Adlai: i'm code literate in java << they've really been lowering the bar eh
Adlai: used to be you needed to write a macro to get your shilly wings
mircea_popescu: honestly i never saw someoine who could code call themselves "code literate in x". sounds more like something i'd say.
Adlai: fwiw that nick means "dark pig"
mircea_popescu: "A second poster tried the test, but botched the implementation, proving only that with diligence it is possible to make anything run slowly."
mircea_popescu: From research!ucbvax!dagobah!td Sun Nov 13 07:35:46 1983
mircea_popescu: Received: by ucbvax.ARPA (4.16/4.13) id AA18997; Sun, 13 Nov 83 07:35:46 pst
mircea_popescu: Received: by dagobah.LFL (4.6/4.6b) id AA01034; Thu, 10 Nov 83 17:57:56 PST
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mircea_popescu: "It amazes me that after 10 years of writing C there are still little corners that I haven't explored fully. "
mircea_popescu: what do you mean "how it works" anyway ? cheaper to compare than to iterate.
assbot: Logged on 19-06-2015 23:04:20; ben_vulpes: wai wut how do they not break backups.
mircea_popescu: is it because they imagien that the "do" only exists in case 0
mircea_popescu: this is a subtle but perhaps excellent test for distinguishing the categories you proposed
mircea_popescu: "they who imagine the computer is god" from "they who imagine the computer is this tramp they picked up hitchhiking and will fcuk her a little before cutting her up to pieces"
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the original babbage wonderment is perhaps the first clash of the two
mircea_popescu: "why should the machine put out the right numbers regardless ?!?! BECAUSE IT IS THE MACHINE"
mircea_popescu: before fucking her a while before cutting her up again
mircea_popescu: actually, any half good lawyer wouldnt be surprised either.
decimation: the confusing thing to me is the closure in the middle of the switch
mircea_popescu: but it is a powerful indictment of the "colored bits" concept. because lo! the compiler doth NOT CARE whence this executionable bitcoin went. merely what it says
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decimation: I guess if it compiles and produces machine code, machine will execute
mircea_popescu: decimation the only way that wouldn't compile is if you specifically put custom code in tyh4e compiler to complain about it
mircea_popescu: and i bet you for any bayesian filter you can come up with someone can find a circumventer
decimation: yeah, no compiler/static checker can possibly consider all cases
decimation: any more than enumerate all possible chess 'corners'
mircea_popescu: that said, it's prolly a safe bet that contemporary compilers do in fact complain
mircea_popescu: anyway : the do doesn't exist when it appears in the code, but when the returning while is looking for it. much like the tits on the girl don't belong to the girl.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "Police disabled the vehicle with a .50 caliber rifle shot to the engine block."
decimation: "I cannot quote chapter and verse, but Larry Rosler, who was chairman of the language subcommittee (I think), has assured me that X3J11 considered it carefully and decided that it was legal."
mircea_popescu: you know what happened. some lt in that preceinct had a .5 DE in his special closet.
☟︎ decimation: "What struck me as most fascinating were the accounts from several sources of how the police dealt with the lack of covering fire that a SWAT team would provide today. They just went to citizens in the area and asked them to bring their rifles and shoot at the tower, and they all went to their pickups, got their deer rifles and did what they could to help."
decimation: "Their covering fire kept Whitman down and limited him to shooting through a drain opening, pretty much stopping the killing and giving officers the opportunity to get into the building. The officers also deputized one of the citizens to go with them into the tower to give them a bit more firepower, although he didn't end up facing Whitman.
decimation: they probably didnt' use a .50 DE, they probably had a proper anti-material rifle
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decimation: I doubt a .50 action express has enough power to penetrate armor
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah but the desert eagle round is only 33 mm long
trinque: joe stack et al, glory to them all
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assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 00:56:22; mircea_popescu: you know what happened. some lt in that preceinct had a .5 DE in his special closet.
decimation: yes and the armor piercing .50 bmg rounds are common.
decimation: I have a friend who has one, they are fairly common among shooting enthusiasts
decimation: he told me the cheapest way to get ammo is to buy usg surplus
decimation: apparently after the round is shipped too many times, the powder becomes too fine and burns off too quickly
decimation: usg sells shell as surplus, can reload yourself
decimation: it's not really strong enough for that either
decimation: maybe he spent his youth playing counterstrike
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 01:04:38; mircea_popescu: nato fires 99mm
assbot: Why the Marines have failed to adopt a new sniper rifle in the past 14 years - The Washington Post ... (
http://bit.ly/1IpmuO7 )
decimation: taliban/isil with .50 cal dshk can outrange them
decimation: yeah it isn't clear if this article is about actual snipers or designated marksmen
decimation: yeah, in this case it obviously came in handy
decimation: but this will be the one corner case that will justify $mil in usg 'requirements'
decimation: if you fill out reams of usg paperwork and file for license you can also have .50 machine gun
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 00:50:54; mircea_popescu: anyway : the do doesn't exist when it appears in the code, but when the returning while is looking for it. much like the tits on the girl don't belong to the girl.
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 00:42:54; asciilifeform: of course, folks who regularly deal with the output of c compiler cannot be surprised by duff's device
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decimation: asciilifeform: might as well set program counter directly
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assbot: BitBet - FreeSeas INC, NASDAQ:FREE, will trade at least 0.10 USD per share before 1st July 2015. :: 3.24 B (44%) on Yes, 4.19 B (56%) on No | closed 1 day 21 hours ago ... (
http://bit.ly/1J9jf2R )
decimation: wtf why are people betting on random greek shipping companies?
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 not much to tell, back before you were born porn used ot make money.
mircea_popescu: well so then that's why i didn't tell you, because i told them. i can't do everything myself.
mircea_popescu: memory is getting hazy after all the years, but i dun think i actually directed anything
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mircea_popescu: a producer is traditionally more like the adult in charge of the children on the set.
decimation: what's the difference between that and the director?
mircea_popescu: the director's more like the spiritual leader of teh tribe. the producer just makes sure they have enough food and don't fight with it.
mircea_popescu: but in any case, ima direct something with girls in it, so twedledoo
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mats: no i think indiancandy is funny
mats: am imagining cali valley girl with bollywood english accent
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Home school, Shanghai school, and American K-12 all in one conversation ... (
http://bit.ly/1ewosVy )
decimation: " In Shanghai the children, age 5 and 11, had attended an international school that was so demanding the parents had to stay up tutoring until 11 pm some nights. Public school in the Boston suburbs, by contrast, is so easy that the children don?t need any after-school help."
decimation: "However, the mother now has to spend nearly all of her time managing household affairs. ?We had three people to help us in Shanghai,? said the father, ?but here just weekly cleaners.?"
decimation: ^ note that about half the population in the us is paid by the state to do nothing
decimation: they could be doing something useful, like cleaning toilets
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mats: > the team is disclosing full details of the Microsoft Internet Explorer research submitted after receiving confirmation that Microsoft does not intend to patch the Address Space Layout Randomization (ASLR) flaw involved.
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jurov: hush, lest you cause alf to start measuring cardano emanations and delay the project 10 years
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mircea_popescu: punkman antenna has to be very close and the reason they use it on laptops is that it doesn't actually work on metallic chassis desktops.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: (not even going into the details of how running bitcoin in the background provides nearly perfect defense for all this, because good luck distinguishing)
mircea_popescu: "In order to extend the attack range, we added a 50dB gain stage using a pair of inexpensive low-noise amplifiers (Mini-Circuits ZFL-500LN+ and ZFL-1000LN+ in series, 175$ total). We also added a low-pass filter before the amplifiers. With this enhanced setup, the attack can be mounted from 50 cm away. Using better antennas, amplifiers and digitizers, the range can be extended even further."
mircea_popescu: yes, further, but logarithmically. the next 1k spent adds 10 cm. the next 100k spent adds another 10 cm. etc.
mircea_popescu: "Q5: What if I can't get physically close enough to the target computer?
mircea_popescu: There are still attacks that can be mounted from large distances. Laptop-chassis potential, measured from the far end of virtually any shielded cable connected to the laptop" << tells you all you actually wanted to know.
☟︎ PeterL: who is running scoopbot_revived ?
PeterL: it's going good, but keeps me pretty busy
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PeterL: ;;later tell williamdunne want me to give you the nick "scoopbot" for your bot?
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mircea_popescu: "[How is it possible for an adult American to need to spend full-time maintaining a 20-year-old house? I got some insight into this the other day. << holy shit the us has turned into 80s romania.
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Home school, Shanghai school, and American K-12 all in one conversation ... (
http://bit.ly/1fnFENk )
mircea_popescu: anyway, the comments on that article are particularly retarded. one schmuck that can barely spell brings the entire "football team fan" argument, without a trace of irony or even the faintest hint of self awareness. he honestly believes that since "technology" today is better than 100 years ago, while the math kids could do out of highschool back then was 10x harder, it then follows that studying hard has no payoff.
mircea_popescu: some other schmuck by the name of "jim" explains that he would really really want everyone to beliueve that hte children of special people are not in fact special by this fact, but merely indistinct mass, because everything's equal, and moreover that kids who didn't go through the everything's equal idiocizer "lack the ability to empathize with their peers", which is codetalk for "do not credit the idiotic propositiopn
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i have no fucking clue how greenspun keeps from going on a shooting rampage, living with these idiots.
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mircea_popescu: "Nevertheless, if at issue is to find out if FartFarer was the DukeDickwalker's father or uncle one can always trust the wikidorks got it right."
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danielpbarron: > Yet when we learn about anything important done by a black person in history, it is always pointed out repeatedly that they were black. For example when we learn about how George Washington carver was the first bobbaer smart enough to open a peanut.
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danielpbarron: > I dont pretend to understand why jews do what they do. They are enigma.
mircea_popescu: The event that truly awakened me was the Trayvon Martin case. I kept hearing and seeing his name, and eventually I decided to look him up. I read the Wikipedia article and right away I was unable to understand what the big deal was. It was obvious that Zimmerman was in the right. But more importantly this prompted me to type in the words �black on White crime� into Google, and I have never been the same since that
mircea_popescu: anyway, as a present day slave owner that thing makes for a pretty amusing read.
mircea_popescu: "A horse and a donkey can breed and make a mule, but they are still two completely different animals. Just because we can breed with the other races doesnt make us the same. " << this is actually a flawed argument on multiple levels. first off, the mule is sterile. second off, the ability to conceive is a very good measure of species proximity. thirdly, there's no proposition of "identity", there's no such thing as bio
mircea_popescu: logical identity, or for that matter identity in nature.
mircea_popescu: the multicultural proposition is idempotence, not identity.
mircea_popescu: "I think that if we could somehow destroy the jewish identity, then they wouldnt cause much of a problem." bwahaha dude...
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mircea_popescu: "I will say this though, I myself would have rather lived in 1940's American than Nazi Germany, and no this is not ignorance speaking, it is just my opinion." << holy shit, by the time a guy with serious respect for opinions as a mental construct and a preference for historical us over nazi germany goes shooting up the police station you know the sops problem hath come full circle.
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mircea_popescu: the us is no longer governable. they can do all usual the song and dance about how "crazy" etc the guy was,
☟︎ danielpbarron: i guess there were two shootings recently; the church one is all over the news and apparently the police station guy isn't
mircea_popescu: "Unfortunately at the time of writing I am in a great hurry and some of my best thoughts, actually many of them have been to be left out and lost forever. But I believe enough great White minds are out there already."
mircea_popescu: the minds are scarcely the problem. which is part of why i credit so little the entire "iq" verbiage. if iq were the determining factor in anything we'd be living on the moon already.
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gribble: Current Blocks: 361783 | Current Difficulty: 4.969238635489384E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 362879 | Next Difficulty In: 1096 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 4 hours, 17 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
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pete_dushenski: "Using fossil records and extinction counts from a range of records" << not the most complete picture, this. sorta hard to draw conclusions on how many cheeses there are in the world based on the ones at your local grocery store
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assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 11:52:26; mircea_popescu: There are still attacks that can be mounted from large distances. Laptop-chassis potential, measured from the far end of virtually any shielded cable connected to the laptop" << tells you all you actually wanted to know.
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 13:32:44; mircea_popescu: so im binge-reading trilema and shit i love myself.
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pete_dushenski: been following that spandrell character that decimation put the chan onto a few weeks back and i have to say that i enjoy and appreciate his historical research and perspective, but it's a shame how badly the kid still cowers in fear of his own shadow
☟︎ pete_dushenski: talking about how "we need to coordinate to protect from sjws"
pete_dushenski: i left him a comment trying to wipe the shit from his eyes but i dun think it was particularly effective
pete_dushenski: i still keep reading him. but he really ought to show up here. i'll have to invite him around one of these days.
pete_dushenski: "The French generals were a lot tougher and better educated than almost anyone in US uniform today. They'd started off doing Jedburgh team jumps into occupied France in WW2, went on through the meat grinder of Indonesia (many through Dien Bien Phu) and Algeria. In the meantime, they'd gotten real educations, not degrees in Business Management from West Dickhole State like your typical US officer."
pete_dushenski: "I understood that a career spent in a careerist organization has the effect of undermining character and training/selecting for poor moral courage, and that nobody in the US military with the rank and position to plan and launch a coup had the courage to do so successfully."
pete_dushenski: a buncha unmotivated, uneducated, unincentivised, uncivilised deskjockeys make up the most 'powerful' arms of the firstbestlargestfastest state in the world
pete_dushenski: if there is a lizard hitler, he's struggling for air beneath his 1000kg cloak of redditardation
pete_dushenski: and it's too beautiful to not be outside right now so ima be gone with the wind !
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assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 15:19:52; mircea_popescu: the us is no longer governable. they can do all usual the song and dance about how "crazy" etc the guy was,
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 11:45:17; mircea_popescu: punkman antenna has to be very close and the reason they use it on laptops is that it doesn't actually work on metallic chassis desktops.
punkman: yeah I'd rather do airgap on laptop with battery than desktop
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 12:23:56; mircea_popescu: some other schmuck by the name of "jim" explains that he would really really want everyone to beliueve that hte children of special people are not in fact special by this fact, but merely indistinct mass, because everything's equal, and moreover that kids who didn't go through the everything's equal idiocizer "lack the ability to empathize with their peers", which is codetalk for "do not credit the i
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assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 17:04:21; pete_dushenski: been following that spandrell character that decimation put the chan onto a few weeks back and i have to say that i enjoy and appreciate his historical research and perspective, but it's a shame how badly the kid still cowers in fear of his own shadow
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 12:24:13; mircea_popescu: i have no fucking clue how greenspun keeps from going on a shooting rampage, living with these idiots.
mircea_popescu: imo, eunuchs understand... futility. and for bonus lol points, fut is the present indicative of to fuck in romanian.
mircea_popescu: i actually think he is more respectable than pretty much every surviving american.
mircea_popescu: you have to dig no further than right here. the fact that you feel teh need to sell me on the idea he never happened is pretty much good enough.
mircea_popescu: but the problem is, there's no promise the how will be approachable.
mircea_popescu: i dun think any of these actually works in this context.
mircea_popescu: let's return to gorgo, the woman that allegedly "spartan women can rule men because they can squeeze them out". her husband famously told her to "mary well and serve her man". also, partizan motherland ?
mircea_popescu: nono, the idea is that calling everything the same thing is the opposite of trying to understand. you can't analyse by synthetic means.
mircea_popescu: if your observation about a fact is a word that applies to all facts, you've not even attempted to study the peculiar of the fact.
mircea_popescu: one certainly can not attempt to apprehend the death of cesaria evora by saying "niggers"
mircea_popescu: no. i don't think your idea of "aims" actually applies to them.
mircea_popescu: they do not have concrete aims in your definition of such.
mircea_popescu: but look : the standard european mecanicism is not a universal ideology. actually, plenty of people have never even heard of it. they regard things - often the same things, yes - but that does not necessarily mean they see themwith the same eyes.
mircea_popescu: take the easier to digest example of the child who earnestly thinks milk comes from the supermarket.
mircea_popescu: you may think "he eats because hungry - just like me", and he agrees.
mircea_popescu: what if - to him, hungry is the subjective sense of lack induced by watching tv without a milk glass in hand like ... every single case of people watching tv he's seen on tv ?
mircea_popescu: ie, a being not informed by the rote assumptions of your culture.
mircea_popescu: the ascendancy of ideology does not actually bring anything into being but its own zombies.
mircea_popescu: because what a dead and decaying civilisation does to the brain is indistinguishable from the early stages of mental illness.
mircea_popescu: but the comparison can not be properly carried in civilisational terms - there aren't any. the only common ground is natural, and that's what yields there.
mircea_popescu: sane + civilised is only available at times when a civilisation prospers. these aren't these atm.
mircea_popescu: arguably it's right here, but i think it's early for that.
jurov: btw, when it was prospering? in manifest destiny times?
mircea_popescu: 1890 probably closest available. it IS possible china is prospering atm, i am blind and clueless
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only marginal avenue for all that is claiming mussolini's claimed italian revival was genuine. i speak the language and do not believe the theory, in agreement with the vast bulk of native speakers.
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mircea_popescu: hitler&gobbles' inane insanities certainly do not constitute more of a nordic system than the current socialism.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let me approach the matter this way : you have an infestation of badgers in your living room. so you set down a dozen traps. overnight, two traps have sprung.
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mircea_popescu: at that time the first trap to ever spring sprung, and the second had not : a) were the other eleven effectual or ineffectual ? b) was the one that sprung effectual or ineffectual ? note that still badgers around, AND FROM THE POINT O VIEW OF THE BADGERS, every item is just as much a trap as the traps.
mircea_popescu: the man who has not shot an invader in his livingroom is not by this a man who will not. just a trap no invader has stepped on yet, is all.
mircea_popescu: the man that has so shot one, is not by this ineffectual, even if invaders left.
mircea_popescu: im not entirely sure i have enough data to build a chain as you propose.
mircea_popescu: this is what all they who disagreed with chomsky and agreed with civilisational narrative re joe stack also saw.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it is no argument to say of the badger trap "but it shot no laser"
mircea_popescu: ie, this may be a valid discussion of trapmakers, as it discusses how much of a trap it is, but not at our level, where we discuss what is is.
mircea_popescu: well no. you are in the unique position where someone killed himself, and you say "his death was not effectual - as it didn't resolve his problems. lo, they are still here!"
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mircea_popescu: in any case : people who don't steal do not become by this better thieves. they do instead become part of a different world.
mircea_popescu: tho thieves often think in terms of "o look, a slow scam is being set up!!1"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they are, however briefly. the others often never get around to it.
mircea_popescu: you know, once ceausescu was finally killed, it came to light there have been thousands of people plotting his demise, allegedly. to hear them talk, some of these had gone on for decades.
mircea_popescu: the notion that human agency is ever "effectual" is such rank nonsense to begion with, that a pretense of "saving action for optimal effect" can only be regarded in psychogenic terms
☟︎ mircea_popescu: because they proceed of causes, not towards purposes ? who yet even cares per se of body count ?
mircea_popescu: if this man were here talking, i would make the same exact observation.
mircea_popescu: but note that at no point would him getting killed be part of a best plan, so
mircea_popescu: it's already a given he's taken at most a local maximum
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand, by subjective criteria as you employ, the english empire still survives.
mircea_popescu: white china survives, and the fucking hittite empire to boot
jurov: i can easily imagine elephat drowning in shit
mircea_popescu: you're discussing the matter in inadequate terms, as if you were to try and judge software by what happens with the table.
mircea_popescu: i did think teh present conversatiuon made it plainly clear.
assbot: Logged on 19-06-2015 23:26:40; mircea_popescu: mats and cats have had millions of years to develop fishing implements.
mircea_popescu: i've yet to see a cat in desperate need of overthrowing the imposition of catdom upon it, however.
mircea_popescu: ‘Is that so?’ The other eyed him speculatively, had another pick at his teeth. ‘And what makes him excellent?’
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mircea_popescu: ‘Nonsense!’ declared Gleed. ‘There is no such thing. There is no weapon inventable that the other fellow can’t employ once he gets his hands on it and learns how to operate it.’
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 19:15:29; asciilifeform: (afaik evola is only available in original it and in ru)
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mircea_popescu: anyway, i will say for the record that a) the "economic" model contemplated by the naive socialist pseudo-anarchists cooking up the story is broken and b) anyone aged 16 who can't figure out how to extract value out of it should go hang.
shinohai: @ asciilifeform therefore I post for newcomers to understand why tor is smacktarded.
mircea_popescu: it would take me about a month of "earth time" to own one of their townlets, i reckon.
mircea_popescu: it does not happen period. the "floating value of coin" model gets reliably thundered into the dirt by fixed value coins and arbitrage.
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mircea_popescu: i am aware. this makes it not work quite specifically.
mircea_popescu: Jesus Ortiz: Say, how come you people come to business so naturally?
mircea_popescu: Sol Nazerman: You people? Oh, let's see. Yeah. I see. I see, you... you want to learn the secret of our success, is that right? Alright I'll teach you. First of all you start off with a period of several thousand years, during which you have nothing to sustain you but a great bearded legend. Oh my friend you have no land to call your own, to grow food on or to hunt. You have nothing. You're never in one place long enou
☟︎ mircea_popescu: gh to have a geography or an army or a land myth. All you have is a little brain. A little brain and a great bearded legend to sustain you and convince you that you are special, even in poverty. But this little brain, that's the real key you see. With this little brain you go out and you buy a piece of cloth and you cut that cloth in two and you go and sell it for a penny more than you paid for it. Then you run right o
mircea_popescu: ut and buy another piece of cloth, cut it into three pieces and sell it for three pennies profit. But, my friend, during that time you must never succumb to buying an extra piece of bread for the table or a toy for a child, no. You must immediately run out and get yourself a still larger piece cloth and so you repeat this process over and over and suddenly you discover something. You have no longer any desire, any temp
mircea_popescu: tation to dig into the Earth to grow food or to gaze at a limitless land and call it your own, no, no. You just go on and on and on repeating this process over the centuries over and over and suddenly you make a grand discovery. You have a mercantile heritage! You are a merchant. You are known as a usurer, a man with secret resources, a witch, a pawnbroker, a sheenie, a makie and a kike!
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mircea_popescu: Jesus Ortiz: [long pause] You really some teacher, Mr. Nazerman. You really, really 's the greatest.
mircea_popescu: it is as plausible as the notion that "mecanicity" makes perpetuum mobile more plausible.
mircea_popescu: yes well, the understandings of the crowd as to the justification of rules is made for the comprehension needs of the crowd, not for the expressive needs of the rules.
mircea_popescu: ask someone why shouldn't they fuck their sister next time you want an angry puzzled man.
mircea_popescu: how about they were all bitcoin experts from "the community" of derps that never saw a bitcoin ?
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mircea_popescu: perpetuum mobile is also of perennial interest to the same apeish overaged teen mind.
mircea_popescu: what reasons specifically drive children to immitate speech sounds ?
mircea_popescu: ah that. well, poking around at the world, right ? same reason they stick things in their mouth.
mircea_popescu: if you think about it, men tend to value "fuck me then i take off" girls the most, coworkers less than that and wives even less.
mircea_popescu: ah, no, we're discussing economics here. the ship goes uphil like any othjer ship going uphill.
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decimation: yeah I don't get how this 'black church postal' guy accomplished anything
decimation: the linked diatribe was the black church guy
decimation: his logic went somethingl ike 1.) found out black people suck 2.) "We have no skinheads, no real KKK, no one doing anything but talking on the internet. Well someone has to have the bravery to take it to the real world, and I guess that has to be me.
decimation: even if all he wanted was to increase the 'white team' 'score' at the expense of the 'black team' - it's not at all obvious that this was accomplished
cazalla: having read his little manifesto, the kid is without a doubt a /pol/ack (muh rhodesia, jews etc etc)
decimation: cazalla: it's like someone read moldbug but was unable to comprehend the parts about how this kind of action is hopeless
decimation: if anything, this only gives the 'witch hunters' even more ammo
decimation: in modern times, I suspect that's the case, yes
cazalla: you can always find a national anthem of rhodesia thread on /pol/ too, lyrics and all lol
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I would agree with that too
trinque: bahaha this meme that if any whites suck, it's the fault of teh blacks
trinque: I read about as much of his little manifesto as I could be bothered to
decimation: mircea_popescu: I think that was after moldbug's article
trinque: sorry, blacks didn't do walmart and country music
decimation: I always figured you were inspired by him
trinque: asciilifeform: of course not; guy's capable of "everything is because of the outgroup" and nothing more
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah that's my point, even if he has decided black people suck, it's quite a leap to think that randomly murdering them is going to help anyone's lot
trinque: is that not the most primordial rationale of all time?
decimation: yeah he certainly does not advocate 'resistance through action'
trinque: asciilifeform: is that where I protest the patriarchy by wearing a skirt?
decimation: which is why it was so amusing that he was booted from that programming conference
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, if 'having a brain' means seeing about two moves ahead - would put a damper on 'action'
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2014 22:27:18; asciilifeform: the 'a) wanna buy strela? b) fuck off c) really, dontcha? b) ok sure c) off to jail' thing has been going so long that it doesn't even make national news every time now.
decimation: asciilifeform: of course that man would probably meet a similar end
decimation: but is more likely to achieve some of his ends
assbot: Nobody could have foreseen their using a plane like a rocket on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
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decimation: asciilifeform: no, in fact said mexicans end up justifying budgets for even more usg
mircea_popescu: decimation not that i know. link to what inspired me maybe ?
mircea_popescu: holy shit man. a quote from wikipedia and the next mention of the word in comments ?!
mircea_popescu: this guy's got a pretty fantastic racket. i hope i won't next hear i've heard about bitcoin from curtis yarvin.
mircea_popescu: <trinque> asciilifeform: is that where I protest the patriarchy by wearing a skirt? << it's a very specific locus to east european "anticomunism" of the contemptible kind.
mircea_popescu: not so unlike all the people who were planning to kill hitler, but never got around to it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand, nothing in nature comes without a cost. flying bugs are not by this fact more fit than worms. even if flying is kinda cool.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently that's working, at least to some degree, if people seriously consider him an influence on anything.
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mircea_popescu: like "In fact, what Power really means is that a government "cannot survive indefinitely" if it defies the wishes of the international community. Ie, of, well - Power. Here we have the ultimate cause of Rhodesia's destruction. I believe this is a clear and undisputed fact."
decimation: yeah, if anything his strongest indictments are against usg's foreign policy 'complex'
mircea_popescu: Todd, basically, was the Universalist to end all Universalists.
mircea_popescu: so i write an article with a cultural grounding introduction referencing newman and proceed to the historical discussion, some guy writes (a decade prior) an article using tacitus in thesame function and casually mentioning garfield todd
mircea_popescu: one'd thing there is some room for personal taste in praxis and stylistics already
decimation: well, as yarvin himself wrote, "he truth, being true, is accessible to all - though not all will get it all."
mircea_popescu: the telegraph obligingly deleted the linked reference to how the senator's daughter was raped by the praetorian guards, so now there's no reference.
mircea_popescu: "What would Tacitus make of this? Frankly, I'm not sure he could even process it." << hot damned...
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mircea_popescu: i think tacitus lived in a marble tub his entire life, in a museum in illyricum.
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, what you describe is roughly what attracted me to #b-a
mircea_popescu: "the battle between missionaries and settlers, which ended of course in the victory of the former, was the great conflict of colonialism." << this is broadly coirrect. in the us, decolonialization took the form of "dry states", the missionaries fought against settlers brandied as "the bar lobby" there.
mircea_popescu: (and yes, i fundamentally do not like the guy because he reads exactly like andrei plesu, gabriel liiceanu or an entire smattering of entirely identical superficially "cultured", inept and impotent romanian "intellectuals" of the "Resistence throguh culture" brand).
decimation: asciilifeform: I kinda arrived at this thesis from a theological perspective earlier, which is also why moldbug appealed
mircea_popescu: i remember reading that at some point and not being impressed. prolly the log has my expletives, ima look.
mircea_popescu: did you read the one about the german/romanian nobel prize woman debate ?
mircea_popescu: it's not cowardice per se, even though the drill sargeant thinks so. and the opposite view is not "deliberate stupidity"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well it was here site:trilema.com herta muller
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mircea_popescu: but meanwhile it got beleeted. because press, ofcourse.
mircea_popescu: and this was obviously not acceptable, being how inept as he may be, and a fraud as he may be, nevertheless he is the palatial "scientist"
jurov runs crying to mircea_popsecu "i broke eulora again and chetty isn't around!!!"
mircea_popescu: i'm not gonna run it up myself because she was instrumented to test i dun recall what and i fear messing it up.
jurov: yea, we'd miss chetty
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jurov: how you instrumented her?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform guy notably claims that he was resisting communism by not registering his typewriter.
jurov: how did you instrument chetty?
mircea_popescu: im sure the fed is resisting socialism by not reporting all it prints to washington
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 23:17:19; asciilifeform: but no, he wants to use what the gods gave him.
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, imagine that you were a 'closet dissenter' working for the fed. the most 'reform' you could get away with would be symbolic at best
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in any case, i had to spend half my fucking life yelling at people that "the difference between stupid and smart is that stupid can't be smart, BUT SMART CAN BE STUPID. IF YOU'RE UNWILLING TO EVER BE STUPID YOUR SMART'S JUST ANOTHER FLAVOUR OF DUMB!1111"
decimation: but I would also note that 'come be an inside reformer' is also a usg recruitment trick
mircea_popescu: for how long would you personally be willing to run a chip on the breadboard ?
mircea_popescu: and no, stupid folks are perpetually asked to run smart on emulator, and they don't even have one.
mircea_popescu: hence "<mircea_popescu> yes well, the understandings of the crowd as to the justification of rules is made for the comprehension needs of the crowd, not for the expressive needs of the rules."
mircea_popescu: if intelligence is not an option, it is not intelligence.
mircea_popescu: just as long as he doesn't wiggle them into kicks to his shn
mircea_popescu: your type of intelligent person is not unlike the guard that shoots himself on the third day, because bored.
mircea_popescu: the difficulty's not in question. the difficulty of finding wet cunts biweekly for the rest of your life is even more burdensome
mircea_popescu: most people wouldn't hire girls what went to school for the longest time.
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2014 00:38:19; mircea_popescu: "This should be reason enough for anyone to avoid taking up cudgels on behalf of either."
mircea_popescu: yes, it is better to be smart and active than it is to be stupid and active.
decimation: only bothered if they manage to overpower your similiarly active immune system
mircea_popescu: which is in no part active because an intelligent being somewhere has failed to feed it crap for decades now
mircea_popescu: "Ian Smith could never have achieved any political prominence in prewar Britain, because his origins were decidedly middle-class": what, unlike Ramsay MacDonald, who was the bastard son of a farm servant, and twice PM?
mircea_popescu: it is excellent, on one hand because the man is supremely qualified - he is, no doubts about it, he who wrote romania's software, since the kingdom days - and because he actually lived it and saw it, and its context. top notch historical primary source.
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mircea_popescu: it was memory holed at the time, and not well known since.
cosmo: my what great service
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cosmo: is bitshares legit
cosmo: i like what they're doing but i'm not sure how their 'shares' or coins or whatever are minted/distributed