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jurov: "Also, programmers can also attest to the fact that long-term coding is very much a tantric, mind-altering endeavor."
☟︎ jurov: TANTRIC. ben_vulpes see?
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jurov: the last link i posted
jurov: and see what? that finding the right cdecls.h spot is in fact tantric exercise :)
jurov: "At this point we can consider... Scientology is a tax-exempt religion. Why not Bitcoin?" ahahaha never made the connection before
jurov: "...consider that Bitcoin has died 71 times, and therefore is continuously reborn in the psychic reality of the public."
jurov: dunno why I find it so funny
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49750 @ 0.00037124 = 18.4692 BTC [-]
jurov: maybe I should invite dude here to "inner cult" :D
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mats: nothing wrong with being a call girl
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decimation: not every call girl can do calculus, she needs to be given a better purpose
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assbot: Logged on 14-06-2015 17:31:18; mircea_popescu: moreover, there are hard to miss parallels between this entire "saving the state" interventionism of the us coallition
decimation: if there were an obvious alternative it probably would have happened already?
trinque: a WoT of a hundred million people, maybe
decimation: I guess. when your house is on fire are you gonna look through your rolodex?
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trinque: there are a number of ways to come at that particular problem
decimation: sure, but in the end they all involve a peice of actual real estate with an actual physical structure
☟︎ trinque: couldn't we apply the same argument to plowing the roads, or other similar work?
trinque: in the absence of a central authority dictating that there shall be a fire dept, I wouldn't expect that the need to put out fires would vanish along with it
funkenstein_: where do you live that the state runs the fire dept?
decimation: not a literal us state here, state = government
☟︎ funkenstein_: fire departments usually don't need to be able to counterfeit money
decimation: but someone has to claim the land, and people need a place to sleep
☟︎ funkenstein_: what do you mean someone has to claim the land?
decimation: if the land is unclaimed, how do you build a house?
trinque: owning something is having control over it
trinque: it's not an abstract granted by an authority
decimation: trinque: yes, and the implication quickly becomes "I sit in my mud hut with my ak and you sit in yours"
decimation: if you need an army to do anything that is
trinque: we should define what we mean by state
trinque: probably means something a bit more than "owns this dirt"
trinque: this monstrous, bureaucratic "modern state" which infiltrates every aspect of life is to whom I refer
trinque: decimation: or in other words... if only the fire dept was the most of our worries
trinque: I'd be happy to see it go if the rest were also in the bathwater
decimation: trinque: no doubt, I can imagine lots of other structures, but I just don't see how groups of people who need to do business together can get away from some kind of central coordinating mechanism for certain tasks
decimation: note that this doesn't imply 'modern state' is the only possibly solution
trinque: perhaps something eventually emerges which is the aggregate of contracts within the WoT
decimation: but it seems to me that nearly all qualifying solutions meet some definition of 'state'
trinque: and in fact, built upon consent, it would have far greater legitimacy
funkenstein_: malcolm x says the state becomes necessary when one needs to separate those who have from those who have not
☟︎ trinque: malcolm x was a reactionary with no proposal
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funkenstein_: his proposal was that the bullet was more powerful than the ballot
trinque: thought of that all by himself, did he?
trinque: anyhow. it's true that anywhere humans gather and interact structures will emerge
funkenstein_: true indeed. people talk about "the government" as if that meant something specific.. so many out there
trinque: decimation: one important distinction may be that whereas the modern state seeks to make humans fungible, to normalize them according to some standard
trinque: the WoT allows for *varying* standards of interaction based on the relationships involved
decimation: sure, but that's a distinction between 'a state' and 'the modern structure' (as moldbug would put it)
decimation: I would probably setting for a 'modern state' that did its best to cultivate the quality of its human potential, rather than treating it like an infinite resource
trinque: if you presuppose my involvement in some agreement between other people, you've presupposed me right out of the conversation in both cases!
trinque: if I haven't signed something, it has been forced upon me
funkenstein_: to quote noone you are likely to consider sane, you signed up when you chose to be born
☟︎ trinque: the social contract is religious bullshit
funkenstein_: I'm not sure what the social contract is. As you point out, I didn't sign it
Vexual: oysters cost 0 if you find them
trinque: or "you are not your own but were bought at a price"
trinque: corinthian's something something
trinque: or any other such brainwashing which precludes my own decisionmaking
decimation: trinque: but in that case Paul is referring to those who believe in Jesus
trinque: sure and my parents had me baptised
trinque: so I'm his bondslave for life according to this or that interpretation of folk legends
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decimation: if your point is that your salvation is involuntary, I don't think that is correct, but Christians do disagree on this point
trinque: point is people with mouths can declare anything at all
trinque: that doesn't mean that I acknowledge it
decimation: indeed. yet, you were born, fed, taught, and you will die.
trinque: when someone says "there is a social contract" that's just a backdoor way of saying "you shall accept the implications of there being a social contract"
trinque: I might revise that further to "I shall force you to behave as though there were such a thing as a social contract."
trinque: though the "I" in the sentence may not be the speaker
decimation: trinque: note that many people would replace orthodox Christianity with some kind of warmed-over socialism, that doesn't make their socialism Christianity (as loudly as they might protest otherwise)
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trinque: wouldn't it be nice for a man to call a command a command, so you know what freedom you actually have
trinque: the destruction of the language in order to convince slaves they are not slaves costs far too much
trinque: decimation: I've heard it called "stealing your stolen from" around here, and it's exactly on the mark
trinque: so then going back to the "state", if the "state" is this, then a "state" is *not* the aggregate of agreements made by free men
trinque: might be nice to give that one it's own word
funkenstein_: in practical use, the state is whatever the guy with the gun tells you it is
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trinque: funkenstein_: things are what they are, though we may be forced to call them otherwise
funkenstein_: yhwh wasn't interested in this new testament stuff
funkenstein_: trinque, indeed. sounds like a small statement but you have just affirmed something big methinks
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Vexual: whats for breakfast punkman?
Vexual: hmm, sounds like london
punkman: I do have a piece left, maybe for lunch
punkman: don't fry it though, better toasted/grilled
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punkman: punkman's salad suggestion: purslane, rocket, cherry tomatos and grilled haloumi
☟︎ Vexual: what would you serve that with?
Vexual: if i cant find purslane?
punkman: then you gotta buy some seeds
Vexual: lol, but im salivating
Vexual: ill ask the asians for a tropicaal quqivalent
Vexual: snapper is in season too
punkman: well anything will do, it's salad
punkman: any snail farmers down under?
punkman: not too often, I got a box of them fattening up though
punkman: fry them with garlic and rosemary
Vexual: i dont think theyd grow here, never see wild ones
Vexual: what do they eat? old lettuce?
Vexual: do they prefer dampper, or just flour?
Vexual: do you make it into dough and cook it?
punkman: no the box gets pretty gross
Vexual: id rather a box of ducks to be hosnest, but id eat it
Vexual: or does the slime go into the sauce?
punkman: gotta give them a scrub, and check for casualties
Vexual: ok im salivating, thanks for the recipies, im off to raid a southerners letterbox
punkman: "The .tar file must be encrypted with the static key /tmp/.charlie. Yes, that's the actual key - the software passes the wrong argument to OpenSSL. -K is used to pass the keyfile instead of -kfile, meaning that the key is the path of the keyfile rather than the contents"
Vexual: failing that ill buy a snapper
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cazalla: still training BingoBoingo?
cazalla: i had another sober weekend so half way there to a sober month of June
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Last weekend banged up my knee and wrist pretty bad in a unknown incident while drunk, which lead to a slowdown last week but not a cessation of activities
cazalla: i'm feeling so good i even banged the missus twice and here i thought it was cause i long ago grew tired of her, must've been the booze after all
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assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 06:54:38; punkman: punkman's salad suggestion: purslane, rocket, cherry tomatos and grilled haloumi
cazalla: i don't mind a bit of holy flax too
cazalla: nah, Santolina rosmarinifolia
cazalla: they also call it olive herb down under
punkman: don't think I've tried that one
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cazalla: it pretty much tastes like olives
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jurov: for good measure(and smell) don't forget some bear garlic foliage(allium ursinum).
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davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu pls to x.eur
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pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes best papamobile is two-seat papamobile ! bold (and beautiful) play !
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pete_dushenski: " When a retired 51-year-old military man disclosed in a U.S. security clearance application that he had a 20-year affair with his former college roommate's wife, it was supposed to remain a secret between him and the government."
☟︎ pete_dushenski: what on earth would possess one to disclose such a thing on a fucking application form, in triplicate...
pete_dushenski: " The man had kept the affair secret from his wife for two decades before disclosing it on the government's innocuously named Standard Form 86 (SF 86), filled out by millions of Americans seeking security clearances. "
pete_dushenski: "The SF 86 form, which is 127-pages long, is extraordinarily comprehensive and intrusive. "
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pete_dushenski: ""It's kind of scary that somebody could know that much about us," said a former senior U.S. diplomat, pointing out the ability to use such data to impersonate an American official online, obtain passwords and plunder bank accounts."
☟︎ pete_dushenski: turns out that when you spill the beans to a piece of paper in a drawer, someone can go in and read that piece of paper !
☟︎ pete_dushenski: seriously, what are the chances of this NOT happening.
pete_dushenski: "I’m also worried they are going to identify agents in law enforcement." << exactly the plot of 'spy', this.
☟︎ pete_dushenski: database hacked by , agent identity and locations revealed, cover blown,
pete_dushenski: only solution is to put landwhale deskjockeys into the field !
jurov: ppl will do anything for 'good' job. i'm fully expecting to see alf grappling with this someday
☟︎ jurov: access to golden toilet vs. anal probing clearance
punkman: "Weird 64MB favicon.ico turning out to be a TAR backup of the whole WP site, downloaded by every browser passing by... "
☟︎☟︎ punkman: I guess you just rename your .tar to .ico
pete_dushenski: "In 2010, LEGO unleashed LEGO Universe, a massive, multiplayer game where builders of all ages could create whatever they wanted on their own digital plots. Well, almost anything: LEGO didn’t want any of the players to endow its online world with penises. After all, it was meant to be a kid-friendly place in which phalluses had no role—even its mini-fig citizens were dickless."
jurov: you were able to build penis in eulora? how?
pete_dushenski: "Management “wanted a creative building MMO [massively multiplayer online-game] with a promise of zero penises seen,” tweeted Megan Fox, a developer who worked on the project,"
☟︎ pete_dushenski: jurov: i was more thinking along the lines of the upskirt angle
pete_dushenski: "We were asked to make dong detection software for LEGO Universe too. We found it to be utterly impossible at any scale.”"
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assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:20:49; jurov: ppl will do anything for 'good' job. i'm fully expecting to see alf grappling with this someday
jurov: why a contradiction? i imagine most jobs at NSA to be such
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assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:11:29; pete_dushenski: "The SF 86 form, which is 127-pages long, is extraordinarily comprehensive and intrusive. "
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assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:17:55; pete_dushenski: "I’m also worried they are going to identify agents in law enforcement." << exactly the plot of 'spy', this.
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:22:49; punkman: "Weird 64MB favicon.ico turning out to be a TAR backup of the whole WP site, downloaded by every browser passing by... "
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:09:25; pete_dushenski: " When a retired 51-year-old military man disclosed in a U.S. security clearance application that he had a 20-year affair with his former college roommate's wife, it was supposed to remain a secret between him and the government."
pete_dushenski: as if there were a magical 'great wall' that kept out the mongols behind their keyboards
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pete_dushenski: sin, passport #, dob alone are likely sufficient from most purposes
assbot: Logged on 08-06-2015 04:27:15; asciilifeform: i, for instance, would much like to publicly register as 'anyone who walks in with my name and slave serial number and tries to take a mortgage, ever, is to be shot immediately'
pete_dushenski: on the consumer side, there's little need for concern either as it's assumed (since it's been demonstrated in the past) that the scamee will be made whole
pete_dushenski: i had my credit card number lifted in chicago a few years back, sekoority centre called me to ask about a few purchases, which i hadn't made, they cancelled the card on the spot and refunded me the charges.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:27:59; pete_dushenski: "We were asked to make dong detection software for LEGO Universe too. We found it to be utterly impossible at any scale.”"
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assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:22:49; punkman: "Weird 64MB favicon.ico turning out to be a TAR backup of the whole WP site, downloaded by every browser passing by... "
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assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:56:08; pete_dushenski: i had my credit card number lifted in chicago a few years back, sekoority centre called me to ask about a few purchases, which i hadn't made, they cancelled the card on the spot and refunded me the charges.
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mircea_popescu: i take it the unsolicited redrawing of mpex on toilet paper by kindergartners did not end up selling for the "very modest" five digit figure he had in... for lack of a better term, mind ?
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mircea_popescu: seriously, as far as the "public opinion" is concenred, "there exists a weapon that has never been used on account of it being too effectual". something that happened with nothing never, the celts used iron weapons and the europeans used machine guns and everything in between that actually worked and was actually useful was actually used. and not a little used. USED. ubiquitously used, the franks re-engineered their en
mircea_popescu: tire societal relations to make room for the horse on the battlefield.
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assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 00:25:07; jurov: "Also, programmers can also attest to the fact that long-term coding is very much a tantric, mind-altering endeavor."
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 00:32:11; jurov: dunno why I find it so funny
ben_vulpes: mebbe in that it'll drive you insane..
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 01:03:44; asciilifeform: 'Shortly thereafter, officers who had been working undercover to catch citizens attempting to self-serve, swarmed in to arrest the mostly nude man – but not before Mapes took down 3 of the 6 officers by himself.'
mircea_popescu: how is "working undercover" what you do when you sit around in a gas station "trying to catch people who self serve" ? this isn't even lance corporal, whaty officer.
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for as long as fiat financing lasts, everyone gets to pretend they're the most serene republic.
BingoBoingo: "publishes all news as shareable images, thereby bypassing a large number of restrictions and limitations, not needing clickbait, and being immune to adblock – but also paying people well, using bitcoin" << And completely ignoring the MP doesn't read text as images
mircea_popescu: "we've seen teh weird web technologies deployed on 8chan last month and we figure it's actual magic"
mircea_popescu: anyway, someone should tell falkvinge to gtfo in here and stop being retarded.
BingoBoingo: Dude prolly figures since oldmedia pays him more attention than it does mp, that he can just mash two mp ideas together and herptiy derp and whistle while he twerks
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo maybe. there should be a new word, "low functioning intelligence". the exact counterparty to high functioning autism
mircea_popescu: when an otherwise smart guy is too stupid to get out of the rain.
BingoBoingo: Sounds like an actual problem. I'd consider tossing him an invite, but he's a complete stranger. All I know him as is the pirate trying to make a qntra... but special needs.
mircea_popescu: he had some rather on point comments re bitcoin's end game in 2012
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BingoBoingo: I have vaguely familair with the name being said places, but the context is unknown to me.
mircea_popescu: needn't have "an alternative to monarchy" in terms monarchy'd comprehend. ditto re state.
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mircea_popescu: the proposition that "religion === morality" or "state===society" or "monarchy===worldview" etc is so much smarmy pretense.
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assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 03:32:36; decimation: sure, but in the end they all involve a peice of actual real estate with an actual physical structure
mircea_popescu: it pretends, and apparently convincingly, to be either or both, but it is neither. for that matter, koreans believe "the party" is equal to "the atmosphere". what of it.
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 03:37:49; decimation: not a literal us state here, state = government
mircea_popescu: this has exactly zero to do with governance in the general case.
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 03:42:37; decimation: but someone has to claim the land, and people need a place to sleep
mircea_popescu: iroquis worked fine without anyone "claiming the land". fine enough for the us to try and copy off them everything they didn't understand from french anyway
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, "Google has made undeniably made an effort" remove the first 'made' ?
ag3nt_zer0: question: does it matter what email provider I use for GPG setup? I tried to set it up with Tutanota but cannot set it up with thunderbird and enigmail which i suspected but wasn't sure until I tried... I shudder to maintain any connection to google or yahoo, but does it matter with GPG?
mircea_popescu: if you run gpg correctrly, whic his to say locally, use plaintext email
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 03:51:29; funkenstein_: malcolm x says the state becomes necessary when one needs to separate those who have from those who have not
HeySteve: sounds like the justification for a communist state
ag3nt_zer0: ok ty mircea_popescu I am pretty confused... I have been following contravex guide - so is that preparing me to run locally? Or is utilizing enigmail through thunderbird attached to a gmail account no longer local? And is it just more secure to use plaintext over html? So much to learn...
mircea_popescu: anyway, malcom x correctly identified "the state is this thing which fucks us over", but he thought it's about money (ie, what he didn't have) rather than about cocksize (ie, what the people actually employing it didn't have).
mircea_popescu: whenever you see a cripple walking on a crutch, it's a good idea to think the crutch as compensation for HIS shortcoming, not yours.
mircea_popescu: this, of course, is still uncharted territory in the mental map of the fifth millenium.
BingoBoingo: ag3nt_zer0: Just encrypt and then paste into a mail client
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 the fewer things involved, the less available to break. and yes, what he said.
mircea_popescu: we routinely pass messages here as dpaste for instance
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BingoBoingo: ag3nt_zer0: But mail client beats webmail, because webmail fuck up line endings and spacing
BingoBoingo: ag3nt_zer0: Claws is a good email client, but do your email writing and reading outside of it and encrypt/decrypt outside of it
BingoBoingo: Don't want plaintext leaking into your drafts folder...
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 04:02:58; funkenstein_: to quote noone you are likely to consider sane, you signed up when you chose to be born
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ag3nt_zer0: ok, thanks for the help guys, and please forgive the derpage, but I suppose this means do not use something like the enigmail add-on?
ag3nt_zer0: I will check out claws too thanks BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i doubt most people realise security is not an app
BingoBoingo: Also one of the greatest weapons of the shitgnomes is burying people in bad choices
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course, but what is one to do when they first encounter berries in the wilderness?
ag3nt_zer0: So I got a raspberry pi and am hoping that noodling around with this device will correct some of these fundamental misunderstanding I have...
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Russian are prettty well culturally jewish.
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: what is it that you want to learn?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's nature the dead animals don't last long before other animals see the phree protein
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 19:22:29; mircea_popescu: if the state went away tomorrow nobody'd even notice.
decimation: how would the iroquis mint chips? how would they arrange for more than 5000 humans per sq mile?
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 04:14:07; decimation: trinque: note that many people would replace orthodox Christianity with some kind of warmed-over socialism, that doesn't make their socialism Christianity (as loudly as they might protest otherwise)
mircea_popescu: decimation are you putting formal constraints on human happiness noiw ?
ag3nt_zer0: Trinque, well some basic programming would be a good place to start I think... a more fundamental understanding of the history of the cypherpunk movement, encrytion fundamentals, etc, anything that will allow me to be something more than a slave
mircea_popescu: "how would they solve the prob lem solved by chips" ios one question.
assbot: ag3nt_zer0 is not registered in WoT.
BingoBoingo: ag3nt_zer0: TI-89 is probably a better platform for play computing
ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform: yes working out the LSD kinks
mircea_popescu: might as well ask "what in your cosmography, maps the thing that ensures my eternal life past the pearly gates"
mircea_popescu: i am not responsible for the subjective delusion of inquirers.
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mircea_popescu: but otherwise, they are discussing salvation in the reliugious sense
mircea_popescu: yeah. what you don't know is that the concept of "cannibals" is alike the concept that "niggers are by nature made to be slaves"
mircea_popescu: not so observable. antrhopologically speaking, the behaviour in question is beyond rare.
decimation: ascii could also ride a nearby train in a certain direction and be the only member of his race aboard
trinque: east coast cities really do suck
mircea_popescu: in the european cultural discourse it ended up as a bit of editorializing by people without a daily mail, looking to illustrate the idiocy they read in some book.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no. about as rare as women giving birth to buses.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is no dispute that the state creates that place it supposedly defends you from.
mircea_popescu: christianity ended up creating on earht the hell it was going to save people from
decimation: except those 'christians' were departing from orthodox doctrine
mircea_popescu: decimation oh, comrade stalin betrayed the sacred ideals ?
decimation: more like, they became closet atheists and decided to use the church as a propaganda organ
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mircea_popescu: but the church is funfamentally good amirite? just it was misimplemented in practice.
decimation: people are fundamentally evil and so are their institutions
mircea_popescu: some institutions are necessarily going to fuck up because they proceed from broken presumptions.
decimation: if you read the old testament, most of the people who became prophets were hit upside the head by God and told what to do, they weren't bureaucrats receiving their sinecures
mircea_popescu: (and yes as alf points out, the "broken presumptions" are always faces of the same demon. "people are equal", his proper name)
trinque: "There is an ultimate power you can know and derive knowledge from directly, and his son absolved you of every mistake you could ever make." << fucking mind virus
trinque: the one short-circuits learning and the other justifies it
trinque: mircea_popescu: maybe, how so?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, in aids patients virulence does not follow the usual curves.
trinque: asciilifeform: yeah, got me young, still didn't take
mircea_popescu: which is to say : interacting microorganisms sorta repress each other, all the time. but in imunocompromised patient, DIFFERENT set has the upper hand
mircea_popescu: it's not just "more" or "random". it's actually different sets.
mircea_popescu: well, partly that, partly "there's no longer the state here to clean out x y z and make it livable for K M N so Q W R win out"
decimation: so, for good reasons many choose the state they know
mircea_popescu: the junkie with fifty pounds of pure heroin stashed away isn't going out in the streets either.
trinque: I don't remember choosing a state
decimation: or 'post-monarchial non-state' as the case may be
mircea_popescu: as such it is misstated, in the manner owners of slavegirls misstate the world to the slavegirls.
mircea_popescu: "would you like the beatings here or to be run over by a bus ???"
trinque: biggest contribution to choosing a state most people can make is saying "nope, not this one"
decimation: asciilifeform: what's the alternative? gentle bandits? usg with 'reform'?
trinque: eh they can in aggregate, just don't know it
mircea_popescu: i run into this question a lot. "just stop" "how ?" "by not doing it" "but i don't know how!!1"
mircea_popescu: usually it's resolved with "if you ever do this again im going to beat you with a wet dulap"
trinque: "where there's a will there's a way" ?
trinque: "You can do it!" "Manifest your destiny, brother!"
trinque: bbbzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzpppppttttssss!
trinque: "Hm... alright bring in the next one!"
mircea_popescu: mno, more like, "well... you are aware the alternative would have been being eaten by cannibals right ???"
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assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 04:33:18; funkenstein_: trinque, indeed. sounds like a small statement but you have just affirmed something big methinks
mircea_popescu: so basically... a lot of "different people" who are actually all the same guy compose a community which spent years accusing me of being hanbot ?
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 09:39:44; cazalla: i had another sober weekend so half way there to a sober month of June
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assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:13:45; pete_dushenski: ""It's kind of scary that somebody could know that much about us," said a former senior U.S. diplomat, pointing out the ability to use such data to impersonate an American official online, obtain passwords and plunder bank accounts."
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:14:35; pete_dushenski: turns out that when you spill the beans to a piece of paper in a drawer, someone can go in and read that piece of paper !
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:26:58; pete_dushenski: "Management “wanted a creative building MMO [massively multiplayer online-game] with a promise of zero penises seen,” tweeted Megan Fox, a developer who worked on the project,"
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trinque: ~or~ why doesn't the NSA file my taxes?
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo of course, the truly ridiculous thing in that inept flailing of two different groups of idiots with 100 BTC in the middle is the proposition that btc-e stealing user funds is "what any legitimate busines would have done".
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mircea_popescu: must be in backwards world, this magical place where "official replies" go to reddit and tardstalk.
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