phf: i think i'm going to punt on bot fleet, and just focus on robust reconnect. worst thing is trying to powercycle a bot connection, while the room is spinning
trinque: irc is terrible; I just told mine to kill itself and be restarted by runit when *anything* weird happens at all
trinque: seems to be working; I have the exceptions logged, so if there are any that are worth fixing in a smarter way I'll have that information.
trinque: but whether SSL took a shit or ping timed out or... really has no bearing on what I'm going to do next
mike_c: that bot is like blinding fast
mike_c: phf: what's the database name?
mike_c: that feels like a trick question. the one with the ratings
mike_c: you gave me server, etc. but not DB name
mike_c: in my log it says: "trinque: what's the database name?"
mike_c: I don't know what you guys are smoking
mike_c: so, something that isn't there is 'last seen'
trinque: yeah, prolly as a command too
mike_c: and 'registered', which is.. somewhat useful as well
mircea_popescu: trinque there's something very deeply wrong about a system in which "what happened" has no bearing on "what to do next".
trinque: probably terribly worded on my part.
trinque: all the condtions which result in losing my connection ought to be followed by re-establishing that connection
BingoBoingo prefers the days of epic netsplits to this bullshit
BingoBoingo: took hours for a reconnect to hit after the last time I was bumped off
phf: same with my bouncer, it's back up, but "chat.freenode.org" was giving me timeouts since about 1pm to 7pm EST
BingoBoingo: For reconnect roulette to hook a live freenode
phf: wolfe has always been pretty reliable, and i think that's where randomizer's been putting me
mircea_popescu: trinque no i don't think YOU're the problem. i think ircd is the fucking problem.
mircea_popescu: or in the immortal words of gnny sgt hartmann, i had no idea they stacked shit this high!
mircea_popescu: in this case the dns round robin went to shit i suspec.
mircea_popescu: ah no, it's handled as a round robin. you ask for it, dns server gives you the least loaded ip
mircea_popescu: at least in theory. but then they went from 20ish entries to like 9.
phf: yeah if you do nc -v chat.freenode.org 6667 couple of times it gives you different ips
mircea_popescu: o wow i suspect this means i wrote over 65k footnotes to date
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BingoBoingo: Yeah, lead doesn't belong in the decanted fluid. It belongs in the glass of the decanter.
deedbot: deedbot- voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But how would I get to engage in my lawncare hobby living aboard? Seawater isn't exactly a great growth medium for turfgrasses.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform costs a lot less than that to park it in colonia on the rio de la plata.
trinque: mircea_popescu: ah hadn't read yet; I was just throwing that in here because deedbot- was unvoiced
trinque: I've got a few more tasks left then I can kill the old bot, couple of days
mircea_popescu: the point being, that the mooring costs of a small vessel are about as relevant to such decisions as the cost of toilet paper to choosing your eventual residence.
mircea_popescu: trinque thanks god you made it come back after getting fucked, seems an hourly occurence these days.
trinque: mircea_popescu: it's gotten ridiculous, yeah
mircea_popescu: nowhere it is relevant for STRUCTURAL reasons. that it appears significant to you in x context it's only because you're not accounting for the other, more important costs, which also scaled up.
trinque: I inquired in #freenode and no staffers said a word
mircea_popescu: ie, if you can't afford the toilet paper in monaco, that doesn't mean it's because ofg the cost of tp you can't move there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform suppose you spring a leak and must have it fixed RIGHT NOW. or at least be toed in drydock.
mircea_popescu: the notion that escape from rent is to go into a hostile element that's not self-sustainable is about as retarded as you'd expect from americans.
mircea_popescu: hey you know what ? pay more taxes, thatg'll malke them go away!
mircea_popescu: and if you can't talk to women - BE MORE SELECTIVE AS TO THE WOMEN YOU TALK TO!!11
mircea_popescu: too fat ? eat more junk food. too lazy ? get comfier couches. wanna escape rent ? move on fucking venus! no rent there, it's all costs!
mircea_popescu: you're going to fix leaks alone when you couldn't as much as buldgeon to death a puny taxman.
phf: live on boat is a slightly more proactive take on "wait for zombies to come"
BingoBoingo imagines converting uninhabitted island to kentucky bluegrass monoculture and setting loose solar robot mowers has potential for lulz.
mircea_popescu: no, "live on boat" is more of the same adolescentine male fantasy displayed by overfed neotenic preteens captive in aging, sagging bodies that won't grow up for the life of them.
mircea_popescu: costs have a structure that is idependent of your perception.
BingoBoingo: How many fixed leaks does it buy 25 km from shore?
mircea_popescu: if the rent is 2k the leak fixing is 20k. for the same reason.
mircea_popescu: the folks "doing the boat thing" are a 1% subset of the folks doing the RV thing.
mircea_popescu: which folks are old, poor, and marginal for a fucking reason.
mircea_popescu: if you're going to do that might as well move to rural georgia, pick a blondy and a mulatto woman and smoke meth for your remaining years.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Ah, but here live on boat parking is $800 for a slip on Mississippi river and places with yards are often less.
mircea_popescu: guaranteed not to even notice the inconveniences of the lifestyle.
phf: it seems like a fun thing to do when you're young though, as long as you don't sit in the dock all the time ermagerd
mircea_popescu: phf everything's fun when you're young and have money.
mircea_popescu: the reason this is so, is because as you age you become enmoored to various idiocies.
mircea_popescu: easy to be recognized because they come in a few standard flavours :
mircea_popescu: "i need X for X" "wouldn't it be cool if X then i could Y" etc.
phf: it seems important to die from time to time
mircea_popescu: the problem of old people is that they don't think they may have permission to exist.
BingoBoingo: Oh, is that what was going on at the Marina?
phf: asciilifeform: you really need to be a mythical la-fondian character from robert howard stories to pull it off as "escape from rent", but then you won't be escaping to begin with, since you were never it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not the point. the point was that YOU COULD, actually, wring a tax accountant's neck. you could not, as a factual matter, plug a leak.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless you do not consider the former a feasible approach to the problem of tax ; but you without as much as batting an eyelash pull the former out fo ass in response to a challenge you hadn't even considewred!
mircea_popescu: why is it that you think yourself the crystal dragon jesus of wrighting boats when you can't as much as punch out another chimp ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: every chimp can punch out another chimp. no chimp made a boat.
mircea_popescu: this heuristic is about as idiotic as the heuristic that you consider men approachable for sex but women not.
mircea_popescu: it's called a sexual preference, not a fucking heuristic.
phf: but more importantly how do you put an electronic microscope on a boat?
mircea_popescu: fuck, seawater great solvent, will solve a lotta things.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a problem. for some reason you're approaching it at the very wrong end of the funnel.
mircea_popescu: mno. there's the end where you try to build a gyroscope-stabilized microscope on a small sea platform ; and there's the end where you start going to bars and picking up women you're not the slightest bit interested in and marrying them.
mircea_popescu: but it is actual lived experience, not just theory. i have a female human right here whose task it has been to talk to women each day for the past months, and it has driven her to tears and the very brink a few times already.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless. the cure is the cure ; the dicking around is the dicking around.
mircea_popescu: i know no such thing, and you're lucky you don't have tits, there'd be a whipping in it for you by now.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-18 16:36 mircea_popescu: why is it that you think yourself the crystal dragon jesus of wrighting boats when you can't as much as punch out another chimp ?
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> every chimp can punch out another chimp. no chimp made a boat.
mircea_popescu: politics are easy ; technology is hard. that some people would dedicate themselves to the hard without any whatsoever effort put into the easy is both scandalous and suicidal.
mircea_popescu: "community" has gotten together and made it obsolete. *rolleyes*
mircea_popescu: eh, and man without "an appetite for labour" will have to do pretty good on theft ?
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mircea_popescu: check that out, poor deedbot. blackholed on the hour like clockwork
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-04-18 17:13 mircea_popescu: check that out, poor deedbot. blackholed on the hour like clockwork
trinque: the thing would stay connected for a week or more while I was developing it
phf: a tip *tips fedora* for m'lady *winks*
trinque: it's not so much a payment as it's a facebook "like"
shinohai: Just more social media faggotry.
trinque: yeah, now they can sell certifications and have conferences, what?
shinohai: Oh ow, they *just now removed compilers* from the cloud machines HUE
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> 'LLI performed an assessment of the ShapeShift infrastructure against the CryptoCurrency Security Standard (CCSS). The assessment identified...' << holy FUCK what?!! <<< hey, the empire's hard at work.
mircea_popescu: anyway, shapeshit's irrelevant with our without all the "oh noes look at how famous bitbet is let us try and engineer an imperial equivalent"
mircea_popescu: it's ~nothing, in the style of xapo and whatever else.
mircea_popescu: anyway, for the noobs : mpex 1st conference was principally this thing where voorhees and casares tried to convince me usg is the only game in town, with me laughing, and me stating mtgox isn't going to be around for long, with them laughing.
mircea_popescu: somehow this "usg matters" is a difficult drop of molasses to escape
mircea_popescu: there were also some other side shows, but that was the central attraction.
shinohai: I am enjoying this Qntra thing way more than I expected.
deedbot: $addtotoldyousofiles is not a command.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, it's just this lifestyle / mentality thing. not SO different from your very own gyro-boat thing, really. by which i don't mean anything other than that they themselves were unaware of what exactly arguing.
mircea_popescu: well, their notions about the world are arguably also not a "universal good" in this sense, and similarly based on utter loathing [based in turn on fear, like all loathing {based in turn on unexamined ignorance, like all fear <supported by optionality, like all nonsense>}]
mircea_popescu: suffice it to say that one thing leads to the next, and before you know it you're a robber on the lam with some dead nightwatchmen in your past, merely for "just wanting to". evil is fruit of the poisonous root, and for as long as one buys into the priors, one will end up in VCtron land willy-nilly.
mircea_popescu: hey, check you out using the sexual comparison skill to great disruption and awesome effect.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing illegitimate about preferences, inasmuch as they're someone's preference.
mircea_popescu: there's also nothing surprising about the effects of preferences.
mircea_popescu: i thought the whole discussion started with some derpy webservice being surprised by its own success or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: "by which i don't mean anything other than that they themselves were unaware of what exactly arguing". it's not aboot you!
mod6: maybe i'll feel better tomorrow.
mod6: ya. stayed home today and slept.
mod6: i think i'll be in good enough shape to work remote tomorrow.
shinohai: Pollen is like an inch thick here, allergies got me a bit but I got meds.
mod6: i get quite a number of them, plent extra in case i need to interview.
mod6: well, some sort of flu,or wicked cold. seems to be mainly fever & respitory symptoms.
mod6: asciilifeform: this place gives you 18 days on Jan 1st. they gave me like 5 days between when I started in late oct and the end of '15.
mod6: ftr, i never seen a place ever offer more than say, 12 + company wide holidays.
mod6: so this is well above par
mod6: yah, like, day-after-thanksgiving, etc.
mod6: basically, you can't choose it, but they throw that in as in, "hey, look, we're such good guys we're gonna give you the day off even though you probably would have taken it off anyway; nevermind that the rest of the "free" world has this day off too."
mod6: and, i agree with you, i could give a shit less.
mod6: i'd rather beable to move those additional ~4-5 days around at will.
deedbot: ag3nt_zer0_ voiced for 30 minutes.
ag3nt_zer0_: hey whats up.... was wondering where everyone went...
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
trinque: he does without that underscore.