⏐︎ 17389
BingoBoingo: %book
atcbot: 25k@239 33k@225 23k@224 | 48k@200 90k@156 10k@155
csshih: o/ BigBitz
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00096812 = 0.7745 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07410072 = 0.1482 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07452036 = 0.8197 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07455956 = 0.2237 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: if anyone is short of doge bullshit; http://moneyandtech.com/dogecon-sf-costume-contest-winner/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=dogecon-sf-costume-contest-winner
Namworld: That's some thick chest hair...
kakobrekla: i watched a bunch of episodes of computer chronicles quite some time ago, i guess this kennas show will have a similar feel in 20 years or so. the main difference though is that cc was not ran by scammers but the opposite.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17550 @ 0.00096853 = 16.9977 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: !up sull
assbot: Voicing sull for 30 minutes.
Duffer1: kakobrekla did you see the doge nascar?
sull: thanks. hey
mircea_popescu: hello. who're you ?
mircea_popescu: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 200 Ask: 224 Last Price: 170 24h-Vol: 44k High: 224 Low: 170 VWAP: 219
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: Duffer1 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2014#656103 ☝︎
sull: bitcoinpete sent me
Duffer1: ya pretty much
mircea_popescu: anyone want to lend me a billion or so of the dogecoins on a one year term ?
Duffer1: the hood of the car is worse
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0335 = 0.201 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: sull cool.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i can lend you 40000
mircea_popescu: but... still.
thestringpuller: lolol
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller what's the thing trading for, 50 satoshi per ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
Namworld: Around 100 satoshi afaik
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller 40k hardly worth the paper to print the contract on.
Namworld: Since it's about 18 bucks of dogecoins, it's probably worth the paper, just not the time.
Namworld: Unless you print on gold sheets
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23453 @ 0.00097322 = 22.8249 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0315001 = 0.189 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0335 = 0.1675 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0745599 = 0.2237 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0317301 = 0.2538 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0333001 = 0.2664 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.06474168 = 0.5179 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.00447203 = 0.1655 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: <+fluffypony> csshih: https://www.yahoo.com/tech/the-triatholight-a-300-hour-flashlight-that-seems-too-84489515654.html <- thoughts? /// yknow, a good scam here would be to include some battery power under the hood, fooling people to wow at its initial duration of use, then they put it away for a year like every other flashlight and forget about it
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: the 'battery assist' circuit is an ordinary voltage multiplier.
asciilifeform: so long as you can keep the output voltage above the junction minimum of the leds, you have some light
asciilifeform: for some reason i thought this was standard on led flashlights, but possibly the chinese omit it.
asciilifeform: likewise, since a switched voltage regulator ('boost reg' for hardware people) is not 100% efficient,
asciilifeform: this is necessarily a poorer use of the batteries than the traditional version of several 1.5v cells in series.
asciilifeform: it does, however, allow you to drain them completely
asciilifeform: (as you could in a classical, incandescent flashlight)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00097446 = 15.5914 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: why there needs to be a 'kickstarter' for a flashlight, i cannot answer. ask the gods.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12497 @ 0.00097446 = 12.1778 BTC [+]
moiety: mewning eberybady
benkay: mewity, how goes it
BingoBoingo: moiety: Check the logs, future past you was here
moiety: i'm just catching up, i missed a lot... is it just me or are the logs longer thesedays even with voicingness BB?
moiety: benkay: mewity! just woke up from an epic sleep :D feel really good, how are you?
benkay: tres duper
BingoBoingo: Yeah, they keep growing
moiety: surprised to see you actuallement BB - its fliday
BingoBoingo: moiety: Feeling under the weather.
moiety: benkay i actually say that word irl - mewity lol
moiety: oh? what kind of under the weather? temperature BB?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Weather as euphamism for feeling unwell
moiety: i know so i wondered if you had a fever
moiety: paracetamol will regulate your body temp if its jumping around
BingoBoingo: Oh, I'm working on it
moiety: BB btw paracetamol doesn't have a % ;P
moiety: though a hot toddie wouldn't go a miss if you have a cold
BingoBoingo: Cool
BingoBoingo: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--Ql5gJ_5c--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/705730827667348772.jpg
moiety: sort of unrelated but is it just me that is intensely annoyed by gawker as a website?
moiety: also i like how we don't have to re-up! when assbot takes a break kakobrekla :D
kakobrekla: it has four goldfish worth of memory
benkay: ;;later tell jurov thing's a little tricky to test. has anyone built an mpex sandbox?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mike_c: moiety: +1 can't stand it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3984 @ 0.0001459 = 0.5813 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: mike just do !down mike_c if so
mike_c: can't stand gawker :)
moiety: assbot had a tantrum!
moiety: mike_c: and it appears theres a few sites that use the same look/set up? its horrible to use
mike_c: i 3> assbot
kakobrekla: well anyway selfdown functionality is preserved
kakobrekla: i think.
mike_c: that wasn't the right emoticon
kakobrekla: a hat on tits?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0745599 = 0.2237 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: actually i expanded a feature moiety .
moiety: there is only one thing i wish for assbot. it doesn't have manuls to counteract a potential war from gribble's kittens
moiety: kakobrekla: o?
kakobrekla: yea, i guess you will see it when you see it :)
moiety: don't keep me in suspenders!
kakobrekla: but why not, i hear they are fashionable again
moiety: because i get far too excited about the bots >.>
kakobrekla: lol
kakobrekla: id rather not tell now again, so theres no disappointment.
moiety: has it been in teh logs? im still catching up
kakobrekla: no no, i just made it up
kakobrekla: ok ok i give up, too much pressure!
kakobrekla: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.85524671 BTC; +0.00456912 BTC (+0.0028%) since last check 10m 4s ago.
kakobrekla: thar
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.139999 = 0.7 BTC [-]
moiety: well you cave easily :D // very nice!
moiety: peer pressure ftw
kakobrekla: so you say, i just want to keep my teeth and fingernails
moiety: for now you have your wish kakobrekla... for now
kakobrekla: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.85487573 BTC; -0.00037098 BTC (-0.0002%) since last check 4m 59s ago.
kakobrekla: aha! a loss!
benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu you don't have an mpex sandbox environment kicking around, do you?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
moiety: i like the time check bit too
kakobrekla: that is the new part yes
kakobrekla: from ";" on
moiety: yip :D allll teh numbers!
kakobrekla: anyway, anytime you call it will fetch new data and compare it to last result from last call
kakobrekla: thats all
moiety: i think thats really handy
moiety: kakobrekla: king of bots
kakobrekla: the only reasonable way to figure out what happened with the balance yea
kakobrekla: nah not really, although lampelina was jelly at a times in the past
moiety: i tried this bot thing, i keep giving up for boredom of collating info
kakobrekla: what do you mean this bot thing
benkay: bot king
moiety: kakobrekla: like a bot but in node.js : to save me having to spoon feed things to people
moiety: an automoiety if you will
moiety: to allow me more time to do actual productive things
moiety: !discussthisyouinspirationlesspeople etc etc
kakobrekla: lolk
benkay: !up Sahtor
assbot: Voicing Sahtor for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=587709.msg6442112#msg6442112
ozbot: Klyemax Studios IPO buy/sell/trade thread
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12135 @ 0.00097474 = 11.8285 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=587618.0
ozbot: Klyemax Studios IPO (revised)
benkay: http://winkdex.com/#/
BingoBoingo: Looks like Mr Klye is back
benkay: !up Mats_cd03
assbot: Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Also related t Mr Klye:
BingoBoingo: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/live-ann-sac-the-making-of-sparklecoin.164091/
ozbot: *LIVE*[ANN][SAC] The making of SparkleCoin | Bitcointa.lk
BingoBoingo: !up GSpotAssassin___
assbot: Voicing GSpotAssassin___ for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Guy kind of took the buttcoin thing to the extreme
moiety: just discovered i could make smuxi dark, life changed
BingoBoingo: Cool, Yeah, looks different
moiety: it totally is! // what kinds of drugs is myklye on? i've always wondered
moiety: mrklye*
BingoBoingo: moiety: From my few conversations with him it seems he has at least done quite a few.
moiety: BingoBoingo: lol worldinacoin obviously found the post tl;dr : "What is there to see about Alt coin mining for it to be streamed on webcam? The computer screen?"
BingoBoingo: Yeah... Totally missed the point.
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:trilema.com perfect money corrupts absolutely
gribble: Perfect money corrupts absolutely pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/perfect-money-corrupts-absolutely/>; The discreet escort, or how Bitcoin makes prostitution ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-discreet-escort-or-how-bitcoin-makes-prostitution-unprosecutable/>; Iunie 2013 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/06>
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 333 @ 0.00097102 = 0.3233 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00096689 = 16.6305 BTC [-]
benkay: !up nick1234abcd_
assbot: Voicing nick1234abcd_ for 30 minutes.
benkay: !up PsychoticBoy
assbot: Voicing PsychoticBoy for 30 minutes.
benkay: !up LorenzoMoney
assbot: Voicing LorenzoMoney for 30 minutes.
benkay: FIGHT
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20617 @ 0.0009687 = 19.9717 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00097638 = 9.7638 BTC [+] {2}
LorenzoMoney: oh I have voice?
LorenzoMoney: yay
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07339809 = 0.8074 BTC [-] {5}
benkay: what are you going to do with it, though?
benkay: tick tock...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07333838 = 0.22 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: send a shoutout to mom, dad and all the niggaz in the hood
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07318118 = 1.1709 BTC [-] {4}
moiety: I'd like to thank my manager and everyone that made this possible!
moiety: hi mum
kakobrekla: now send her an email with the log link
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07333838 = 0.44 BTC [+]
moiety: i was just gonna say im doing that lolol
moiety: she'll be like, err wtf
kakobrekla: hehe
benkay: !up Curious_George
assbot: Voicing Curious_George for 30 minutes.
moiety: if anyone joins called gaylesmum DO NOT VOICE
moiety: kidding she wouldn't know how
kakobrekla: you so evil
moiety: >:] in a nice way though right?
kakobrekla: o yea, goes well with the slander.
kakobrekla: i think imma head off in the horizontals.
moiety: sleep well kakobrekla
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 200 @ 0.00135202 = 0.2704 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07125001 = 0.57 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: "There are ~230 little girls in Nigeria getting sold for around $12 each. I have one bitcoin. I don't know how to do hostage escrow and I don't know anyone in Nigeria, scams notwithstanding. It wouldn't be enough for all of them even if I could try to buy them back."
ThickAsThieves: ~ Reddit
ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/24lnro/there_are_230_little_girls_in_nigeria_getting/
moiety: !up trixisowned
assbot: Voicing trixisowned for 30 minutes.
moiety: ThickAsThieves: wtf, is buying them not just encouraging more being stolen and sold?
BingoBoingo: This may be an opportunity for Donald Sterling.
fluffypony: lol
cazalla: don't they fuck them for an aids cure or something?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 85 @ 0.00443706 = 0.3772 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 152 @ 0.00442464 = 0.6725 BTC [-] {5}
moiety: cazalla: witch doctors say that about babies too in some places
fluffypony: cazalla: no, that's a South African thing
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Didn't one of your presidents suppose something to that effect?
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: oh no, much worse than that
BingoBoingo: Moar Ohio hate
fluffypony: Zuma said some crap about how he took a shower after having sex with this one girl
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/05/03/ohio-continues-to-suck-monster-balls/
ozbot: Ohio Continues to Suck Monster Balls | Bingo Blog
fluffypony: so he didn't worry about HIV
BingoBoingo: Wow
fluffypony: yeah so whenever Zapiro (political cartoonist) draws him he has a shower head: http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/images/resized_images/706x410q70b5af9b0c644810b565a42ff8a99e472c.jpg
BingoBoingo: Even Magic Johnson worked harder with his staying in shape like a world class athlete and having a lot of money.
BingoBoingo: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 238 @ 0.07557901 = 17.9878 BTC [+] {16}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00096736 = 8.1742 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !t h F.MPIF
assbot: Shit. You ain't even old enough to smoke.
BingoBoingo: !t m F.MPIF
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 (25868 shares, 5.62 BTC), 7D: 0.000215 / 0.00021506 / 0.00021725 (1041356 shares, 223.96 BTC), 30D: 0.000215 / 0.00021506 / 0.00021725 (1041356 shares, 223.96 BTC)
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 446.5, vol: 7311.39347253 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 432.009, vol: 2814.53088 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 445.0, vol: 3432.14961948 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 451.0, vol: 33.33226129 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 437.041814, vol: 1494.41900000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 446.5041, vol: 8.9822751 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 450.8075, vol: 36.40883492 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 442.550468128
moiety: lol @ assbot
moiety: ;; later tell MarieLynn hello! welcome :]
gribble: Error: Spurious "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
moiety: ffs gribble
moiety: ;; later tell MarieLynn hello! welcome :)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
moiety: asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2014#656244 << we still do this when someone steals a pint, whereby the person who had the pint stolen takes the peg ☝︎
moiety: ThickAsThieves: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2014#655910 but but ...manulcoin! ☝︎
fluffypony: manulcoin even has a logo!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 995 @ 0.0001498 = 0.1491 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00096736 = 7.7872 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1055 @ 0.00015096 = 0.1593 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0749347 = 0.4496 BTC [-]
moiety: an epic logo!
BingoBoingo: ;;seen supay
gribble: supay was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 7 hours, 59 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <supay> BingoBoingo: yes, and thanks! :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07379905 = 0.1476 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07332547 = 0.7333 BTC [-]
fluffypony: so this is classic
fluffypony: customer gets hold of us demanding a refund
fluffypony: I check the USPS tracking, and it says it's delivered
fluffypony: so I'm like "lolwut" and send him the tracking info
fluffypony: he throws a huge tantrum because the area on the USPS tracking is "Pompano Beach" and he lives in "Coral Springs" which is 15 miles away from Pompano Beach
fluffypony: so I point out that "Pompano Beach" is just the area, and that the zip code matches the one he provided on his order, so as far as I can see it's been delivered
fluffypony: and he is welcome to contact USPS to confirm
benkay: this is what you get for having customers that are dumb enough to mine with gpus
fluffypony: so he switches to threatening, because that's always worked: "Please refund my money immediately, or i will go crazy all over the internet, posting in every crypto-currency forum i can find, and you will lose ALOT more than $300+ from all the bad Public relations nightmare that i create for you, i guarantee you that. Do right by me please, and i will do right by you."
fluffypony: lawlz
fluffypony looks forward to losing his ALOT
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00097194 = 2.9644 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00096809 = 9.2453 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.0745 = 1.341 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00097473 = 2.9729 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.07992195 = 0.4795 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8834 @ 0.00097473 = 8.6108 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07332547 = 0.7333 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07332547 = 0.5866 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.06474168 = 0.259 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3750 @ 0.00014947 = 0.5605 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4716125 = 0.9432 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07464688 = 0.8211 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5951 @ 0.0009747 = 5.8004 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00097158 = 6.3153 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00096957 = 10.4714 BTC [-]
FabianB: wb assbot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.074 = 0.74 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ya srsly.
mircea_popescu: so did i miss out a lot of chan ?
kakobrekla: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.87329413 BTC; +0.01841840 BTC (+0.0112%) since last check 8h 31m 14s ago.
FabianB: short logs today :)
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-april-2014-statement/ < btw
ozbot: BitBet, April 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: why there needs to be a 'kickstarter' for a flashlight, i cannot answer. ask the gods. << because why not.
mircea_popescu: i suspect the reason is purely psychological : "the people", ie, your average joe, feel disempowered by corporate technology
mircea_popescu: and so have these special support clubs to tell each other that "we're still human, because we can still make things"
mircea_popescu: much for the same reason homeless bums carry around "cool" but not actually working pieces of human tech
mircea_popescu: it's their brand, their link to humanity. they too could be counted among the living, for they too have the items.
mircea_popescu: and so in this perspective, people starting and people funding kickstarter campaigns aren't into it for the direct reason, but for the meta reason : to have been in it.
mircea_popescu: explains why all the nonsense going on in there continues to go on unabated, at any rate.
mircea_popescu: moiety: sort of unrelated but is it just me that is intensely annoyed by gawker as a website? << not really that intensely. another gossip rag, plenty of em.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/smg-april-2014-statement/ < this, btw, has a meaty misc comments section and prolly worth your read.
ozbot: S.MG, April 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: assbot:
mircea_popescu: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.85524671 BTC; +0.00456912 BTC (+0.0028%) since last check 10m 4s ago. << kakobrekla you magnificent bastard, that last check is epic.
mircea_popescu: please give me a cookie for this great idea you had.
mircea_popescu: !jp mpif
mircea_popescu: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.87049627 BTC; -0.00279786 BTC (-0.0017%) since last check 20m 24s ago.
artifexd: It would be nice if assbot knew the total investment and could thus also give a total up or down.
mircea_popescu: i'm having brain orgasms over here, this is EXACTLY the sort of thing life is all about. so i made a wonderful thing, on top of which dooglus made a wonderful thing, on top of which kakobrekla made a wonderful thing. none of these are particularly hard to do, once you have the others' stuff. but they're nigh on impossible to do if you do not. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this is motherfucking synergy, that's what that shit is.
artifexd: !b2
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1EGY79M/plain/)
artifexd: !b 3 ✂︎
artifexd: :(
mircea_popescu: "If you got here via a link to an older item, it has been purged from the database"
mircea_popescu: is dpaste fucked ?
artifexd: It works without the /plain/
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: aha! a loss! << FU FUDster!
artifexd: http://dpaste.com/1EGY79M.txt
mircea_popescu: a ty
mircea_popescu: moiety: if anyone joins called gaylesmum DO NOT VOICE <<< wasn't it stiffler's mum ?
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/812/atc-to-reach-block-50000-on-time/ ThickAsThieves check out this shit, atc diff bets are a thing now. close to 5btc collected even!
ozbot: BitBet - ATC to reach block 50000 on time
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: so he switches to threatening, because that's always worked: "Please refund my money immediately, or i will go crazy all over the internet << dunno if you've read bitbet nov report ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: nope
fluffypony: ;;google trilema bitbet november
gribble: BitBet, November 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/bitbet-november-2013-statement/>; BitBet, April 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/bitbet-april-2013-statement>; BitBet, October 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/bitbet-october-2013-statement>
mircea_popescu: pretty much the exact thing, plus an attempt to quantify the effects.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 29 @ 0.00600011 = 0.174 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.87563940 BTC; +0.00514313 BTC (+0.0031%) since last check 32m 46s ago.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.472725 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 6900 @ 0.00021725 = 1.499 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03277022 = 0.1639 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0319001 = 0.1595 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.071975 = 0.2879 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 25 @ 0.03367013 = 0.8418 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07121 = 0.1424 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 120 @ 0.07110836 = 8.533 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 250 @ 0.07037332 = 17.5933 BTC [-] {18}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.07001 = 2.8004 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.87394980 BTC; -0.00168960 BTC (-0.0010%) since last check 32m 4s ago.
mircea_popescu: %block
mircea_popescu: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 143645.47 in 1694 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -68.45
mircea_popescu: %ptp
mircea_popescu: %cm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0319101 = 0.1596 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: %lb
atcbot: [ATC Last Block] Height: 30562 Time: 2014-05-03T14:06:59Z Vout Sum: 512 Number TXs: 1 Difficulty: 455357.12903751 Hash: 000000000000096857832afbc07cd418f79d9120dcb3cf3dcb018b9bcbc7ad7d Fee: 0.00000000 Size: 552 Days Destroyed: 0 Confirmations: 1
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: .d
ozbot: 8.001 billion | Next Diff in 1450 blocks | Estimated Change: 7.3878% in 9d 7h 41m 5s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0331 = 0.1655 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03189153 = 0.1595 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/CoinDesk/~3/5cdi4FD9rfc/
fluffypony: Argh
fluffypony: http://www.coindesk.com/new-sms-bitcoin-service-aims-emerging-markets/ ☟︎
fluffypony: That's actually mildly interesting for Africa, if someone couples that with an exchange network like m-pesa's it could be disruptive
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "someone" ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I don't have the knowledge or connections to do set that up in the Northern African countries
mircea_popescu: no dice starting it in the southern ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00096844 = 5.0359 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0701 = 0.4206 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up Maciano
assbot: Voicing Maciano for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: hello Maciano
Maciano: Hi
danielpbarron hopes this is Micon
Maciano: I joined, saw your tweet
mircea_popescu: ok, how much do you know about bitcoin ?
Maciano: on possible work, what's the job?
Maciano: I've been following it since 1,5 year
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 132 @ 0.00442725 = 0.5844 BTC [-] {7}
Maciano: bought around that time
mircea_popescu: pretty cool. so what's your prior experience with aff marketing ?
Maciano: mostly economic, no programming
mircea_popescu: no programming required.
fluffypony: Nah, Vodacom (cellular service provider) and Nedbank (bank) spent millions in trying to bring M-pesa to South Africa; after a few years they don't have a substantial market and Nedbank has pulled out of the deal. Not a good market indicator.
Maciano: I'm not native English speaking, you mean SEA & marketing
mircea_popescu: who did you work for, for how long, starting hwne.
mircea_popescu: no, i mean affiliate marketing.
Maciano: Working for telecoms (T-Mobile, KPN), say 5 yrs
Maciano: before as PhD, but that wasn't for me
mircea_popescu: but specifically in affiliate marketing ?
BigBitz: Ohhh... a job interview? :D
Maciano: no.
mircea_popescu: Maciano well that's problematic then, because i quite specifically need someone with aff experience, and lots of it.
mircea_popescu: BigBitz not even the first.
BigBitz: :)
fluffypony: At least the porn dude knew the acronyms :-P
mircea_popescu: fluffypony that's a point yeah.
BigBitz: Porn <3
mircea_popescu: i meant about the market indicator.
mircea_popescu: i wonder why they failed.
BigBitz: i can haz jawb?
Maciano: OK, thought it was worth a try.
Maciano: bye then
mircea_popescu: well it was, at least now you've met us all :)
mircea_popescu: BigBitz now that all depends.
Maciano: good luck, I read your site from time to time, you've got your shit together
Maciano: adios
mircea_popescu: hopefully it stays that way. ciao.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: There's been a strong push in low-cost banking services here; there's a legal requirement for every bank to offer a low-cost banking product that doesn't exceed dictated maximum costs, so for remittance within the country (for miners sending money to their families, for eg) they just use that
fluffypony: International remittance is more interesting - there are tons of Zimbabweans and Malawians here
mircea_popescu: ah
fluffypony: But you need that agent network in the destination countries to "cash out"
mircea_popescu: myeah.
cgcardona_: morning everyone o/
fluffypony: So you kinda need to setup a multi-country operation
mircea_popescu: afaik the african boom in sms payments was mostyly driven by nigeria's oil sector
fluffypony: cgcardona_: Morns
mircea_popescu: but i readily admit i have no clue re africa.
cgcardona_: o/ fluffypony
mircea_popescu: ello cgcardona_
cgcardona_: MP o/ top of tha mornin
mircea_popescu: i think i left you a msg on gribble
mircea_popescu: but possibly on some variation of your nick
cgcardona_: me? Hmmm. now how do I check gribble messages? (googling)
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: Very much so - lots of guys from neighbouring countries going to Nigeria to work and needing to send money back to Kenya or whatevs
fluffypony: cgcardona_: When you auth to the nick I think it sends you the message
cgcardona_: hmmm. cgcardona_ is my only nick. I used cgcardona (without the _) a couple of years ago but I've unfortunately lost the password I think.
mircea_popescu: ;;notes cgcardona
gribble: Sent 1 week, 5 days, 4 hours, and 46 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> lol is it the first best largest wot ? and Sent 16 hours and 3 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2014#656509
mircea_popescu: tsk tsk.
mircea_popescu: this is why we don't want to use multiple nicks.
cgcardona_: yes, this is why super users don't lose passwords (le sigh)
danielpbarron: cgcardona_: the nickserv pass? i think they can help you with that?
mircea_popescu: lol. anyway, noted.
cgcardona_: mircea_popescu: also thanks for the heads up. truly appreciate you thinking of me.
cgcardona_: danielpbarron: yea I'll go check right now actually.
danielpbarron: ugh, why is Micon so aloof; I'd like to see these worlds collide
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: the 1,045 yo 'toss be "Raszagal, Matriarch of the Dark Templar." your intel serves you well
mircea_popescu: ok so now i have to go to an irl meeting, but! if moar twitter noobs show up on webchat, pls to voice them and tell them i'll be back in a few hours.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you know we go back a ways, he called out bfl originally, mpoe-pr backed him later on.
ThickAsThieves: <+ozbot> BitBet - ATC to reach block 50000 on time /// interesting to see so much betting, gives miners more incentive .... if they're paying attention
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: and non-DELfationary is a new kind of soap
ThickAsThieves: does someone have that referral link thing mike_c made handy? is it actually functional for referrals or just functionally random loading?
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu: ya, that's how I found out about you and this channel, actually
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: have you been inviting more? i saw that sull earlier...
danielpbarron: I've called into his live podcast many times
bitcoinpete: *sull came earlier
cgcardona: danielpbarron: mircea_popescu well that was waaaay easier than I expected
cgcardona: now does my new nick have my wot ratings?
danielpbarron: hah
cgcardona: or do I need to get them transfered
cgcardona: #shame
danielpbarron: gribble thinks you still have the _
danielpbarron: i don't think it's nearly as easy to get that changed
danielpbarron: i'll re-rate you
cgcardona: yea prob not
cgcardona: thankfully my wot score is pretty low. thanks man
cgcardona: ;;gettrust cgcardona
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user cgcardona: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=cgcardona_&dest=cgcardona | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cgcardona | Rated since: never
ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu when you mention "art" for S.MG shall be open market, does that mean: 1. It will start that way? 2. It will/won't not have a style guide as boundary? 3. Audio will be sourced likewise? (style guide? music? sfx? voice?)
cgcardona: ok give me a sec to get it all set up again.
danielpbarron: 11:01:27 <+cgcardona> thankfully my WoT score is pretty low. << don't hear that often
cgcardona: haha true.
ThickAsThieves: mp clarification on question one "start that way" as in there will there not be a base set of art for everything within the intended style of the game
cgcardona: so is it possible to delete/reassign my previous nick's gpg keys to this nick in the WoT or should i generate new keys for this nick?
danielpbarron: my favorite aspect of any long-term achievement style game has been the markets and economy; i'm pretty excited about S.MG
danielpbarron: cgcardona: i think that's possible, or I don't see why not
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00096854 = 6.6345 BTC [+] {2}
cgcardona: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 440.02, Best ask: 441.48, Bid-ask spread: 1.46000, Last trade: 441.48, 24 hour volume: 6660.14677287, 24 hour low: 438.0, 24 hour high: 455.78, 24 hour vwap: 446.941306981
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.4658678 = 9.3174 BTC [-] {8}
kakobrekla: !up micon
assbot: Insufficient rights, kakobrekla, !up yourself on PM first.
kakobrekla: fu
cgcardona: haha
cgcardona: sorry
cgcardona: !up kakobrekla
assbot: Voicing kakobrekla for 30 minutes.
cgcardona: ;-]
kakobrekla: noes!
kakobrekla: do micon
cgcardona: !up micon
assbot: Voicing micon for 30 minutes.
danielpbarron: micon!
danielpbarron: is it really you? gribble says you aren't authed :p
kakobrekla: !up grubles
assbot: Voicing grubles for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: ;;getturst assbot micon
gribble: Error: "getturst" is not a valid command.
kakobrekla: i said GET THRUST
kakobrekla: fly motherfucker
kakobrekla: ;;gettrust assbot micon
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user micon: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=micon | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=micon | Rated since: never
Apocalyptic: no WoT looks like
danielpbarron: he told me he's busy atm (on twitter); will be back later
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.475 = 1.425 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: so much effort for ping timeout.
Apocalyptic: who's this guy btw ?
kakobrekla: !up zoinky
assbot: Voicing zoinky for 30 minutes.
danielpbarron: he's the chairman of sealswithclubs.eu and host of donkdown.com, a live podcast
cgcardona: ;;rate danielpbarron #bitcoin-assets regular
gribble: Error: '#bitcoin-assets' is not a valid integer.
cgcardona: heh
danielpbarron: and he was a major voice against BFL
cgcardona: ;;rate danielpbarron 1 #bitcoin-assets regular
gribble: Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.475 = 2.85 BTC [+]
cgcardona: ah damn
danielpbarron: one sec
cgcardona: *on the outside looking in*
Apocalyptic: ty danielpbarron
danielpbarron: cgcardona: you should be good-to-go
BigBitz: I used to like Micon.......
BigBitz: then he wouldn't give me information on KingOfSports when he scammed me..... so meh.
cgcardona: cool thanks danielpbarron
BigBitz: however his "interviews" with BFL_Josh are pretty funny.
danielpbarron: I like Micon, but i've recently come to understand why online poker is essentially a scam, even if the operators aren't directly stealing
BigBitz: in what regard, number generation or?
moiety: aftermewn all
danielpbarron: BigBitz: there is no way to prove that players aren't colluding
kakobrekla: heya moiety
danielpbarron: that is why all the online poker traffic has moved to pokerstars play money
BigBitz: danielpbarron sure... plausiable.
cgcardona: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 Creator of bitbet.us and creator of #bitcoin-assets
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.
BigBitz: but don't most limit connections per IP etc.
BigBitz: [ yes proxies, vpn not hard ]
moiety: <mircea_popescu> wasn't it stiffler's mum ? << i are not stiffler!
cgcardona: ;;rate fluffypony 1 seen often in #btc-assets
danielpbarron: (where players actually BUY play chips from pokerstars, knowing they won't be able to cash out their winnings)
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user fluffypony has been recorded.
kakobrekla: danielpbarron are you an expert on this field?
danielpbarron: BigBitz: that just means the casual players can't collude (so what?)
moiety: hey kakobrekla did you sleep well?
danielpbarron: kakobrekla: no, correct me if i'm wrong
cgcardona: ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 didn't become the richest person you know by accident. cookie eating bitlord
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.
BigBitz: Ah you think the high rollers/industry players or operaters are colluding?
kakobrekla: actually i got woken up by a phone call from hanbot, moiety, so i was interrupted :)
cgcardona: sorry for the noise everyone - rerating now that I'm in control of the non (_) nick
danielpbarron: BigBitz: I think there is a financial incentive to create colluding bot nets
BigBitz: Agree, for sure.
Apocalyptic: why do people here call her hanbot ?
cgcardona: ;;rate cgcardona_ 1 My previous nick—it's now cgcardona
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cgcardona_ has been recorded.
Apocalyptic: hannah is much nicer
kakobrekla: cause thats her nick here?
Apocalyptic: sounds like a bot name to me
BigBitz: kakobrekla Y U SO SMERT?
moiety: kakobrekla: go back to bed! it's caturday :D
kakobrekla: moiety i did actually. got up a bit later then, at 4pm.
danielpbarron: I host a house game of poker every saturday night; that's where poker works: where I can see all the players and catch them colluding
moiety: same here actually, just woke up and its 4:30 here aalllll teh sleeps [but i was making up for being up for 2 days]
kakobrekla: danielpbarron no, you seemed to me like you have some first hand experience with that, so i asked.
danielpbarron: and also, it's a WoT thing, I only invite friends and family
danielpbarron: oh, you mean colluding? no, never
kakobrekla: k
danielpbarron: not with bots that is; i have in the past been on skype with a friend, but it always bothered me
danielpbarron: like years back when pokerstars still did FIAT
BigBitz: danielpbarron yes agree with that also.
BigBitz: Ah yeah US can't play Pokerstars fiat.
BigBitz: or any poker fiat, really, right?
danielpbarron: we always ended up losing money whenever we did that; it's too much to try to think of when I should really be focusing on getting reads out of the other players
danielpbarron: but a bot-net can crunch all those numbers pretty fast
danielpbarron: BigBitz: right, unless it's hosted by a IRL casino
BigBitz: yeah...
BigBitz: I even tried poker calcs...
BigBitz: always sucked.
BigBitz: didn't tell me anything I didn't know or couldn't work out.
cgcardona: ok gonna test my new passwords w/ freenode/nickserv && gribble/assbot. bbias
danielpbarron: well these bot nets can control like half a table, so when you get AK: they might know that 2 aces and 1 king got folded already, and their QJ is a strong hand
BigBitz: Yup.
ThickAsThieves: http://devilsadvocate.biz/the-denomination-decimal-designation-debate-revisited/
ozbot: The Denomination Decimal Designation Debate, Revisited
cgcardona: boom
cgcardona: ok cool. the old nick cgcardona_ will no longer be active.
danielpbarron: heh, i fell for the whole mBit thing that all the "support the community" folk were pushing; now I prefer to see all 8 decimal places after the 0
cgcardona: why oh why doesn't nickserv turn ENFORCE on by default?
cgcardona: what could be the reasoning behind such a default setting?
danielpbarron: i think the meme is: "because idiots"
cgcardona: meaning what? That people will squat on nicks or that people wouldn't be able to handle putting in their pass each time?
danielpbarron: meaning that most users aren't using nickserv for the WoT and don't care if someone else is on their nick when they are gone
cgcardona: ;;later tell MarieLynn Regarding http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2014#656509 I'm a rails dev ☝︎
gribble: The operation succeeded.
cgcardona: ah I see what you mean
cgcardona: yea most people def aren't in the wot and don't care
danielpbarron: and they are dumb, and they would get confused if nickserv forced them to type a password every time
cgcardona: just to check I just ran `info name_of_op` in another room I hang out in and he didn't have it turned on either
danielpbarron: there are a lot of high profile Bitcoin users in other channels who don't auth with gribble; it's just not important to them
ThickAsThieves: maybe they just arent actually important to anyone important
ThickAsThieves: this starts shortly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqlvk51uS1M
danielpbarron: high profile doesn't necessarily mean important; it usually means the opposite
ThickAsThieves: mitbitcoinexpo.org for schedule
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.63712348 BTC to 8`391 shares, 31428 satoshi per share
danielpbarron: or else this channel would be too busy to read
ThickAsThieves: mostly MIT dorks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] [PAID] 2.17250000 BTC to 86`900 shares, 2500 satoshi per share
kakobrekla: >Join us on May 3rd for one of the most exciting Bitcoin Expos ever! Speakers from the Bitcoin Foundation, Circle Internet Financial, Armory Technologies, and more. See more at
kakobrekla: how do you measure 'excitement'?
ThickAsThieves: in MIT penises
kakobrekla: a
ThickAsThieves: http://it.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/24gknv/im_jesse_eisinger_a_pulitzerwinning_financial/ch6x01b
cgcardona: ok i've removed all my previous wot ratings from the cgcardona_ account and rerated w/ my new nick. If i had previously rated you and you don't see it now w/ the new nick let me know and I'll fix that. thanks
danielpbarron: hm, that's pretty smooth; good to know if I ever decide to switch to using 'BitcoinBarron' (which i've already registered)
BigBitz: It's simple! :)
cgcardona: yea it wasn't too painful but it could suck if you had a huge WoT score.
BigBitz: anyone going to BitFin in Ireland?
danielpbarron: although someone took the .com already (i guess once Bitcoin hit the mainstream, squatters registered every mispelling relating to Bitcoin)
ThickAsThieves: yknow one thing that really sucks about Bitcoin conferences is how they spend so much time talking about what it is
danielpbarron: !up Micon
assbot: Insufficient rights, danielpbarron, !up yourself on PM first.
danielpbarron: !up Micon
assbot: Voicing Micon for 30 minutes.
Micon: tyvm assbot, DPB
danielpbarron: :D
danielpbarron: ;;gettrust Micon
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user Micon: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=danielpbarron&dest=Micon | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Micon | Rated since: never
Micon: so what is the fuss about DBP?
danielpbarron: idk, mircea_popescu wanted to talk business with you, and this is where those conversations usually happen
danielpbarron: but he's busy at the moment
BigBitz: Is it SRSBIZNZ?
Micon: so like, this isn't FED heaven?
BigBitz: No such place, Micon.
danielpbarron: if the FED is smart, they have a rep in here
Micon: so maybe not the best place to talk business :) ?
Micon: just tell me if I'm missing something :)
danielpbarron: there is nothing to hide here
danielpbarron: this isn't a place for scammers
ThickAsThieves: not the best to scam or commit crime, sure
ThickAsThieves: but business
ThickAsThieves: good place
Micon: fair enough. I may have business to bring here in the future. Always listening, as well
cgcardona: ;;rate ThickAsThieves 1 #bitcoin-assets regular
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user ThickAsThieves has been recorded.
ThickAsThieves: ty
cgcardona: np
danielpbarron: Micon: sorry I haven't called in to your show in a while, i've been so busy lately I space out on the time
Micon: that's cool, I shut down the site until it's fixed. should be soon-ish
ThickAsThieves: Micon, I know I know your name, but it escapes me, what do you do? Was it SWC?
Micon: SwC = sealswithclubs.eu
ThickAsThieves: cool cool
danielpbarron: he was one of the first to call out BFL
Micon: largest bitcoin poker site. I am site pro / affiliate manager / marketing director / TD
ThickAsThieves: i recall the BFL videos and coverage
BigBitz: Micon nuke that KingOfSports kid.
BigBitz: SwC and BFL_Josh hilarity.
cgcardona: BigBitz: yea that was funny
Micon: yes, and BLF_Josh tried to live-troll me but I re-trolled him harder
Micon: I saw recently my man Cyrus Farivar from Ars / NPR lit up BFL harder than I have ever seen before. Love seeing real legal action happening to those fucks
danielpbarron: i think MP is interested in the "affiliate manager" aspect of your experience
ThickAsThieves: Josh will be at the Amsterdam conference
Micon: They are at all conferences. We should have an elite team that shows up and paintballs him each time he shows up
ThickAsThieves: I'm still waiting for you guys to submit questions to presenters for me to ask: http://devilsadvocate.biz/amsterdam-bitcoin-conferences-quantum-mining-and-the-future/
Micon: seroiusly, paintball guns. always vs. Zerlan. Every conference until they stop showing up IMO
BigBitz: I met Josh at BTC London...
BigBitz: and I'll be honest - he's affable.
ThickAsThieves: paintball guns would get me jailed
BigBitz: quite clearly a lying, cheating, cunt, but... affable.
Micon: +1
ThickAsThieves: therefore your request is disqualified
Micon: Solid snake oil salesman
BigBitz: Micon sure.
danielpbarron isn't interested in acts of violence
BigBitz: I had a very good chat with him.
BigBitz: Clearly it was all utter bullshit...
BigBitz: but he can hold a conversation.
ThickAsThieves: so can a car salesman
BigBitz: ThickAsThieves yeah - that's his "job" I was just, surprised, I guess :)
danielpbarron: Micon: do you have a GPG key?
Micon: obv
BigBitz: Also - very tall.
Micon: attached to every email I send...
danielpbarron: ;;eauth
gribble: (eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
Micon: http://pastebin.com/R1SWJhtp
ozbot: Micon PGP - Pastebin.com
danielpbarron: Micon: so get in the WoT!
Micon: so how? why?
BigBitz: ;;gpg info Micon
gribble: No such user registered.
danielpbarron: Micon: so we can be sure that the Micon we're talking to today is the same as any Micons in the future
danielpbarron: and also to confirm that you are in fact the Micon of SWC fame
cgcardona: ^
ThickAsThieves: and so you can build a rep in this meta world
danielpbarron: and then I can give you a rating, and then you can voice yourself
Micon: I mean... it all seems odd / gamable to me
moiety: cgcardona; danielpbarron: getting the client to autosign-in is obv too difficult for some people. does bug me though if nickserv has a freak out and you re-identify, it unauths you from the wot
Micon: all the WoT's I have ever seen are "scammers climb to the top" situations
danielpbarron: feel free to voice concerns, i'm sure they can be easily refuted
bitcoinpete: micon: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation
benkay: * danielpbarron isn't interested in acts of violence << i love a good bit of the old ultra-violence
BigBitz: Micon that is a possibility with any WoT.
danielpbarron: Micon: don't pay attention to "total rating scores," that's where the scammers show up
moiety: <kakobrekla> how do you measure 'excitement'?
moiety: <ThickAsThieves> in MIT penises // lol bashing that
BigBitz: I need to watch out then. I have a considerable total rating, danielpbarron.
danielpbarron: BigBitz: it's not definitive
ThickAsThieves: Micon, it's not gameable in the sense that it is a tool that references who trusts whom
BigBitz: Heh, I know... I know... :)
ThickAsThieves: it is not meant for just looking at the score
ThickAsThieves: that would be incorrect usage
Micon: For me personally, coming from the poker world, being insanely google-able and IRL verfiable, and especially because I spend every June at Rio since 2006, being on bitcointalk and doing btc trades here in Vegas since 2011... most ppl don't have any issue if they need to trust me.
ThickAsThieves: it is meant for connecting people you trust
BigBitz: ;;gettrust ThickAsThieves
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BigBitz to user ThickAsThieves: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BigBitz&dest=ThickAsThieves | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ThickAsThieves | Rated since: Sat Mar 2 11:19:18 2013
danielpbarron: Micon: for example, it works like this ,,(gettrust danielpbarron BigBitz)
BigBitz: Micon the issue is you could be anyone.
Micon: sure
danielpbarron: huh, that only works in otc?
Micon: but I could tweet that I'm me right now
BigBitz: joining the WoT and using your key provides the integrity.
danielpbarron: ;;gettrust danielpbarron BigBitz
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask BigBitz!~BigBitz@unaffiliated/bigbitz. Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user BigBitz: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 19 via 17 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=danielpbarron&dest=BigBitz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BigBitz | Rated since: Fri Apr 26 11:13:53 2013
BigBitz: danielpbarron you do it like ;;gettrust danielpbarron BigBitz
ThickAsThieves: what Google is missing is the ability to verify you in a live situation, and the ability to have a "ledger" on your trust transactions with people
danielpbarron: the thing i did would have worked in -otc
Micon: sure I'll join, I'm just explaining why I think WoT's in general do not preform the function the legitimate traders want
ThickAsThieves: another perk is generally supporting the movement
Micon: for me verification in live situation is super, duper easy
Micon: I'm totally down to generally support the movement
danielpbarron: Micon: I can explain how the opposite is true
Micon: so I'll gladly sign something with my key to get in
BigBitz: Micon type ;;eregister <GPG Key ID>
ThickAsThieves: because if we get more use of the WoT, it allows new systems to develop on it
BigBitz: ;;gettrust BigBitz ThickAsThieves
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BigBitz to user ThickAsThieves: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BigBitz&dest=ThickAsThieves | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ThickAsThieves | Rated since: Sat Mar 2 11:19:18 2013
Micon: also non-0 chance I'll need to raise a quick $2M worth of btc for big SwC share :)
BigBitz: weak trust ThickAsThieves :(
ThickAsThieves: weak trust BigBitz ;)
moiety: <Micon> but I could tweet that I'm me right now << but you could also have a fake corresponding tweeter for this purpose
cgcardona: I play music and recently I'm going to start signing the lon/lat && timestamp right before I come on stage and flash it on the screen
ThickAsThieves: cgcardona are you familiar with MF Doom?
Micon: Moiety - My twitter account is 2009 and 5k+ real followers
ThickAsThieves: he'd have imposters do his shows sometimes
cgcardona: ThickAsThieves: no -- googling now
cgcardona: oh cool
cgcardona: does he wear a mask? noone noticed?
ThickAsThieves: mask, yeah
ThickAsThieves: some people noticed
cgcardona: haha. classic
moiety: re BigFuckingLiar Josh @ London, he apologised to a lot of people who ate it up and were interested in the next bunch of lies he was wanting to send out [at a delayed timeframe]
BigBitz: moiety sure he did - that's his "Job" :)
moiety: Micon: lots of people have old accounts and you can buy followers
danielpbarron: Micon: you can prove your twitter is you; see keybase.io
BigBitz: I thought there would have been another BTC London this year but appears not.
danielpbarron: Micon: but again, it requires GPG signing
Micon: but then you guys are trusting that GPG key is real-micon
moiety: BigBitz: did you see half way to the actual date, they bumped up ticket prices?
Micon: i just gave you a random pastebin with a GPG key
moiety: i tweetered at them but didnt get a response
danielpbarron: Micon: you can prove that you have access to modify sealswithclubs.eu with your GPG key
danielpbarron: Micon: that way, we know that it's the same Micon accross the board
BigBitz: moiety last year?
moiety: yep
BigBitz: Really?
moiety: yep
BigBitz: I think I paid like 3.5/4BTC
Micon: i could modify SwC.eu, but how with GPG key?
moiety: almost coubled ticket prices from what they started at
BigBitz: Hateful.
BigBitz: It was a nice event, though.
danielpbarron: Micon: you host your pub key on the root
BigBitz: l39 is a nice location.
Micon: ah
danielpbarron: Micon: instead of pastebin
danielpbarron: err.. not that
Micon: that's a good idea
danielpbarron: you host a signed message or something
moiety: i cancelled going at the last minute BigBitz then regretted it
Micon: just have the key and a signed msg in many places like that
BigBitz: I enjoyed it.
thestringpuller: mod6: where you at? stop being tired.
danielpbarron: Micon: i can invite you to keybase, they make it really easy to do all that
BigBitz: Lots of morons there though.
moiety: as tobe expected, nothing is moron free all of the time
Micon: brb later guys / DPB if you send me how to verify myself with my key I'll do it in a bit
BigBitz: Yup... Yup... :)
Micon: tyvm for the invite / glglglgl
moiety: see you later micon, take care :]
danielpbarron: Micon: can i use the email you already tweeted at MP?
thestringpuller: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified.
thestringpuller: damn
thestringpuller: ;;eauth
gribble: (eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
thestringpuller: ;;eauth thestringpuller
gribble: Request successful for user thestringpuller, hostmask thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/0FF2943DA179E169
thestringpuller: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:f402d5aedc0aca6dfef9d0d658f4b79acf400e99872a09f553dce778
gribble: You are now authenticated for user thestringpuller with key 0FF2943DA179E169
thestringpuller: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
thestringpuller: ;;rate ThickAsThieves 2 Has good taste in hip-hop.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user ThickAsThieves has been recorded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00441573 = 0.1766 BTC [-]
cgcardona: so I've been thinking about a group of SuperUsers called 'The church of Sudo', 'The Cult of the SuperUser', and/or 'Order of Root'. Also known as 'The Web' -- I thought that the WoT/+v could be an interesting real world model as well. So a person shows up at the SuperUser underground lair and has to sign a message w/ their key and then retina scan/fingerprint to get access.
BigBitz: Hip Hop, you say.
BigBitz: Wu Tang Clan or gtfo.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 290 @ 0.00594957 = 1.7254 BTC [-] {19}
cgcardona: BREAM
cgcardona: (bitcoin rules everything around me)
cgcardona: get the bitcoins! satoshi-satoshis y'all!
BigBitz: Lol.
thestringpuller: cgcardona: it's get the hashes, crypto-crypto coin
cgcardona: nice
thestringpuller: gpg rules everything around me GREAM
thestringpuller: ;;google wu-tang clan ain't nuttin to fuck wit
gribble: Wu Tang Clan Ain't Nothing To Fuck With - Wu Tang Clan - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opbUESNnCe0>; Wu Tang Clan - Wu Tang Clan Ain't Nuthin' To Fuck With - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvY6DU-uEiw>; Wu Tang Clan Ain't nothing to fuck with - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wFUSXqf9QE>
moiety: cgcardona: here-in lay the super users tho, i doubt they will move
cgcardona: moiety: you mean you doubt they'll meet up afk?
moiety: o i see what you mean now. that's a bit tricky when everyone is scattered
thestringpuller: not really
thestringpuller: why would someone meet in person?
thestringpuller: it's dangerous
cgcardona: ummm sex
thestringpuller: a super group in one place at one time?
moiety: conferences and such
cgcardona: jk
thestringpuller: a well placed bomb takes em all out
cgcardona: there are lots of reasons to meet in person
thestringpuller: not for long periods of time or very often
cgcardona: well I'm assuming the SuperUser underground lair is a safe haven for all
thestringpuller: imo at least
moiety: but thing is, if people go to the effort of getting plane tickets etc, they tend to have passports and stuff? you don't really squat a plane ticket/meet up
thestringpuller: that requires you to trust the proprietor of the underground lair
cgcardona: and sure the meetings would never be too long.
cgcardona: thestringpuller: several people just met up w/ MP in romaina
moiety: so you want people to pay a lot for travel for a short assed meet up?
cgcardona: *Romani
cgcardona: oh geez
moiety: seems legit
cgcardona: you know what I mean
thestringpuller: cgcardona: MP had security...
thestringpuller: has*
cgcardona: and you think the owner of the SuperUser underground lair wouldn't (this is all hypothetical)
cgcardona: i'm suggesting the people who show up would trust the proprieter of the lair
moiety: and so why would they need to scan their eyeballs?
cgcardona: moiety: I'm also suggesting that price doesn't matter to this group of people
moiety: but time, probably will ^
cgcardona: moiety: well the keys would confirm they are the digital person and the fingerprint/eyes would prove they are the human behind the keys
cgcardona: moiety: yes time matters far more than btc
thestringpuller: cgcardona: i imagine that secret society meetings never happen in the same place twice for good reason
moiety: purpose of these meet-ups being business or social?
cgcardona: thestringpuller: yes and no - there are online documentation of 'secret societies' which meet up yearly in the same place. but yea they aren't really secret. Real secret societies probably do meet up in different places each time
moiety: hell why not get a secret handshake in there too
cgcardona: moiety: prob both. but I'm imagining SuperUsers are mostly business
cgcardona: moiety: done (secret TCP handshake added)
moiety: :]
thestringpuller: I would expect SuperUsers to have a mobile brothel for "socializing"
cgcardona: yes I would as well
thestringpuller: i don't trust femme fatales
danielpbarron: if Bitcoin gets to the point where I can't spend it unless I have a mark on my hand or forehead, that's when I divest from Bitcoin and start street preaching
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/2BR5YF9/plain/)
thestringpuller: !bash 1
thestringpuller: Bitcoin becomes the end times ~_~
thestringpuller: Christians would go fanatical over that...
danielpbarron: i'm not sure yet; it could be the good money that the beast tries to suppress with his mark
bitcoinpete: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/05/02/hurting-the-poor-by-helping-them/
cgcardona: What do you guys/gals think of darkwallet ?
ozbot: Hurting The Poor, By Helping Them | When Bitcoin Met Pete
cgcardona: it's got hella buzz right now
danielpbarron: cgcardona: i think i wasted $25 on its kickstarter :/
cgcardona: i've been watching a bunch of cody wilson interviews over the last couple of days and it's an interesting idea
bitcoinpete: cgcardona: decent enough idea, if taint were a problem
cgcardona: danielpbarron: why? you think its vaporware?
bitcoinpete: and taaki weren't involved
danielpbarron: cgcardona: taaki
dexX7: bitcoinpete: Error establishing a database connection
dexX7: ah a refresh did it
bitcoinpete: ;;google trilema bitcoin taint
gribble: Guidance : There Is No Such Thing As Bitcoin Taint. pe Trilema - Un ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint/>; On July 29, 1914 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/on-july-29-1914/>; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>
cgcardona: yea people seem to be down on him but I've not met him before.
bitcoinpete: dexX7: phew
dexX7: hehe ;)
cgcardona: wow the Trilema header changed
cgcardona: no more monopoly money?!
bitcoinpete: cgcardona: i still see monopoly
dexX7: clear your cache
cgcardona: bitcoinpete: I'm seeing http://imgur.com/5e6LSSG
danielpbarron: i liked the old one, but it wasn't the most aesthetically pleasing design
cgcardona: well the old one had such a good message w/ the monopoly money
danielpbarron: ya
bitcoinpete: cgcardona: slightly more frightening, slightly less tongue-in-cheek
cgcardona: yea I wonder who did the drawing?
bitcoinpete: "Truthcoin is my ambitious project to create a trustless P2P prediction-marketplace. This is possible because, unlike most marketplaces, the end product of a prediction market (PM) is information."
bitcoinpete: "The end result is the first of its kind: a market for actual prediction-commodities, which have a value based on their accuracy and not based on the behaviour of any administrator, rival trader, or counterparty."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00096958 = 11.7804 BTC [+] {2}
bitcoinpete: "Contract outcomes are determined in a trustless and decentralized way, through a weighted vote based on present and past consensus with a unique Nash Equilibrium where all voters report accurately on the state of markets."
bitcoinpete: https://github.com/psztorc/Truthcoin <<goodness gracious ☟︎
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07145013 = 1.429 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: can we just exile these n00bs to an island and do battle royale?
thestringpuller: the ones who survive get to do useful shit? y/n?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 17 @ 0.03318207 = 0.5641 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell Micon The practical reason to register with Gribble and the WoT at the moment is to get self voicing privileges passed to you.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
bitcoinpete: Nic Cary , the CEO of Blockchain.info, interviews Fereshteh Forough and Roya Mahboob about the Women's Annex Foundation initiative which helps and supports women through education and technology, starting from Afghanistan. The content providers on the Women's Annex platform are getting paid with the Digital Currency Bitcoin which allow them to finance their expenses and costs easily without facing problems with the banking system an
bitcoinpete: transaction fees.
bitcoinpete: http://www.filmannex.com/movie/blockchain-ceo-nicolas-cary-talks-with-roya-mahboob-and-fereshteh-forough-of-womens-annex-on-how-bitcoin-supports-women-in-developing-countries/43868
ozbot: Blockchain CEO Nicolas Cary talks with Roya Mahboob and Fereshteh Forough of Women's Annex on how Bi
bitcoinpete: worst url
thestringpuller: bitcoinpete is better than the lamestream media
bitcoinpete: thestringpuller: this is exactly the point
bitcoinpete: conversations, news, this channel has it all
bitcoinpete: So the financial post, out of toronto, has a weekly feature on an older couple and their preparedness for retirement
bitcoinpete: this week's couple has saved $2.7M and the post decided that this was only 2/5 stars of readiness
bitcoinpete: which i think is fair given inflation and a few decades of travel, etc
bitcoinpete: my buddy thinks that this is "so out of touch because if I am reading this, with no savings, I wonder what the entire point is. it should at least add a context."
bitcoinpete: except no one with savings reads the fucking financial post article on retirement
bitcoinpete: they read the rags or they watch tv or facebook
bitcoinpete: *no one without
bitcoinpete: people think that we should cater everything to some imaginary poor person who might be offended. c'mon now
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust bitcoinpete
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@unaffiliated/bitcoinpete. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user bitcoinpete: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=bitcoinpete | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcoinpete | Rated since: Fri Mar 28 09:14:47 2014
thestringpuller: nice
bitcoinpete: ooo http://bitcoinjobfair.com today!
thestringpuller: I kinda want to apply at bitpay because they are nearby
thestringpuller: no need to relocate just change my commute
thestringpuller: and they would pay me in bitcoin...
thestringpuller: God that sounds fucking appealing as shit :(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4799 BTC [+]
chetty: http://www.cato.org/blog/new-frontiers-regulatory-overreach?
ozbot: New Frontiers in Regulatory Overreach | Cato @ Liberty
bitcoinpete: chetty: vancouver is very pro-bear
bitcoinpete: they used to have an nba basketball team called the grizzlies
bitcoinpete: the bear lobby is not one to be messed with
Apocalyptic: can someone recommend a relevant venue for following financial news ?
bitcoinpete: Apocalyptic: https://twitter.com/WSJCentralBanks
chetty: Suggests Full Employment Could Be Reached In Six Months ---hmm does that count all those that have quit looking?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07136398 = 0.785 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: http://blog.btcjam.com/post/84570971322/peer-to-peer-lending-will-change-developing-countries
fluffypony: BTCJam have good ideas, they just have no clue how to bring it to fruition
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: implementation requires more formality and skill than btcjam and others imagine
fluffypony: yeah
bitcoinpete: p2p lending is sold as if it works iteself
fluffypony: also people in developing countries don't have an eBay or PayPal account
Apocalyptic: btcjam is more like a p2p scamming last I heard
fluffypony: which precludes their using BTCJam
bitcoinpete: "developing countries" are plenty developed and sustainable w/o our garbage
kakobrekla: its not implementation, its the bitcoin appreciation and volatility that makes this doa
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: see my last blog ;)
bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: that's part of their implementation, neh?
kakobrekla: hows that?
bitcoinpete: Apocalyptic: pretty much
fluffypony: kakobrekla: BTC can be used purely as the medium of exchange, pegged to the local exchange rate, if the lenders aren't long on Bitcoin
kakobrekla: most of the loans that are taken get converted into fiat, meaning autofucked
kakobrekla: how are you going to fix this with implementation
kakobrekla: meh medium of exchange gtfo
fluffypony: why not?
fluffypony: not everyone is long on Bitcoin, it's not a prerequisite for its use
benkay: fluffypony: you're starting to sound a lot like the20year
fluffypony shrugs
benkay: "i'm just providing a vehicle for people to go short btc!"
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: i'd argue that it's too big of a pain to use for a long position to not be a pre-req
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: ok but let's focus on the lending space - at the moment there is already a thriving p2p micro-lending market in some countries, mostly unregulated. The problem is that the cost of transacting makes it impossible for people outside of that country to get involved.
fluffypony: that also means that lenders don't need to know much more than how to get money on to BitStamp and then withdraw the BTC to their [insert loan site here] account
fluffypony: and the reverse for repayments
dignork: fluffypony: micro-lending shop will face the same problem with BTC funding - they have to go short on BTC since they provide loans in fiat
fluffypony: dignork: yep, I think I'm talking purely about using BTC as a way of getting around the cross-border issues
bounce: do you have any reason to assume microlending to faraway countries will go any better than loaning on irc or whatwasthatsiteagain?
benkay: fluffypony: the real issue is that microloans have a pretty bad return, what with having to chase anonymous poverty-ensnared people all over their shithole country/favela
fluffypony: benkay: I fully agree on that
benkay: remittances, though...
fluffypony: I'm not suggesting that microlending to Malawians is ultra-profitable (or at all)
benkay: fuck lending.
benkay: do remittances.
benkay: a BTC operation doing remittances would slay.
benkay: i want to get some skin into the remittance game, but haven't figured out how to.
fluffypony: benkay: TagPesa seem to have that in the bag...just a pity about their involvement with Seedcoin II: The Wrath of Seedz
benkay: just because someone's doing it doesn't mean to not do it.
fluffypony: sure
fluffypony: we spoke about this today in fact
fluffypony: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-05-2014#657090 ☝︎
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
benkay: i'd take an entirely different tack
benkay: gotta be quick 'cause i'm on my way to a walk
benkay: but
benkay: go somewhere with a serious expat community in the habit of sending money home, make friends in that group, figure out what it's costing to get money where they need it moved, and then move it with btc.
benkay: but start small, none of this raise capital and scale crap
benkay: one person in each of two cities doing the changing
benkay: expand the network from there.
fluffypony: yeah, that's precisely what TagPesa is has done with the South Sudanese expats living in Australia
fluffypony: s/is has/has
benkay: it's a pretty high touch approach, which is why i'd expect to be able to carve out a niche in the space
benkay: like
benkay: the pines and cruise lines
benkay: phillipines*
benkay: anyways
benkay: walk o'clock
fluffypony: have fun
chetty: benkay: > argentina
fluffypony: http://it.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/24gknv/im_jesse_eisinger_a_pulitzerwinning_financial/ch6wfib
fluffypony: http://reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/24gknv/im_jesse_eisinger_a_pulitzerwinning_financial/ch6wfib
fluffypony: "Bitcoin is a mad, technoutopian fever dream that will end in tears, if it hasn't already."
fluffypony: - Jesse Eisinger, Pulitzer-winning financial reporter
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24701 @ 0.00096676 = 23.8799 BTC [-] {4}
dignork: Localbitcoins got p0wned through social engineering: http://localbitcoins.blogspot.fi/2014/05/attack-against-localbitcoins.html
kakobrekla: oh my.
kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=593815.0
ozbot: Overstock.com CEO interested in NXT asset exchange
kakobrekla: >>I do not know NXT, but I am interested in finding (and even potentially investing in) efforts to create a peer-to-peer capital market. In fact, if a good solution emerges, you might even see Overstock be the first issuer of a stock or bond in such a market, just to help things get going! (Incidentally, we were the first to do a Dutch auction IPO, for precisely that reason.)
fluffypony: kakobrekla: so they're going to lend legitimacy to all the scammy DACs
fluffypony: great
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 41 @ 0.07594902 = 3.1139 BTC [+] {9}
kakobrekla: oh my, dac.
cgcardona: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 432.45, Best ask: 434.5, Bid-ask spread: 2.05000, Last trade: 434.5, 24 hour volume: 7518.22015233, 24 hour low: 431.0, 24 hour high: 455.78, 24 hour vwap: 443.02536701
dexX7: wasn't nxt abandoned?
fluffypony: dexX7: I gave up following the altcoin drama
dexX7: hehe
dexX7: yea, there is probably too much
moiety: drama on teh interwebz? never!
fluffypony: every time a coin dev disappears then someone picks up the reigns and "relaunches" it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00097106 = 8.0598 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: and then the original dev reappears
dexX7: some could call this improvement
fluffypony: and the relaunch is abandoned
dexX7: okay, not this hehe
fluffypony: lol
moiety: there was a right mess with those tox devs
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2014/05/03/shawn_hogan_ceo_of_digital_point_solutions_and_former_ebay_affiliated_marketer.html
ozbot: Shawn Hogan, CEO of Digital Point Solutions and former eBay affiliated marketer, is sentenced to $25
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 101 @ 0.00649284 = 0.6558 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: soo
mircea_popescu: yo Micon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00097187 = 2.3325 BTC [+]
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: damn, that case took forever
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Good ones do. My disorderly conduct case has now exceeded a year in length.
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: disorderly conduct? tl;dr / blog post?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves im not sure i get what you're asking there.
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: I don't like to comment much on the pending case other than, allegedly some political speech was said.
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: time to move to South Africa, we're not particularly litigious
mircea_popescu: !up frank1e
assbot: Voicing frank1e for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: When I jump ship I'm looking more towards south or central america.
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: do they have baseball there?
fluffypony: :-P
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Of course. Many of the great players come from the region and many of the US players play in their Winter leagues as well.
fluffypony: yeah better deal than South Africa from that perspective then
fluffypony: we have lions and tigers and sunsets and stuff
BingoBoingo: Also I can kinda speak spanish. Also less aids and Ebola.
mircea_popescu: cgcardona: why oh why doesn't nickserv turn ENFORCE on by default? << because security should not be the default ?
cgcardona: really? what are your thoughts there?
cgcardona: seems like security should be the default
mircea_popescu: why ?
mircea_popescu: there's nothing default about security.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, children are born naked. you clothe them after.
BingoBoingo: cgcardona: You have to realize a lot of non-Bitcoin freenode is tech support for a lot of projects, and... If they locked out every name forever, it would be a pain coming up with unique names every time you don't care to remember a password.
BingoBoingo: If you care about your name, you can work to keep it.
mircea_popescu: also this.
cgcardona: fair enough
BingoBoingo: Unique names are a non-trival problem in large networks.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla "Speakers from the Bitcoin Foundation, Circle Internet Financial" << so much speaking these doods do.
fluffypony: we should start the Bitcoin Assets Foundation
cgcardona: Reggae band called 'The Bitcoin Groundation'
BingoBoingo: Foundations are dumb, except in the rare cases they aren't
mircea_popescu: in romanian, fund means ass, and foundation is "fundatie". so...
fluffypony: we can make Jimmothy an honorary member
fluffypony: the court jester, so to speak
mircea_popescu: did he start a bitcoin investment growth first ever fund yet or anything ?
BingoBoingo: Jimmothy can my honorary "chair" concerned with fundaments
fluffypony: I don't think he's done anything except make circuitous, confusing arguments and accuse everyone of being part of a cult
fluffypony: or that might be minerpart, I lose track
pankkake: I was going to reply to the latest jimmothy things but I forced myself not to
pankkake: I just can't into his brain
mircea_popescu: isnt minerpart the one that kept talking to people on btctalk like they were me ?
BingoBoingo: Yeah
fluffypony: pankkake: I also start typing replies to him and then give up, I don't actually have the time to waste
pankkake: well, the first one to do so was the NeoBee lover that got banned
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: he accuses everyone of either being you or "sucking MP's dick"
fluffypony: and then backtracks when it's clear that the person is not you
mircea_popescu: btw, did you know you can actually get a cock skin problem that's essentially... tegument digestion syndrome ?
mircea_popescu: apparently saliva has some digestive properties, and if you keep your cock in mouths for too many hours a day... well...
BingoBoingo: That doesn't sound pleasant...
mircea_popescu: indeed.
bitcoinpete: http://miseschrist.com/2014/04/30/satoshi-revealed-an-inside-look-at-the-man-behind-bitcoin/ <<szabo. again
ozbot: Satoshi Revealed: An Inside Look at the Man behind Bitcoin | Mises Christ
moiety: Bitcoin Assnation seems pretty fitting
mircea_popescu: again ?
bitcoinpete: again
fluffypony: again.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16272 @ 0.00097187 = 15.8143 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: If chicken little tells you that the sky is fallin'
mircea_popescu: Even if it wasn't would you still come crawlin'
mircea_popescu: Back again
mircea_popescu: I bet you would my friend
mircea_popescu: Again & again & again & again & again
BingoBoingo: I'm pretty sure I would smoke the chicken on the grill. Chickens are better as food than as alarms.
mircea_popescu: !up TheNewDeal
assbot: Voicing TheNewDeal for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo aerosmith song.
TheNewDeal: thanks
mircea_popescu: so who're you ?
artifexd: Remember TestingUnDosTres? He changed his nick to TheNewDeal.
mircea_popescu: oic.
mircea_popescu: better nick i say
TheNewDeal: yes indeed
TheNewDeal: Bitcoin, The New Deal
TheNewDeal: double voiced
mircea_popescu: !down TheNewDeal
assbot: mircea_popescu, you can't do that to TheNewDeal.
mircea_popescu: omg wh yshould he have two voices
fluffypony: double voice > double rainbow
TheNewDeal: unlimited power
mircea_popescu: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=118 kik i like the danielpbarron kid
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
mircea_popescu: this new set of bashes are pretty cool
mircea_popescu: ;;marielynn
gribble: Error: "marielynn" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen marielynn
gribble: marielynn was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 hours, 24 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <MarieLynn> Okay, I only want palatable :P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 103.64066680 BTC to 13`595 shares, 762344 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: !t h cog
assbot: [HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.00689999 / 0.00717103 / 0.00749777 (13 shares, 0.09322341 BTC), 7D: 0.00600041 / 0.00798867 / 0.01000000 (206 shares, 1.64566602 BTC), 30D: 0.00399993 / 0.01001049 / 0.03499997 (2737 shares, 27.39871525 BTC)
bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/M_McDonough/status/462686941314818048/photo/1 << canada down to 4th in natural gas exports
ozbot: Twitter / M_McDonough: World's Top Five Natural Gas ...
mircea_popescu: did that thing just dissolve ?
kakobrekla: prolly
mircea_popescu: so traded 4 to 35, settled at 7.6 ?
mircea_popescu: sounds about right.
kakobrekla: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=117
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
kakobrekla: what is this -2
kakobrekla: lots of ppl from mit here?
pankkake: with some goaty drama
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol apparently.
fluffypony: lol
ryepdx: Outside of Bitfinex, is there any way to short Bitcoin in USD? I'm interested in exploring the possibility of creating a Bitcoin wallet that maintains a constant USD balance no matter what the exchange rate does.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 100 @ 0.00506315 = 0.5063 BTC [-] {11}
bitcoinpete: ryepdx: so just like a regular bank account then
kakobrekla: first dissolve the company then sell the shares!
mircea_popescu: right, seems like "sell bitcoins, keep dollars" would bte the way to go
ryepdx: Right. But without the risk of someone deciding you shouldn't have a bank account anymore.
BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=588220.msg6519510#msg6519510
ozbot: Should KENILWORTH be reported to Austrailian Securities Commission?
bitcoinpete: ryepdx: so like cash under your mattress
fluffypony: ryepdx: except someone is holding the USD in a bank account, right, and THEIR bank account can be closed
mircea_popescu: ryepdx not sure that risk can be avoided. for instance, yo ucould buy a delivered future like the x.eur
mircea_popescu: but it's still tied to the deliverability of the underwriter.
mircea_popescu: in short, for as long as you wish to hold a franchise (in this case, the dollar) you're bound by the rights of the franchise owner.
TheNewDeal: ryepdx, not a leveraged short, but start an account on bitstamp, sell btc at a price you want to short at, set up buy orders below said sale
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal and if someone decides bitstamp should no longer have a bank account ?
fluffypony: ^^^
TheNewDeal: counterparty risk...
mircea_popescu: i mean, his idea is sound, in theory, i can see why that is desirable
mircea_popescu: decouple one bitcoin benefit from the others.
ryepdx: Yeah. BridgeWalker got bit by that, hard. They were using Gox.
TheNewDeal: guy was talking about bitfinex, so ...
mircea_popescu: it's just that it doesn't seem structurally decouple-able.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 69 @ 0.00481682 = 0.3324 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20163 @ 0.00097187 = 19.5958 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal well i glossed over that bit of nonsense.
ryepdx: I realize that getting in and out with actual dollars will require centralized brokers. Gateways from and to fiat will always be vulnerable...
mircea_popescu: ryepdx prolly your best bet is an otc contract with a trusted party.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust ryepdx
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user ryepdx: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=ryepdx | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ryepdx | Rated since: Tue May 24 01:12:57 2011
mircea_popescu: which is something you don't have access to yet.
ryepdx: ;;eauth
gribble: (eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
fluffypony: needs moar ratings
ryepdx: ;;eauth rye
gribble: Request successful for user rye, hostmask ryepdx!~ryan@c-76-115-78-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/680F5108B06DBB77
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0321019 = 0.1605 BTC [+]
moiety: kakobrekla: i made it 0. im not having a neg bash addition!
kakobrekla: moiety :D
ryepdx: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:736a4f34eb8a3a3b9e41887e3b563bdca818765969c8700121e399da
gribble: You are now authenticated for user rye with key 680F5108B06DBB77
fluffypony: ;;rated moiety
gribble: You have not yet rated user moiety
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust rye
fluffypony: oh noez
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask ryepdx!~ryan@c-76-115-78-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user rye: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=rye | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=rye | Rated since: Thu May 1 15:06:26 2014
mircea_popescu: ryepdx i guess make a deal with benkay ?
fluffypony: ;;rate moiety 1 the Cat Lady of Bitcoin Assets
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user moiety has been recorded.
moiety: \o/ lol
moiety: cat lady. nice
fluffypony: s'true
fluffypony: if I say "manul lady" nobody will know what that iw
fluffypony: *is
TheNewDeal: hahaha
benkay: !up Micon
assbot: Voicing Micon for 30 minutes.
moiety: ;; rate fluffypony 1 Creator of epic manul art
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user fluffypony has been recorded.
benkay: !up Micon_
assbot: Voicing Micon_ for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony or think it has to do with masturbation
Micon_: hi
moiety: meh i use manuls everywhere
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: exactly
TheNewDeal: you could put a sweet manul link in the rating
mircea_popescu: Micon_ hey. so the deal is this : bitbet offers an open affiliate deal, where anyone sending traffic gets 100% the house rake
moiety: wait.. mircea_popescu i have my location on tweeter as "looking for manuls" :/ eep
mircea_popescu: Micon_ the payments for april were 0.09 BTC. this is fucking ridiculous. now, what can you do for me ?
Micon_: ?
Micon_: I suppose I could wish you the best of luck :)
Micon_: and suggest an a-ads.com run
ryepdx: mircea_popescu: Okay, thanks. Was kinda hoping someone had already set up a security of some kind, but I guess I'm treading new-ish ground.
mircea_popescu: how about manage a horde of affs ?
Micon_: if I didn't have my own horde to manage for SwC I'd seriously consider your offer
fluffypony: ryepdx: build it and they will come? :-P
TheNewDeal: how does this house deal work - how can you make sure that someone isn't just giving the rake to themself?
mircea_popescu: Micon_ hm. okay.
ryepdx: mirceau_popescu: Affs == affiliates?
mircea_popescu: yes.
Micon_: I do thank you for making bitbet to help kill betsofbit.coscam
TheNewDeal: I guess I could read tfm
Micon_: good riddance, coinjedi
mircea_popescu: Micon_ also, re the wot thing : there isn't really a top. http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ << that's the long story.
ryepdx: Was thinking that. Was also hoping I wouldn't have to manage a bunch of affiliates myself.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal like normal in aff systems lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03399412 = 0.17 BTC [+]
Micon_: mircea_popescu - I am interested in how to define trust for us early btc barons and accept other friendlies as time goes
Micon_: I know many legitimate humans want to connect and make btc businesses
mircea_popescu: i just had lunch with a couple.
Micon_: there are so many segments to fill now and many more segments that haven't been created yet
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: well, this chan is your friend then.
Micon_: a place like this is needed badly at this stage
mircea_popescu: get in the wot so you can self-voice yourself for the future
Micon_: ah yes, instructions on that?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.03399291 = 0.102 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: can i ref myself?
mircea_popescu: Micon_ http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Anyone can make referral links, they look like http://bitbet.us/bet/801/american-league-team-will-win-the-mlb-world/?ref=16wAZSsL8BFNFM8WCsrE8pwwFkhDErWiok
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Just sub in an address of yours
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00096939 = 15.0255 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: but my question is, what happens if I create a ref link, then I myself send bets through the link
fluffypony: then you'll get the credit
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal you ever been an affiliate before ?
TheNewDeal: nope
fluffypony: TheNewDeal: there are lots of ways of gaming an affiliate system, and even more ways of being caught
mircea_popescu: pretty much.
fluffypony: anyone who's seriously played with affiliate systems has tried cookie stuffing Amazon and had their account frozen
pankkake: I did it by mistake the first times I used bitbet
moiety: do we have a first steps in assets guide? this would be good for ze wiki
pankkake: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation perhaps
fluffypony: moiety: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide
ozbot: wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki]
mircea_popescu: moiety you can cobble it together, out of nano's gribble intro linked above and the general assbot stuff.
pankkake: https://blockchain.info/address/1Eck6cgGzEb9N42CFhcsCBQhZQStoJbHRK my tries of spamming for bitbet, 0.04 total. not as bad as I remember
ozbot: Bitcoin Address 1Eck6cgGzEb9N42CFhcsCBQhZQStoJbHRK
moiety: aye be nice to collate it all together and hand a hand holding step by step
moiety: and have a *
fluffypony: moiety: just don't tell kakobrekla about it, he hates hand holding
fluffypony: :-P
mircea_popescu: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/02/white-house-legal-immunity-telecoms-firms-bill?CMP=twt_fd
ozbot: White House seeks legal immunity for firms that hand over customer data | World news | theguardian.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 22 @ 0.00674 = 0.1483 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: A Mormon guy goes into a hotel and checks in, he says "I hope the porn in my room is disabled". The guy behind the desk replies "no it's just regular porn you sick fuck".
moiety: fluffypony: not entirely hand holding just a 'dont ask why if you cant be arsed to read the collated info and steps or manuls shall be set upon you' thingy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.076 = 0.836 BTC [+]
fluffypony: moiety: I'm all for it, was just teasing kakobrekla
mircea_popescu: i wonder if mormon porn includes the special underwear.
moiety: special underwear?!
moiety: queefwear?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07697711 = 0.5388 BTC [+] {3}
TheNewDeal: flullypony I like that one
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07698997 = 0.7699 BTC [+] {3}
moiety: i had a large bot guide typed out and my laptop died
mircea_popescu: moiety yes, mormons use special blessed underwear. also, this is why you save periodically.
TheNewDeal: who is the Milk character that's referenced at the bottom of the bitbet faq?
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves im not sure i get what you're asking there. /// I'll break it down into bits
moiety: i know D; i havent lost anything in ages. this will be the reminder for the next few years XD
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: be sure to use the new symbol
ThickAsThieves: 1. You want to have an open market for artwork be an integral part of Eulora
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal old story.
ThickAsThieves: I assume this consists of incentivizing designers to make skins and such
fluffypony: oh you mean actual bits, not Bitpay bits
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves not exactly, no.
mircea_popescu: i want to have a services market, as integral part of bitcoin.
ThickAsThieves: i'm a lil lost
ThickAsThieves: you mean the freelancer.com thing?
mircea_popescu: that, except not a piece of shit.
ThickAsThieves: ahhhh that clears much up,
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 56 @ 0.00472641 = 0.2647 BTC [-] {4}
ThickAsThieves: see i was always picturing you'd have some sort of eulora-specific market
ThickAsThieves: as part of the game
ThickAsThieves: like how Dota 2 does it
ThickAsThieves: to make "hats"
ThickAsThieves: or other armor skins
ThickAsThieves: something integrated yet separate from the game
ThickAsThieves: but not totally encompassing like a freelance.com
ThickAsThieves: (something worth considering either way, Dota 2 is fucking raking it in)
mircea_popescu: yes, but that is not a choice on dota's part, but a forced mistake.
mircea_popescu: nothing forces my hand there/
ThickAsThieves: choice and forced mistake are different how exactly?
mircea_popescu: dota didn't make the choice tonot make a freelance.com killer.
mircea_popescu: they never had that option.
ThickAsThieves: ah
ThickAsThieves: while i dont disagree
mircea_popescu: like, poor indian woman marries some poor indian schmuck rather than me.
mircea_popescu: well... forced mistake on her part.
ThickAsThieves: i do question whether or not dota's approach is better
ThickAsThieves: for the sake of the game itself
ThickAsThieves: it will be rather difficult to develop a thriving eulora skin market in bitlancer.io
ThickAsThieves: compared to having one hosted in the game
mircea_popescu: why ?
mircea_popescu: eulora does not include a web browser, nor will it.
ThickAsThieves: nor does dota
mircea_popescu: most games cheat and include shit via in-game browsers
ThickAsThieves: (though Steam does)
mircea_popescu: usure ?
ThickAsThieves: part of the marker is extra-dota
ThickAsThieves: part is intra
ThickAsThieves: market*
ThickAsThieves: they each have gateways to the other though
BingoBoingo: The in game browser is one of the worst things about Eve
mircea_popescu: doesn't this design start to sound to you like that famous turtle ?
ThickAsThieves: yes and no, i think there are marketing considerations
mircea_popescu: http://liberationbc.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/turtle-caught-in-plastic-ring.jpg
mircea_popescu: !up Micon_
assbot: Voicing Micon_ for 30 minutes.
ThickAsThieves: i'm sure i can totally articulate why i think dota's approach has advantages, but i'll try
ThickAsThieves: branding/community - Having it intregrated allows focus on the game, removes distractions, and creates a sense of worth, even for "worthless" skins
ThickAsThieves: moving it to a bitlance.io would throw it into the wild
ThickAsThieves: it would compete more directly with other work
ThickAsThieves: and thin out the focus and perceived value of the brand
mircea_popescu: competition is bad ?
ThickAsThieves: not in a general sense, no
ThickAsThieves: but in the end Eulora is it's own player, competing
ThickAsThieves: i'm not saying to pretend competition doesnt exist
mircea_popescu: how does that work ?
ThickAsThieves: i'm saying that dominating customer attention gains benefit
ThickAsThieves: people like the option of options, to feel they have choice, but in a marketing sense, they dont functionally like it too much choice
ThickAsThieves: this crosses over to your designers too
mircea_popescu: yes. but strategically, do i want to encourage a few good people to make a few good skins as you call them
mircea_popescu: or each idiot to make a ms paint drawing ?
ThickAsThieves: no no
mircea_popescu: !up KLYE
assbot: Voicing KLYE for 30 minutes.
ThickAsThieves: you want the players to be enthusiasts of the designers and designs
KLYE: I was summoned here by an email. How goes all?
ThickAsThieves: and you wantthe designers to know they have a dedicated thriving community to consume them
mircea_popescu: KLYE what's this strip cam biz ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves true.
KLYE: It's my initial seeding of what eventually will be the new standard for live adult entertainment
mircea_popescu: but i don't believe the best way to achieve that is through half-assing the marketplace design.
mircea_popescu: KLYE do explain.
ThickAsThieves: while Dota is in no way a perfect bitlancer, it is also debatable to call it half-assed tfor the purposes it was designed
KLYE: Well MP. Right now I am collecting initial investment capital to acquire my Studio proper equipment and space to essentially prove that my business plan is profitable and viable
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yes, true, for the purposes and in the constraints they had they did great. i still think it a forced mistake.
ThickAsThieves: (i could easily mark improvements for dota's market as applied though)
mircea_popescu: nothing bad about it, these happen. that's why "forced"
mircea_popescu: KLYE who's going to camwhoire for you ?
ThickAsThieves: so this goes back to my questions, as my goal wasnt to compare market approaches anyway
KLYE: I have a local harem here. And I am constantly recruiting both locally and abroad. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: you don't say.
mircea_popescu: have this local harem strip and hold a sign saying "hello mp!".
fluffypony: that's a good starting point
KLYE: As it sits at this current moment I am looking into exactly what Cameras I'd like to invest in.. I need PTZ technology built in. But I also don't want to invest in cheap hardware and have it break quickly
ThickAsThieves: now i should rephrase to, will there be an inital set pf graphics the game is launched with, with a style guide - separately from any continuously solicited graphics -- or is my vision of "coninuously created graphics" off the mark, where theyll be not even a shade of the dota community approach
KLYE: Hahaha. That can be arranged MP.
mircea_popescu: go for it.
fluffypony: plus it'll be fun, I'm tired of .bait
BingoBoingo: .bait
ozbot: http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5lzsqtYG31qzpi5po1_1280.jpg
KLYE: My one is away at school at the moment. Another is enroute from BC.. I have a small handful of girls that would enjoy this though. Once I explain to them who you are I imagine they would without question.
hanbot: 'evening all
mircea_popescu: KLYE well so you have a few hours, set something up.
KLYE: Do you mind if I quickly go check my threads and email? I slept a little longer than I wanted to this morning and need to catch up with a few investors I imagine.
ThickAsThieves: hello hanbot
KLYE: Hahaha, The thing about whores MP is they are not easily summon-able. Hard to get them over (let alone all of them in one room) and an absolute bastard to get them to leave once they are here.. :P
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the current thinking is that if by style guide you mean, that the same hand visibly had designed everything, that that's a luxury we don't want to afford
mircea_popescu: much like kyle's camho biz does not need super cameras as much as it needs super eager sluts.
KLYE: That, And it is a terrible conflict of interest for all of my consorts to know about eachother. I am honest with them I am not monogamous.. But I haven't tested putting them in close proximity to one another.
mircea_popescu: KLYE the difference between a harem and anything else is that the harem does things on the spot.
KLYE: My harem is not live in though.. Not yet.
mircea_popescu: gotta be very careful not to use words you can't back, in this rap biz :p
fluffypony: hanbot: good evenings
KLYE: Hahah, Explain MP.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves there's a lot to discuss on this point, but i think style may emerge.
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves the current thinking is that if by style guide you mean, that the same hand visibly had designed everything, that that's a luxury we don't want to afford /// not exactly, a style guide is more like a branding guidelines document, it defines the overall style of the game, creating boundaries for artists
ThickAsThieves: for example,
mircea_popescu: KLYE not really much to explain. if i ask you and you say you got a harem o' girls, you gotta have them then.
ThickAsThieves: WoW's style guide might say "please try to use blocky, child-friendly shapes"
mircea_popescu: at that level the answer is yes.
ThickAsThieves: where Rift's might say "designs should not resemble WoW and be more photo=realistic"
ThickAsThieves: etc
mircea_popescu: "please make everything look like heroes series, mp loved those
ThickAsThieves: hehe
ThickAsThieves: it just makes sure all the furniture looks good in the room
hanbot: KLYE> Hahaha, The thing about whores MP is they are not easily summon-able / odd, i thought that was the point. easy come, easy go.
KLYE: I certainly hope you aren't discrediting me for not being able snap my fingers and have the whores over now. These women like booze and parties. As it sits I have neither, nor is it that time of day yet. And as explained before I am hesitant to get them all together. They may be whores.. But last thing I need is them all pissed off at me for putting them in the same room as one another.
mircea_popescu: KLYE not yet.
mircea_popescu: but eventually you gotta follow through, it's what business is built on.
ThickAsThieves: a style guide might also get technical to help 3d artists know the boundaries and specs of each hero race
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves there's only one race.
ThickAsThieves: interesting
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves however, to round that point : no modern game can feasibly made by exactly 1 person. practical games are made by teams, and a lot of content is needed. as the game goes through its cycle, the teams change anyway.
mircea_popescu: so very much coherence of style is a bridge too far in all cases anyway.
mircea_popescu: this from a very demanding and in depth art perspective.
mircea_popescu: KLYE anyway, they don't have to be in the same room specifically, if you don't intend them to do group work.
ThickAsThieves: there are ways to mitigate this to almost seamless effect
ThickAsThieves: dota 2 most certainly maintains a style
ThickAsThieves: despite dozens of outside contributors
mircea_popescu: sure.
ThickAsThieves: just need good art directors and PMs
mircea_popescu: but to some degree... style may also be an emergent property of groups
ThickAsThieves: yes
mircea_popescu: perhaps something yo udon't want to fuck with
ThickAsThieves: styke may evolve
mircea_popescu: so it's a complicated thing.
ThickAsThieves: and should be allowed to
ThickAsThieves: if not constrained
KLYE: Alright MP. I will see what I can do. It seems that the FUDsters have started attacking my thread. I will see if I can summon some girls over for your photo shoot. In the mean time I must go troll hunting.
KLYE: I appreciate the summon.
mircea_popescu: KLYE dun worry about them lol
mircea_popescu: their effect is usually +ev.
ThickAsThieves: this topic (and more i wish to bring up) is very interesting to me, so I apologize if it's boggong the channel
ThickAsThieves: bogging*
mircea_popescu: eh fuck the log readers, what do we care.
mircea_popescu: :D
ThickAsThieves: do you intend to have "hats" for sale?
mircea_popescu: sure.
ThickAsThieves: and thus a more segmented relationship with designers as businesses
mircea_popescu: the whole thing.
ThickAsThieves: well that got me thinking,
mircea_popescu: crossover is where it's at.
ThickAsThieves: so u can customize my hero, why not town music, HUD, mayve even environments
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is a fucking game currency trying to spill over into irl.
mircea_popescu: why stop there.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i don't see why niot. the client is open source anyway.
fluffypony: KLYE: meh, ignore the trolls. WRT "FastLoans4You" I think you need to make it clear that you haven't claimed to meet regulatory compliance with Canadian law.
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: FastLoans for you registered yesterday.
ThickAsThieves: if client is open source, then i could just hack in my own HUDs and music? or is it to be compiled in such a way to make that impractical for most?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i imagine you should be able to. it may be complicated but i don't think so. it's defionitely not deliberately obfuscated.
ThickAsThieves: hrm
ThickAsThieves: this is not a problem you think?
mircea_popescu: prolly someone will figure it out first, then write a guide,
mircea_popescu: like anything else foss.
mircea_popescu: why would it be a problem ?
ThickAsThieves: well you lose all walls for your garden and throw it into the middle of the highway
mircea_popescu: so ?
mircea_popescu: i don't believe in forcing people.
ThickAsThieves: a concept i generally agree with as well
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: sure, so I think him putting a picture up of KLYE and bringing up the homeless/begging thing is ridiculous, but I think it's worth his while speaking to the regulatory issue raised - you're either claiming compliance or you're outrightly stating defiance
ThickAsThieves: however, this is a business, so i'm trying to sort it out
fluffypony: either is acceptable
mircea_popescu: fluffypony you gotta comply with some regulations to camwhore now !?
ThickAsThieves: your market woudl have competition with outside markets
ThickAsThieves: thereby removing stability
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: the regulations were wrt the IPO
mircea_popescu: a
fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=587618.msg6519384#msg6519384
ThickAsThieves: the whole dedicated community of players to consume designs thing
ozbot: Klyemax Studios IPO (revised)
mircea_popescu: it's bitcoin, there's no regulation.
fluffypony: what's really funny is in South Africa we also have to have a prospectus if we want to make shares publicly available
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you lost me.
fluffypony: but there's no requirement to register it
fluffypony: we just have to make the prospectus available
fluffypony: which is a lol
BingoBoingo: I'm wondering who FastLoans4you is an alt of.
ThickAsThieves: well i can make TATlora.io and get my own designers and pay them a better cut than you
Duffer1: BB reads a lot like minerpart
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah, sure.
fluffypony: Duffer1: BB?
ThickAsThieves: so while this may be good as an excercise in competition,
ThickAsThieves: it's possibly bad in that this is a situation you could control if you chose to
Duffer1: fluffypony bingoboingo
fluffypony: oh lol
Duffer1: :P
ThickAsThieves: thereby making your own company dominant
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves this sort of control is illusory.
ThickAsThieves: and mor eprofitable
ThickAsThieves: dota 2 has it
mircea_popescu: so it thinks
ThickAsThieves: there's no mentionable outside market
fluffypony: I don't think BingoBoingo is minerpart, BingoBoingo is too rational
ThickAsThieves: for dota skins
mircea_popescu: yet.
ThickAsThieves: some hacks try, but mostly fall flat
ThickAsThieves: if not entirely
mircea_popescu: there won't be a market for dota, eventually.
ThickAsThieves: there wont be a market for eulora eventually
mircea_popescu: now that i doubt.
Duffer1: fluffypony i agree, i used "BB" instead of bingoboingo to respond to him, i should have said: Bingoboingo, i believe Loans is Minerpart
ThickAsThieves: a transcendant game is not something i have much confidence in
mircea_popescu: see, the less control a thing attempts to project, the more difficult to kill it gets.
ThickAsThieves: people have tastes abnd like to migrate around
mircea_popescu: sure.
fluffypony: oh Duffer1, makes more sense
Duffer1: :)
fluffypony: that's entirely possible
ThickAsThieves: i mean what, we have WoW and Final Fantasy, maybe GTA, as long term successes
ThickAsThieves: all totally closed
ThickAsThieves: and all dying but GTA
ThickAsThieves: though i suspect this last one was the peak
mircea_popescu: anyway, to come back to some track. i don't believe in forcing people to pay, my idea of peddling games is not modeled on peddling heroin.
mircea_popescu: the blizzard bleed the suckers model is meh.
ThickAsThieves: sure
ThickAsThieves: but what is it then
ThickAsThieves: entertainment, no?
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BingoBoingo: !up KLYE
assbot: Insufficient rights, BingoBoingo, !up yourself on PM first.
mircea_popescu: well yes.
BingoBoingo: !up KLYE
assbot: Voicing KLYE for 30 minutes.
KLYE: Did my last message go through
ThickAsThieves: entertainment is still a consumable of sorts isnt it?
mircea_popescu: sure.
BingoBoingo: KLYE: No idea, what was it?
mircea_popescu: anyway, my entire point is that your "well you could squeeze the balls harder, get more $$$" is not actyually a valid argument.
ThickAsThieves: but that wasntg my point
mircea_popescu: so thgen we';re talking at cross purpoise.
KLYE: BTC isn't considered currency in Canada as far as I know, It's considered a grey area. And until phase two when the Klyemax IPO hits an exchange I do not think we have to worry about the MSC.
ThickAsThieves: my point was the balls are gonna get pumped
ThickAsThieves: and that you have control over how much profit you share
KLYE: And by that time we will have proven the studio profitable and have solid revenue streams.
ThickAsThieves: to some degree at least
mircea_popescu: that control is illusory.
cazalla: KLYE: mfc fo' life
ThickAsThieves: well i would love to be wrong
KLYE: MFC is going to be obsolete once klyemax launches
ThickAsThieves: it's entirely possible your model works fine, despite no other game adopting it
ThickAsThieves: or succeeding at doing so
ThickAsThieves: that i know of at least
KLYE: I'll piggyback on them until my serverside and web clients are done.. After that the plan is to smash them. :D
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fluffypony: KLYE: I'm South African, so I can't comment on Canadian regulation, but I think it's important to make those points clear in your reply to FastLoans4You
fluffypony: because pretend-compliance didn't stop anyone from losing money to Neo&Scamee
ThickAsThieves: are there any open-sourced games with profitable thriving economies?
BingoBoingo: Bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves not afaik
mircea_popescu: open source can't traditionalyl afford to pay financier fat cats to look at the stuff
BingoBoingo: Bitcoin is totally open source and a game.
ThickAsThieves: indeed, but doesn the chicken come before the egg in that regard?
ThickAsThieves: as in, they dont get financed because they dont make money
pankkake: unless anyone can run its own server/world, the game isn't really open source
pankkake: google isn't open source because chrome is
cazalla: KLYE: if i wanted to get into porn, i'd skip cams and produce content along the lines of insex, clearly a demand but payment processor issues fucked it, no issues there with bitcoin
mircea_popescu: pankkake omg you put the k in otaku
ThickAsThieves: last i checked, you can host WoW servers
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I guess PlaneShift is about the biggest
mircea_popescu: cazalla but let the guy run his onw thing lol
pankkake: why?
mircea_popescu: pankkake wtf everyone run his own universe, 4ever alone
KLYE: Go for making just straight up videos?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well yeah but i think he meant besides that
pankkake: I mean run a competing universe, the point wasn't being alone
BingoBoingo: Ah, I see.
ThickAsThieves: some indie WoW servers did pretty well
mircea_popescu: pankkake but if everyone does then... everyone has to be alone neh
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: http://sourceforge.net/projects/planeshift/
BingoBoingo: pankkake: You mean like what altcoins are. People dicking around on their own chains?
mircea_popescu: i thot he hated altcoins
ThickAsThieves: but ultimately people want the real deal
pankkake: bitcoin great because it is altcoinable
pankkake: +is
ThickAsThieves: as ironic as it sounds
pankkake: but it doesn't mean you have to altcoin it
cazalla: KLYE: watch a documentary named "Graphic Sexual Horror", it might give you some ideas
mircea_popescu: pankkake so you hate altcoins or just the altcoin makers ?
pankkake: same reason you don't run your own linux distribution. you could… but WHY
KLYE: Thank you for the advice Cazalla. :D
fluffypony: pankkake: because Fluffynix is a big deal, just like FluffyCoin is
fluffypony: :--P
ThickAsThieves: do people play Planeshift tho? more importantly who makes money around it?
mircea_popescu: nobody.
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: look, it's been around for 12 years, so part of the PS community is historical
fluffypony: but yeah, they have a strong followin
fluffypony: *following
mircea_popescu: i dun think it was ever more than a few dozen people on
pankkake: more to the point, the selling point of an online game is usually world access, not binary client access
mircea_popescu: pankkake blizzard notably tried to do both
pankkake: yeah, that made me lol. I always thought the game was free, and you had to subscribe
mircea_popescu: worked ok ion the late 90s early 00s
ThickAsThieves: when it comes to multiplayer, i find access to people to play with being very high on my list
ThickAsThieves: i can get interested independently
ThickAsThieves: but i'll only stay of there's a context of humans to share the experience
ThickAsThieves: if*
ThickAsThieves: if i hadnt made any dota friends, i'd have quit long ago
mircea_popescu: mmorpgs, ultimate pimpin'.
mircea_popescu: come let me sell you your wife's time.
ThickAsThieves: hehe
ThickAsThieves: i play after she's asleep mostly
mircea_popescu: you'll be happy if i sell her to a dozen other dudes, too,
mircea_popescu: because thus you can raid
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/uYWFh6l.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/jgqxkW8.jpg << why is that guy shown twice, once dressed in wallpaper ?
ThickAsThieves: hitler
mircea_popescu: cgcardona: no more monopoly money?! << it changes each quarter
mircea_popescu: except in april i forgot, so did it nao
cgcardona: i see
mircea_popescu: and the guy who did the drawing... one second
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you will be the first to try these cookies. r&d is refining the recipe
thestringpuller: i assume yoy have high standards for cookies
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2010/iepurasule-ai-basca/
ozbot: Iepurasule, ai basca ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: guy's site is linked in there. marius lupu.
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mircea_popescu: thestringpuller sure. cookies!
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mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: "The end result is the first of its kind: << these fucktards. they really imagine that if you put a "delicious" label on canned shit it'll be a delicious can of shit.
mircea_popescu: wait, someone's name is Roya Mahboob ?
mircea_popescu: this is almost better than mr beaglehole.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla should totally marry roya mahboob
mircea_popescu: he could me matic mahboob
kakobrekla: and have a son madick
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mircea_popescu: !b 5 ✂︎
mircea_popescu: ERROAR!
mircea_popescu: the horroar
kakobrekla: meh dpaste..
kakobrekla: the quote still made it to the queue
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: this week's couple has saved $2.7M and the post decided that this was only 2/5 stars of readiness << this is fucking nonsense, srsly.
mircea_popescu: if almost 3 mil isn't enough...
mircea_popescu: fluffypony " The problem is that the cost of transacting makes it impossible for people outside of that country to get involved." << that's in no way the poroblem. i wouldn't micrlodend in fucklandia under any circumstances.
mircea_popescu: the reason the microlending works, in shitholecreek, detroit or bungagunga, kneya is that the lender also holds political power
mircea_popescu: and you can't stiff him.
mircea_popescu: benkay: just because someone's doing it doesn't mean to not do it. <<< it does. except it has to be someone, and it that case it wasn't someone, just no-one.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: kakobrekla: so they're going to lend legitimacy to all the scammy DACs << they have to be hurt to learn. not in any sense new.
mircea_popescu: !up cryptoflood
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benkay: mircea_popescu: i tend to assume that anyone who's not killing their niche is leaving market share on the floor. perhaps an unseasoned approach.
mircea_popescu: what i meant was, someone doing it would be a reason not to do it. the problem there is that nobody is doing it
mircea_popescu: or w/e, they doing it are not somebody.
benkay: or there's another thing to be done.
mircea_popescu: that too
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benkay: ;;later tell jurov is the pythonic approach to debugging twisted apps seriously to just log everything that happens and tail that during development?
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mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/677/bitcoin-network-difficulty-14bn-on-bastille-day/ how can this be so heavy on yes ?
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day
mircea_popescu: .d
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mircea_popescu: that's maybe 5 periods.
mircea_popescu: 12% each time.
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mircea_popescu: !up KLYE
assbot: Voicing KLYE for 30 minutes.
KLYE: Thanks for voice MP
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KLYE: I've been asked to join some people at a wedding social. So I think I might take the night off and go and do that.. Might get lucky and find some nice potential talent.
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KLYE: I sent out some text MP for the picture you requested. And got blown off by most of the talent as they are busy getting drunk or banged by someone it seems. One wanted to come over but that is hardly what you asked. :/
KLYE: I have dug up some screenies that one of our viewers managed to snap from the first show. This talent is away at field school for the next week or so and isn't one of the prettiest by any means.. great tits and ass on her though. http://imgur.com/a/SVIg8
BingoBoingo: Damn, I though you really wanted to tell us Not Safe Fucking Quit Work
KLYE: Well, twas bare back
KLYE: Sadly she wouldn't let me sodomize her on cam.. Even whores have morals I've learned
BingoBoingo: There's probably Trilema articles to help with that.
Naphex: mircea_popescu:i want to have a services market, as integral part of bitcoin. <<< one would be very nice
Naphex: to do it in mp's style i'd have gpg contracts, and wot-like rating
Naphex: escrow and some sort of mediation / dispute resolution
Naphex: then you can host whatever services
mircea_popescu: myeah
Naphex: better rating to rapidly asses performance
Naphex: but for example, for software development
Naphex: would users bid on projects to win them, or project lists?
Naphex: or just any way for users to aggree on contracts w/ dispute reso after
mircea_popescu: well that's where it gets complicated.
mircea_popescu: prolly the best way to work it is to have buyers specify contracts and providers accept them
Naphex: well you could do some hippy stuff, and stack it in a form of relationship.
BingoBoingo: !up KLYE
assbot: Voicing KLYE for 30 minutes.
Naphex: where a buyer specifies specs, providers can start a relation and do proposal and try too reach agreement
KLYE: Thanks BB
Naphex: then they can draw up a contract, or use simple preset drafts
KLYE: Anyone know of a place online that does nice business cards for BTC?
KLYE: I think it would be in the ventures best interest to have some made up to be given to potential clients instead of me giving out my personal cell number.
mircea_popescu: Naphex yea.
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