hour low: 11.925, 24 hour high: 12.4799
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREASIC] 3 @ 0.7 = 2.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5900 @ 0.00111945 = 6.6048 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.1MHS] 1 @ 0.075 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59504 @ 0.0003965 = 23.5933 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 400 @ 0.105 = 42 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9531001 = 3.8124 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 88 @ 0.003828 = 0.3369 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 1.0201 = 4.0804 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 16 @ 1.02 = 16.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 13 @ 1.46 = 18.98 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 1.02 = 4.08 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 2 @ 1.46 = 2.92 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 1 @ 1.068 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 4 @ 1.069 = 4.276 BTC [+]
usagi: it's the bullion effect
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 75 @ 0.05899999 = 4.425 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00039322 = 2.3986 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABIF] 1 @ 1 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.104 = 0.728 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.1035 = 0.7245 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.103 = 0.412 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.1023 = 2.046 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.102 = 0.51 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.10100001 = 5.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.1001 = 1.8018 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 289 @ 0.1 = 28.9 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: I really want a GLBSE app for android :(
gigavps: ciuciu why don't you PM him
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.0003965 = 2.1015 BTC [+]
gigavps: maybe you should use your 1k btc for your mining coop
DeaDTerra: or give it to me? I am always a fan of charity xD
gigavps: i get no benefit from gigamining being traded
gigavps: i fulfill the contract as written
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 6 @ 0.3999 = 2.3994 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: haha nah xD I was just joking, I am fine
gigavps: i don't keep up with sock puppet accounts on the forums
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]
gigavps: mpoe-pr is a sock puppet account for Mr. Popescu
☟︎ gigavps: i don't have a sock puppet account and can speak for myself just fine
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.058999 BTC [-]
usagi: Technically a sock puppet account is created to confuse an issue
usagi: I don't really think it's proper to call a -PR account a sock puppet
usagi: Yeah but anyone who is anyone knows it is him
usagi: it's not like he is trying to hide under an anonymous name
usagi: Pirate lost his bet with Vandroiy
usagi: "...as long as there is advance notice of at least 30 calendar days"
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 2 @ 0.92 = 1.84 BTC [-]
usagi: "I have no doubt that John Ciuciu citizen, working man without a dick presented identity documents found on the internet and other hard evidence, clear and indisputable fact that investors will realize the benefits Ciuciu and receive money back from Ciuciu."
usagi: So ciuciu did you end up buying any YARR or NYAN? :)
usagi: I think I am gonna shut YARR down somehow, or sell it
usagi: PPT was sold, FOO.PPPPT was sold
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 7 @ 0.058999 = 0.413 BTC [-]
usagi: I should be able to sell YARR
usagi: Now that pirate lowered his rates, running YARR has become more profitable than investing in pirate.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 20 @ 0.125 = 2.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 6 @ 0.4255 = 2.553 BTC [+]
Harvey00: I gave somebody 77 Bitcoins in 2010 for nothing.
Harvey00: Let's see if I can track them down today and tell them about their winnings.
mircea_popescu: maybe they're heroic bitcoins, they made it through the mtgox hack, and all the later hacks
mircea_popescu: yea, somebody should write a novel of bitcoin, about this one satoshi that was in ALL the scams, in all the hacks, in all of it.
usagi: tHERE ARE A MILLION BITS IN THE NAKED WALLET.
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 5 @ 0.961 = 4.805 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 10 @ 0.96 = 9.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 5 @ 0.9532 = 4.766 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.9531002 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.9530002 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 7 @ 0.952 = 6.664 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.951 = 2.853 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 15 @ 0.950001 = 14.25 BTC [-]
usagi: And this one was mine. It all started one day in 1996. This is the story of one Satoshi -- the Satoshi that knew too much. Although if one were to be intellectually honest one would have to mention that Satoshis are not sentient and can't really know anything. It's just a manner of speaking. Yes, it's reification, but there is a method to the madness. And this Satoshi had seen and done it all.
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2500 @ 0.00109248 = 2.7312 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4100 @ 0.00108473 = 4.4474 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4616 @ 0.00107944 = 4.9827 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4000 @ 0.00107912 = 4.3165 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 15000 @ 0.00107865 = 16.1798 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8558 @ 0.00107486 = 9.1987 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1100 @ 0.00107418 = 1.1816 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 400 @ 0.00107311 = 0.4292 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 13226 @ 0.00106687 = 14.1104 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.B] 1337 @ 0.001 = 1.337 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 1337 @ 0.001 = 1.337 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.A] 1337 @ 0.001 = 1.337 BTC
usagi: Five thousand miles away from Japan, in a city known as "New York", a man ordered a cup of coffee. He paid for it with a dollar. Little did he know that due to the butterfly effect, five thousand miles away from New York in a country called "Japan", a young Englishman pretending to be Japanese had come up with a genius idea. Or perhaps it was the hundredth monkey theory. The point is that the man who bought the coffee was a computer
usagi: science grad who was interested in cryptography. And therefore, somehow, Satoshi Nakamoto KNEW WHAT HAD TO BE DONE.
usagi: I could keep going
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00039515 = 6.0063 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00038747 = 1.6661 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42262 @ 0.0003874 = 16.3723 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00038507 = 10.4739 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36600 @ 0.00038403 = 14.0555 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19801 @ 0.00038322 = 7.5881 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46900 @ 0.00038279 = 17.9529 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00037844 = 11.656 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56937 @ 0.00037557 = 21.3838 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8163 @ 0.00037557 = 3.0658 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54600 @ 0.00037538 = 20.4957 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32237 @ 0.00037532 = 12.0992 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.104599 BTC [+]
area: The chapter titles following that satoshi should just be dates and how much BTC has been in all of the hacks described previously
area: So the date goes up, and the number of BTC goes down each time
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 4 @ 0.0099 = 0.0396 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 3 @ 0.0099 = 0.0297 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12265 @ 0.00037532 = 4.6033 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: gigavps well you're one of the rare breed that can master both forum and irc. i make no such claim.
gigavps: mircea_popescu i think you are smarter than you let on
gigavps: i just don't like dealing with your sock puppet
mircea_popescu: well so i don't see why you'd need to, you can get on irc.
usagi: area you know the funny thing?
usagi: YARR is profitable even if I continue to pay out 0.01 a day
usagi: I could probably sell shares at 2 :p
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 5 @ 1.49999999 = 7.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 1 @ 1.5 BTC [+]
area: Selling shares at 2 is no risk for you, so I don't see why you shouldn't
area: I just won't buy any ;-)
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5374 @ 0.00106687 = 5.7334 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2000 @ 0.00106208 = 2.1242 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2154 @ 0.00106008 = 2.2834 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [M.ETF] 1 @ 0.1499 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2263 @ 0.00111107 = 2.5144 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 11084 @ 0.00111343 = 12.3413 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1653 @ 0.00113235 = 1.8718 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.102 = 0.408 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.10111 = 0.3033 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.1011 = 0.3033 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 1.10979999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 13646 @ 0.00106008 = 14.4659 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2054 @ 0.00104464 = 2.1457 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 262 @ 0.00376708 = 0.987 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE:DMC] [Bid: 0.04] [Ask: 0.05899999] [Spread: 0.01899999] [Last: 0.058999] [24hVol: 165.69368925] [7dAvg: 0.05613795]
mircea_popescu: and just parse for the symbol. it allows concurrency and goes pretty fast.
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.9899 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CBGB] 1 @ 0.49999999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 10 @ 0.872 = 8.72 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 49 @ 0.871 = 42.679 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.B] 100000 @ 0.001 = 100 BTC
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 8 @ 0.9899 = 7.9192 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 10 @ 1.1009 = 11.009 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.99 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.104599 = 0.2092 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 33 @ 0.00900001 = 0.297 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 92 @ 0.009 = 0.828 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9701 = 3.8804 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 10 @ 0.104599 = 1.046 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CIUCIU.BOND] 100 @ 0.1 = 10 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMF] 4 @ 0.6701 = 2.6804 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMF] 10 @ 0.67 = 6.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMF] 7 @ 0.65 = 4.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [UDN] 1 @ 0.085 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PPT.E] 10 @ 1.23 = 12.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JAH] 10 @ 0.12 = 1.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [IBB] 1 @ 0.64 BTC
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 2 @ 0.9999 = 1.9998 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [UDN] 14 @ 0.085 = 1.19 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 6 @ 0.104599 = 0.6276 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ZETA-MINING] 4 @ 0.1501 = 0.6004 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ZETA-MINING] 2 @ 0.15 = 0.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ZETA-MINING] 44 @ 0.1341 = 5.9004 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 6 @ 1.069 = 6.414 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.9899 = 2.9697 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABIF] 2 @ 1 = 2 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: 15:13.19 ( usagi ) Pirate lost his bet with Vandroiy
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9899 = 3.9596 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.99 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.99 = 2.97 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 5 @ 0.05899999 = 0.295 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: why is the bet lost tho ? says there interest changes are ok.
farfi: I would say that both parties will aggree that the bet is still on
usagi: because there was less than 30 days notice.
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOORE] 3 @ 0.51439 = 1.5432 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOORE] 12 @ 0.51449 = 6.1739 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JTME] 5 @ 0.99893 = 4.9947 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JTME] 3 @ 0.99895 = 2.9969 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JTME] 2 @ 0.99896 = 1.9979 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JTME] 2 @ 0.99897 = 1.9979 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: not home atm, will add in the following days
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 7 @ 0.4332 = 3.0324 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.4333 = 0.8666 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 10 @ 0.97 = 9.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 9 @ 0.975 = 8.775 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ZETA-MINING] 4 @ 0.1799 = 0.7196 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ZETA-MINING] 4 @ 0.18 = 0.72 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ZETA-MINING] 33 @ 0.185 = 6.105 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 1.06989999 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 6 @ 1.06999999 = 6.42 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C080T] 3 @ 0.34590334 = 1.0377 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P100N] 2 @ 0.1599883 = 0.32 BTC [-]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while).
smickles: jcpham: or wait, what did you buy at? 1.25?
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.10499998 = 0.21 BTC [+]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while).
assbot: SS [1@1.5BTC] paid: 0.44535409 BTC. Last price: 1.9 BTC. Capital gain: 0.4 BTC. Total: 0.84535409 BTC. (56.4%)
smickles: when glbse is slow, it really does take a while
assbot: !pl <ticker> [<amount>@]<bought at> [<YYYY-MM-DD>]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while).
assbot: SS [1@2.2BTC] paid: 0.44535409 BTC. Last price: 1.9 BTC. Capital gain: -0.3 BTC. Total: 0.14535409 BTC. (6.6%)
smickles: at 2.2, you may need to put in a date
smickles: 'cause it put's in dividends too
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 15 @ 0.1151 = 1.7265 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 4 @ 0.115 = 0.46 BTC [-]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while).
jcpham: this is per share, right
assbot: MPOE.ETF [1@0.1BTC] paid: 0.00852236 BTC. Last price: 1.5 BTC. Capital gain: 1.4 BTC. Total: 1.40852236 BTC. (1408.5%)
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCWEB] 2 @ 0.04 = 0.08 BTC [-]
assbot: !pl <ticker> [<amount>@]<bought at> [<YYYY-MM-DD>]
smickles: ^_^ see that 1400% on mpoe.etf ^_^
smickles: with dividends today, it'l go up a bit too
assbot: [GLBSE] [PPT.A] 5 @ 1.167 = 5.835 BTC [+]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while).
assbot: GIGAMINING [1@1.5BTC] paid: 0.38322596 BTC. Last price: 1.1009 BTC. Capital gain: -0.3991 BTC. Total: -0.01587404 BTC. (-1.1%)
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 1.1095979 = 4.4384 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <assbot> MPOE.ETF [1@0.1BTC] paid: 0.00852236 BTC. Last price: 1.5 BTC. Capital gain: 1.4 BTC. Total: 1.40852236 BTC. (1408.5%)
smickles: i've yet to pay today's dividends too
mircea_popescu: not just avg price in interval but also min max and volume
smickles: i sent you a link, i'll get it again
smickles: it's not unexpected that you missed it, i just hilighted you in here or #trilem (idr which)
smickles: mircea_popescu: that's a nice improvement to the vwap.php
smickles: seems a bit improperly named now tho
smickles: or is that min/max/avg of the vwap itself?
smickles: or the min/max/avg of the spot?
smickles: and avg is still vwap? plus volume? what more could i ask for :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 2 @ 0.079 = 0.158 BTC [-]
smickles: cnt? /me simultaneous lol and yay
mircea_popescu: "S.MPOE":{"1d":{"avg":"38387.3709", "min":"34738", "max":"39650", "vol":"1724168", "cnt":"84" },
mircea_popescu: can you conceive of anything else might be useful ? since we've got tghe bonnet off it atm
smickles: lol, id in ht asset vwap json?
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 27 @ 0.115 = 3.105 BTC [-]
smickles: mircea_popescu: it was ciuciu's suggestion
mircea_popescu: gives kids something useful to do turning rocks and painting them over.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.0003965 = 2.0618 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: srsly, ill say this much :" the greatest thing for a dev team is to announce some change
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.10499899 = 0.945 BTC [-]
smickles: ciuciu: if that page is to be believed, it's right in line with typical businesses
smickles: afaik, most business don't make a profit for about the first 5 years
assbot: [GLBSE] [TEEK.USD] 1 @ 0.077 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CIUCIU.BOND] 3 @ 0.09 = 0.27 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 21 @ 0.1011 = 2.1231 BTC [-]
smickles: ciuciu: he claims to have employees now, and the info you've given is years out of date :/
smickles: if you're going to be so critical of the guy, at least have good data
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 20 @ 0.05899999 = 1.18 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 1.10949789 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.10499899 = 1.05 BTC [-]
smickles: mircea_popescu: do you have any US GAAP / IFRS style reports for polimedia
smickles: maybe then we could come to an accurate opinion of polimedia's financial state
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.10499899 = 0.21 BTC [-]
smickles: that's a nice accusation, surely you have evidence of that
kakobrekla: also mircea_popescu, anything to add to this ciuciu fud
smickles: kakobrekla: mircea_popescu has had him on ignore for a long time
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.10499899 = 2.1 BTC [-]
smickles: kakobrekla: ciuciu claims that mircea_popescu is a content thief and a spammer and a poor businessman, basically
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.10499899 = 0.945 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.10499998 = 1.05 BTC [+]
smickles: ciuciu: does that say that you're involved in intersango?
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.1MHS] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOVETO.FUND] 9 @ 1.14999999 = 10.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOVETO.FUND] 11 @ 1.15 = 12.65 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 5 @ 1 = 5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 10 @ 0.497 = 4.97 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 16 @ 0.5 = 8 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 17 @ 0.05899999 = 1.003 BTC [+]
smickles: ciuciu: so you wre involved in Bitcoin Consultancy?
smickles: what about ciubond or whatever it is?
mircea_popescu: obviously the title is tongue in cheek, if that's not obvious from the text.
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.10459 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.99 = 2.97 BTC [+]
smickles: heh, accounting truly is an international language
mircea_popescu: content thief roflmao. ahahaha this is like accusing the state of california of being vegetable thieves.
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 2 @ 0.05899999 = 0.118 BTC [+]
smickles: oh wow, if i calc a L3 trust rating b/t me an ciuciu, it come out at 1
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 22 @ 0.04 = 0.88 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 50 @ 0.03501002 = 1.7505 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 100 @ 0.03501001 = 3.501 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 50 @ 0.03501001 = 1.7505 BTC [-]
smickles: that's like violating the 6 degrees of keven bacon law
smickles: 0_0, when did dmg get up to .04?
smickles: mircea_popescu: it was down to atleast .02 yesterday
usagi: i trust smickles via rg.
smickles: usagi: cause i bought him a hotdog or something?
smickles: ciuciu: what's your forum username?
usagi: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 80 @ 0.101 = 8.08 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jesus apparently i know you through everybody in this chan
gribble: Error: "getturst" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "getthrudst" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "getturds" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "getthryst" is not a valid command.
usagi: ;;gettrust ciuciu mircea_popescu
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 28 @ 0.10499998 = 2.94 BTC [+]
smickles: all that shit you are saying about him and you don't -1 him on the WOT?
mircea_popescu: what i want to know is how does sera make those sexy curved arrows !
usagi: Because I am a senshi.
mircea_popescu: that sucky moment when you can't read smickle's report cause btctalk is down :(
usagi: <smickles> ;;getthrudst smickles usagi
smickles: so it's not thrust'', it's 'thrust with a d'
usagi: I like the hemline
smickles: mircea_popescu: i like all the art you spread
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.105 = 2.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.105 = 2.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.105 = 1.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.105 = 0.735 BTC [+]
smickles: mircea_popescu: i figured it out, as a 'merican, culturally, i don't think losses in business are a bad thing. ya know, the whole learning from failure thing that has propelled business like Apple and such. I suspect ciuciu isn't 'merican
mircea_popescu: smickles you neglect the part where i have a lot of money and tax purposes.
smickles: mircea_popescu: oh hyeah, i have paper losses for tax purposes too :/
smickles: that house in columbia pretty much means i don't pay federal income tax
smickles: untill i start having realized gains > 100K usd
smickles: so, if bitcoin goes to 100 usd per coin, i prolly won't cash out
assbot: [GLBSE] [TEEK.USD] 10 @ 0.077 = 0.77 BTC [-]
smickles: just leave it as unrealized gains
assbot: [GLBSE] [TEEK.USD] 9 @ 0.077 = 0.693 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.105 = 0.525 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 9 @ 0.1 = 0.9 BTC [-]
smickles: heh, ciuciu, you just reminded me of that pic of elon musk w/o an undershirt
smickles: now he looks like a businessman
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.105 = 0.84 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P150N] 1 @ 0.46976989 BTC [-]
jcpham: many lulz were just had
mircea_popescu: MPOE stock................................488.22351953 488.22351953 490.94574494 54.84171999 54.84171999
smickles: mircea_popescu: it's the GAAP way to do it
smickles: mircea_popescu: combine that with the valuation allowance
jcpham: mircea_popescu can i give you money and you'll give me more?
mircea_popescu: well, buy a mpoe bond, or else open a mpex acct if you don't have one already and trade
smickles: it come at the cost of risk, usually, jcpham
mircea_popescu: actually mpcd.a is i think the risklessyest asset in all of btcland.
smickles: that b.mpcd.b looks mighty appealing
jcpham: leave none for the rest
smickles: jcpham: imsaguy has the funds right now
usagi: lol unix is such a wonderful system
smickles: mircea_popescu: if i had the funds personally, i would have already done that with 'C'
jcpham: so what you are saying is...
mircea_popescu: but srsly, buying equity tranche is not for the faint at heart.
jcpham: i need to move funds to this glbse thingamajig
smickles: mircea_popescu: well, i would have had a goal of 3 to 5%
mircea_popescu: jcpham you can buy mpoe bonds by just sending money over.
mircea_popescu: smickles conceivably it will take some capital hits yea.
jcpham: I'm approximately 22% complete in my journey to over9000
smickles: ciuciu: it is a bit of a kludge, but the only funds s²cm has with imsag were the funds that were with him b/f he came on as CIO
assbot: [GLBSE] [TEEK.USD] 1 @ 0.077 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Net cash flow from financing activities............................ (6.44483760)
smickles: now we're removing the conflict of interest
smickles: mircea_popescu: mpoe.etf pays last month's dividend in this month
mircea_popescu: btw, is imsaguy2 running a bank yet ? or still doing the whole shadow hedge fund manager thing
BTC-Mining: Someone care to explain? I think I missed a few things
smickles: the fund had a better dividend last month due to some options and such
mircea_popescu: (bear with me, i only have a cursory understanding of accounting)
smickles: mircea_popescu: its not a loss, it's cash flow
smickles: we speant the cash which we received last month
jcpham: it's more of an investment in you mircea_popescu
jcpham: the bonds are just a vehicle
mircea_popescu: somebody needs to organise an event for hedge fund managers
rg: for long standing acts of trustworthyness
jcpham: the mail lady just dropped something in my lap
rg: im waiting for some shit in the mail
rg: but its coming from cali
jcpham: smickles is supremo A #1 tops
mircea_popescu: i think mickey carver is like the most competent accountant active with btc atm.
rg: probably wnot be here today
mircea_popescu: visit the proctologist clinic, they usually keep a supply.
jcpham: ooh and 3 grams of gold
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 300 @ 0.00384 = 1.152 BTC [+]
rg: they dont have local vendors
rg: if they did i would use them
assbot: [GLBSE] [ABM] 2 @ 0.249 = 0.498 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ABM] 5 @ 0.24987999 = 1.2494 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ABM] 3 @ 0.24988 = 0.7496 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "BTCST has the right to change the terms of its outstanding deposits at any time, as long as there is advance notice of at least 30 calendar days."
mircea_popescu: "Since the existing ToS includes the provision for pirate's ability to change interest rates "with notice", this latest change in interest rates does not violate the terms of the bet contract, even though it did not itself have a 30 day notice. The term "interest rates" was only used as an example of terms that may change in ToS; the list of examples was not intended to be either exhaustive or necessarily-inclusive. The point of the
mircea_popescu: ToS changes section and advance notice thereof, was to make sure that users are given ample notice for any unexpected material changes."
nanotube: basically, the existing tos said pirate can change interest rates upon notice.
nanotube: no, existing tos did not specify 30 days
nanotube: so by changing rates, he's not changing the tos
nanotube: because that's already included in the tos.
jcpham: i've been expecting falling rates the whole time
jcpham: not sure what the big deal is
jcpham: it only effects lenders
mircea_popescu: so while the guy didn't change the terms of service... he did change the terms of its outstanding deposits.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCASS_BOND_A] 1 @ 0.1489 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: course coupled with the dissolution clause it'd seem your interpretation follows the spirit of the agreement
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREASIC] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.1MHS] 1 @ 0.075 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.A] 80000 @ 0.001 = 80 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5264 @ 0.00113271 = 5.9626 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: That's why I never do anything personal at work
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 1 @ 1.053 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 1 @ 0.41128695 BTC [-]
jcpham: mircea_popescu's site is epic
jcpham: most of the women are promised to me already however
imsaguy2: so why was I getting highlighted?
assbot: [GLBSE] [SYNERGY] 2 @ 0.19 = 0.38 BTC [+]
imsaguy2: smickles does all the heavy lifting
imsaguy2: I just watch to make sure they pay once in a while
jcpham: you can tell we are long because we go by the month
jcpham: this week shit is too much
jcpham: smoke a few valerian roots
jcpham: get yerr hair did gurrrl
jcpham: get da ice on ya pinky ring
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 5 @ 0.1199 = 0.5995 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.43389999 = 0.8678 BTC [+]
imsaguy2: 573 pounds of butter were used on Julia Child's show “Baking with Julia.”
nanotube: mircea_popescu: yea, i'm no lawyer, so the agreement is not foolproof. but the spirit of the bet is about pirate honoring his obligations and actually being in possession of user funds
nanotube: so i'm not going to decide the bet on minor technicalities
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.1199 BTC [+]
imsaguy2: I think nanotube was bought out
mircea_popescu: ya, 1% of enough money to buy all the bitcoin magazines wright will ever print in his lifetime.
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.1MHS] 9 @ 0.05 = 0.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.105 = 0.42 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 1 @ 1.46 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 2 @ 0.1199 = 0.2398 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 25 @ 1.42 = 35.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.0003965 = 13.5207 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 24 @ 0.105 = 2.52 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P100T] 10 @ 0.0504285 = 0.5043 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.105 = 0.84 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-PI] 10 @ 1.45 = 14.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREASIC] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P100N] 1 @ 0.15514368 BTC [-]
smickles: < ciuciu_> Hey smickles: Do you know Mircea is running a porn site? << is that supposed to be a bad thing?
mircea_popescu: let me spare the dood some work, apparently he's not just misguided but also inept
smickles: ciuciu_: I only ask because you've been in the habit recently of trying to discredit MP
mircea_popescu: fucking hayseed, discovered the internet yesterday has no clue about what's what.
smickles: I will be on the record of making the assertation that porn is not bad because it is art
mircea_popescu: porn is not bad because that's how ciuciu's mom raised her children.
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 9300 @ 0.00112827 = 10.4929 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.9875 = 2.9625 BTC [-]
smickles: mircea_popescu: that first link is one of my favorite pictures. it tells such an interesting story in my mind
mircea_popescu: all stories with an obedient pair of girls in them are interesting.
smickles: ciuciu_: did you bring up the issue of a porn site for any particular reason?
Diablo-D3: because I dont think anyone has the tits for it
smickles: Diablo-D3: google poliboobs, he's got the tits
assbot: [GLBSE] [MU] 1 @ 0.4999 BTC [+]
smickles: ciuciu_: i don't thing spamming the info the MP runs a porn site will harm his reputation
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 10 @ 0.99999999 = 10 BTC [+]
smickles: honestly, ciuciu_, you might risk harming your own reputation, depending on how you go about doing it
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 2 @ 1.0479 = 2.0958 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 8 @ 1.048 = 8.384 BTC [+]
smickles: ciuciu_: he doesn't use the forums
smickles: if your talking about bitcointalk.org
smickles: mircea_popescu: you got a bitcointalk account recently?
smickles: ciuciu_: i'm fairly sure that's his hireling
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P150T] 2 @ 0.31958972 = 0.6392 BTC [-]
smickles: ciuciu_: if it is his girlfriend's account, how come you are claiming he uses the forum?
smickles: ciuciu_: then you understand that you just commited the non sequitor fallacy?
smickles: english as my native language may have harmed my ability to spell in latin
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 4 @ 1.069 = 4.276 BTC [+]
smickles: heh, now you're posting stuff that came from my own thread
smickles: iirc, mp has told me that he used to live in 'merica, but moved becaus of the comming financial fallout
smickles: mircea_popescu: so your gf doesn't speak romanian and has poor knowledge of romanian according to ciuciu_
smickles: i feel like i'm learning stuff today :P
Diablo-D3: my art is simply not safe for human consumption
Diablo-D3: its mostly just mindfuck porn that is hilarious to post on g-rated boards.
Diablo-D3: its not "porn", you dont fap to it
Diablo-D3: you fuck people in the eyesocket with it
smickles: to me, the word 'porn' is like the pejorative form of 'gay'
smickles: so 'gay porn' just puts me thru the ringer
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: that only makes sense if its dolcett porn
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.5 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: nothing hotter than a woman learning how the sausage is made.
smickles: ciuciu_: i don't see that link as having any meaning in the context of this conversation
Diablo-D3: and virtually no one in here got it
smickles: ciuciu_: i'm sorry, but i just don't believe that right now
smickles: ciuciu_: i would very much want to see evidence that MP was going to scam me or my operations out of btc
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.99133 = 3.9653 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 30 @ 0.99133 = 29.7399 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FZB.A] 2 @ 0.031 = 0.062 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FZB.A] 1 @ 0.0301 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FZB.A] 115 @ 0.03 = 3.45 BTC [-]
smickles: lol, why should i give a fuck if he's a dubious character?
smickles: mircea_popescu: you run a porn site?
smickles: that's the basis of your argument?
mircea_popescu: lol. actually, i used to produce the stuff, back the previous millenium when it still made money.
smickles: ciuciu_: so this is an emotional reaction?
smickles: it doesn't look like it has stopped
smickles: can you clearly point out evidence of MP doing something bad?
smickles: not shady or dubious, wierd, etc
smickles: ciuciu_: you are welcom to say anything you want
smickles: but if you want me to believe you, you'll need evidenc and sound argumnetation
smickles: lol, argumentation?, i meant a cogent/sound argument
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 49 @ 0.1 = 4.9 BTC [-]
smickles: ciuciu_: that I should not interact with MP at the significant risk of loss
smickles: ciuciu_: accusations mean noting if they did not come to a 'conviction'
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 10 @ 0.122999 = 1.23 BTC [+]
smickles: so then you are out to harm someone for personal reasons?
smickles: that's not a very good thing to do
smickles: i've forgotten, what did mp do to you?
smickles: i've heard that the pr lady pointed out that ciuciu is akin to saying jack shit or something like that
smickles: it wouldn't be found by markak would it
smickles: ciuciu_: lol, so he pointed out that your name meant something bad in another language, and you're upset at him?
smickles: ciuciu_: if you do that in my thread, i will likely and simply point out that you haven't presented me with significant evidence of wrongdoing on the part of MP, or any indication that it puts the fund or its shareholders at risk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 800 @ 0.00384 = 3.072 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 895 @ 0.00371138 = 3.3217 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: well i came back online several hours later and its still/again MP vs CC talk
kakobrekla: i dont see much of a point in any of this
smickles: ciuciu_: btw, good luck in your endeavors.
smickles: mircea_popescu: i think it's important to pursue possible information that may foreshadow harm to myself or the shareholders of mpoeetf or ss
smickles: my personal pleasure in the action is masturbatory
smickles: hey, doesn't that word just mean self-pleasing, yet otherwise pointless?
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.105 = 1.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.05899998 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.0003965 = 2.6566 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.99989999 = 3.9996 BTC [+]
smickles: huh, the internet seems to disagree
smickles: well, that seems to not be the word I intended to use
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 100 @ 0.1 = 10 BTC [-]
smickles: i don't recall where i (thought that I) learned that word, but i don't think it was a thesaurus
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 53 @ 0.105 = 5.565 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 49 @ 0.05899998 = 2.891 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 11 @ 0.05899999 = 0.649 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [+]
smickles: well, then someone needs to cop up to it, i'm sure i owe them a drink
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 50 @ 0.1 = 5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 25000 @ 0.001 = 25 BTC
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.99989999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-PI] 9 @ 1.45 = 13.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-PI] 1 @ 1.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TEEK.PPT] 4 @ 1.7889 = 7.1556 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.105 = 1.05 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: so.,, insured pirate bonds cdo anyone?
copumpkin: how would that work? they'd all default at the same time
mircea_popescu: copumpkin has a point, they're not such great matter for a cdo cause of high catastrophe chance.
copumpkin: it'd still be somewhat more interesting than uninsured CDO :P
kakobrekla: well i guess the whole point of it is who will payout and who wont
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 2 @ 0.99989999 = 1.9998 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 7 @ 0.99999999 = 7 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.104 = 2.08 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.102 = 2.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.101 = 0.505 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 32 @ 0.1001 = 3.2032 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.1001 = 5.005 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 73 @ 0.1 = 7.3 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: Anyone want to buy ASICMINER shares?^^
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 3 @ 1 = 3 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 8 @ 0.99999999 = 8 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 20 @ 0.05899999 = 1.18 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 10 @ 0.059 = 0.59 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 10 @ 0.059 = 0.59 BTC [+]