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smickles: < kakobrekla> this is wrong isnt it <<< i'm pretty sure it's not
kakobrekla: it was.
kakobrekla: capital was off by factor of 10
MoneyIsDebt: Nice with the top up service
Chaaaang-Noi: yeah, sadly i now have a data plan and pay monthly
Chaaaang-Noi: i used to use it all the time was epic
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00038106 = 0.8764 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48731 @ 0.00037668 = 18.356 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57900 @ 0.00037356 = 21.6291 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65213 @ 0.00036471 = 23.7838 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5856 @ 0.00036172 = 2.1182 BTC [-]
smickles: kakobrekla: what was wrong about it (i guess i was only looking at the %
smickles: )
smickles: oh
smickles: i should read more often
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 889 @ 0.00111789 = 0.9938 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6701 @ 0.00111949 = 7.5017 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 10010 @ 0.00112057 = 11.2169 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: how much you;'re out on zip/rebate usagi ?
kakobrekla: hes gone
mircea_popescu: o
Chaaaang-Noi: he is back
Chaaaang-Noi: or s/he is back :)
usagi: Oh bloody hell. Looks like I've been Shanghai'd
mircea_popescu: how much you;'re out on zip/rebate usagi ?
Chaaaang-Noi: thats what you get for being drunk in the north eastern part of the usa
usagi: $1700?
mircea_popescu: plenty huh.
Chaaaang-Noi: why did you trust him and mathew in the firstplace?
mircea_popescu: as in, guy secretly had borrowed 10's of k's.
Chaaaang-Noi: yeah once i found out kludge was working with him i sold off bdk hard hard hard, i had 80% of it at one point
mircea_popescu: umm what's their total float ?
mircea_popescu: something like a coupla k's ?
Chaaaang-Noi: he was doing like 5 differnt projects at once
mircea_popescu: i meant the bank thingee.
Chaaaang-Noi: i wonder how much matthew got out of this
Chaaaang-Noi: other than the trip to iceland
mircea_popescu: but seriously guyse, apart from patrickharnett's, what other serious banks are out there ?
usagi: Given how much customer money I have under management, my fund will eat the loss on behalf of my customers
usagi: They won't notice the loss.
usagi: .C will keep getting 8%+ a week until pirate crashes and that will be that
Chaaaang-Noi: pirate is saving a whole lot of peoples asses right now:)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35553 @ 0.00038108 = 13.5485 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so i take it no banks.
usagi: Sacre bleu!
usagi: Well Nyancat Financial is a bank, Mircea
mircea_popescu: who runs it ? where's description etc ?
Diablo-D3: usagi: I thought you went to bed?
usagi: I run it.
usagi: I can't sleep Diablo
Diablo-D3: too exciting?
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 is busy taking over mining world i gather :D
usagi: I had to fly to Shanghai really quick.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yup
usagi: Mircea; Website will be up and running soon
Diablo-D3: usagi: btw, I think I'm going to revise the trade deal tommorow
Diablo-D3: or maybe today
mircea_popescu: mkay so i'm about to offer a proper CD, three tiered.
Diablo-D3: require 15 mhash per trade
mircea_popescu: if anyone knows of bond issuers that are neither pirate nor mining exposed, and owned by really well known supertrustworthy people i wanna hear.
usagi: A three tiered CD?
mircea_popescu: yes.
usagi: mircea: http://tensionhead26.deviantart.com/art/Black-Sabbath-devil-34718908
Diablo-D3: usagi: see pm.
mircea_popescu: yes, i am devil.
teek: two of my bonds are not pirate or mining exposed
teek: there are others
usagi: TEEK.A is fully guaranteed
mircea_popescu: lettuce look into this teek.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00036438 = 1.5304 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: teek : 10k issued 586 total volume since day 1 ?
Diablo-D3: usagi: see pm now.
teek: mircea_popescu: something like that.. seems the interest is too low, everyone wants pirate rates
teek: :P
mircea_popescu: i hear you.
usagi: It's the same with nyan, everyone buys .c, NO ONE buys .a or even .b
usagi: And if I close sales... the price shoots up, and no one buys a or b
usagi: thats stupid
mircea_popescu: the ideea here is that im tranching 500 btc of mpoe bonds (yielding ~5% per month) + 500 btc of harnett's (yielding 1% per week).
mircea_popescu: i can't paste that with stuff doing 0.3% per week, even tho i understand that 15% pa is significant.
teek: tranching?
Luceo: mircea_popescu: If you offer 15% outside bitcoin they'd call it a HYIP :P
mircea_popescu: you know how cd's work right ?
Luceo: or a ponzi
Luceo: in Bitcoin its too low :D
mircea_popescu: Luceo and for a good reason.
mircea_popescu: i fully understand this, and it's ap roblem, but it can't be resolved overnight.
mircea_popescu: there must be a popped ponzi first for people to learn.
Luceo: People still wont learn :/
usagi: Lol
usagi: I can't access google docs in China
usagi: wtf
Luceo: Use a VPN :D
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 15 @ 1.02 = 15.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 10 @ 0.125 = 1.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 5 @ 1 = 5 BTC [+]
teek: mircea_popescu: i just read the wiki on tranching but am a little fuzzy.. can you explain how it works here?
mircea_popescu: one sec i'll fish up a link
mircea_popescu: teek https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?;topic=76515.0
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 9 @ 0.04999999 = 0.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 1.12 = 2.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 2 @ 0.14040001 = 0.2808 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 71 @ 0.1404 = 9.9684 BTC [-]
usagi: bidwall is up on nyan.a if anyone wants out
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.13 = 1.3 BTC [+]
usagi: ASICMINER going to .5 :p
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00037287 = 5.2575 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: im afraid this is going to be a pump and dump
usagi: I will certainly sell at .5
usagi: Maybe a little at .3
usagi: 1-3-5-8-13
usagi: price points.
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 5 @ 1.0001 = 5.0005 BTC [-]
usagi: The reason why is because each price point represents a new wave of investors after the old wave has covered their risk
DeaDTerra: evening people :)
mircea_popescu: <usagi> 1-3-5-8-13 < what's this ?
usagi: The next wave will take it to .3 when it sinks into the market that ASICMINER is real
mircea_popescu: heya DeaDTerra
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 7 @ 1.0001 = 7.0007 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 23 @ 1 = 23 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 93 @ 0.1047 = 9.7371 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 7 @ 0.1048 = 0.7336 BTC [+]
usagi: Then greedy people will rush in and the original investors will sell at .5
usagi: Then it will go back to .3 then up to .8 again, but that might not happen for over a year
usagi: Just technical analysis price points
usagi: wave analysis etc
DeaDTerra: Selling ASICMINER shares :) Pm me if you are interested!
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 50 @ 1 = 50 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.999 = 2.997 BTC [-]
teek: mircea_popescu: i think i get it, thanks for the info.. so out of curiosity why would mixing something at .3% and something at 1% not be desirable?
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 17 @ 0.987 = 16.779 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.986 = 2.958 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 76 @ 0.98501 = 74.8608 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.985 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: teek you either mix things of the same risk and varying rewards to arbitrage reward
mircea_popescu: or things of the same reward and varying risks to arbitrage risk
mircea_popescu: my ideea is that nobody currently has an inkling as to risk measurements in btc world
mircea_popescu: so that'd be what i want to offer.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46372 @ 0.00037287 = 17.2907 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 22 @ 0.04999999 = 1.1 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: how do I do the purple thing? :(
teek: mircea_popescu, still a little confused.. so in this case harnett would be the senior tranche thus offering the least reward, then mpoe, then you need some others in there or?
mircea_popescu: no
mircea_popescu: if you wait a few minutes i'll show you the actual contract.
mircea_popescu: putting the finishing touches on it nao.
teek: sure, now i just want to understand it :)
Chaaaang-Noi: $12.34
teek: ;;ticker
gribble: Best bid: 12.32479, Best ask: 12.3248, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 12.32479, 24 hour volume: 47868, 24 hour low: 11.7555, 24 hour high: 12.34
teek: holy craapola
teek: cmon btc! daddy needs a new set of gpus!
teek: ;)
Chaaaang-Noi: lol
Chaaaang-Noi: want me to send you a second box full of 21 gpus? :)
DeaDTerra: What has pirate changed his rates to?
DeaDTerra: and is there a official announcement yet?
teek: lol
teek: naw i think im good for now :P
teek: DeaDTerra, 5% top tier
DeaDTerra: hm that sucks :(
DeaDTerra: I just got started with all of this :P
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 790 @ 0.00112057 = 0.8853 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 9410 @ 0.00112095 = 10.5481 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 2 @ 0.04999999 = 0.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 23 @ 0.04999999 = 1.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 27 @ 0.05 = 1.35 BTC [+]
Chaaaang-Noi: 5% a week is still freaking awesome
DeaDTerra: It is but not as good at 7% xD
teek: yeah yeah mr top tier
teek: :P
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 4 @ 0.05 = 0.2 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: Greedy maybe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106 @ 0.00038108 = 0.0404 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23390 @ 0.00038129 = 8.9184 BTC [+]
Chaaaang-Noi: its not hard to get 4.8 or 4.9% with a bit of trust :)
mircea_popescu: actually, my lower tier will do 9%.
mircea_popescu: just give me a second here to finish this :D
assbot: [GLBSE] [JTME] 1 @ 0.9 BTC [-]
usagi: I hope your not copying Nyancat Financial :P)
usagi: It's weird. Every time I list a new security, 2 or 3 pop up just like it
mircea_popescu: haha i think i have dibs on cdo's usagi
DeaDTerra: hahahah xD
mircea_popescu: see the link i sent to teek above, it's from april lol
usagi: Mmm
DeaDTerra: I get 5% :) and I got 7% before, though I was not heavily invested into Pirate, but I am convinced now.
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-PI] 1 @ 1.539 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 14 @ 1 = 14 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 19 @ 0.05 = 0.95 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 2 @ 1.048 = 2.096 BTC [+]
MoneyIsDebt: JAH div payout missing... Hmm...
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 2 @ 0.98 = 1.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 3 @ 0.98 = 2.94 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PPT.DIV] 1 @ 0.575 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 43 @ 1.51 = 64.93 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: Did pirate pay this weekends interest fully (7%)
kakobrekla: yes
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 9 @ 1 = 9 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 1 @ 1.048 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 6 @ 1.049 = 6.294 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 10 @ 1.0499 = 10.499 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 8 @ 1.05 = 8.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 4 @ 1.0699 = 4.2796 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 16 @ 1.07 = 17.12 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: okay good :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.986 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 12 @ 0.985 = 11.82 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 8 @ 0.98135 = 7.8508 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.9803 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.9803 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 16 @ 0.9802 = 15.6832 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 15 @ 0.9801 = 14.7015 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 49 @ 0.98 = 48.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.98 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 29 @ 0.9702 = 28.1358 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9701 = 3.8804 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 89 @ 0.97 = 86.33 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 73 @ 0.97 = 70.81 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 58 @ 0.99 = 57.42 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 83 @ 1.452 = 120.516 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: shit I think GLBSE crashed xD
DeaDTerra: I was going to get some cheak Pirate bonds :(
DeaDTerra: nvm up again
MoneyIsDebt: What makes you say you're now convinced?
teek: duffel bags full of cash of course
teek: :P
DeaDTerra: Several different aspects, Pirate showing that he's the manipulator, showing screenshots of him manipulating the market as well as doing it live.
usagi: lol
DeaDTerra: Showing up in person, which matches a previous picture of him.
DeaDTerra: talking to the people that meet him.
DeaDTerra: the actions of the people that meet him
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 2 @ 1.082 = 2.164 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12799 @ 0.00038076 = 4.8733 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15140 @ 0.00037115 = 5.6192 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28061 @ 0.00036172 = 10.1502 BTC [-]
MoneyIsDebt: Is he lowering rates because the price is so high now, it's harder to move it?
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 2 @ 0.98 = 1.96 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: The Bitcoin market become larger in volume hence harder to controll, he needs more capital to make the same amount hence the profit per BTC is less, hence he needs to reduce the interest rate.
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2790 @ 0.00112095 = 3.1275 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 9993 @ 0.00112262 = 11.2183 BTC [+]
MoneyIsDebt: I guess that makes sense... If that's how he makes the money
DeaDTerra: Of course you never know, and I am not saying it's not a risk. It's high risk high reward game.
DeaDTerra: The matter is by no way proven, but it's leaning enough for me to invest a good % of my capital into pirate
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 8 @ 0.1046 = 0.8368 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.4011 = 0.8022 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 7 @ 0.401 = 2.807 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.400001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 6 @ 0.4000001 = 2.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 200 @ 0.4 = 80 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 8 @ 0.39051 = 3.1241 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.3905 = 0.781 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 50 @ 0.3905 = 19.525 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 108 @ 0.3902 = 42.1416 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-B] 47 @ 0.1 = 4.7 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: !pl bitbond 0.6
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while).
assbot: BITBOND [1@0.6BTC] paid: 0.16332995 BTC. Last price: 0.3902 BTC. Capital gain: -0.2098 BTC. Total: -0.04647005 BTC. (-7.7%)
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 8 @ 0.39 = 3.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 8 @ 0.3851 = 3.0808 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.22 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.22 = 1.98 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: Looking to buy Pirate bonds/assets for anyone that want out, and I am looking to sell ASICMINER shares :)
Ignatius-otc: Paying par on bonds or? How much are you selling asic shares for?
assbot: [GLBSE] [PPT.DIV] 3 @ 0.575 = 1.725 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: Paying par on bonds or? waht do you mean?
DeaDTerra: ASIC it depends on volume but pm me for a price ;)
assbot: [GLBSE] [JAH] 2 @ 0.159899 = 0.3198 BTC [+]
Ignatius-otc: The bonds are generally 1 btc each. Are you offering 1btc for such bonds or less?
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 2 @ 1.44100011 = 2.882 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 3 @ 1.42000011 = 4.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 31 @ 1.42 = 44.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 4 @ 1.42 = 5.68 BTC [-]
usagi: *** YARR: Dividend changed to 0.005/day until we get an announcement from pirate
DeaDTerra: 1 BTC each
DeaDTerra: or maybe a bit less
DeaDTerra: depending if the Interest rates are already paid out and what the market looks like
assbot: [GLBSE] [M.ETF] 4 @ 0.15 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.104599 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 33 @ 0.12 = 3.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.112 = 1.12 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: alrighty so. ANNOUNCEMENT : introducing MPCD.A, .B and .C
mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex.php
mircea_popescu: go read the contract and have fun trading!
mircea_popescu: taking any questions.
DeaDTerra: Wow creative... I think I have heard about that before... something about a cat
usagi: Lol
mircea_popescu: a cat ?
usagi: Lol DT I know, like I said
DeaDTerra: Maybe a NyanCat? or maybe it wasn't a cat at all just Nyan. yea just Nyan
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?;topic=76515.0 << APRIL omg.
mircea_popescu: and btw, pinging teek.
usagi: No one is saying they invented the CDO
usagi: Just seems strange 2 days after I explained NYAN to you, this comes out :p
usagi: Kind of like TYGRR.BOND-PI and yarr but hey
usagi: It's a big market, I'm not the only fast food restaurant
kakobrekla: mpoe bonds are fixed at 4.9?
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 5000 @ 0.001 = 5 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C100T] 1 @ 0.25910304 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla currently fixed at 5% kakobrekla
mircea_popescu: dude srsly. this was announced ~4 months ago!
kakobrekla: lolwhat
usagi: No one is saying they invented a CDO
eennaam: start a niche market with regular speed food restaurant , or hell even slow food
mircea_popescu: as in can't go over 5%
usagi: I'm just ribbing you mircea. But I doubt you will pay 15% like you said
mircea_popescu: 9% ? why not ?
usagi: 9%, right
usagi: Because it's too imbalanced
usagi: You're paying 2x the value of the highest known paying security
usagi: What kind of guarantee are you offering?
mircea_popescu: well that is the very point of a cdo.
usagi: for the top trance?
usagi: It's too much pressure. You will have to limit sales.
mircea_popescu: the top pays 2. the bottom pays 9.
usagi: Then the price will shoot up and investors will not realize 9%
BTCHero: aww all the asicminer is gone
mircea_popescu: sales are limited. did you read the contract ?
usagi: No
usagi: lol
usagi: Well sales are limited, right
usagi: I should probably do that too
usagi: Henceforth NYAN.C is limited to 3,000 outstanding
usagi: GET IT WHILE YOU CAN
mircea_popescu: cdos are limited by their very nature.
mircea_popescu: lol!
kakobrekla: hm imho clean mpoe bonds is better deal than A or B
usagi: quick im logging in now to cancel the ask
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well possibly, depends on your risk profile et all.
mircea_popescu: A has practically no risk i would guess.
kakobrekla: i dont see how A can have less risk than MPOE bond if its operated by you on the end
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.B] 80000 @ 0.001 = 80 BTC
mircea_popescu: well mpoe bond can either not kick in (if people offer lower interest)
mircea_popescu: or lese it could get hosed if people buy options and get lucky.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00038129 = 6.1388 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 12 @ 1 = 12 BTC [+]
brendio: MPOE bonds loose if MPOE makes a loss. For A to lose, one and possibly more of MPOE bonds, Patrick and NYAN would need to makes losses.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 56 @ 0.98 = 54.88 BTC [-]
BTCHero: patrick starfish
mircea_popescu: A is 400 out of a 1.1k pool.
BTCHero: ?
mircea_popescu: either mpoe or patrick would have to completely wipeout
mircea_popescu: and then some
mircea_popescu: yes BTCHero
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22110 @ 0.00038129 = 8.4303 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22390 @ 0.000383 = 8.5754 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: tbh i don't think there exists more secure anything than .A atm.
teek: mircea_popescu, the %'s for a,b,c are these arbitrary #'s you decide or is there some math behind them?
usagi: nyan.a is guaranteed by bitcoins held in an offline paper wallet.
mircea_popescu: teek i just picked numbers.
mircea_popescu: pretty much want to see what market says.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 188 @ 0.003828 = 0.7197 BTC [-]
teek: i see
teek: usagi, this isn't really the same as nyan
usagi: there are three, chain-default tiers for which the interest paid is declared by fiat out of a pool, and not related to the underlying value of the funds?
usagi: Actually I think she mentioned there are 2 tiers
mircea_popescu: who's she ? and whether there's 2 or 18 is not really too important.
usagi: Well teek, didn't you actually invented the first CDO you know, teek.A and teek.B?
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 1 = 3 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ARS] 5 @ 0.009 = 0.045 BTC [-]
teek: i am honestly not sure, but teek.a and teek.b really have no relation other than name
teek: so if what mircea_popescu is doing is a cdo then no
mircea_popescu: i think it's pretty much by the book a cdo.
kakobrekla: someone should make a cdo from all pirate insured offers
mircea_popescu: that might be a great ideea actually.
mircea_popescu: tranche it 10/20/30/40 in 4 tiers
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 2 @ 0.99 = 1.98 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.94 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JTME] 1 @ 0.99899 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the only difference, teek, might be that in general cdos are based on fixed rate investments, which arguably mpoe bonds aren't, or at least eskimobob so argues.
smickles: oooh, i see some nifty bonds
mircea_popescu: o hai.
patrickharnett: yes, there is a lurking starfish
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 40 @ 0.05 = 2 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.9999 = 2.9997 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: patrickharnett so i guess this has the side advantage to you that you know when you'll be asked to repay : 30th of october or thereabouts.
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.05 BTC [+]
patrickharnett: I didn't notice the 30'th date - wouldn't be a problem anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32810 @ 0.000383 = 12.5662 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: well since the bonds die and repay on the 1st of nov
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18714 @ 0.00038423 = 7.1905 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 797 @ 0.00039267 = 0.313 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5615 @ 0.00039477 = 2.2166 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it'd be a few days prior.
patrickharnett: it's only 500+interest, it's not lots
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 1.1375 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: not this time.
mircea_popescu: if these are successfull any i will make larger ones.
smickles: ciuciu: you're really hung up on that, arn't you?
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.A] 120000 @ 0.001 = 120 BTC
smickles: oh, i didn't realize that
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 1.0201 = 3.0603 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.9999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-PI] 1 @ 1.539 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 5 @ 1.02 = 5.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 10 @ 1.011 = 10.11 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <assbot> [GLBSE] [DMC] 4 @ 0.05 = 0.2 BTC [+] wait a second. didn;t that start at 1.0 !?
mircea_popescu: MoneyIsDebt who's JAH ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 4 @ 0.0999 = 0.3996 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 3 @ 0.10274699 = 0.3082 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 5 @ 1.135 = 5.675 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: Go with Kluge :)
DeaDTerra: that's what I did, nice guy and very trustable
MoneyIsDebt: Mining bond. Pays daily, always at exact time. Skipped once only - today. But it was explained on the forum
mircea_popescu: a ok
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 1.13849 = 2.277 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: didn't kludge get burned a yet undisclosed ammt over the owens/zip/rebate fiasco recently ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 16 @ 0.05 = 0.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 1.125 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 1.08909 = 2.1782 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIPPT] 3 @ 1.13 = 3.39 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIPPT] 9 @ 1.195 = 10.755 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIPPT] 12 @ 1.2 = 14.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9901 = 3.9604 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 2 @ 0.99 = 1.98 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.99 = 3.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 12 @ 0.98 = 11.76 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 3 @ 0.861 = 2.583 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00037473 = 5.8083 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3278 @ 0.00036172 = 1.1857 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9469 @ 0.0003552 = 3.3634 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6453 @ 0.00034738 = 2.2416 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCS] 3 @ 0.00965 = 0.029 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCS] 47 @ 0.0095 = 0.4465 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.19999 = 4.9998 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21524 @ 0.00039477 = 8.497 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18114 @ 0.00039502 = 7.1554 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: I think a lot of us learnt from the whole JRO mess, At least I know that I learnt a lot.
DeaDTerra: I have actually added a couple of rules to my investment rules book ^^ to prevent it happening again
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 2 @ 1.39 = 2.78 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: are they public?
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 38 @ 0.98 = 37.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9719 = 3.8876 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 18 @ 0.971 = 17.478 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JAH] 1 @ 0.159899 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [UDN] 1 @ 0.092 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 137 @ 0.00112262 = 0.1538 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2063 @ 0.00112821 = 2.3275 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.1028 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 1 @ 0.08999999 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: Anyone want to buy ASICMINER shares? ^^
assbot: [GLBSE] [JTME] 1 @ 0.99898 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P130T] 3 @ 0.20079244 = 0.6024 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P100N] 1 @ 0.16948855 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: Good night guys! if anyone want anything pm/email me and I will answer asap
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 17500 @ 0.001 = 17.5 BTC
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.9999 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: damnit
Diablo-D3: deadterra left
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 1.08520001 = 4.3408 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 70 @ 1.08510001 = 75.957 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 10 @ 1.0851 = 10.851 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 1.08000001 = 2.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 100 @ 1.07 = 107 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 5 @ 1.0625 = 5.3125 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 1.050001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 1.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 1.05 = 3.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 1.01200011 = 3.036 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 7 @ 1.012 = 7.084 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 1 = 2 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: mk so i have 8 confirms, i click check deposit in glbse and nothing happens
mircea_popescu: is this customary ?
Ignatius-otc: no,click it again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00038279 = 5.2442 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: nothing ;/
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 10 @ 0.10455 = 1.0455 BTC [-]
Obsi: that happens sometimes
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.94 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 3 @ 0.945 = 2.835 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.95 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: how long does it ususally take to resolve Obsi ?
Obsi: if you click it incessantly until the deposit shows up it helps to make you feel productive
Obsi: not long usually 10 mins or so
mircea_popescu: its been maybe half hour
Ignatius-otc: I haven't had it take longer than 6 confirms eprsonally.
Obsi: I've had it not show after 7-8 confirms, then show up on the next one after I clicked the check for deposit button
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 100000 @ 0.001 = 100 BTC
mircea_popescu: well im at 11 confirms already
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: ok that did it
Obsi: wow, never had it go that far
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.99989999 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-PI] 1 @ 1.539 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lets make usagi happy nao.
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.A] 100 @ 1 = 100 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 1 @ 1.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7186 @ 0.00039502 = 2.8386 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6214 @ 0.0003965 = 2.4639 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 27 @ 0.05 = 1.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.99989999 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.A] 5 @ 1 = 5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.1MHS] 21 @ 0.07654 = 1.6073 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 20 @ 0.10459 = 2.0918 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 21 @ 0.10274699 = 2.1577 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 17 @ 0.102747 = 1.7467 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGA.CONTRACT] 1 @ 0.167 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.10459 = 0.3138 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGA.CONTRACT] 3 @ 0.16789 = 0.5037 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 50 @ 0.99 = 49.5 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: hmm interesting
Diablo-D3: btc-mining would be 1:9 DMC
mircea_popescu: smickles no, i just don't patronize places where idiots like gmaxwell are allowed to run wild.
Diablo-D3: thats at the new 15mh/share trade rate
usagi: 370/15 = 9.
PsychoticBoy: you are slowly killing your company Diablo + a lot of other GLBSE assets too, since your stupid asicminer swap
Harvey00: U mad bro?
mircea_popescu: what's the story here ?
PsychoticBoy: dmc share worth NOTHING
Harvey00: U jelly?
Diablo-D3: PsychoticBoy: if you say so
PsychoticBoy: ok 0.05 is not nothing but also not the 1 btc you started with
BTC-Mining: ah, Diablo keeps changing the rate at which he accepts shares
nefario: you know
nefario: it's really hard to speak
mircea_popescu: why ?
nefario: with a dick in your mouth
PsychoticBoy: lol
BTC-Mining: As usual, only considers hashing for trading, not BTC price
mircea_popescu: no nefario we didn't know that :D
nefario: your timing was perfect
PsychoticBoy: I am sooooo sorry for the people who bought your share at 1 btc :(
usagi: Well look at BMF, we bought YABMC at 0.30 (or was it 0.40)
PsychoticBoy: knowing now its worth not a thing
mircea_popescu: is this a case of miners not understanding finance ?
usagi: Mining bonds are inherrently a bad investment
usagi: Yeah pretty much mircea
PsychoticBoy: thats the market that killed yabmc, diablo is killing dmc
usagi: You can buy mining bonds at 0.1/mhash now, do you know why?
mircea_popescu: cause they're worth about that ?
usagi: Nope
usagi: because of OBSI.1MHS.
usagi: Selling out at 0.1
mircea_popescu: ...
PsychoticBoy: because everybody thinks asics are comes. MARK MY WORDS: NO asics before 2013
mircea_popescu: PsychoticBoy that may very well be true actually.
BTC-Mining: End of 2012, 2013, 2014
usagi: Now, step 2 beyond obsi, is asicminer
BTC-Mining: All seems very soon to me
usagi: asicminer is selling mhash for less than 0.01/mhash
usagi: You can either capitalize on that or die
mircea_popescu: i think few people comprehend the intricacies of getting a foundry to do a run.
PsychoticBoy: asicminer will not develop any asics before 2013 either
mircea_popescu: this "can do" attitude has gotten people in a ridiculous position.
usagi: There are multiple companies with 2012 release dates
mircea_popescu: doing an asic run is actually of the complexity level of releasing a blockbuster movie.
PsychoticBoy: yep BFL will not meet their requirements
PsychoticBoy: also asicminer wont finish before 2013
BTC-Mining: You are all assuming BFL had not started/worked on this privately long before announcing the ASICs
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining bfl has not the money to do this.
PsychoticBoy: uhhh BFL always fuks up their costumers
BTC-Mining: You can't even know that, technically
mircea_popescu: an asic run is in the 50-100mn range as the absolut minimum. they don't have 50 mn.
usagi: Lots of VC is moving into bitcoin now, I am willing to bet there's at least one secret competitor
mircea_popescu: yes, i can know how much money any company has.
mircea_popescu: this is why i'm paid to do consulting.
mircea_popescu: irl.
usagi: What about 130nm?
usagi: ASICMINER is 130 isn't it?
Diablo-D3: ssh usagi.
Diablo-D3: let the trolls have their fun
mircea_popescu: what 130nm ? im talking millions us$.
usagi: Well mircea I am doing an interview with friedcat right now
BTC-Mining: That's impossible mircea, except for publicly traded companies who have public financial statements
usagi: Do you have any questions for him?
mircea_popescu: i don't right off know who that is
Diablo-D3: =|
usagi: friedcat = ASICMINER
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining not really impossible. sometimes difficult.
mircea_popescu: o o. i don't think so, not atm.
usagi: Mircea you seem a little out of touch with the market these days, no offense
mircea_popescu: i don't see what the offense'd be.
usagi: Well you run an exchange I guess your busy hehe
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.17 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: im not too busy to know the semiconductor trade, but anyway.
usagi: I'm under the impression you could go to any of 50 companies with a design and have them print it
usagi: They have a design
usagi: It's actually not that difficult, just a lot of sha cores right
usagi: like 50 or 100 i imagine, on a chip
usagi: no idea really
mircea_popescu: you're under a wrong impression.
mircea_popescu: what you describe is true of fpgas
mircea_popescu: which are specifically made to exist as prototyping units.
mircea_popescu: asics are large and expensive runs. just the set-up cost for the foundry to do an asic run can be 10mn.
mircea_popescu: and i never heard of foundry runs for less than millions of units.
Diablo-D3: I have
mircea_popescu: sony regularly does billion-dollar runs
Diablo-D3: its not uncommon.
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 there are some cheaper variants to set up that deliver dubious product, as in, the economies of scale don't get to play much
usagi: I see a lot of small companies around 10-100 million that do small runs
mircea_popescu: and you can end up with significant bad chip rates.
usagi: eSillicon signed apple when they only had a market cap of like 75 million
mircea_popescu: to cut this entire story short : i think any of the btc companies are well meaning, and i think asics will eventually come
Diablo-D3: its hard to get a bad chip rate on 130nm nowadays
Diablo-D3: especially with pre-existing IP.
mircea_popescu: i do not believe any of them has the wherewithal to pull it off this year.
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 these are all new designs really.
mircea_popescu: we don't know jack shit of the resonances etc.
Diablo-D3: they're not as new as you think they are.
mircea_popescu: are you telling me any of the asic proposing companies actually BOUGHT an already ran design ?
Diablo-D3: Im not telling you anything.
Diablo-D3: What I am doing is going to bed
Diablo-D3: night all
mircea_popescu: nn.
mircea_popescu: usagi : a. esillicon does not own or run foundries, they mostly manage other people's runs b. bfl has no 75 mn mkt cap.
usagi: Yes, they are fabless hehe
usagi: The thing is this isn't 23nm
usagi: it's 130
mircea_popescu: to put it in perspective : we're discussing the efficient moving of coal, and somebody proposes they will do it by car and shows that their cousin who is a cab driver drives a cab on a yearly budget of 10k.
mircea_popescu: sure. however...
usagi: I have exact cost numbers for you
usagi: But you will have to wait until the interview.
mircea_popescu: usagi : yes, ideally they could get lucky and catch some production hole or something
mircea_popescu: this'd mean an insider or two being on the board and helping out.
usagi: wink wink
usagi: One of the major shifts we have seen in the last several months
usagi: is that bitcoin based busiesses are no longer one man shows.
mircea_popescu: understand : these are high risk propositions, the ideea we'll get rich because we're sparrows and find a crumb some ogre lefrt behind.
usagi: The most successful ones are all multiperson now
mircea_popescu: maybe we get the crumb, maybe we get the club.
usagi: Yep
mircea_popescu: mpex was multiperson since day one.
mircea_popescu: that bitcoin consultancy disaster has been multiperson for abnout as long
usagi: Thats why I have only invested about 2-3% into asicminer
usagi: That being said it's my top holding
usagi: Bitcoin consultancy, JRO?
usagi: or is that bitcoinina
usagi: I've lost track of all the failures
usagi: All of those failures are because one person had too much control over a business
usagi: For example the JRO stuff. Why was there no treasurer?
usagi: You can't seriously run a business without a treasurer or a dead man's switch nowadays
mircea_popescu: bitcoin consultancy was bitcoinica/intersango and i guess glsbe
mircea_popescu: or they've separated now or i dunno
usagi: What we should do is make a list of questions, designed to expose the failures of the past,
mircea_popescu: this would be a worthy ideea.
usagi: Hmm, and use that list somehow
usagi: Just simple innocuous questions
usagi: like, how many employees does your company have
usagi: (If the answer is zero, it's not much of a business is it)
mircea_popescu: maybe it is. most miners seem to be loners.
mircea_popescu: does gigavps have employees ?
usagi: I actually employ four people (i.e. pay them) although they're all part time :<
usagi: He must have someone to do something with that many GPUs
usagi: But it raises the issue, do we really need another 5ghs miner startup
usagi: Gigamining has a huge market cap so it's a little different they can buy their way in, but if I were to buy a single and start a company
usagi: Hmmm, maybe thats not a good idea anymore.
area: Giga has two farms right?
mircea_popescu: if not three
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P120T] 2 @ 0.13105082 = 0.2621 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 1 @ 1.0049 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOVETO.FUND] 1 @ 1.14999999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 20 @ 0.1028 = 2.056 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMF] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 2 @ 1 = 2 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 100 @ 0.035001 = 3.5001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 200 @ 0.035 = 7 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 1 = 4 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-A] 1 @ 0.153 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 23 @ 0.1199 = 2.7577 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 20 @ 0.12 = 2.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.0003965 = 1.705 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 43 @ 0.121 = 5.203 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.0003965 = 10.8641 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-B] 46 @ 0.1 = 4.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23494 @ 0.00039172 = 9.2031 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12206 @ 0.00038892 = 4.7472 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 65 @ 0.11 = 7.15 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: Still selling ASICMINER
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 4 @ 0.08 = 0.32 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RSM] 2 @ 0.26 = 0.52 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9901 = 3.9604 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 5 @ 0.99 = 4.95 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 7 @ 0.985 = 6.895 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.98112012 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.98112 = 2.9434 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.98101 = 3.924 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 17 @ 0.981 = 16.677 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 13 @ 0.981 = 12.753 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 2 @ 0.98 = 1.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.971 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 45 @ 0.97 = 43.65 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 15 @ 0.97 = 14.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 15 @ 0.1171 = 1.7565 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 2 @ 1.0101 = 2.0202 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 5 @ 1.01 = 5.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 1 @ 1.0025 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 39 @ 1.002 = 39.078 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 5 @ 1.0002 = 5.001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 25 @ 1.0001 = 25.0025 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 123 @ 1 = 123 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50200 @ 0.0003965 = 19.9043 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: why are people panicing so much xD
DeaDTerra: so sell of a bond that's worth 1 BTC for less just due to a interest decrease is crazy :P
mircea_popescu: speculation is speculation.
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 20 @ 0.1199 = 2.398 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6600 @ 0.00108634 = 7.1698 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4435 @ 0.0003965 = 1.7585 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.HASH.C10TH] 150000 @ 0.00017429 = 26.1435 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: I guess people are thinking pirate will default soon in which case they would be useless.
DeaDTerra: which I guess might be the case
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2500 @ 0.00111592 = 2.7898 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 176 @ 0.00112697 = 0.1983 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.955 = 2.865 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9505 = 3.802 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 76 @ 0.95 = 72.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 200 @ 0.108 = 21.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 200 @ 0.107 = 21.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2824 @ 0.00112697 = 3.1826 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1331 @ 0.00112821 = 1.5016 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 3 @ 0.9751 = 2.9253 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 100 @ 0.975 = 97.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 7 @ 0.97000004 = 6.79 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 3 @ 0.97000002 = 2.91 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 13 @ 0.97 = 12.61 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 2 @ 0.97 = 1.94 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 7 @ 0.104599 = 0.7322 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIF.BTCST.PPT] 4 @ 1.025 = 4.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.HASH.C10TH] 150000 @ 0.000775 = 116.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.A] 15000 @ 0.001 = 15 BTC
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 2 @ 0.9999 = 1.9998 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 7777 @ 0.001 = 7.777 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.B] 60000 @ 0.001 = 60 BTC
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 2 @ 0.92 = 1.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.1199 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.05 = 0.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52200 @ 0.00039449 = 20.5924 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 300 @ 0.105 = 31.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2532 @ 0.00112821 = 2.8566 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2585 @ 0.00113235 = 2.9271 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 2 @ 0.92 = 1.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 6 @ 0.4255 = 2.553 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12451 @ 0.00038892 = 4.8424 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4817 @ 0.0003874 = 1.8661 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 15 @ 0.1171 = 1.7565 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 5 @ 0.117 = 0.585 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.HASH.C10TH] 150000 @ 0.0001716 = 25.74 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00039449 = 0.9862 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.0003965 = 0.7534 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: whoa going to 12.5
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: Best bid: 12.405, Best ask: 12.44999, Bid-ask spread: 0.04499, Last trade: 12.44999, 24 hour volume: 46501, 24 hour low: 11.925, 24 hour high: 12.4799
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREASIC] 3 @ 0.7 = 2.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5900 @ 0.00111945 = 6.6048 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.1MHS] 1 @ 0.075 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59504 @ 0.0003965 = 23.5933 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 400 @ 0.105 = 42 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9531001 = 3.8124 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 88 @ 0.003828 = 0.3369 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 1.0201 = 4.0804 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 16 @ 1.02 = 16.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 13 @ 1.46 = 18.98 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 1.02 = 4.08 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 2 @ 1.46 = 2.92 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 1 @ 1.068 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 4 @ 1.069 = 4.276 BTC [+]
usagi: it's the bullion effect
usagi: but for bitcoins
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 75 @ 0.05899999 = 4.425 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00039322 = 2.3986 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABIF] 1 @ 1 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.104 = 0.728 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.1035 = 0.7245 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.103 = 0.412 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.1023 = 2.046 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.102 = 0.51 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.10100001 = 5.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.1001 = 1.8018 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 289 @ 0.1 = 28.9 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: huhu
DeaDTerra: ASICMINER shares anyone?
DeaDTerra: I really want a GLBSE app for android :(
kakobrekla: ill takes asicminer of 0.1
kakobrekla: for
DeaDTerra: Kako sure how many?
gigavps: ciuciu why don't you PM him
gigavps: o
gigavps: well
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.0003965 = 2.1015 BTC [+]
gigavps: maybe you should use your 1k btc for your mining coop
DeaDTerra: or give it to me? I am always a fan of charity xD
gigavps: lol
gigavps: i get no benefit from gigamining being traded
gigavps: i fulfill the contract as written
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 6 @ 0.3999 = 2.3994 BTC [-]
gigavps: no
DeaDTerra: haha nah xD I was just joking, I am fine
gigavps: i don't keep up with sock puppet accounts on the forums
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]
gigavps: mpoe-pr is a sock puppet account for Mr. Popescu ☟︎
gigavps: i don't have a sock puppet account and can speak for myself just fine
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.058999 BTC [-]
usagi: Technically a sock puppet account is created to confuse an issue
usagi: I don't really think it's proper to call a -PR account a sock puppet
usagi: Yeah but anyone who is anyone knows it is him
usagi: it's not like he is trying to hide under an anonymous name
usagi: Oh.. look
usagi: Pirate lost his bet with Vandroiy
usagi: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=91661.msg1013589#msg1013589
usagi: "...as long as there is advance notice of at least 30 calendar days"
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 2 @ 0.92 = 1.84 BTC [-]
usagi: "I have no doubt that John Ciuciu citizen, working man without a dick presented identity documents found on the internet and other hard evidence, clear and indisputable fact that investors will realize the benefits Ciuciu and receive money back from Ciuciu."
usagi: lol
usagi: So ciuciu did you end up buying any YARR or NYAN? :)
usagi: o_o
usagi: So it was you :)
usagi: I think I am gonna shut YARR down somehow, or sell it
usagi: PPT was sold, FOO.PPPPT was sold
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 7 @ 0.058999 = 0.413 BTC [-]
usagi: I should be able to sell YARR
usagi: But.. no buyers
usagi: Now that pirate lowered his rates, running YARR has become more profitable than investing in pirate.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 20 @ 0.125 = 2.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 6 @ 0.4255 = 2.553 BTC [+]
Harvey00: I gave somebody 77 Bitcoins in 2010 for nothing.
Harvey00: Let's see if I can track them down today and tell them about their winnings.
mircea_popescu: maybe they're heroic bitcoins, they made it through the mtgox hack, and all the later hacks
mircea_popescu: yea, somebody should write a novel of bitcoin, about this one satoshi that was in ALL the scams, in all the hacks, in all of it.
mircea_popescu: seems like a great premise.
usagi: tHERE ARE A MILLION BITS IN THE NAKED WALLET.
usagi: oops caps
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 5 @ 0.961 = 4.805 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 10 @ 0.96 = 9.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 5 @ 0.9532 = 4.766 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.9531002 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.9530002 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 7 @ 0.952 = 6.664 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.951 = 2.853 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 15 @ 0.950001 = 14.25 BTC [-]
usagi: And this one was mine. It all started one day in 1996. This is the story of one Satoshi -- the Satoshi that knew too much. Although if one were to be intellectually honest one would have to mention that Satoshis are not sentient and can't really know anything. It's just a manner of speaking. Yes, it's reification, but there is a method to the madness. And this Satoshi had seen and done it all.
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2500 @ 0.00109248 = 2.7312 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4100 @ 0.00108473 = 4.4474 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4616 @ 0.00107944 = 4.9827 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4000 @ 0.00107912 = 4.3165 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 15000 @ 0.00107865 = 16.1798 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8558 @ 0.00107486 = 9.1987 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1100 @ 0.00107418 = 1.1816 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 400 @ 0.00107311 = 0.4292 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 13226 @ 0.00106687 = 14.1104 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.B] 1337 @ 0.001 = 1.337 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 1337 @ 0.001 = 1.337 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.A] 1337 @ 0.001 = 1.337 BTC
usagi: Five thousand miles away from Japan, in a city known as "New York", a man ordered a cup of coffee. He paid for it with a dollar. Little did he know that due to the butterfly effect, five thousand miles away from New York in a country called "Japan", a young Englishman pretending to be Japanese had come up with a genius idea. Or perhaps it was the hundredth monkey theory. The point is that the man who bought the coffee was a computer
usagi: science grad who was interested in cryptography. And therefore, somehow, Satoshi Nakamoto KNEW WHAT HAD TO BE DONE.
usagi: I could keep going
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00039515 = 6.0063 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00038747 = 1.6661 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42262 @ 0.0003874 = 16.3723 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00038507 = 10.4739 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36600 @ 0.00038403 = 14.0555 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19801 @ 0.00038322 = 7.5881 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46900 @ 0.00038279 = 17.9529 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00037844 = 11.656 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56937 @ 0.00037557 = 21.3838 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: prolly works best with a plan first
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8163 @ 0.00037557 = 3.0658 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54600 @ 0.00037538 = 20.4957 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32237 @ 0.00037532 = 12.0992 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.104599 BTC [+]
area: The chapter titles following that satoshi should just be dates and how much BTC has been in all of the hacks described previously
area: So the date goes up, and the number of BTC goes down each time
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 4 @ 0.0099 = 0.0396 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 3 @ 0.0099 = 0.0297 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12265 @ 0.00037532 = 4.6033 BTC [-]
usagi: YARR paid!
mircea_popescu: gigavps well you're one of the rare breed that can master both forum and irc. i make no such claim.
mircea_popescu: the forum's too complicated for me.
area: usagi: Yay
gigavps: mircea_popescu lol
usagi: Yay indeed :)
gigavps: mircea_popescu i think you are smarter than you let on
gigavps: i just don't like dealing with your sock puppet
mircea_popescu: haha upon ocasion that wouldn't be too hard.
mircea_popescu: well so i don't see why you'd need to, you can get on irc.
usagi: area you know the funny thing?
usagi: YARR is profitable even if I continue to pay out 0.01 a day
usagi: Maybe I should.
usagi: I could probably sell shares at 2 :p
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 5 @ 1.49999999 = 7.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 1 @ 1.5 BTC [+]
area: Selling shares at 2 is no risk for you, so I don't see why you shouldn't
area: I just won't buy any ;-)
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5374 @ 0.00106687 = 5.7334 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2000 @ 0.00106208 = 2.1242 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2154 @ 0.00106008 = 2.2834 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [M.ETF] 1 @ 0.1499 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2263 @ 0.00111107 = 2.5144 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 11084 @ 0.00111343 = 12.3413 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1653 @ 0.00113235 = 1.8718 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.102 = 0.408 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.10111 = 0.3033 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.1011 = 0.3033 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 1.10979999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 13646 @ 0.00106008 = 14.4659 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2054 @ 0.00104464 = 2.1457 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 262 @ 0.00376708 = 0.987 BTC [-]
Chaaang-Noi: 12.50ish w00
mircea_popescu: yee
Chaaang-Noi: !ticker dmc
Chaaang-Noi: is it under .0001 yet? :)
assbot: [GLBSE:DMC] [Bid: 0.04] [Ask: 0.05899999] [Spread: 0.01899999] [Last: 0.058999] [24hVol: 165.69368925] [7dAvg: 0.05613795]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla, can you introduce ticker for mpex ?
Chaaang-Noi: it moved up
mircea_popescu: you'd have to read http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex-vwap.php, it's a json
mircea_popescu: and just parse for the symbol. it allows concurrency and goes pretty fast.
mircea_popescu: aww not even on.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell kakobrekla hey listen, can you introduce !ticker for mpex too ? you'd have to read http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex-vwap.php, it's a json and just parse for the symbol. it allows concurrency and goes pretty fast.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.9899 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CBGB] 1 @ 0.49999999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 10 @ 0.872 = 8.72 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 49 @ 0.871 = 42.679 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.B] 100000 @ 0.001 = 100 BTC
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 8 @ 0.9899 = 7.9192 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 10 @ 1.1009 = 11.009 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.99 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.104599 = 0.2092 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 33 @ 0.00900001 = 0.297 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 92 @ 0.009 = 0.828 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9701 = 3.8804 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 10 @ 0.104599 = 1.046 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CIUCIU.BOND] 100 @ 0.1 = 10 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMF] 4 @ 0.6701 = 2.6804 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMF] 10 @ 0.67 = 6.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMF] 7 @ 0.65 = 4.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [UDN] 1 @ 0.085 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PPT.E] 10 @ 1.23 = 12.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JAH] 10 @ 0.12 = 1.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [IBB] 1 @ 0.64 BTC
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 2 @ 0.9999 = 1.9998 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [UDN] 14 @ 0.085 = 1.19 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 6 @ 0.104599 = 0.6276 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ZETA-MINING] 4 @ 0.1501 = 0.6004 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ZETA-MINING] 2 @ 0.15 = 0.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ZETA-MINING] 44 @ 0.1341 = 5.9004 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 6 @ 1.069 = 6.414 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.9899 = 2.9697 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABIF] 2 @ 1 = 2 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: 15:13.19 ( usagi ) Pirate lost his bet with Vandroiy
kakobrekla: 15:13.30 ( ciuciu ) Yes, I saw it.
kakobrekla: 15:13.35 ( usagi ) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=91661.msg1013589#msg1013589
kakobrekla: did he pay'
kakobrekla: nanotube
kakobrekla: whats going on
farfi: nothing
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9899 = 3.9596 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.99 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: well thats helpful
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.99 = 2.97 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: haha nice way to make 100 btc nanotube :D
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 5 @ 0.05899999 = 0.295 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: i wonder how this will play out
mircea_popescu: why is the bet lost tho ? says there interest changes are ok.
farfi: I would say that both parties will aggree that the bet is still on
usagi: because there was less than 30 days notice.
kakobrekla: brb, dont talk too much
mircea_popescu: o that's a good point.
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOORE] 3 @ 0.51439 = 1.5432 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOORE] 12 @ 0.51449 = 6.1739 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JTME] 5 @ 0.99893 = 4.9947 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JTME] 3 @ 0.99895 = 2.9969 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JTME] 2 @ 0.99896 = 1.9979 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JTME] 2 @ 0.99897 = 1.9979 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: continiue.
mircea_popescu: did you get gribble tells ?
kakobrekla: yes, one.
kakobrekla: not home atm, will add in the following days
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 7 @ 0.4332 = 3.0324 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.4333 = 0.8666 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 10 @ 0.97 = 9.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 9 @ 0.975 = 8.775 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ZETA-MINING] 4 @ 0.1799 = 0.7196 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ZETA-MINING] 4 @ 0.18 = 0.72 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ZETA-MINING] 33 @ 0.185 = 6.105 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: a, no rush, just wanted to see if its doable.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 1.06989999 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 6 @ 1.06999999 = 6.42 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C080T] 3 @ 0.34590334 = 1.0377 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P100N] 2 @ 0.1599883 = 0.32 BTC [-]
jcpham: !pl ss 1
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while).
smickles: jcpham: or wait, what did you buy at? 1.25?
jcpham: !pl ss 1.5
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.10499998 = 0.21 BTC [+]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while).
assbot: SS [1@1.5BTC] paid: 0.44535409 BTC. Last price: 1.9 BTC. Capital gain: 0.4 BTC. Total: 0.84535409 BTC. (56.4%)
smickles: when glbse is slow, it really does take a while
smickles: !pl
assbot: !pl <ticker> [<amount>@]<bought at> [<YYYY-MM-DD>]
jcpham: !pl ss 2.2
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while).
assbot: SS [1@2.2BTC] paid: 0.44535409 BTC. Last price: 1.9 BTC. Capital gain: -0.3 BTC. Total: 0.14535409 BTC. (6.6%)
smickles: at 2.2, you may need to put in a date
jcpham: yeah i see
jcpham: neat
smickles: 'cause it put's in dividends too
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 15 @ 0.1151 = 1.7265 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 4 @ 0.115 = 0.46 BTC [-]
smickles: !pl mpoe.etf .1
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while).
jcpham: this is per share, right
smickles: yea
assbot: MPOE.ETF [1@0.1BTC] paid: 0.00852236 BTC. Last price: 1.5 BTC. Capital gain: 1.4 BTC. Total: 1.40852236 BTC. (1408.5%)
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCWEB] 2 @ 0.04 = 0.08 BTC [-]
smickles: !pl
assbot: !pl <ticker> [<amount>@]<bought at> [<YYYY-MM-DD>]
smickles: that ^
smickles: is the syntax
jcpham: got it
smickles: ^_^ see that 1400% on mpoe.etf ^_^
smickles: with dividends today, it'l go up a bit too
assbot: [GLBSE] [PPT.A] 5 @ 1.167 = 5.835 BTC [+]
smickles: !pl gigamining 1.5
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while).
assbot: GIGAMINING [1@1.5BTC] paid: 0.38322596 BTC. Last price: 1.1009 BTC. Capital gain: -0.3991 BTC. Total: -0.01587404 BTC. (-1.1%)
smickles: lol
smickles: .wik awa
markac: "Amalgamated Wireless (Australasia), a telecommunications manufacturer" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awa
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 1.1095979 = 4.4384 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <assbot> MPOE.ETF [1@0.1BTC] paid: 0.00852236 BTC. Last price: 1.5 BTC. Capital gain: 1.4 BTC. Total: 1.40852236 BTC. (1408.5%)
mircea_popescu: jeez that looks sweet
smickles: i've yet to pay today's dividends too
mircea_popescu: do you have the results published smickles ?
mircea_popescu: and btw to whomever it may concern : i updated http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex-vwap.php to publish more info
smickles: yeah
mircea_popescu: not just avg price in interval but also min max and volume
smickles: i sent you a link, i'll get it again
mircea_popescu: and also trade count.
mircea_popescu: o where did you send it ? i never got it.
smickles: mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67535.msg1099694#msg1099694
mircea_popescu: ty
smickles: it's not unexpected that you missed it, i just hilighted you in here or #trilem (idr which)
smickles: mircea_popescu: that's a nice improvement to the vwap.php
smickles: seems a bit improperly named now tho
smickles: or is that min/max/avg of the vwap itself?
smickles: or the min/max/avg of the spot?
mircea_popescu: it is improperly named now lol
mircea_popescu: min/max of the spot
mircea_popescu: anyway, now with trade count too
smickles: and avg is still vwap? plus volume? what more could i ask for :)
mircea_popescu: :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 2 @ 0.079 = 0.158 BTC [-]
smickles: cnt? /me simultaneous lol and yay
mircea_popescu: "S.MPOE":{"1d":{"avg":"38387.3709", "min":"34738", "max":"39650", "vol":"1724168", "cnt":"84" },
mircea_popescu: same with 7 and 390 days.
smickles: heh nice typo
mircea_popescu: can you conceive of anything else might be useful ? since we've got tghe bonnet off it atm
mircea_popescu: throw more wrenches in
mircea_popescu: lol. 30 days.
smickles: not off hand
mircea_popescu: should be good for another ~6 months.
smickles: lol, id in ht asset vwap json?
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 27 @ 0.115 = 3.105 BTC [-]
smickles: heh, yeah
mircea_popescu: id in ht ? huh ?
smickles: i've got a little to do
smickles: mircea_popescu: it was ciuciu's suggestion
smickles: s/ht/the/
mircea_popescu: lmao that nut still about ?
smickles: 'erry day
mircea_popescu: see, this is why im for the draft.
mircea_popescu: gives kids something useful to do turning rocks and painting them over.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.0003965 = 2.0618 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: srsly, ill say this much :" the greatest thing for a dev team is to announce some change
mircea_popescu: and immediately see a line going "shares up"
mircea_popescu: it's like... instagratifyometer.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.10499899 = 0.945 BTC [-]
nanotube: mircea_popescu: :)
smickles: ciuciu: if that page is to be believed, it's right in line with typical businesses
smickles: afaik, most business don't make a profit for about the first 5 years
assbot: [GLBSE] [TEEK.USD] 1 @ 0.077 BTC [-]
smickles: where's 2011 on that page?
assbot: [GLBSE] [CIUCIU.BOND] 3 @ 0.09 = 0.27 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 21 @ 0.1011 = 2.1231 BTC [-]
smickles: ciuciu: he claims to have employees now, and the info you've given is years out of date :/
smickles: if you're going to be so critical of the guy, at least have good data
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 20 @ 0.05899999 = 1.18 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 1.10949789 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.10499899 = 1.05 BTC [-]
smickles: mircea_popescu: do you have any US GAAP / IFRS style reports for polimedia
smickles: maybe then we could come to an accurate opinion of polimedia's financial state
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.10499899 = 0.21 BTC [-]
smickles: why? b/c he like FEMEN?
smickles: that's a nice accusation, surely you have evidence of that
nanotube: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=91661.msg1101853#msg1101853
kakobrekla: woohoo nanotube
kakobrekla: also mircea_popescu, anything to add to this ciuciu fud
smickles: kakobrekla: mircea_popescu has had him on ignore for a long time
kakobrekla: bah :(
kakobrekla: no fun. :(
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.10499899 = 2.1 BTC [-]
smickles: kakobrekla: ciuciu claims that mircea_popescu is a content thief and a spammer and a poor businessman, basically
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.10499899 = 0.945 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.10499998 = 1.05 BTC [+]
smickles: ciuciu: does that say that you're involved in intersango?
smickles: and bitcoin consultancy?
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.1MHS] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC [-]
smickles: oh, no, it doesn't does it
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOVETO.FUND] 9 @ 1.14999999 = 10.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOVETO.FUND] 11 @ 1.15 = 12.65 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 5 @ 1 = 5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 10 @ 0.497 = 4.97 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 16 @ 0.5 = 8 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 17 @ 0.05899999 = 1.003 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: well
kakobrekla: i cant read romanian
kakobrekla: or whatever
kakobrekla: hmm?
mircea_popescu: lol trying to stir up drama kakobrekla ?
mircea_popescu: smickles mm, europe does gaap-ish things, lemme see
smickles: ciuciu: so you wre involved in Bitcoin Consultancy?
kakobrekla: im always lookin for drama
smickles: that sounds like a lye
smickles: what about ciubond or whatever it is?
mircea_popescu: smickles http://trilema.com/2012/falimentul-polimedia-srl/ there, 2011 results. the 2010 and 2009 are also published on my blog ☟︎
mircea_popescu: obviously the title is tongue in cheek, if that's not obvious from the text.
smickles: thx mircea_popescu
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.10459 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.99 = 2.97 BTC [+]
smickles: heh, accounting truly is an international language
mircea_popescu: well surely.
mircea_popescu: and bitcointalk takes forever to load ;/
kakobrekla: ;;getrating ciuciu
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User ciuciu, rated since Mon Jul 2 18:18:02 2012. Cumulative rating 1, from 1 total ratings. Received ratings: 1 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 0 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=ciuciu
mircea_popescu: content thief roflmao. ahahaha this is like accusing the state of california of being vegetable thieves.
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 2 @ 0.05899999 = 0.118 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: they steal all rhode island's cucumbers.
smickles: oh wow, if i calc a L3 trust rating b/t me an ciuciu, it come out at 1
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 22 @ 0.04 = 0.88 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 50 @ 0.03501002 = 1.7505 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 100 @ 0.03501001 = 3.501 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 50 @ 0.03501001 = 1.7505 BTC [-]
smickles: that's like violating the 6 degrees of keven bacon law
smickles: 0_0, when did dmg get up to .04?
mircea_popescu: wasn't it .05 ?!
smickles: ciuciu: likely true
smickles: mircea_popescu: it was down to atleast .02 yesterday
usagi: i trust smickles via rg.
smickles: usagi: cause i bought him a hotdog or something?
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust smickles
gribble: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user smickles: Level 1: 3, Level 2: 19 via 11 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=mircea_popescu&dest=smickles
smickles: ciuciu: what's your forum username?
usagi: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu
gribble: Trust relationship from user usagi to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 3 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=usagi&dest=mircea_popescu
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 80 @ 0.101 = 8.08 BTC [-]
usagi: interesting
mircea_popescu: jesus apparently i know you through everybody in this chan
smickles: ;;getturst smickles usagi
gribble: Error: "getturst" is not a valid command.
smickles: ;;getthrudst smickles usagi
gribble: Error: "getthrudst" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: is mad7scientist still active even ?
smickles: bah, spelling
mircea_popescu: ;;getturds
gribble: Error: "getturds" is not a valid command.
usagi: thrust?
mircea_popescu: ;;getthryst
gribble: Error: "getthryst" is not a valid command.
smickles: ;;gettrust smickles usagi
gribble: Trust relationship from user smickles to user usagi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=smickles&dest=usagi
usagi: ;;gettrust ciuciu mircea_popescu
gribble: Trust relationship from user ciuciu to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=ciuciu&dest=mircea_popescu
smickles: heh
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 28 @ 0.10499998 = 2.94 BTC [+]
smickles: all that shit you are saying about him and you don't -1 him on the WOT?
mircea_popescu: what i want to know is how does sera make those sexy curved arrows !
usagi: Because I am a senshi.
smickles: usagi: thrust?
usagi: or nevermind
mircea_popescu: that sucky moment when you can't read smickle's report cause btctalk is down :(
smickles: i could pastbin it
usagi: <smickles> ;;getthrudst smickles usagi
mircea_popescu: allow me to derail the conversation then http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/aventurile-zilei-17.jpg
smickles: so it's not thrust'', it's 'thrust with a d'
usagi: I like the hemline
smickles: mircea_popescu: i like all the art you spread
mircea_popescu: it's my life's emission.
mircea_popescu: anyway, http://trilema.com/2012/aventurile-zilei-in-imagini-plus-o-mie-de-cuvinte/ for the full set (+ some words in obscure languages)
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.105 = 2.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.105 = 2.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.105 = 1.05 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: It's not just you! http://bitcointalk.org looks down from here.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.105 = 0.735 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: theymos omg feed the hamster!
kakobrekla: oh well
kakobrekla: bbl
kakobrekla: prepare ze drama
smickles: mircea_popescu: i figured it out, as a 'merican, culturally, i don't think losses in business are a bad thing. ya know, the whole learning from failure thing that has propelled business like Apple and such. I suspect ciuciu isn't 'merican
mircea_popescu: smickles you neglect the part where i have a lot of money and tax purposes.
smickles: .isdown bitcointalk.org
smickles: mircea_popescu: oh hyeah, i have paper losses for tax purposes too :/
smickles: that house in columbia pretty much means i don't pay federal income tax
mircea_popescu: you warren buffett you :p
smickles: untill i start having realized gains > 100K usd
smickles: so, if bitcoin goes to 100 usd per coin, i prolly won't cash out
assbot: [GLBSE] [TEEK.USD] 10 @ 0.077 = 0.77 BTC [-]
smickles: just leave it as unrealized gains
assbot: [GLBSE] [TEEK.USD] 9 @ 0.077 = 0.693 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.105 = 0.525 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i think i can realise about 100k on polimedia alone
mircea_popescu: not that i particularly want to, but anyway.
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 9 @ 0.1 = 0.9 BTC [-]
smickles: heh, ciuciu, you just reminded me of that pic of elon musk w/o an undershirt
smickles: now he looks like a businessman
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.105 = 0.84 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P150N] 1 @ 0.46976989 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: musk should get into bitcoins.
smickles: mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/nz4SEUaX
mircea_popescu: a that's too kind.
jcpham: HURR
jcpham: many lulz were just had
jcpham: loudly
mircea_popescu: MPOE stock................................488.22351953 488.22351953 490.94574494 54.84171999 54.84171999
jcpham: grim outlook
mircea_popescu: wow price stayed the same ?
smickles: mircea_popescu: it's the GAAP way to do it
mircea_popescu: o ic
smickles: mircea_popescu: combine that with the valuation allowance
mircea_popescu: yah i saw a second later.
jcpham: mircea_popescu can i give you money and you'll give me more?
mircea_popescu: jcpham there's a number of ways.
jcpham: i love free money
mircea_popescu: well, buy a mpoe bond, or else open a mpex acct if you don't have one already and trade
smickles: it come at the cost of risk, usually, jcpham
mircea_popescu: or just buy the mpcds
mircea_popescu: or my stocks
mircea_popescu: actually mpcd.a is i think the risklessyest asset in all of btcland.
mircea_popescu: maybe.
smickles: that b.mpcd.b looks mighty appealing
jcpham: smickles do it
jcpham: pull the trigger
jcpham: buy all mpcd's
jcpham: leave none for the rest
mircea_popescu: lol then resell at premium
smickles: jcpham: imsaguy has the funds right now
jcpham: nice
usagi: lol unix is such a wonderful system
smickles: mircea_popescu: if i had the funds personally, i would have already done that with 'C'
mircea_popescu: smickles 9% sounds juicy fo sho.
jcpham: so what you are saying is...
mircea_popescu: but srsly, buying equity tranche is not for the faint at heart.
jcpham: i need to move funds to this glbse thingamajig
smickles: mircea_popescu: well, i would have had a goal of 3 to 5%
mircea_popescu: jcpham you can buy mpoe bonds by just sending money over.
mircea_popescu: smickles conceivably it will take some capital hits yea.
jcpham: I'm approximately 22% complete in my journey to over9000
smickles: ciuciu: it is a bit of a kludge, but the only funds s²cm has with imsag were the funds that were with him b/f he came on as CIO
assbot: [GLBSE] [TEEK.USD] 1 @ 0.077 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Net cash flow from financing activities............................ (6.44483760)
BTC-Mining: Your journey?
mircea_popescu: heck ?!
smickles: now we're removing the conflict of interest
smickles: mircea_popescu: mpoe.etf pays last month's dividend in this month
mircea_popescu: btw, is imsaguy2 running a bank yet ? or still doing the whole shadow hedge fund manager thing
BTC-Mining: imsaguy came out as CIO?
BTC-Mining: Someone care to explain? I think I missed a few things
smickles: the fund had a better dividend last month due to some options and such
mircea_popescu: but how can that ammount to a loss ?!
mircea_popescu: (bear with me, i only have a cursory understanding of accounting)
smickles: mircea_popescu: its not a loss, it's cash flow
mircea_popescu: o o i see
smickles: we speant the cash which we received last month
mircea_popescu: yes yes.
mircea_popescu: jcpham http://trilema.com/2012/sa-ne-jucam-de-a-investitiile-n-bitcoini/#comment-78745 read the part about bonds there.
jcpham: it's more of an investment in you mircea_popescu
jcpham: the bonds are just a vehicle
mircea_popescu: why in me ? am i sexy ?
jcpham: definitely
mircea_popescu: haha cool.
mircea_popescu: somebody needs to organise an event for hedge fund managers
jcpham: what's this...
mircea_popescu: give them free cookies shaped like bitcoins
rg: i trust smicklse
jcpham: 20 ounces of silver
mircea_popescu: and tits.
mircea_popescu: with bitcoin tattoos.
rg: for long standing acts of trustworthyness
jcpham: the mail lady just dropped something in my lap
rg: im waiting for some shit in the mail
rg: but its coming from cali
jcpham: smickles is supremo A #1 tops
mircea_popescu: i think mickey carver is like the most competent accountant active with btc atm.
rg: probably wnot be here today
mircea_popescu: rg : can't you just get some local shit ?
mircea_popescu: visit the proctologist clinic, they usually keep a supply.
jcpham: ooh and 3 grams of gold
jcpham: weak
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 300 @ 0.00384 = 1.152 BTC [+]
rg: no
rg: they dont have local vendors
rg: for e-cig shit
rg: if they did i would use them
assbot: [GLBSE] [ABM] 2 @ 0.249 = 0.498 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ABM] 5 @ 0.24987999 = 1.2494 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o you use those water vapour things ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [ABM] 3 @ 0.24988 = 0.7496 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ok i fail to follow this nanotube
mircea_popescu: "BTCST has the right to change the terms of its outstanding deposits at any time, as long as there is advance notice of at least 30 calendar days."
mircea_popescu: vs
mircea_popescu: "Since the existing ToS includes the provision for pirate's ability to change interest rates "with notice", this latest change in interest rates does not violate the terms of the bet contract, even though it did not itself have a 30 day notice. The term "interest rates" was only used as an example of terms that may change in ToS; the list of examples was not intended to be either exhaustive or necessarily-inclusive. The point of the
mircea_popescu: ToS changes section and advance notice thereof, was to make sure that users are given ample notice for any unexpected material changes."
nanotube: basically, the existing tos said pirate can change interest rates upon notice.
mircea_popescu: of 30 days or more.
nanotube: no, existing tos did not specify 30 days
nanotube: so by changing rates, he's not changing the tos
nanotube: because that's already included in the tos.
mircea_popescu: o wait.
mircea_popescu: i see what you mean.
jcpham: i've been expecting falling rates the whole time
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the contract you said says
mircea_popescu: terms of its outstanding deposits
jcpham: not sure what the big deal is
mircea_popescu: and not
mircea_popescu: terms of service
jcpham: it only effects lenders
mircea_popescu: so while the guy didn't change the terms of service... he did change the terms of its outstanding deposits.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCASS_BOND_A] 1 @ 0.1489 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: course coupled with the dissolution clause it'd seem your interpretation follows the spirit of the agreement
mircea_popescu: nevertheless the letter of it was borkt.
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREASIC] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.1MHS] 1 @ 0.075 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.A] 80000 @ 0.001 = 80 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5264 @ 0.00113271 = 5.9626 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: I see...
BTC-Mining: That's why I never do anything personal at work
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 1 @ 1.053 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 1 @ 0.41128695 BTC [-]
jcpham: mircea_popescu's site is epic
jcpham: most of the women are promised to me already however
imsaguy2: so why was I getting highlighted?
imsaguy2: coming out as CIO?
imsaguy2: wtf?
mircea_popescu: lol which site ?
jcpham: imsaguy2 tag
mircea_popescu: there's nothing wrong with being cio imsaguy2
assbot: [GLBSE] [SYNERGY] 2 @ 0.19 = 0.38 BTC [+]
imsaguy2: smickles does all the heavy lifting
imsaguy2: I just watch to make sure they pay once in a while
jcpham: you can tell we are long because we go by the month
jcpham: this week shit is too much
jcpham: smoke a few valerian roots
mircea_popescu: or that
jcpham: get yerr hair did gurrrl
imsaguy2: hay gurl hay
jcpham: get da ice on ya pinky ring
jcpham: gurlfrend
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 5 @ 0.1199 = 0.5995 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.43389999 = 0.8678 BTC [+]
imsaguy2: 573 pounds of butter were used on Julia Child's show “Baking with Julia.”
mircea_popescu: how much cheap wine ?
nanotube: mircea_popescu: yea, i'm no lawyer, so the agreement is not foolproof. but the spirit of the bet is about pirate honoring his obligations and actually being in possession of user funds
nanotube: so i'm not going to decide the bet on minor technicalities
mircea_popescu: yeah. i can see that. tho the litigant in me... :D
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.1199 BTC [+]
imsaguy2: I think nanotube was bought out
imsaguy2: he's no longer impartial
imsaguy2: impeach
nanotube: <_<
nanotube: heh
mircea_popescu: im just jealous he's making 100 btc on this deal :D
imsaguy2: its only 1%
mircea_popescu: ya, 1% of enough money to buy all the bitcoin magazines wright will ever print in his lifetime.
imsaguy2: heh
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.1MHS] 9 @ 0.05 = 0.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.105 = 0.42 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 1 @ 1.46 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 2 @ 0.1199 = 0.2398 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 25 @ 1.42 = 35.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.0003965 = 13.5207 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 24 @ 0.105 = 2.52 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P100T] 10 @ 0.0504285 = 0.5043 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.105 = 0.84 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-PI] 10 @ 1.45 = 14.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREASIC] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: good porn or bad porn?
Diablo-D3: oh, I have enough of that already
mircea_popescu: haha EskimoBob, just the man i wanted to see.
mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex.php?mpsic=B.MPCD.A how's that look to you then ? :D
Diablo-D3: what language is that?
mircea_popescu: english ?
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Diablo-D3: silly romanians
Diablo-D3: romaniachan lawlz
mircea_popescu: wth you on aboot ?
smickles: < ciuciu_> Hey smickles: Do you know Mircea is running a porn site? << is that supposed to be a bad thing?
mircea_popescu: ahahaah WHAT THE FUCK
mircea_popescu: let me spare the dood some work, apparently he's not just misguided but also inept
smickles: ciuciu_: I only ask because you've been in the habit recently of trying to discredit MP
mircea_popescu: here, i also beat up on women : http://trilema.com/2010/nsfw-mosu-cu-joarda/ http://trilema.com/2011/cum-se-bate-femeia/
mircea_popescu: fucking hayseed, discovered the internet yesterday has no clue about what's what.
smickles: I will be on the record of making the assertation that porn is not bad because it is art
mircea_popescu: porn is not bad because that's how ciuciu's mom raised her children.
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smickles: mircea_popescu: that first link is one of my favorite pictures. it tells such an interesting story in my mind
mircea_popescu: all stories with an obedient pair of girls in them are interesting.
mircea_popescu: i think it may be the definition of interesting.
smickles: ciuciu_: did you bring up the issue of a porn site for any particular reason?
Diablo-D3: who?
smickles: that's more of a statement
Diablo-D3: because I dont think anyone has the tits for it
smickles: what's it matter if he is?
mircea_popescu: this chan is so very surreal.
smickles: indeed
smickles: Diablo-D3: google poliboobs, he's got the tits
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Diablo-D3: nothx
mircea_popescu: whoa apparently there's a politits blogspot.
smickles: ciuciu_: i don't thing spamming the info the MP runs a porn site will harm his reputation
smickles: s/thing/think/
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smickles: honestly, ciuciu_, you might risk harming your own reputation, depending on how you go about doing it
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mircea_popescu: what porn site i run ?
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smickles: ciuciu_: he doesn't use the forums
smickles: if your talking about bitcointalk.org
smickles: mircea_popescu: you got a bitcointalk account recently?
mircea_popescu: nope ?
smickles: ciuciu_: i'm fairly sure that's his hireling
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smickles: orly
mircea_popescu: o.- puts are starting to move a little.
smickles: ok
mircea_popescu: wonder if top is in.
smickles: ciuciu_: if it is his girlfriend's account, how come you are claiming he uses the forum?
smickles: ciuciu_: then you understand that you just commited the non sequitor fallacy?
smickles: (sp?)
mircea_popescu: sequitur
smickles: thank you mp :)
mircea_popescu: it wasn't me it was my gf
smickles: english as my native language may have harmed my ability to spell in latin
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smickles: lol
smickles: ciuciu_: also http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
smickles: about the porn site bit
smickles: heh, now you're posting stuff that came from my own thread
smickles: i've seen that
mircea_popescu: i think you'll have to show id.
smickles: iirc, mp has told me that he used to live in 'merica, but moved becaus of the comming financial fallout
smickles: mircea_popescu: so your gf doesn't speak romanian and has poor knowledge of romanian according to ciuciu_
mircea_popescu: except i dont have a gf.
smickles: i feel like i'm learning stuff today :P
mircea_popescu: lol
Diablo-D3: the thing is though
Diablo-D3: that chan?
Diablo-D3: the romanian one?
Diablo-D3: why is there no good porn on it
mircea_popescu: o, the dtng thing is the topic ?
mircea_popescu: prolly cause you're not adding it Diablo-D3
Diablo-D3: my art is simply not safe for human consumption
Diablo-D3: er, collection of art
smickles: Diablo-D3: has kitty porn?
mircea_popescu: heck do you do, cuisinart porn ?
Diablo-D3: smickles: no
Diablo-D3: no furry
smickles: cuisinart porn, lol
mircea_popescu: (smicks, is cuisin art porn ?)
Diablo-D3: its mostly just mindfuck porn that is hilarious to post on g-rated boards.
Diablo-D3: its not "porn", you dont fap to it
Diablo-D3: you fuck people in the eyesocket with it
smickles: to me, the word 'porn' is like the pejorative form of 'gay'
smickles: so 'gay porn' just puts me thru the ringer
mircea_popescu: to me porn is like a contraction of popcorn
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: that only makes sense if its dolcett porn
mircea_popescu: i think there's some dolcett somewhere on dtng
mircea_popescu: heck, there was a merkley??? thread i think
Diablo-D3: orly? url
mircea_popescu: d'uh, i have no ideea lol. it is ugc after all.
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Diablo-D3: nothing hotter than a woman learning how the sausage is made.
smickles: ciuciu_: i don't see that link as having any meaning in the context of this conversation
Diablo-D3: man, I just made a hilarious joke
Diablo-D3: and virtually no one in here got it
smickles: sorry D
mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/res/107.html something like that
smickles: ciuciu_: i'm sorry, but i just don't believe that right now
smickles: ciuciu_: i would very much want to see evidence that MP was going to scam me or my operations out of btc
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smickles: lol, why should i give a fuck if he's a dubious character?
mircea_popescu: how the fuck am i dubious.
smickles: mircea_popescu: you run a porn site?
smickles: "just saying"
smickles: lol
smickles: that's the basis of your argument?
mircea_popescu: lol. actually, i used to produce the stuff, back the previous millenium when it still made money.
smickles: ciuciu_: so this is an emotional reaction?
smickles: it doesn't look like it has stopped
smickles: can you clearly point out evidence of MP doing something bad?
smickles: not shady or dubious, wierd, etc
smickles: ciuciu_: you are welcom to say anything you want
smickles: but if you want me to believe you, you'll need evidenc and sound argumnetation
smickles: lol, argumentation?, i meant a cogent/sound argument
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smickles: ciuciu_: that I should not interact with MP at the significant risk of loss
smickles: ciuciu_: accusations mean noting if they did not come to a 'conviction'
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smickles: so then you are out to harm someone for personal reasons?
smickles: that's not a very good thing to do
smickles: i've forgotten, what did mp do to you?
smickles: i've heard that the pr lady pointed out that ciuciu is akin to saying jack shit or something like that
smickles: .o ud markak
markac: ENOTFOUND
smickles: it wouldn't be found by markak would it
smickles: ciuciu_: lol, so he pointed out that your name meant something bad in another language, and you're upset at him?
smickles: that is 'him' in your mind
smickles: ciuciu_: psy already did that
smickles: ciuciu_: if you do that in my thread, i will likely and simply point out that you haven't presented me with significant evidence of wrongdoing on the part of MP, or any indication that it puts the fund or its shareholders at risk
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kakobrekla: ah
kakobrekla: still MP vs CC
mircea_popescu: hm ?
kakobrekla: well i came back online several hours later and its still/again MP vs CC talk
kakobrekla: i dont see much of a point in any of this
smickles: ciuciu_: btw, good luck in your endeavors.
mircea_popescu: i think smickles is havign fun lol
smickles: mircea_popescu: i think it's important to pursue possible information that may foreshadow harm to myself or the shareholders of mpoeetf or ss
smickles: my personal pleasure in the action is masturbatory
mircea_popescu: hehehe okay
smickles: hey, doesn't that word just mean self-pleasing, yet otherwise pointless?
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mircea_popescu: sorta
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smickles: huh, the internet seems to disagree
smickles: well, that seems to not be the word I intended to use
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mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: thesaurus backfire
smickles: i don't recall where i (thought that I) learned that word, but i don't think it was a thesaurus
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mircea_popescu: maybe it was a very ellaborate prank.
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smickles: well, then someone needs to cop up to it, i'm sure i owe them a drink
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assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 25000 @ 0.001 = 25 BTC
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assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-PI] 1 @ 1.5 BTC [+]
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assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.105 = 1.05 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: so.,, insured pirate bonds cdo anyone?
copumpkin: how would that work? they'd all default at the same time
copumpkin: oh, insured
copumpkin: sorry :)
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla make sure you mix the insurers well.
kakobrekla: umm
kakobrekla: id rather see someone else do it
mircea_popescu: copumpkin has a point, they're not such great matter for a cdo cause of high catastrophe chance.
copumpkin: it'd still be somewhat more interesting than uninsured CDO :P
copumpkin: but possibly not much more
kakobrekla: well i guess the whole point of it is who will payout and who wont
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DeaDTerra: GIPPT dividend incoming :)
kakobrekla: if default happens
mircea_popescu: the ideea is if one goes the 2nd likely also goes
mircea_popescu: and so the benefits of cdo-ing aren't so notable.
kakobrekla: well
mircea_popescu: copumpkin you never said what you thought of my cds!
kakobrekla: maybe yes maybe no
copumpkin: I don't think I saw them!
copumpkin: I've been very absent :)
mircea_popescu: o rly ?
mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex.php?mpsic=B.MPCD.A
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assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.102 = 2.04 BTC [-]
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assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 32 @ 0.1001 = 3.2032 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.1001 = 5.005 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 73 @ 0.1 = 7.3 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: Anyone want to buy ASICMINER shares?^^
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assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 8 @ 0.99999999 = 8 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: wheres the pump on asicminer
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assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 10 @ 0.059 = 0.59 BTC [+]