assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
decimation: asciilifeform: the question in my mind is the concept of 'title' without reference to the state. it seems to me that it is meaningless outside a particular legal code
decimation: or perhaps resolves to 'imma kill u 'n take ur stuff'
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2015 23:54:57; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the problem is they didn't have title << does a suitcase full of benjies have 'title' ? or a tonne of gold bar? or not because fungible
mircea_popescu: which is why the whole "confiscated cash in drug bust" thing.
mircea_popescu: note that i'm not saying anything about what's useful, merely going through how the logic of that thing works.
mircea_popescu: well, you can read it any way you want, but legally, it flows from "title is title, if you don't have title you may use constructive title (possession is 9/10 of the law and all that), except so and so"
mircea_popescu: "except so and so" = "except if it seems to come from drugdealing"
mircea_popescu: but that's the font of all the "prove you didn't steal it" thing.
mircea_popescu: that's not the controlling bit. the controlling bit is, "can you prove this is yours ?"
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mircea_popescu: which is why the picassos aren't going to the state, but to the heirs.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 00:00:17; asciilifeform: too few balls, they have, to utter 'an ought' straight up
mircea_popescu: but yes, the entire "taint" bullshit does not work. the correct avenue is exactly the reverse : require to be paid only in "proper" bitcoin, that is to say, bitcoin traceable to X or Y or Z purchase, from agent of the crown, which fictitiously has title.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: in this view of Bitcoin, only Draper has any, or whoever bought it from USG.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but it jives very well with "so what if we can't control bitcoin - it'd divisible, so let's just carve a kiddy pool and play in there! "
decimation: luke-jr was kinda advocating the blacklist if I recall
decimation: didn't you advance a blacklist in gentoo?
funkenstein_: actually that kinda makes more sense than a separate fedcoin
Luke-Jr: what blacklist are you claiming I advocate?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform suppose they make a few peers that use Luke-Jr style rules, and then ddos the ~60 or so remaining nodes.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason usgavin & co pretend like nodes are not important while trying to make them not feasible.
mircea_popescu: sadly for that party the attempt to do so quietly failed catastrophically, but what's that mean ?
funkenstein_: you don't have to ddos the remaining nodes.. just declare your colored coins to be worth 10x the others
decimation: usg could just arrest/seize/forfeit nodes it doesn't like
mircea_popescu: but notice that the people who do not suffer from that famous " pathologically difficult attitude toward various important software development philosophy " will not have much problems using usg-nodes anyway
mircea_popescu: the only purpose it would really work for is, giving us a lot of weaponry to kill them with
decimation: asciilifeform: but then usg is stuck with backing dollars with bitcoin
mircea_popescu: everything since 2009 or so is a post-dollar discussion.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, they bought isis the weapons and then they bought isis the meatsacks to practice shooting round tikrit.
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mircea_popescu: i dunno, draper gets to pretend like he's a savvy businessman ?
decimation: I just thought of a brilliant anti-'area denial' (to usg term) weapon system. imagine a small turboprop uav ... that can drop its wings and turn into kerosene rocket
mircea_popescu: the only actually available thing is, print a "Obama made this lolz" sticker, try to affix.
decimation: moldbug thought the us would jail exchanges/possessors, but usg lost the initiative on that one
mircea_popescu: i told him he was wrong back then. sadly... as per the castrato model, never answered.
decimation: kinda like a 'v1', but with the appropriate tracking/seeking system, and an entire fleet in orbit around 'La Serenissima'
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2014 00:46:13; asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.
decimation: yes, presumes the ability to manufacture jet parts
funkenstein_: transistor tech has changed a bit in 40 years, jet engines not so much
decimation: as I recall the 'v1' had no moving parts
decimation: at a minimum you would need fairly modern metallurgy
decimation: yeah, especially if you want to make it 'from ore'
decimation: old busted ex soviet stuff welded to toyotas, etc
decimation: as are the actually effective guided rockets
decimation: although I think a guided rocket is more likely to be manufactured by a 'partizan' than bullets actually
decimation: still would need good metal and precision milling
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decimation: does it work on Al with the oxide layer?
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BingoBoingo: decimation: More interesting is how the reach 18 karats by... bulking up the "gold" with high volume low density ceramics as the alloying agent.
decimation: BingoBoingo: according to that page they are not using that patented ceramic procedure, but are instead using an alloy with 'work hardening' "For the Watch Edition however, Apple appears to have eschewed any revolutionary alchemy and instead, applied an innovative work hardening process to create gold that is (claimed to be) significantly harder than the typical 18kt used by other watchmakers. "
decimation: nubbins`: have you ever done work with gold leaf?
decimation: I would imagine it would be a pain in the ass
decimation: canada mints 24k gold coins, which is kinda dumb
nubbins`: asciilifeform:'Under the terms of the deal, Emery is expecting return to Canada to serve his sentence, said Tousaw.' << wai wat!?!?! canada offers 'sit in jail for your crimes in usa' service? how about iran? can i do time in canada for blasphemy against the prophet ? <<< emery is a canadian national -- this is like /you/ doing time in /iran/ for blasphemy against the prophet because you mailed an iranian a copy of hebdo
BingoBoingo: decimation: I'm not sure I can trust Apple to not use words in a way wildly different from word's actual meanings
nubbins`: decimation 99999 purity, finest in the world
decimation: yeah but utterly impractical for circulation
decimation: you want to alloy with copper etc for durability
nubbins`: compare to a krugerrand, which was a circulation coin
decimation: I'm not denying it's pretty, just impractical for its stated purpose
nubbins`: given its face value of $50, a gold maple leaf definitely is impractical for use as currency
nubbins`: since its expenditure represents a 4-digit net loss
decimation: I think we discussed this awhile ago, some guy tried to get 'taxed' by the 'face value' of gold eagles
nubbins`: with the requisite loss written into the seller's tax return
decimation: lol people wanna pay 7.8 btc for 0.5 btc coin?
decimation: I guess the market decides the price...
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mircea_popescu: nubbins` no it's nbot. he's canadian national doing time IN CANADA for having offended foreign government.
nubbins`: he actually did 3-4 years in usa
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mircea_popescu: "No doubt the Jews aren't a lovable people; I don't care about them myself; but that is not sufficient to explain the Pogrom."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00027432 = 5.1298 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: What a Chamberlain government would have done had there been no war in 1939 will never be known, but an election was due in 1940, and the manifesto proposals outlined by the Conservative Research Department embraced family allowances and the inclusion of insured persons' dependants in health cover—about half the advances usually attributed to Beveridge. As Lady Cecily Debenham wrote to Chamberlain's widow, Anne, afte
mircea_popescu: r his death: "Neville was a Radical to the end of his days. It makes my blood boil when I see his ‘Tory’ and ‘Reactionary’ outlook taken as a matter of course because the Whirligig of Politics made him leader of the Tory party."
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nubbins`: yeah, he never set foot in usa til they brought him there
nubbins`: but i guess his mail was an extension of himself
nubbins`: were noriega's crimes a $200 fine in panama?
mircea_popescu: well the difference beeing that seeds were also not illegal.
mircea_popescu: a fine example of the insanity is the life and times of one little, aka max hardcore
nubbins`: hemp seeds are as benign as hops flowers
nubbins`: admittedly never seen whole hemp seeds
nubbins`: the fun ones have tiger stripes
decimation: moldbug has a quote that implicates FDR in covering for the soviets for Katyn
nubbins`: anyway, emery served ~4 years in usa
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decimation: he was a journalist before he had enough and joined the 'john birch society'
mircea_popescu: "He should consider himself fortunate that he hasn’t yet been targeted for a drone strike." fortune has nothing to do with it. the bumbing us navy lacks the operational capability to carry out drone strikes where he lives.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00026901 = 4.7346 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16297 @ 0.00026901 = 4.3841 BTC [-]
decimation: "Consider the environmental movement. On the surface, it appears to be a collection of "wonderful, benevolent people trying to help and save the Earth," Koehle tells the campers, who range in age from 13 to 20.In reality, she says, it's a plot to unite humanity against a common enemy, pollution, and lay the groundwork for a world regime.Koehle urges students to ignore doomsday hype about-such things as endangered species - extinction
decimation: isn't necessarily bad, she says, noting that dinosaurs became oil deposits -- and depletion of the ozone layer, a point with which some mainstream scientists agree."
decimation: no I think it's a misspelling for 'other'
decimation: this la times guy thought he was writing a 'takedown'
mircea_popescu: "I hate what Clinton and his gang of anti-gunner, gays and liberals are doing to America,"
decimation: ^ that was a juicy line so that the median 'la times reader' would know that these guys were nutso
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mircea_popescu: o look, here's some innovative stuff i came up with myself by reading trilema.
mircea_popescu: (i didn't really understand most of the stuff but whatever)
danielpbarron: "We bring uniqueness to files that aren't unique." << LOL
trinque: ok, that's registered; nobody was responding in #freenode about a mask, so I'll try again later
trinque: doesn't really bother me to not have a mask, as the firewall on the thing doesn't have open ports
trinque: kakobrekla: please autovoice the deedbot- if you wouldn't mind
deedbot-: imported: FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12471 @ 0.00027531 = 3.4334 BTC [+]
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Vexual: thanks dpb, now even I undertand deedbot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51189 @ 0.0002676 = 13.6982 BTC [-] {5}
brendafdez: "No browser exploits were successfully demonstrated on Linux or other open-source operating systemsÇ"
assbot: deedbot- is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: trinque if you register it in wot, you can just voice it whenever you need manually
mircea_popescu: brendafdez somehow the title is "no browser is secure" instead of "use linux. now. everything else is shit"
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00028284 = 2.6163 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: My family is unaware that I don't share their religious views, unaware that I am bisexual and that I have friends of all ethnicities, religious views, genders and sexual orientations. If they knew any of this, my life would be at risk.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00026451 = 1.1771 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00026246 = 2.4671 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44000 @ 0.00026246 = 11.5482 BTC [-]
trinque: danielpbarron: so much lol
trinque: weakness has become a social competition of its own
mircea_popescu: trinque well obviously. once the "to whoever according to his needs" becomes the payoff, needs become competitive.
mircea_popescu: just talk to some supposedly ignorant, unintelligent and unskilled ghetto dwellers on the topic of "getting prescriptions", see knowledge, cleverness and skill unmatched.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00026231 = 2.4657 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: but anyway, teh 100% anal child. "circumstances" forced it to not pay rent, and evil people forced him to make stories for attention about making stories for attention.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18859 @ 0.00026471 = 4.9922 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: <decimation> I just thought of a brilliant anti-'area denial' (to usg term) weapon system. imagine a small turboprop uav ... that can drop its wings and turn into kerosene rocket << why bother with expensive turbomachinery? just use solid propellants...
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7493 @ 0.00026162 = 1.9603 BTC [-]
assbot: I created Bitproof because my mother thinks GPG is a supermarket. RT /qntra: Boost VC Embraces Child Founded Start Up
http://t.co/FAWTczzi0o mircea_popescu: omfg... at first i thought it's someone mocking the guy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00025242 = 3.7358 BTC [-]
brendafdez: There's no point reeducating it, because anyway...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17820 @ 0.00025242 = 4.4981 BTC [-]
Vexual: you can describe all kinda nal sex, but unless you really mean it, it dont mean shit\
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8777 @ 0.00025305 = 2.221 BTC [+]
trinque: +mircea_popescu | trinque well obviously. once the "to whoever according to his needs" becomes the payoff, needs become competitive. << holy fuck, does this social phenomenon fill me with bile
trinque: people like to talk about how ignorant and backwards texas is
mircea_popescu: (but i am writing something for your, and others', bile)
trinque: only state where secession is still pleasant conversation
trinque: mircea_popescu: why? because it feels like admitting suicide is the only option, but being too cowardly to pull the trigger.
trinque: god damn it I was born to live.
trinque: nothing would fill me with greater joy than seeing a place like texas thrive while the rest of the insane federal system rots
trinque: let them pay for the padded walls to protect the fractured psyches of socialist paradise
trinque: ben_vulpes: I might move back
trinque: can't fucking stand the pacific nw
trinque: all my money's coming from tejas; there's a reason for that
☟︎ trinque: the thing people don't understand when they look at people like ted cruz.. the goddamn texas legislature meets every two years
trinque: the whole govt's set up to get as little done as possible
brendafdez: mircea_popescu I never mentioned it bc I felt very flattered that you added the password input field in the "Paid Content" notice at my request, but seems weird to me that after inputting password it takes you to the homepage. Expected behavior to me would be reloading the page, to see the article one intended to read in the first place. Otherwise one valuable credit goes to waste by loading an unwanted article ;)
trinque: mircea_popescu: this is the thing; I will never accept death
trinque: it's as mine as it is some other fuck's
trinque: I really should head back to texas
trinque: I left because what, the weather's not as agreeable as I'd like?
trinque: that state loves capitalism above all else, and it's fucking good at it
trinque: the christians aside; hell danielpbarron has made me hate them less
trinque: mircea_popescu: they at least have a semi-coherent set of symbols to reason with!
trinque: what the fuck is this in the pac NW
mircea_popescu: turns out you weren't actually hating "the christians", but merely grew up in a restrictive environment where you could never talk to one.
trinque: victimhood competition and women rule all
trinque: mircea_popescu: I think you're right about that.
trinque: I was raised christian, reacted against the restrictiveness of that
trinque: but having something that says "there is objective truth"
trinque: yeah I'll take that over this nonsense any day
trinque: it's a fucking starting point
Vexual: who knew aregenrti had a luna park?
Vexual: this is whhen fluffy pony should describe something useful about that other ocean, approachin brazil
Vexual: cat ne'r leaves his villiages
brendafdez: I was also raised Christian. Was horrible. Care to help? Even 1 cent you could spare helps me forget the terrible thing 14EVtRAFWTcDutoeHBLPjLewfMxGgPHcLv
brendafdez: Otherwise I might have to go back to church. Don't force it upon me by not donating.
Vexual: nah you can tell me, i you know
Vexual: i resepect the sisters costyume
Vexual: or not, named brenda, you mihght have samw werk
mircea_popescu: Vexual it's just what they call their madison square garden
Vexual: ney york city, i dont get ity
BingoBoingo: ^ Bitcoin Forum > Economy > Trading Discussion > Scam Accusations (Moderator: Cyrus) > Gerald Davis aka DeathAndTaxes of BitSimple and Tangible Cryptography
brendafdez: Vexual in a way it does refer to the moon. From derpipedia: Luna Park is a name shared by dozens of currently operating and defunct amusement parks that have opened on every continent except Antarctica since 1903.
brendafdez: The first park to use the name was Coney Island's second major amusement park, designed by Frederic Thompson and Elmer "Skip" Dundy and opened in 1903. They named the park after the spaceship in their Pan-American Exposition ride "A Trip to the Moon".[1][2]
brendafdez: Apparently the father of one of the founders of this space operated one such "Luna Park" in the early 20th century. And they picked the same name for the stadium.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Need to source it better, but I'm going to pursue it.
mircea_popescu: "I have no idea what he's been doing for a living in the years elapsed since then - if anything, then definitely not anything related to Bitcoin as a free entreprise. Maybe he's working a garden or teaching yoga. Maybe he's earning his living as a Bitcoin expert in the pay of those who do not wish to see Bitcoin free entreprise generally, and certainly not to the degree displayed by the free world. Whichever of these i
mircea_popescu: t is, he's free to enlighten the world - I am curious like anyone's curious. What he can't do is pretend like "it doesn't matter". It does."
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14648 @ 0.000251 = 3.6766 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "The goal or problem is checking the balance of a ton of addresses without having to import them with keys without having to run a linux machine, without having to run anything in python, just plain and simple copy a list of addresses"
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Seriously makes "home brew semi-supercomputer with 128 gig ECC ram and 10 quad core intel processors with haswell architecture." Yet wants to avoid anything linux, python, or otherwise not MS Excel
mircea_popescu: "Incidentally, the private key of the first address in your list is 5HpHagT65TZzG1PH3CSu63k8DbpvD8s5ip4nEB3kEtHwQJ6fmT7"
trinque: holy fuck are american women cunts
trinque: I said Lena Dunham should be burned alive and my erstwhile significant other had a meltdown
trinque: hell I'm not saying I'm going to burn her alive
trinque: mircea_popescu: the writer for the HBO series "Girls"
trinque: think cunty new york "you don't understand my complex problems"
trinque: holy fuck I shall lay waste to everything in a five mile radius
trinque: yeah, more nudity and fucking, but even more american dysfunctional nerfed psychopathy
trinque: mircea_popescu: the xx beg to be shown the line, invoke the protection of the state in the same breath
trinque: because the part of me that stopped identifying with this place in the first person singular hasn't had enough of a conversation with the second and third person
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21033 @ 0.00025758 = 5.4177 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: this is when ya go elsewhere, eh?
trinque: it is not happenstance that this cunt is attacking me the week before I increase my income by 20x
trinque: it makes no goddamn sense and all the sense in the world simultaneously
trinque: mircea_popescu: my business pays this unemployed cunt's rent.
trinque: insofar as anyone on this continent knows what domesticity is
trinque: spent five years getting this thing profitable.
trinque: I have a CMS for making restaurant ordering web-apps
trinque: mircea_popescu: the dysfunction here is that male-female relationship here is taught as parternship
trinque: this girl is utterly intimidated by the fact that I might actually be holding some real money in my hands
trinque: the idea of it in the future was fine
trinque: yet the cultural context causes her to barge into places she does not belong
mircea_popescu: haha, well, ranting angrily at her won't likely de-intimidate will it ?
trinque: problem is I've been with women that *adored* the rants
trinque: it's not as if I grabbed her and shook
mircea_popescu: anyway. if you don't like her, get rid of her. if you like her, talk to her. that'll either sort out whatever or else make you not like her.
trinque: I was talking about the future
trinque: let me just say the well is dry, and I'll stop bitching into the public record :D
trinque: I get angry at our vulgarity
trinque: this imaginary line I'm stuck within
winner1: hello, I won a bet, but I have not been paid.
winner1: The bet was resolved 5 days ago.
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mircea_popescu: you can link to bets directly, it's on the date in front of them
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trinque: mircea_popescu: it's that the inmates collude with the prison guards. obviously I should just let that fact go
trinque: I don't tend to that naturally
mircea_popescu: winner1 thanks for pointing this out, it's suspicious as fuck. dunno what happened there yet but will look into it.
winner1: Yes, thank you for your quick response. I think I am the only one left. I bet 3 times in this bet. I got paid in two, But I did not get paid in this one.
mircea_popescu: it's either a txn that for mysterious reasons din't get to propagate or i can't imagine what else. anyway, i'm on it, give it a day.
winner1: Ok, thank you very much. I was getting nervous, since I saw everyone getting paid, but me.
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cazalla: trinque, pro tip for free - don't get her pregnant
trinque: cazalla: haven't, wont, and I'm out!
punkman: so apparently in UK, airmail means two weeks by truck, and overnight express, means 6+ days.
mircea_popescu: "1,3mn euros confiscated - guy couldn't show where he got it"
brendafdez: punkman I've had all kind of bad experiences with the post, from them stealing from a box of alfajores I was shipping abroad, to them refusing to send a letter (even though it was within weight and size limits) because "there was an object inside" (!!). Long delays is the success scenario.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12275 @ 0.0002563 = 3.1461 BTC [+]
punkman: brendafdez: I don't mind China Post taking 4 weeks, because they don't pretend otherwise
brendafdez: yes, but sometimes it's not worth it. Having to cross the river to send a letter with "an object inside" to a recepient in Argentina would be hilarious. That time they insisted letters were paper only. :D
punkman: ssbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.0002563 = 3.4857 BTC [+] << all-time lows?
brendafdez: punkman back in the days when we still didn't have to go through this amount of bureaucratic shit to receive shipments from abroad, and when I was doing it very often, the ones from the UK used to be the fastest. I'm surprised that your experience with the RM has been bad.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, speaking of having problems, viktor Ianukovici jr died yest.
punkman: mircea_popescu: I don't see anything lower at btcalpha
mircea_popescu: May 22 04:06:33 <`MBot>[ MPEX ] [ TRADE ] [ S.MPOE ] [ 150 @ 0.00021419BTC = 0.032128 BTC ]
brendafdez: Oh, suicides are also common over there? :P
punkman: mircea_popescu: oic, btcalpha only goes back to Oct 2012
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27648 @ 0.00024773 = 6.8492 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8094 @ 0.00024773 = 2.0051 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell brendafdez it should redirect you properly now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00025755 = 3.992 BTC [+] {2}
davout: trinque: just wanted to see who'd actually read the deeds :)
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00026196 = 7.623 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: 21G .bitcoin/ << unless 0.5.3.1 takes up less space, this is a little over half way
gribble: Current Blocks: 348835 | Current Difficulty: 4.671754964470642E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 350783 | Next Difficulty In: 1948 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 3 hours, 53 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 43599364024.8 | Estimated Percent Change: -6.67455
Adlai: must be the hostile ddos bot
Adlai: bitproof has an interface for 'signing' using the mouse
Adlai always found those somewhere between amusing and horrifying
mircea_popescu: as in, random derp w/o gpg installed wants to send mp stuff encrypted to mp's key, there's page on mp's site with javascript
punkman: the problem is how do you communicate to derps that they should use actual PGP for the "important" stuff
mircea_popescu: i suppose the communication starts with "gtfo off windoze"
Adlai only refers people to hanewin after explaining that they're just trusting some random site, instead of google or facebook
Adlai: but many people prefer trusting random strangers over known evils
mircea_popescu: technically, it's js, so they're not trusting the site.
punkman: if they have to mitm the javascript, sure that does raise the cost, but is it worth the false sense of security
Adlai: you could probably give this audience an identical security theater with js that sends plaintext
mircea_popescu: punkman probably cheapest approach to diddle the js to encrypt to two keys. transparent enough to do, and then get somewhere else the msg.
mircea_popescu: still, more pgp flowing through the tubes is a net gain
punkman: on that note, Enigmail has warning message that they will only support gpg2 soon
Adlai: a few darknet markets have used such a system too, which raises the question of why anyderpy used any of the markets that didn't
punkman: mircea_popescu: we've linked to gpg JS implementations so many times, I thought this use case was obvious
Adlai: !s www.hanewin.net
mircea_popescu: punkman theoretically. i just had nfi anyone had actually done it.
mircea_popescu: on that note, you can't say enigmail without nig mail.
Adlai: and "gpg" doesn't actually contain "privacy"
Adlai: but it makes gnu feel pretty good
mircea_popescu: "Do have any PGP key? Try our online PGP key generator"
Adlai: it's ok, just download this chrome extension that validates our javascript!
punkman: myeah I've had too much of that WP spaghetti
mircea_popescu: anyway, the wp stuff is more of what i thought we had discussed many times.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00026084 = 1.7346 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5971 @ 0.00026084 = 1.5575 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00025653 = 1.5648 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: not the most scientific experiment as I didn't start them at the same place or same time, but it might be worth noting that the debug.log for the solid state drive pogo is smaller than the other one
danielpbarron: the slower node spams its debug.log with lines that have nothing to do with validating a block
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15832 @ 0.00026072 = 4.1277 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: <trinque> increase my income by 20x, girl is utterly intimidated, <<< i have to ask, are you quitting your job in order to sell CMS software to restaurants?
nubbins`: please tell me that this isn't the case, and if it is, please tell me that you're not just upset at your girlfriend because she called you a moron for making this decision
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13647 @ 0.00025502 = 3.4803 BTC [-]
Adlai back when he worked in a preseed startup used to joke that he got a 20x raise each week and a 25% monthly bonus
nubbins`: Adlai "20x raise" generally makes people VERY suspicious as to the absolute value of your starting salary
Adlai: cf 'free advice is worth what you paid for it'
Adlai: some would maintain that it's infinitely more valuable than its price
nubbins`: (given that free advice can only cost $0, the set of possible costs for said free advice is a zero ring, which precludes the set from being a field, which means that division by zero is not required to be undefined, which means that your assertion that it's infinitely more valuable is, at least superficially, true)
nubbins`: i left that life behind me long ago and i don't know what just happened
Adlai: what about f/ladvice
nubbins`: tangentially, i wonder if someone who chose to name their company "Eris Industries" ever used IRC in the 90s.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5640 @ 0.00025956 = 1.4639 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14503 @ 0.00026072 = 3.7812 BTC [+]
bitstein: Is there a reason WoT ratings are not required to be GPG signed?
Adlai: and then trusting that assbot/gribble is requiring the same of everybody else
thestringpuller: bitstein: I do think nanotube 's federated WoT requires GPG signature for ratings.
Adlai: and trusting that people don't leave authenticated irc accounts idle accessible to random passersby
bitstein: That just allows the server to know it is talking to who it thinks it is talking to, but it doesn't guarantee the server hasn't fabricated data.
thestringpuller: bitstein: yes we know there isn't a federated system yet :P
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 01:46:55; nanotube: <nanotube> hey, sorry for delay in reply, been busy, still busy. just to give you a quick preview, i'm thinking/working on implementing everything-signed, using a framework sort of like this:
http://bitcoin-otc.com/newsite/rate.php bitstein: Adlai, thanks, was looking for that.
bitstein: Sweet, I look forward to that.
nubbins`: <+Adlai> and trusting that people don't leave authenticated irc accounts idle accessible to random passersby <<< vs trusting that their pgp implementation doesn't cache their passphrase 8)
Adlai: vs trusting that their fourthhand lemon laptop didn't get interceptiddled in the mail
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00025502 = 5.0111 BTC [-]
nubbins`: no, that doesn't happen anymore since cisco started drop-shipping to abandoned houses
nubbins`: because the NSA sort room at the mail facility is scanning the send address instead of the return address, or something.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6072 @ 0.00025502 = 1.5485 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: nubbins`: doesn't cache their passphrase << i change my passphrase every time I use my key. /tinfoil hat
nubbins`: thestringpuller i know, the keylogger sees all
funkenstein_: "The gold market marched into the 21st century Friday with the launch of a new electronic platform designed to make the daily market price benchmark less vulnerable to manipulation."
funkenstein_: that's right "the gold market" is a single entity which works towards being "less manipulated".
funkenstein_: maybe gold is kind of like btc in 2010 when there was "the bitcoin market" aka gox
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9281 @ 0.00025621 = 2.3779 BTC [+] {2}
funkenstein_: coinabul is still up if you feel like being defrauded
nubbins`: plenty of places to buy gold w/ btc
nubbins`: silvergoldbull, amagi, quadrigacx...
funkenstein_: coinabul doesn't acutally ship anything though
funkenstein_: not that I expect the other ones too, but just happened to read through some of the coinabul complaint threads
nubbins`: have bought Au from a couple of the above
nubbins`: i've ordered from them 2 or 3 times
nubbins`: these days, you don't get to see the BTC price (and thus the exchange rate) until the last step in the checkout process
nubbins`: incidentally, i tried to sell some gold on the forums a while back, no takers
danielpbarron: bitstein, thestringpuller why should we be signing everything but the kitchen sink? you shouldn't use assbot's return as gospel -- the WoT lets you know who and what to ask about a person before doing business
danielpbarron: if a rating is false, let the user speak up about it
bitstein: danielpbarron: why aren't you signing the kitchen sink?
Adlai: this is a good point... even if each wot rating is signed, this can be a false friend - what if you're not looking at the latest version of the ratings? if only we had some way of achieving trust-minimized consensus...
danielpbarron: fiddle with it too much and you'll end up like the "smart contracts" people
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00026011 = 3.5115 BTC [+] {2}
Adlai: doesn't need much fiddling, just checksum the federated database into a deed
Adlai: and to prevent withholding, no news is also news
punkman: W.Gibson has a fun bit about "the ugliest shirt in the world" which allows the wearer to not be recognized by CV systems
punkman: there was also some guy with an anti-CV face makeup art project
Adlai: they're all using the same constellation? -_-
punkman: interesting that UK adopted EURion for GBP
punkman: I've been wondering how I'd go about finding a non-shit printer
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: this is why you have nubbins` screen print your ransome notes on some high class paper
nubbins`: FWIW i think it's only laser printers that do this
nubbins`: i know for a fact that my wide-format Epson doesn't
nubbins`: (how? because the yellow tank contains black ink!)
danielpbarron: would be quite funny if they put the detection algorithm into an open source image manipulator
nubbins`: fwiw the detection algo would be impossibly easy to replicate
nubbins`: since we know the shape of the constellation :D
danielpbarron: It has been reported that generating a false negative is easy, perhaps as simple as using images of two notes, side-by-side, rather than just one. << LOL
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00025454 = 1.3236 BTC [-]
trinque: nubbins`: no, this is in reference to my startup of 5 years which has actual revenue
trinque: asciilifeform: making money sinfully, yes
trinque: anyhow, clarity of the morning is; I'm through with her
trinque: when I start refining human flesh into foodstuffs we can talk about sinfully earned money
funkenstein_: "methodical illusions" <-- looks like an interesting read
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00026198 = 1.5588 BTC [+]
fluffypony: "20. Ripple: Fixing the flaws in bitcoin"
fluffypony: the 20th most exciting Bitcoin startup is something trying to replace Bitcoin with a massively centralised system?
fluffypony: oh and there we go, Ethereum at number 2
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00025858 = 1.2929 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6966 @ 0.00025858 = 1.8013 BTC [-]
funkenstein_: "21 What is 21? Outside of a chosen few, no one knows for sure" <-- number one
danielpbarron: 16. Circle: Taking the bitcoin out of bitcoin << certainly a theme here
Adlai: the excitingness of "21" is bounded only by the imagination of the ignorant
danielpbarron: oh ethereum shares the #2 spot with counterparty which isn't remotely close to being the same thing despite what this article suggests
nubbins`: TIL i own a 7" single that's worth $85
danielpbarron: well dang .. i didn't know they added that nonsense
danielpbarron: Anything that one could ever do with Ethereum, one can now do with Bitcoin and Counterparty. << i guess that's the final nail in ethereum's coffin
funkenstein_: so I can put a non-halting program into the blockchain, and all counterparty nodes will stall?
Adlai: or maybe, they nailgunned eachother simultaneously
Adlai: aiui, you could only stall nodes of either network up to the amount of computation you're willing to subsidize
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00025609 = 2.164 BTC [-] {2}
funkenstein_: hmm that sounds interesting, i wonder how that is quantified
punkman: lol "Python numbers have potentially unlimited size, Serpent numbers wrap around 2256. For example, in Serpent the expression 3^(2^254) suprisingly evaluates to 1"
funkenstein_: what do you bet they use 32 bits or more to model that behavior?
funkenstein_: i think line number two is pretty important and looks like a common theme from the ethereum team
punkman: nobody's gonna use it, so why spend time testing :P
Adlai: at least they pay out bounties in btc
nubbins`: Serpent, the ideal language for businesses who don't need more than 2,256 of anything
nubbins`: wait, that was superscript in src, wasn't it 8)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5331 @ 0.00026202 = 1.3968 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12601 @ 0.00026288 = 3.3126 BTC [+] {2}
Adlai: still a little silly for the platform bandied about as turing-complete to lack actual bignums
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14799 @ 0.00026756 = 3.9596 BTC [+]
punkman: Adlai, and for extra fun "Short strings, given simply in quotes as above, are treated as numbers; long strings, surrounded by the text keyword as above, are treated as array-like objects"
Adlai is fairly certain that phuctor is written in cl
BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> tangentially, i wonder if someone who chose to name their company "Eris Industries" ever used IRC in the 90s. << Incredilol
assbot: BitBet - Qntra to the moon :: 0.31 B (79%) on Yes, 0.08 B (21%) on No | closing in 6 months 6 days | weight: 90`974 (100`000 to 10) ... (
http://bit.ly/19fs1Mm )
nubbins`: mod6 ben_vulpes FWIW 0.5.3.1 downloading blocks on Darwin nubs.local 13.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 13.4.0: Wed Dec 17 19:05:52 PST 2014; root:xnu-2422.115.10~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64
☟︎☟︎ nubbins`: ^ with apologies to asciilifeform
thestringpuller: PeterL: it's just assking about 30 day which it calculated by !t
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00024773 / 0.00026264 / 0.00028284 (859358 shares, 225.70 BTC), 7D: 0.00024773 / 0.00029475 / 0.00033536 (18132562 shares, 5,344.64 BTC), 30D: 0.00024773 / 0.0003534 / 0.00048515 (82282113 shares, 29,078.73 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00021105 / 0.00026069 / 0.000301 (36659 shares, 9.56 BTC)
PeterL: so for the yes side to win, somebody has to do !t for each here while the qntr is a higher price
thestringpuller: if the middle value on 30d for S.QNTR > correlated value for S.MPOE
PeterL: it just seems like it should use a resolution source which can be checked later on, like when the bet ends
PeterL: I guess anybody who bets on yes should make a point to come in here and do !t for each periodically
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00026756 = 3.0368 BTC [+]
jurov: currently no need to check so often, it's still 0.0003534 vs. 0.00026069
jurov: lol current qntr sell depth is just bitcents. if i wanted to sway it for the bet to win, would have to start trading with myself
PeterL: but it wouldn't take much coin to push it up above the s.mpex price, and then you just need a bit of self-trading to keep it there a month
jurov: yes, but with risk someone notices and will try to dump the shares on that price
PeterL: there's not a whole lot of shares trading with which to dump
PeterL: but still not worth it as the bet currently stands
jurov: why not? there are tens of btc worth shares floating, someone bought them at < 0.0003
PeterL: what I mean is there is such a small amount bet on the bet, you might spend more than you would win holding the price up. Spend tens of btc to win .003 btc?
PeterL: unless you convince somebody to put some money down on no before you do the manipulation
jurov: oh you're looking from no side, mkay.
PeterL: or you think it would be easier to hold the s.qntr price down so no wins?
funkenstein_: nubbins, re: 0.5.3.1 after a couple days i am up to 220k blocks. just like the old days isn't it?
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 267.15, Best ask: 267.29, Bid-ask spread: 0.14000, Last trade: 267.32, 24 hour volume: 23415.63076852, 24 hour low: 260.91, 24 hour high: 271.5, 24 hour vwap: None
ben_vulpes: ah it's so nice to see people building and running the RI
ascii_field: Adlai: go and try letting something like this cons!
ascii_field: danielpbarron: well the illegal image opens fine in GIMP << only half the story. before long, it won't print on printer, or even display on display.
ascii_field: the basic idea - owner-hostile hardware - is gaining ground.
ascii_field: presently the cheapest way to fight back is to extract the 'magic' algorithms and make sure the patterns start to appear in inconvenient places
danielpbarron: oo, that reminds me of an article you once pasted in here
ascii_field: slightly different idea. boobytrap for flesh.
ascii_field: the thing with the diddled printers/image editors/etc is an actual thing today
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00026123 = 1.5674 BTC [-]
ascii_field: for instance, there is talk of mandating that digital cameras obey a magic remote off signal
PeterL: obviously to stop videoing police
Adlai: otoh, the movie theater proprietor who jams cellphone signals during screenings can marry my firstborn daughter
ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> presently the cheapest way to fight back is to extract the 'magic' algorithms and make sure the patterns start to appear in inconvenient places << oh this is bril
ascii_field: or the chinese toy chopper maker who 'volunteered' to gps-restrict the machine
PeterL: I've never noticed people using cell phones at movies
Adlai: you must live in a civilized place
ascii_field: PeterL: visit an american idiotopolis some time
PeterL: but I wouldn't notice the denver massacre if it was happening around me while I am watching a movie
jurov: let them try to autodetect "illegal content"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4403 @ 0.00026123 = 1.1502 BTC [-]
ascii_field: jurov: it's one small step to usg prosecuting folks making hardware that doesn't obey magic bit
ascii_field: and before anyone says 'nuttery' - there is precedent
Adlai doesn't understand why warez doodz don't excise the pattern detectors from eg photoshop
Adlai: although that would graduate said dood from pirate to counterfeiter
ascii_field: Adlai: part of it is that folks dislike heavily patched w4r3z
Adlai: in this case, wouldn't it be as simple as diddling a single routine to always return false?
Adlai: that can be distributed as a separate patch, with sample files to verify that it does what is said
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00026756 = 1.8997 BTC [+]
nubbins`: i just took that from the "about" page
ascii_field: Adlai: diddling a single routine to always return false << only if the implementers were morons
jurov: ah. you can try "no milk" instead :DD
nubbins`: someone with an actual connection to qntra can feel free to provide different copy if they wish
nubbins`: all that matters to me is the shape of the sentences
PeterL: asciilifeform:aviation, by and large, only works when you're a mega-state with maxint constantly replaced slaves to parasitise << depends if you are going for "go up in the air", or "survive dogfight with megastate"
ascii_field: PeterL: soviet planes often had mtbf measured in tens of hours.
PeterL: wright brothers were working in their garage
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Committing to no ads in print potentially means committing to no Ads forever. We'll say what cazalla says, but 'No Milk' or other joke may be longer lasting
ascii_field: PeterL: wrights had ready-made engines to go with.
nubbins`: danielpbarron don't ask me, ask him :D
ascii_field: PeterL: but if you want to build a cardboard kite - yes, you can.
BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: Profit is planned eventually, hopefully. Hence can't commit to no ads
ascii_field: didn't ben_vulpes demonstrate that ads are dead ?
PeterL: wouldn't ads provide milk? or am I misunderstanding that reference?
PeterL: I thought ben_vulpes only stopped because too busy with other stuff?
funkenstein_: in the meantime you could put a donation address up
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Author urls might be overloading the card with too much information
ben_vulpes: PeterL: bit of column a, bit of column b.
ascii_field: at any rate, i assumed that the ads thing was neither fun nor threatened to replace ben_vulpes's day job
ascii_field: trinque: why sinfully? curious about the story
ascii_field: trinque: why would woman object to your having money ?
ascii_field: trinque: esp. if she was (as you appear to suggest) a pet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00026117 = 4.1918 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: wtf, #4 changetip? how is throwing change at each other like hobos noteworthy?
nubbins`: i've had people "tip" me dimes on a couple of occasion
nubbins`: one guy tried to give me a buck
nubbins`: utterly repugnant, yet too oblivious to realize
ascii_field: dime: useless; nsa tracking beacon - priceless
nubbins`: ascii_field after a few pestering PMs, changetip returned the money to its original owner
nubbins`: (they won't hold your dime forever!)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00026756 = 2.9164 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 08:38:46; mircea_popescu: "The goal or problem is checking the balance of a ton of addresses without having to import them with keys without having to run a linux machine, without having to run anything in python, just plain and simple copy a list of addresses"
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 08:38:53; mircea_popescu: maybe he should put them in excel.
ascii_field: 'without having to run a linux machine' << wai wat
PeterL: some people think linux is hard?
ascii_field: 'the goal or problem is not stinking of shit, without having to use a toilet, without having to wear diapers, just plain and simple not stinking of shit'
nubbins`: "Things we dont need: " <followed by several actual solutions
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Retarded scanning all the private keys possibru idear
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: but this is ancient idea. handled by existing code
nubbins`: sure, but he's obviously retarded
nubbins`: some guy made him a fuckin jar file for him to run and he can't figure out how to use it
nubbins`: "do it for me 100% or it won't get done and you're mean" retardation
ascii_field: i though the 'jar' was just a turd that loads from blockchain.info
ascii_field: and he wanted standalone that uses actual bitcoin
nubbins`: maybe so, didn't fully parse. guy does say later on that he can't figure out how to work the jar
nubbins`: this is "cut up my chicken nuggets AND chew them for me" level
ascii_field: and didn't even notice he was given turds instead of nuggets
nubbins`: noticed, but they were a familiar shape.
assbot: As a reminder, you'd have to hack into my Windows 8.1 desktop behind NAT to get my ssh key & use the right IP to access my AWS hosts.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9939 @ 0.00026103 = 2.5944 BTC [-]
nubbins`: tv;dw: kids are shown raw truth of chicken nuggets being made from scratch, right in front of them, "EWW GROSSS" etc, then all clamor over each other to eat the fried result
nubbins`: and i mean like fistfuls of skin and fat blended w/ the meat, pushed through sieve, whole deal
ascii_field: 'umpa, dumpa, dupaty-didient, thou shalt not ask about the Secret Ingredient!'
thestringpuller: ascii_field: well they ended up not revealing the secret ingredient cause slurm is so delicious...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00025613 = 2.0875 BTC [-]
nubbins`: so we got a second cat back in november and i've been mildly worried that she's a bit aggressive towards our older cat
nubbins`: today, as i'm watching them eat supper, older cat tires of her food and just starts eating from younger cat's dish; younger cat retreats and waits for her turn :0
nubbins`: nod, effortless display of dominance
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00025275 = 1.3143 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: ^ sometimes stuff like this happens ;(
ascii_field: i saw a most peculiar cat scene the other day
ascii_field: gigantic semi-wild but castrated male cat, grooming - and then guarding - a smaller cat
nubbins`: the other cat occasionally grooms me, it's endearing
nubbins`: outdoor cat behaviour is fascinating
ascii_field: the smaller one, i think, lives under my shed
nubbins`: protip: if you eat canned tuna, save the water
danielpbarron: i just poured tuna water down the drain not 2 hours ago
ascii_field: i tried to feed'em once but they like the neighbours' more
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00024827 = 3.9351 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: dish of it on the back step is a good way to attract em
nubbins`: this is assuming that random cats are a thing you want to attract
ascii_field: people find it puzzling but it is kinda the reason i don't try to tame them and keep them inside
nubbins`: dory was at the shelter for longer than any of the other cats :/
ascii_field: i imagine that i wouldn't want to be tamed if i were them
nubbins`: pinki gets free access to outside and quite enjoys it, dory seems to show no interest in getting out
danielpbarron: there was a cat that used to roam around outside that i would let sleep inside on occasion; i think it mothered a litter and died
nubbins`: tempting, maybe once there's no more shelter cats 8)
nubbins`: danielpbarron dory mothered three kittens and was found with them, abandoned, in an empty apartment
cazalla: nubbins`, that's ugly imo, we don't use @qntra.net for email, but more importantly i am not fussed on this idea of bidness cards, so best to ask the others for input
nubbins`: nod, all text incl. email address is mere placeholder
nubbins`: i don't want to decide for 12 people what info they'll have on their cards
nubbins`: personally i'd go with mid-grey ink
danielpbarron: maybe apply the "photocopy" filter to the rabbit image and use as logo
nubbins`: unless you've got a version bigger than 30x30...
nubbins`: but that's the other thing, no logo
cazalla: i can't think of anything more obnoxious than someone giving you their business card, it's pretty much them saying, "here, you're obligated to put this either in your bidness card holder or the bin", perhaps i don't have the sophistication to appreciate bidness cards like ol' buffett (or whoever it is that collects em like baseball cards) but whatevs
nubbins`: cazalla that's because you're not a small business owner dealing with other small business owners
nubbins`: "do you have a card?" "no" "....."
nubbins`: "but you can look us up on facebook"
nubbins`: anyway, a good next step would be for people who intend to receive these cards to put some thought into what info they'd like on them, as well as a general idea of how they'd prefer them to look
ascii_field: i still like the pcb business cards idea - in the abstract
cazalla: as for ads, i've wanted to run them for a while, but credible advertisers are lacking
ascii_field: resistant to solvents, oils, and temp up to 400C
BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> i think gold on black is tacky << I loved nubbins` gold on black
nubbins`: say, any PCB layouts from the cardano project approaching 3.5x2" in size?
ascii_field: nubbins`: the current version of the mainboard, approx.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo you'll find this is one of the great divides of people the world over: white background vs black
nubbins`: white paper vs black. white shirts vs black.
nubbins`: ascii_field just pondering pcb cards w/ a bit more of a story behind em
nubbins`: got any vector files or anything?
nubbins`: am i allowed to ask for them yet? 8)
BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> maybe apply the "photocopy" filter to the rabbit image and use as logo << probably would work cleaner as lineart bunny
ascii_field: nubbins`: generally it is -defunct- hardware that gets recycled into toys
nubbins`: oh, i'm thinking silkscreening the design on paper
danielpbarron: yeah idk what the best filter is, but the idea is it works well as a single color
nubbins`: lay the traces in gold ink, flood a mask of semi-transparent green/red/blue/w/e on top
nubbins`: white for markings/biz card info
nubbins`: picture a sparkfun but with "stan" written on the bottom
ascii_field not enamoured of toys which look like functional things but aren't
nubbins`: *:ascii_field not enamoured of toys which look like functional things but aren't <<< there's a word for this, it escapes me
nubbins`: like how Notes looks like a notepad
ascii_field: skeumorphism was text editors that look like parchment, waveform editors with drawn 'oscilloscope knobs', etc
nubbins`: technically a business card that looks like a pcb is not this, but w/e
ascii_field: skeumorph -does something- like what the thing it imitates did
nubbins`: what i should've said was "there's a word for something else, it escapes me"
BingoBoingo: www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/opinion/sunday/judith-shulevitz-hiding-from-scary-ideas.html
nubbins`: BingoBoingo either that was already pasted here, or something else strange is going on
cazalla: nubbins`, posted yesterday, hilarious read
wsbtc: Hi, I'm here to learn more about bitcoin and I understand that this is the place to do it. Where should I begin?
danielpbarron: if you know how to GPG, you could get yourself in the WoT
assbot: Invalid verfication string.
mircea_popescu: Invitation@bitcoinfield.net4:06 pm 3.6 KiBBitcoinField - Invest Bitcoins and Receive Daily r...
mircea_popescu: "Hello, I am inviting you to check this Investment opertunity with bitcoins. "
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i just realised, talking to punkman yest, that we've actually been here for well over three years.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 13:19:22; assbot: Mars One Finalist Announces That It's All A Scam | IFLScience ... (
http://bit.ly/19KIucz )
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you think ? the things i've seen people brag about since then...
mircea_popescu: "17 yo entrepreneur" of yesterday was bragging about "trading altcoins for four years".
ascii_field was about to say 'everyone's honest after losing' but then remembered the tales of phorum sc4mz0rz who transition to shills, etc
mircea_popescu: think about that for a moment, solid coin hadn't been even invented yet.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field yeah, world's been revolutionized a coupla times and changed who even knows how often since those days.
mircea_popescu: After filling out an application (mostly out of curiosity), former NASA researcher Joseph Roche, now of Trinity College, became one of 100 finalists to live in permanent settlement on Mars. In his interview with Elmo Keep for Medium, Roche expressed many concerns, ranging from inaccurate media coverage (there were only 2,761 applicants, not 200,000) to Mars One’s psychological or psychometric testing (or lack thereof
mircea_popescu: ) to how leading contenders earned their spot (he says they paid for it).
ascii_field waits for the inevitable 'but of course anyone who would go in for this is so gullible god himself put him upon this earth to be fleeced, by us preferably' retort from the m4rssc4mz0r
mircea_popescu: ascii_field in those venues where idiots congregate, this is heard, because it actually is +ev.
ascii_field: oh wouldn't dream of seeing him appear -here-
mircea_popescu: when you're a scammer you gotta be very careful with your time. keeping above water quite the challenge.
ascii_field: this is basic 'spam like a pro in 21 days' material...
wsbtc: The more I read that page, the more I realize I didn't know nearly as much about Bitcoin as I though I did.
mircea_popescu: There are other bad signs for Mars One. The organization’s contract with production company Endemol is no longer in place; Mars One was hoping to generate $6 billion from a reality show.
mircea_popescu: dude wtf... srsly, 6bn ? like, three derps got together and went, "hey, this IDEA is totally worth one hundred thousand new cars" ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla just for the record, on my wishlist-of-things-way-far-out-of-reach, stuff which like hooft says, i'll be happy to get in a 100 years : i'd totally love it if qntra did what medium does, and is correct in doing : chase these social justice idiocies, get insiders to spill the beans.
mircea_popescu: the projects will multiply, as time goes by, for the obvious economic reasons. the lulz will increase. lulz must be mined!
mircea_popescu: And as far as the delays are concerned, he says, “is it really a failure if we land our first crew two, four, six, or even eight years late?”
mats: bugs.archlinux.org/task/34580
mircea_popescu: mats : "Comment by Massimiliano Torromeo (mtorromeo) - Friday, 05 April 2013, 12:07 GMT This package is not a dependency of any other package. It also needs to be explicitly installed AND started/enabled so after installation the system is not any less secure."
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 13:32:08; nubbins`: (cough)
mircea_popescu: but, the fact that chick can get him that worked up over nothing bodes well for teh twu wuv factor involved :D
thestringpuller: i wonder if one day effort to be scammer will outweight that of doing actual work
thestringpuller: i guess ppl jus stoopid and don't know scamming doesn't pay
nubbins`: whoteknighting = showing people the mirror?
nubbins`: anyway, much flatter a power struggle, i like that
punkman: work doesn't pay much either for most folks
trinque: mircea_popescu: there was plenty more a sober me decided not to put in the permanent record
trinque: reduces to socialism is awesome because artists vs no, food is good
trinque: completely stupid argument
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> cazalla just for the record, on my wishlist-of-things-way-far-out-of-reach, stuff which like hooft says, i'll be happy to get in a 100 years : i'd totally love it if qntra did what medium does, and is correct in doing : chase these social justice idiocies, get insiders to spill the beans. << Medium is just some twitter founder's take on blogger. It only holds writing from the people who choose to blog there for fre
mircea_popescu: trinque btw, the "artists of socialism" nonsense is just so much bunk, and thorouighly debunked.
trinque: I got drunk and started giving a loud speech at a bar about how great markets are
mircea_popescu: this was the soviet argument in the 20s. their "artistry" fizzled, and really, 10 years out of 70 ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i know that part, i'm not arguing roundly for its merits.
trinque: and how "artists" live at the pleasure of people with wealth, and no other way
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00025001 = 3.5626 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: so basically we could say "another copacetic union ruined by trilema" ?
nubbins`: you wrote an essay on this, i ...oh, heh
trinque: I was an asshole before I read you, though
nubbins`: "making your thorax palpitate since 1978"
trinque: look! the sky! it's the ass-signal!
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, funny story. friend with small baby, intelligent woman, actual engineer, the works.
mircea_popescu: she knows, for instance, that one of the first things kids babblingly ask is why is the sky blue ?
trinque: reminds me of louis ck's "why" bit
mircea_popescu: the only thing missing'd have been, kid frowning and in very bussins voice
trinque must find a power outlet, brb
mircea_popescu: check it out, trinquette kicked undata out, now he's a bum
thestringpuller: has a sticker that says, "Keeping public employees employed since 2009"
gribble: undata was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 weeks, 2 days, 17 hours, 35 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: * undata clicks
nubbins`: that's a "does", not an "is" :D
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah, well... that's a good point. in honesty so is gawker, but anyway. the distinction between one model and the other blurs.
mircea_popescu: in the words of the great jukov, "the fact that the americans won that battle by sheer accident doesn't mean we shouldn't win the same way deliberately"
mircea_popescu: and if neobee/primeasic/whatever is bitcoin news, so is the exactly identially executed, designed and manned "mars project"
mircea_popescu: at any rate, i think by now we know more about scams than ny's da office, collectively.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: aite, the Mars thing has been out for a while. I'll keep looking for the next one.
chetty: if the da's knew anything about scams the entire rest of the gubermint would be in jail
mircea_popescu: that also. but i just mean know, not necessarily act, to give them a chance.
mircea_popescu: louis c k is givving the snotty brat way too much control over her environment.
mircea_popescu: she's gonna grow up to believe socialism is best because artists.
ascii_field: 'While investigating this rather innocuous looking program I discovered that it accepts commands by listening for HTTP requests on localhost:8884 and that the security restrictions Dell put in place are easily bypassed, meaning an attacker could trigger the program to download and install any arbitrary executable from a remote location with no user interaction at all.'
mircea_popescu: While investigating this rather innocuous looking program I discovered that it accepts commands by listening for HTTP requests on localhost:8884 and that the security restrictions Dell put in place are easily bypassed, meaning an attacker could trigger the program to download and install any arbitrary executable from a remote location with no user interaction at all.
mircea_popescu: " So let's take a closer look at the program - it's a .NET 2.0 executable and can be completely decompiled with dotPeek into a set of Visual Studio solutions."
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 06:45:26; mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> something tells me that block downloading and peer selection is an important thing to look at in the next few arbitrary time units. << that something is athena riding a flaming shield.
ascii_field remembers about his unfinished 'hardwired peers' patch for 0.5.3
mircea_popescu: ascii_field and the "introduce scoring for peers, shitlist least performing for x interval" idea from earlier, same thread.
brendafdez: re: Businesscards. I found a QR code with a BTC address, and now, also the GPG fingerprint, provide a good excuse to hand it out without sounding like you're forcing them. "Where do I send the btc?" --"Here!" (:
ascii_field: i'll sum it up here. 1) sane node -always, without exception- connects to as many wot nodes as are up 2) then possibly connects to others from cache
ben_vulpes: is redundant block downloading a horrible idea?
ben_vulpes: perhaps to reduce bw waste, randomly ask for n-plicate copies of blocks from other nodes?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the only reasonable way to go about it is, pretend the other nodes are your employees. measure the txn bytes/minute you receive from them, give points.
mircea_popescu: problem solves itself. whether they duplicate or not is a byproduct : competition, economical.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: measure the txn bytes/minute you receive from them << won't work for 0.5.3 as presently exists. bastard blocks -get transmitted- before rejected
mircea_popescu waits patiently for the vc funded, world changing "start-up" predicated on having read the above lines in the log.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i was talking more in terms of how it's supposed to go. i'm aware the current pos is a pos.
ben_vulpes: "this one neat trick to speed up blockchain sync time!"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and also, on my personal wishlist : could block generation finally be fucking fixed ?
mircea_popescu: i was nonplussed that i can't make blocksized txn in 2012, i still am nonplussed.
ben_vulpes: that's deeeeeeep in the transaction creation code iirc.
mircea_popescu: it's a total fucking pain when stuff like, payout of the bfl bitbet happens
ascii_field: fastest way for mircea_popescu to do this is, unfortunately but probably, to wait for my version.
mircea_popescu: (mp fondly remembers how he's one of the... one guy that hit the power rangers over the head until they finally put encryption into wallets. which, prior to mid 2012, were plaintext)
ascii_field: (i like how it occurred to no one to ask why 1mb tx)
mircea_popescu: (and i'm not entirely sure that encryption's worth jack shit, by the way, if someone feels like reading it)
ben_vulpes: i don't see why plaintext is so bad, i mean to say.
ben_vulpes: encrypt wallet with gpg, move to safe location on disk, run without hot wallet.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes does not keep 'wallet' around. he memorizes private key
ben_vulpes: stop bitcoind, move wallet back in, restart, sync wallet txns periodically.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes don't forget to encrypt your privkey ring with gpg too
mircea_popescu: look, you're spewing nonsense. think in simple terms : if wallet is encrypted by program using it, then it can be read by program using it, and kernel.
mircea_popescu: if wallet is encrypted in useralnd, then it's read by gpg
ascii_field: incidentally (i wrote) a neat little proof of concept bin patch for bitcoind on winblows.
ben_vulpes: i've always assumed that if someone got access to the machine while hot, the coins were gone regardless.
ascii_field: the first outgoing tx sent by the luser after it goes to addr A
ascii_field: notice how much good the wallet crypto does him.
ascii_field: oh and sends whole wallet's weight of course
mircea_popescu: ascii_field you know im not proposing quinine solves gout over here.
mircea_popescu: and your "poc" that "sends whole wallet" is going to run into some fucking lulzy problems once it gets implemented,
ascii_field: creates a legit tx using the luser's own client
mircea_popescu: whatever it may say, fuck you and a heap of error: {"code":-4,"message":"Transaction creation failed"}
ascii_field: that has [sum of his unspent coin - 0.1 fee] value, and is to addr A (constant) instead of wherever he asked for
mircea_popescu: if you imagine this "sum of unspent coin" symbol is defined...
brendafdez: I always wondered why negative error codes...
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: iterates, incr. fee, until no error
mircea_popescu: "hey everyone since i installed alfbitcoin my system has been doing 100% cpu"
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a reason wallet theft consisted of stealing the (plaintext) wallet file
mircea_popescu: rather than this sort of stuff. it's about 100x easier, given the sad state of bitcoind
mircea_popescu: and people fail to think how important this is, because atm relatively few addresses (if you divide total btc to total addresses you get a .x ish average)
mircea_popescu: but once the average per address is under 0.0001... just you see quadratics then
ascii_field: who the hell has wallet full of nanodust also
mircea_popescu: i would guess more bitcoin has been loist to nanodusting than to outright laptop-in-garbage dump incidents
ascii_field: if so, it is on account of the idiocy where the client has no idea how to 'defragment'
mircea_popescu: just, the owners still think they own the dust they can't actually send anywhere.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field not only that. the txn making is dust-agnostic. instead of optimizing to not create too small chunks, it just does whatever.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the fucktards are busy "innovating" bullshit.
mircea_popescu: the hard problems of bitcoin are still untouched since six yyears ago when satoshi saw them and ran screaming.
ascii_field: the most frustrating part is that the correct solutions are so obvious.
ascii_field: i mean to say, they are actually obvious to anyone who stayed awake in junior 'algorithms'
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ascii_field not only that. the txn making is dust-agnostic. instead of optimizing to not create too small chunks, it just does whatever. << aggressively whatever. semi random selection of outputs, iirc.
mircea_popescu: (honestly i've not really looked what they've been doing with it since 7ish)
mircea_popescu: ascii_field anyway, if you're curious, do a braid on a bitcoin then see what happens.
mircea_popescu: (split it to three addresses, then feed one by two for a while)
mircea_popescu: this is the golden standard for testing txn generators.
mircea_popescu: or, closer to what you want, "then send it all to one address". see with own eyes.
ascii_field: i have this working for a [censored application] but it uses machine (outside of bitcoind) generated tx
mircea_popescu: alf trying to scam me in argument! "oh, bitcoind works. i think so because i don't use it because it doesn't"
ascii_field believes when mircea_popescu says that it -will- explode if used as printed on the crate
ascii_field: likewise most of the folks here have read enough of it to see how this might be
BingoBoingo: Bitcoind (and a number of the other 'wallets') grind balances to dust over time.
☟︎ ascii_field: phoundation justified it with 'bbbut an0nym1ty1111!!111'
ascii_field: 'wouldn't want to link the coins you got from bin laden to the ones you got from george bush, when you go spend'em'
mircea_popescu: you for some reason seem to think scam foundation and bitcoin are cogenerational. this is about as true as saying you and your mom were born the same week
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i formed this impression because i do not know the actual truth of the extent of collaboration between gavin et al and satoshi pre-phoundation
ascii_field: having contradictory data, assumed the worst.
mircea_popescu: fake foundation's just a pressed shitbullet, they made it, getting rid of it won't get rid of the problem.
mircea_popescu: it's exactly like "Bitcoin magazine", meanwhile buried.
mircea_popescu: once they didn't get away with simply stealing that, they made coindesk.
mircea_popescu: which will be buried too, but... still. you don't kill ticks by breaking the bellies.
mircea_popescu: anyway, gavin showed up pretty quick o nthe original lists. to no one's suprirse, nsa does read the stuff, as amply documented.
ascii_field saw phoundation and gavinatronics as mostly synonymous
mircea_popescu: well perhaps the discussion of which lice spawned what scorpion is not directly interesting to engineers, being more in the vein of politics and law. so i guess you actually have a fine aproximation.
ascii_field actually does find it interesting, and if mircea_popescu ever writes a detailed likbez, will enjoy reading
mircea_popescu: but no, the two got merged late. originally, foundation was transparent scam to syphon and repurpose bitcoins to prop up "vc entreprises".
mircea_popescu: once got called out on that, shed some bits (coinlab, anyone recall that ?) and moved to "worthy goals" (stioll not releasing any reports, because vessenes, like all clueless idiots involved, thinks taint is a thing, and also thinks i don't know his addresses, because whatever, he's magically protected by nulandine)
mircea_popescu: except no worthy goals were willing to work with them, and so moved to "default worthy goal" = pay gavin a salary.
mircea_popescu: which pretty much brings us to 2014, when the thing became too expensive to be useful, so it had to run out of usg jurisdiction (went to uk)
mircea_popescu: pretending now that hey, "they are publishing reports". of the new entity.
mircea_popescu: because whatever, i'm going to hang them anyway, and usg isn't going to hang them no matter what, so that leaves a space in the middle.
mircea_popescu: (and by "too expensive to be useful" i don't mean anything but, for every btc in gains it makes us, it gives that terrorist we shall not name 10 to 100 btc worth of ammo)
mircea_popescu waves @ Patrick Merck, who realised all this shit too late and ran off through the wall.
BingoBoingo: "called a Jew" scapegoat isn't as sticky nao
mats: is Merck still general counsel for TBP?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller if you want to talk "women in tech" it really starts with noether.
ascii_field: it doesn't get any hotter than lovelace, imho
mircea_popescu: anywya, i have deepthroat right here, it's... ungreat.
ascii_field: i often wonder where the 'kabuki' of modern western porn came from
ascii_field: meaning, roughly speaking, the set of conventions re: what the heroes look like, what they do, etc.
mircea_popescu: originally, it was actually max hardcore i think. after that, it was mostly bangbros.
ascii_field: (because, i will confess, i never really went in for it)
mircea_popescu: (if you read teh trilematograph heading you prolly know i've been working on a very similar question)
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 13:45:09; nubbins`: (given that free advice can only cost $0, the set of possible costs for said free advice is a zero ring, which precludes the set from being a field, which means that division by zero is not required to be undefined, which means that your assertion that it's infinitely more valuable is, at least superficially, true)
mircea_popescu: dun worry sir whiteknight, b-a brings the best out in everyone.
mircea_popescu: guy walking through street at night. suddenly, jumped by some burly dudes.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: too late alfie. << ahahhhahaha. The nickname is sticking!
mircea_popescu: they struggle a little, he's taken to the ground, at which point the leader of the pack goes
mircea_popescu: listen dude, you're getting fucked whbether you want to or not. it's a fact. the only questrion to you is, if you want to do it with alifie or without.
mircea_popescu: at which the leader goes "Yo! Alifie! come over we got one."
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 21:31:49; BingoBoingo: Bitcoind (and a number of the other 'wallets') grind balances to dust over time.
jurov: at least 1.9, dunno about 2.0
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 14:21:16; bitstein: Is there a reason WoT ratings are not required to be GPG signed?
jurov: does assbot store the !v verification string?
jurov: imo that was what was meant
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 14:22:40; Adlai: and trusting that people don't leave authenticated irc accounts idle accessible to random passersby
mircea_popescu: jurov so the question was more "why does assbot not implement the drawbacks to privacy of a strong crypto verification scheme" ?
jurov: what? everyone being able to check rating entries independently of assbot would do that?
mircea_popescu: well, you're stuck publishing all this signed material in that model.
mircea_popescu: not like people can't do that if they wish, via deedbot.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 14:22:44; bitstein: That just allows the server to know it is talking to who it thinks it is talking to, but it doesn't guarantee the server hasn't fabricated data.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 14:25:35; thestringpuller: its up to kako if he wants to support it with asswot
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 14:45:54; funkenstein_: that's right "the gold market" is a single entity which works towards being "less manipulated".
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 15:07:09; Adlai: this is a good point... even if each wot rating is signed, this can be a false friend - what if you're not looking at the latest version of the ratings? if only we had some way of achieving trust-minimized consensus...
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ahahaha who the fuck came up with this shit. seriously, photoshop "Refuses to open" somethng ?
mircea_popescu: and the user's reaction is anything but getting a 28 inch dropforged wrench and beating it into a pulp. without grease. ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose i might be the only techno-enabled sociopath that disassembled misbehaving hardware/software and let them do X for a while, by themselves, in the dark.
mircea_popescu: like this lazy cd rom that wouldn't spin properly which ended up plucked out, connected straight to power and let spin until it ground itself off.
mircea_popescu: god fucking help any piece of machinery that "just says no"
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 15:18:04; asciilifeform: 'for your own good' of course
bitstein: mircea_popescu: assbot model is much improved over gribble model. there's no more sessions, so you're mostly battling with a solved problem there. << doing an auth for each request is definitely an improvement, but can you elaborate on how that solves the problem?
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 15:28:39; nubbins`: (how? because the yellow tank contains black ink!)
mircea_popescu: lol at the fluffypony businessoutsider link. EXCITING! may become the new AMAZING, as a new generation of idiots moves into bitcoin scam pushing.
fluffypony: of going "BLOCKCHAIN TECHNOLOGY IS IMPORTANT, BUT BITCOIN IS NOT"
fluffypony: and if you shout it loudly enough and often enough it must be true, amiright?
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 16:05:03; thestringpuller: when did businessinsider become gawker?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony im sure it's so totally going to work like all the previous attempts did, which is why we're here.
bitstein: mircea_popescu: I am under the impression that if they wanted to, kako or nano could publish ratings under any name as they please. Is this correct? If so, how can someone viewing the WoT db have certainty that information they see is as the rater intended? GPG signing would be one solution.
mircea_popescu: bitstein this is true for both of them, currently. this happens to also not be a problem because a) they could do this once ; and b) the way you're supposed to use this tool is by asking the raters about their ratings.
mircea_popescu: as pere the entire "wot is not an oilfield with trust as oil".
jurov: !rate bitstein -10 fake rating
mircea_popescu: note that changing this model for "maintain signed ratings" does not help : either of them could show OLD rather than current ratings, which would still be undetectable.
bitstein: mircea_popescu: b is an important point, thanks. As for old rather than current ratings, that's where shasums and deedbot could come in to help.
jurov: bitstein, looks like you want to reinvent the blockchain or sidechain
mircea_popescu: on the other side of the fence there is this (i suspect irrational) notion that pumping out signed material weakens the signer key.
bitstein: mircea_popescu: you would have the hash of the db timestamped, so you can verify that the rating is current as of a certain point (given you have the data to recreate the hash)
mircea_popescu: bitstein take otc-wot rating #14167 on pirateat40, made 2012-08-29 03:14:41. how do you know this is current ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14995 @ 0.00025247 = 3.7858 BTC [+]
bitstein: mircea_popescu: Right, it wouldn't prevent the server from not publishing a rating
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 16:29:55; Adlai: still a little silly for the platform bandied about as turing-complete to lack actual bignums
mircea_popescu: bitstein inasmuch as you want a central repository, you're stuck with a central repository. if you look into the design papers / discussions around gossipd, this is also a well solved problem, just,
gribble: artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 4 days, 16 hours, 16 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <artifexd> Oh, actually that is complaining about one of the golang tools. And it would be dangerous if you had a MITM that could swap out code inflight and were importing external code directly.
mircea_popescu: hm, he had a link with the fixing the lightbulb thing. anyway.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 16:34:10; *: Adlai is fairly certain that phuctor is written in cl
artifexd: The implementation isn't that hard. It is the education that is time consuming.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 17:30:36; PeterL: what I mean is there is such a small amount bet on the bet, you might spend more than you would win holding the price up. Spend tens of btc to win .003 btc?
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 17:54:27; ascii_field: the basic idea - owner-hostile hardware - is gaining ground.
mircea_popescu: this notion that "any people is a people" and computer should be nice to everyone that touches it is nonsense.
mircea_popescu: computer is a woman. it's the woman's job to make loser's life insufferable.
bitstein: mircea_popescu: Thanks. I'll continue reading/thinking about it.
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bitstein: mircea_popescu: I've just been playing with gpg authentication in flask, and I'm trying to better understand how the WoT (in its current implementation) mitigates various risks.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the entire "cinavia" stuff, it seems to me trivial to bypass.
mircea_popescu: then again, i have actually never used a "music cd player", and i don't imagine i ever will.
mircea_popescu: the entire "the watermark is able to survive recording through microphones" is utter bull, so it defeats analog copy. you can trivially remasterize a soundtrack, and if you know what to look for you just nuke it and nobody will even know.
brendafdez: "Even if distribution as a means of payment continues to increase, the system's advantage – decentralization – is also its biggest drawback. Unlike legal tender, there is no authority that guarantees the value of the currency, and bitcoin does not benefit from the resulting confidence. In the end, this confidence is crucial for any currency whose usage extends beyond the exchange of goods."
https://www.credit-suisse.com/ch/en/ne brendafdez: ws-and-expertise/news/banking.article.html/article/pwp/news-and-expertise/2015/03/en/bitcoins-money-without-physical-form.html
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the costs for this pointless idiocy is, that somehow a "commercial" product became MANDATORY.
mircea_popescu: i'm personally waiting for the credit suisse article about the loss of confidence in swiss banks as a result of them selling out their customers to usg & friends.
mircea_popescu: somehow they're not as emphatically knowledgeable on that topic. good that they know how to posture about "confidence" re bitcoin instead.
mircea_popescu: ima go read this article right before i go interview some lepers about best hygiene and diet practices.
mircea_popescu: "On 5 June 2009, the licensing agreements for AACS were finalized, which were updated to make Cinavia detection on commercial Blu-ray Disc players a requirement. On 3 July 2009, Maxim Anisiutkin published an open source DVD Audio watermark detector and neutralizer computer program to the SourceForge web site. The software package contains a detailed description of the method and embedding parameters used in creating th
mircea_popescu: e DVD Audio or SDMI (Secure Digital Music Initiative) watermark, which was created by Verance Inc and was the earlier version of the Cinavia watermarking technology."
mircea_popescu: nubbins` : one face : name, nickname, key. other face : qntra verbiage.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 18:11:57; PeterL: wright brothers were working in their garage
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 18:12:56; funkenstein_: it's a publicly traded non profit ?
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 18:54:36; nubbins`: "Things we dont need: " <followed by several actual solutions
mircea_popescu: if you spend any time talking to us congressmen and senators, various czars of agencies large or small, etc etc, this is EXACTLY the sort of thing that ends up coallescing.
mircea_popescu: there was a video with a poor chinese guy trying to explain to a roomfull of idiots that you can't make square circles or something.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 19:14:34; nubbins`: tv;dw: kids are shown raw truth of chicken nuggets being made from scratch, right in front of them, "EWW GROSSS" etc, then all clamor over each other to eat the fried result
nubbins`: NUGGETS ARE THE ONLY THING THAT GETS HER TO STOP CRYING
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ascii_modem: somehow a "commercial" product became MANDATORY. << ample precedent, e.g., 'macrovision'
nubbins`: mircea_popescu these business cards will be a headless chicken unless either (a) someone decides on basics like paper/ink color or (b) you give me free reign and accept that some/all recipients will be sad pandas
ascii_modem: and cleaning watermarks up without introducing palpable noise is harder than it looks
mircea_popescu: nubbins` atm im waiting a little to give teh interested parties chance to take over the process.
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem think about it,it ?HAS to be sampled. of course spots.
ascii_modem: 13 pitch - lol now sounds like broken tape
BingoBoingo liked the Black and Gold, just thinks the text needs a tweak.
mircea_popescu: i am willing to stake money on the lemma that "no method of publicly accessible encoding into audio signal can be made that can not also be reversed".
jurov: wow mircea can revert wav-> mp3 ?
ascii_modem: but audio has a good bit of slack bs video
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem so you're telling me there's f(data, pic.png) - > pic1.png so that a) i can read f and b) i can't didle pic1.png into pic2.png so you can't read data ?
ascii_modem: (stirmark is open src app for zapping graphical watermarks)
jurov: mircea_popescu: if i encode wav-> mp3 and place barely audible artifacts just so
jurov: how do you revert?
ascii_modem: the correct solution always removes. recall radio jammer thread.
jurov: you can jam but not revert
jurov: the decoder will either reover the artifacts as intended
jurov: or introduce other ones
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem consumer fucking products. the decoder is open.
ascii_modem: if you have it in software, there is no real puzzle
mircea_popescu: argument to fucking ignorance, all this. "here's the fence that i made. it doesn't work, but if everyone made fences and we all agreed not to jump them then nobody could tell the difference"
brendafdez: dont defeat the defeatable fence or else...
mircea_popescu: living in this circumstance is very very bad because it makes one stupid.
mircea_popescu: once your "commerical products" are "mandatory" it's not just music you broke. you broke economy.
nubbins`: please tell me that you're not implying you can reconstruct lost information discarded by a codec
funkenstein_: You can’t never go wrong cuttin’ fence.…Always cut fence. -- seldom seen smith
mircea_popescu: now your kids won't be able to compete with their kids, because your kids are stupid.
nubbins`: is this like CSI security cam footage?
ascii_modem: incidentally it is worth remembering how it works
mircea_popescu: and then you spend more to educate them, and the more you spend the stupider they get.
ascii_modem: idiot hollywood types -demand- drm snakeoil
mircea_popescu: and so you lost at life, all through this inept bullshit of "if we pretend it works anyway it'll really work!!1"
jurov: mircea your premise is good but arguments flawed
ascii_modem: charlatans materialize always, to give it to them
mircea_popescu: this is the almighty, societal-saving importance of "fhut the suck up, nobody asked you anything"
ascii_modem: except hollywood and 'intellectual property' racket in general is core usg
mircea_popescu: it can be the core of its own mother for all the difference it makes.
brendafdez: indiancandy1 i'm not deep, just like pretending sometimes. those who are see right thru :3
mircea_popescu: "sorry to tell you sir, you have cancer" "you know who i am ? i am the usg czar for rounded corners" "oh, in that case...umm... it's a skin condition. put some aloe on it."
brendafdez: indiancandy1 thats a compliment? bi softy
mircea_popescu: jurov im not so sure. then again im clueless enough about this stuff...
jurov: youre talking about "reverting" when you mean jamming the watermark
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 it's why anal sex is best sex. unlike vagina, ass just keeps going.
brendafdez: mircea_popescu you did post pictures of an actual penis in some other trilema article, if I remember right...
mircea_popescu: also, people, tuna is to be canned in oil not fucking water wtf is this.
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mircea_popescu: real transylvanians have their tuna canned in hard cream!
mircea_popescu: shit that was a long article. almost as long as the dong.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 19:46:26; nubbins`: "do you have a card?" "no" "....."
nubbins`: have had happen, it's embarassing.
mircea_popescu: mp often turns and goes "give him a card" like he's teh baws of it all.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 19:51:37; ascii_field: but most of all, memorable
nubbins`: every nose that's wrinkled in disgust at our business name is a nose that'll remember it
mircea_popescu: "you said you want an escort ?" "yes. but not pink lips studios! I HAVE TRIGGERS"
nubbins`: should be a fun summer for us this year
nubbins`: big competition is changing hands
mircea_popescu: (for a while highschool convention on "who's going" was... wearing pink lipstick. then tattoos got started.)
mircea_popescu: seems reasonable. "if can't find her naked pics anywhere, no point bothering with her"
nubbins`: the fact that the competition is changing hands, incidentally, is made slightly more interesting by the fact that pascale is precisely half of the employee list of the competition
mircea_popescu: you're just a bunch of weird bored middle class dudes in a cul de sac somewhere pretending to be printing in between wife swappings aren;t you.
nubbins`: send me $100 and a mailing address
mircea_popescu: sort-of like dallas and stuff of the era. "now you're married to her and running this company. ok, now she moves on to him, and the company to him, etc"
nubbins`: all play and no work makes a tv drama
nubbins`: anyway, even two printers can pump out a massive volume of shirts
nubbins`: "big competition" total incoming/outgoing maybe 900btc/year
mircea_popescu: yeah indiancandy1 why don't you live like that ? find some nice boring guys to get spitroasted by.
mircea_popescu: this seems to be a theme here. but i thought only guys did it.
mircea_popescu: (obv. im being facetious. you know this, but the guys themselves don't. )
mircea_popescu: brendafdez more "because he seems to know it hurts and be amused by the circumstance"
mircea_popescu: it's pretty fucking stupid, i dunno why i keep doing this thing where i comment on some idiot's rants.
brendafdez: i don't multithread, if I'm here I'm just here, reading the channel.
mircea_popescu: sure, gets in some good points from the side, but the deluge of dumb brings the whole thing down.
mircea_popescu: brendafdez im also eating chocolatebananaraisin with san juan.
brendafdez: chocolatebananaraisin? sounds good... i guess
mircea_popescu: nubbins` to your credit, i thought you were way fatter than the cats show.
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 no the actual ingredients. a bag of pasas de uva. a bag of la pinocha. a banana.
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 anyway, why not study to be a nurse ? it pays well.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i'm comely when supine
mircea_popescu: you'll still be catering to ugly old schmoes, but at least this tiem have a good pretext.
mircea_popescu: plus if you suck a cock once in a blue moon you'll be popular as all hell.
nubbins`: but at least the meds are cheap
brendafdez: hahah was going to say that, no free lunch