mircea_popescu is looking forward to the "help me pay my income tax with pennies!" kickstarter.
mircea_popescu: that'll so totally show it to the irs. not only they get paid, they get to pleasantly waste more time doing it!
kakobrekla: not really as they prolly have a coin counting machines.
mircea_popescu: anyway. i hadn't any idea such a thing as "British Board of Film Certification" existed. amusingly, i still don't. nice reddit name or w/e it was, facebook trademark.
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phf: pete_dushenski, i haven't followed the whole scene since the time when i had to research the question for a project, but it was apparently acquired by paypal in 2013. hxxp://techcrunch.com/2013/09/26/paypal-acquires-payments-gateway-braintree-for-800m-in-cash/
phf: heh, guy spent paypal money to start
http://osfund.co. two of the companies were trashed on that chem blog, ginkgo bioworks and emerald therapeutics.
mircea_popescu: come join me past the emerald river, in that lovely field where the only fate worse than failure
phf: "Human Longevity, Inc", "Planetary Resources"
phf: these bigend wannabees got trolled by w.gibson
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kakobrekla: and by interesting you mean brain melting
kakobrekla closes before all of it runs out of ears
mircea_popescu: yeah, i originally had suspension points before the interesting.
mircea_popescu: anyway fwiw i never saw that conveyance thingee, ever.
mircea_popescu: there's some rock band and whatnot. i guess there's just about 0 overlap between search results by now.
mircea_popescu: that's probably the most effectual anti-"seo" thing google came up with. leverage people's laziness, if it's easy for "expert" to claim success and for empoyer to "verify" it, everyone's happy.
mircea_popescu: "Power consumption: @full duty cycle : 45,000 Watts (all on). " wtf do they use 40kw for loads of 50kgs max ?!
mircea_popescu: who the fuck specifies one value to the decal and the other to three decimal points ?!
mircea_popescu: my penis is 12 inches long, fits vaginas up to 11.624 inches !
mircea_popescu: this notwithstanding, i did spend SOME time in the lab
mircea_popescu: the finest tolerance motors i know of are in the 0.0x% range of consumption.
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mircea_popescu: well, seeing how they were supposed to deliver in 2014, the more likely scenario is that this was someone's future kickstarter.
mircea_popescu: the cluj museum of geology's analytical balance, ftr, to be used with their 4.1 carat yellow diamond, is actually all mechanical. made in like, 1920.
mircea_popescu: anyway. i dun see how weighing past 3-4 digits is even meaningful in atmosphere.
mircea_popescu: in some ways she reminds me of indian candy. how's life treating ya Cristina_ ?
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BingoBoingo: So Dr. Oz did a segment about the "dark web" today and an image like this was part of the imagery describing the dangerous stuff going on there:
https://i.sli.mg/5mOHmZ.pngPNG Nothing about the drug trade, scams, hacking, killing for hire, etc. The real reason for the existence of the dark web is "bullying" and fat shaming."
BingoBoingo: Ah, that. I must have fucked up the copypasta
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mircea_popescu: must be great to inhabit reality-free world. as alf says, the commonplace, sane constraint of being economically +ev - isn't there.
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BingoBoingo: So qntra's down but there seems to be a law enforcement crackdown on the reddit clearnet markets. "btc is not the future anymore it's really becoming the only option."
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punkman: BingoBoingo: what's "major mg player"?
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davout: salut les assetophiles
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jurov: sorry it's scanned...asciilifeform what ocr do you use?
☟︎☟︎ jurov: tl;dr: it corrupted every civilization that touched it, back since crusades
davout: sugar is eval, better switch to cocaine amirite
jurov: i enjoyed the tidbit about coca-cola being a criminal organization since 120 y ago (as decreed by US judge, it got largely ignored)
davout: well, eval is also evil
jurov: and not diabetes, but psychical disorders and other problems are correlated with refined sugar/white flour/white rice intake
☟︎ jurov: dude has new age/yin/yang slant but most information is sourced
jurov: basically, capitalism is fueled by sugar addiction, instead of removing sugar we "invent" cures that can be sold - again this is known but to what degree and how long ago it started!
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adlai: ~10kya. agriculture lets the greedy algorithm compound upon itself
jurov: adlai read it. asians who ate brown rice were completely fine. until the "invention" of white rice
adlai: it's a rather inevitable progression, the only sure way to avoid it is to learn from those who didn't
jurov: it also got me sceptic about other addictives, like easy credit... we can avoid it individually, mirea can even have his hangings... but barring planetary catastrophe
jurov: the civilization will just get addicted to more and more stuff
☟︎ adlai: too much money, too much sucrose... so we blaze across the petri dish, gobbling up agar until we smack into plastic
jurov: and then invent expensive 'solutions' to side effects
jurov: i more deeply comprehended why mircea disdains "progress",it's eloquently explained there
☟︎ adlai: i'm not sure the thing being fueled here is capitalism. i want to say consumerism, but it seems more towards consumptionism, packaged and sold to the consumer as consumerism
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jurov: adlai it's the addiction that enables accumulation of capital and its use in business
☟︎ jurov: societies where wars are fought on honor instead of satisfying the cravings don't need it, also they scarcely need to manage "delayed consumption" so much
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kakobrekla: i have been using xylitol instead of the usual sugars lately and i am still kicking
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 10:55:29; jurov: and not diabetes, but psychical disorders and other problems are correlated with refined sugar/white flour/white rice intake
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 11:02:11; jurov: the civilization will just get addicted to more and more stuff
mircea_popescu: even if you're not a fan of the foundation of rome/end of thebes mythology, even if you don't particularly enjoy the jewish sodomah/gomorrah stories, what do you think would be the stable solution here ?
adlai: if satoshi cuts down an entire forest to print out leaflets, but nobody reads the whitepaper, did he still make sound money?
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assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 11:05:17; jurov: i more deeply comprehended why mircea disdains "progress",it's eloquently explained there
mircea_popescu: so now tell me a little more about ddos and basic bojums and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: the simple point of fact is that the kids are idiots. not some of them. all of them. the class arrives already thrown, and nobody can be arsed to put their foot down/
mircea_popescu: so they just hire the scum, and hope and pray. and hey, if the customers are displeased what ever the fuck, it's "best business practices", ie, "all the other shops intown are hiring from the same group of perambulating monkeys. you want these shoes or not ?"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform elemetary i was going to turn down his first babble.
mircea_popescu: <DianaComan> incidentally mircea_popescu is that Eulora poster available in some format that can be easily printed? guess it can't hurt to get some copies pinned around the uni campus here
assbot: Discover the University of Reading - study, live and socialise at one of the top 1% universities in the world – University of Reading ... (
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mircea_popescu: <lobbesbot> Title: Discover the University of Reading - study, live and socialise at one of the top 1% universities in the world University of Reading (at www.reading.ac.uk)
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> DianaComan have you met any of these brave young fellows populating reading ?
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> the only thing i'd pay them to do is slit their own throats.
mircea_popescu: <lobbesbot> Title: #Eulora log for Monday, 2015-11-09 (at logs.minigame.bz)
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> btw lobbes could it read the log line instead of the page title ?
mircea_popescu: <DianaComan> heh, I have some coming to me to figure out some Maths really - about 50% run after a few lessons complaining that it is too hard and I'm happy with that
☟︎ mircea_popescu: so, yeah. the herd has won through the age old tactic of "we'll just stick together". because you thought that unions and "collective acton" was good.
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 14:59:25; mircea_popescu: <DianaComan> heh, I have some coming to me to figure out some Maths really - about 50% run after a few lessons complaining that it is too hard and I'm happy with that
mircea_popescu: soon enough they unionize themselves out of class, then they show up for jobs and "force" the "evil capitalist" to you know, hire them to randi zuckerberg all over the office.
mircea_popescu: it's dumb-dumb : the phds pay the rents, the scum gets to keep the pretense going
mircea_popescu: exactly. so what happens next ? a) they show up for work and b) the only work they can do is star in movies, where unfortunate thirld worlders suffer the horrible fate of having their ancestral knowledge passed down at great expense that "white man good, you scum" married to the fact that deep down in his entrails he feels like this is a great thing!
mircea_popescu: their budget is < 500 bucks, which barely buys a bike.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, EVERYONE in argentina. non 100 bills carry a 5% discount here.
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punkman: can they seize leased car?
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punkman: "We dont receive any answer so we have temp. shutdown the VPS. The VPS would be unblocked after the wrong Review is deleted."
punkman: let's see if they ask you take log down
mircea_popescu: is that i actually make money with these stupid shits.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why this would be a discovery or anythning. this is the business.
mircea_popescu: "this shoe shop just resells shoes from various shoe outlets"
punkman: could also read as "they pretend they have own hardware"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not anymore than "Someone somewhere actually runs hydro plant".
kakobrekla: if you dont controll the building , you dont control the server
mircea_popescu: they run the technical side, marketing has got to be wholesaled out.
mircea_popescu: punkman in practical terms ownership of capital goods is very messy. you think gm owns the equipment in gm plant ? as what, outright ? mno.
mircea_popescu: whether they bought their own box and colocated it, or rented a precolocated one from dc is a very fine point.
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mircea_popescu: for one thing, most everyone works with a list of dc approved suppliers anyway.
mircea_popescu: you're looking at about 1.5bn investment to make a competitive one.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ANYTHING would be proof that. anything. just as long as done by human.
kakobrekla: its like having money in the bank? is it your bank? no? its not your money.
mircea_popescu: this is very good, patrimonially. the drawback however is, it's very bad, sartorially.
mircea_popescu: that's the bitch here. there is no closed form solution.
mircea_popescu: the very thing of being a merchant is, that you enter into deals.
mircea_popescu: that's how commerce works. unavoidably, and to great benefit.
mircea_popescu: what, you think the redskins got exterminated because people hated niggers ?
adlai thought platonic circles fucked abbottic lines
mircea_popescu: you think i'm speaking of westardian genocide + mass rape cause overactive imagination ?
punkman: speaking of boats, "Prices to move a 40-foot container from Rotterdam to Shanghai drop to $300"
mircea_popescu: and then it will be 200, and then 100, and then you simply won't be able to get a container there. at all.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: believe it or not there still is some west tecvh they've not fully disassembled yet.
BingoBoingo: <punkman> BingoBoingo: what's "major mg player"? << A "MoneyGram" agent
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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> so now tell me a little more about ddos and basic bojums and whatnot. << Fuck there isn't even a business of datacenter
pete_dushenski: "officer, those bad people put CHILDREN in their car's TRUNK!"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and understand, we're not even talking "server" aka 10 bux a month. or "cheap vps". or even dedicated. we're talking guy who walks in, orders 3 boxes, pays cash. and there they sit babbling.
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 10:52:57; jurov: sorry it's scanned...asciilifeform what ocr do you use?
pete_dushenski: 'The seat is only suitable for children greater than 37 inches tall, weighing between 35 and 77 pounds'
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo and understand, we're not even talking "server" aka 10 bux a month. or "cheap vps". or even dedicated. we're talking guy who walks in, orders 3 boxes, pays cash. and there they sit babbling. << I know seriously what the fuck is these people's allergy to money
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 10:52:57; jurov: sorry it's scanned...asciilifeform what ocr do you use?
punkman: also, is there anything other than tesseract?
punkman: asciilifeform: even if not for reading, still handy for grepping
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 15:24:00; asciilifeform: for some reason i am reminded of 'farmer's market' sc4mz0rz who load up on monsanto garbage at the big box shop and then resell 'organic tomatoez!!111' to chumpers
punkman: pete_dushenski: not same profits to be made around here, but people do try to pass of shitty imports as local produce
mircea_popescu: ok so. the story, after what was it, 4 days downtime, once the dude finally came back, is, and i quote, "ok I fixed it. give it about 20 minutes". whereupon at my inquiry trhat what was wrong wit hit ?! the response came that "it was turned off for some reason".
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, i could confirm the story that there've been a bunch of stolen servers all through ukr / poland / baltics, "opperation
kakobrekla gets meat, eggs, many fruits and most veggies straight from source
kakobrekla: could also get milk but i dont use it that much.
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: same here, save milk, for which the raw unpasteurised variety is de facto illegal here
kakobrekla: which reminds me, i might get some to try to make kefir at home
pete_dushenski sat in on 'public health' court hearing re: raw milk consumption off 'farm land'
kakobrekla: i used to get invited to slaughtering, attended once.
pete_dushenski: some german priestish dude defending the 'rights' of some moo-eyed folks who at the time i took for unrepentant hippies
pete_dushenski: government denied 'rights' in the end. raw milk cannot be taken off of farm it was produced
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform get a load of this : boxen weren't rebooted.
mircea_popescu has accidentally kefir, throuygh leaving the milk out overnight. it turned, was quite good.
kakobrekla: thats just sour milk, which is great, but for kefir you need them grains.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, whatg, someone is good enough to make it appear continuous while at the same time inept enough to give 4 days' worth of gestapo click tone ?
mircea_popescu: "This cost-benefit analysis doesn't end at successful exploitation. According to Snowden, the TAO—that’s Tailored Access Operations—operators running the FOXACID system have a detailed flowchart, with tons of rules about when to stop. If something doesn't work, stop. If they detect a PSP, a personal security product, stop. If anything goes weird, stop. This is how the NSA avoids detection, and also how it takes m
mircea_popescu: id-level computer operators and turn them into what they call "cyberwarriors." It's not that they're skilled hackers, it's that the procedures do the work for them."
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mircea_popescu: the difference being that nsa has nothing worth doing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform english words don'\t denote anymore. they aspire.
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 13:06:00; jurov: adlai it's the addiction that enables accumulation of capital and its use in business
mircea_popescu: specifically, that there are two kids of people : the addicts, who aren't people, and the actual people.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: or in the words of the old guard sicilians, "sell the dope to the niggers, they're animals anyway"
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 15:35:04; mircea_popescu: and then it will be 200, and then 100, and then you simply won't be able to get a container there. at all.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: It's alright at 90 you'll start forgetting again
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 17:19:54; thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: Contravex got Circle of Life stuck in my head.
mircea_popescu: are you complaining about your own blog to yourself ?!
pete_dushenski: 22. but that was on old 'car blog' for the first 5-6 years.
BingoBoingo: Ah, I though pete_dushenski was going to make me feel really old there.
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pete_dushenski: "It’s an alpha-male trick—put someone off-balance, flatter them and bust their chops at the same time. A few minutes later, he was grabbing control of the interview with measured responses, knowing that he didn’t have to perform without cameras or podcast equipment. And so he took his time. And it worked. I mean, how do you interrupt the most powerful man on earth? It felt like the way Federer repeatedly j
pete_dushenski: umped Novak Djokovic’s second serve in the 2015 U.S. Open Final—a savvy trick to disrupt someone’s flow, a seemingly harmless way to gain an edge. It’s what the great competitors do."
mircea_popescu: either that or "chosen nation" emerges, butchers pharaoh.
jurov: look what happened to jews or anyone when they touched sugar
jurov: that's the whole point
jurov: they may have butchered, but quickly succumbed to same
BingoBoingo: <jurov> look what happened to jews or anyone when they touched sugar << They heard there was honey over there, went native and chased it
BingoBoingo: This is why some Jewish groups support the whole SJW/SEW thing, because they believe that in his old age Moses transcended to the Mayo Gender and was healthy at all his sizes. Even his terminal one.
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pete_dushenski: the vast majority of jooz are seriously braindamaged. tikkun olam is the original papering over of differences between people. as if looking the other way will finally allow the jooz to 'integrate' because standing out for your successfulness is awkward and shameworthy or something.
jurov: honey comes complete with other nutrients needed to burn it, unlike refined sugar. hence it does not cause such "hunger" for more
BingoBoingo: straight glucose from monsanto burns just fine. Marathon runners consume gelled satches of it which they litter their ritual grounds with.
jurov: rly, they do binge on it?
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BingoBoingo: Sugar+water+gelling agent+chemical flavor also from monsanto
jurov: so, marathon runner during race is fine example of median modern homo sapiens. oooookay
BingoBoingo: Well, seriously look at all they work they do to justify their addiction
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: to the very first tangent out of circular egypt, presumably
BingoBoingo: They are just in denial and keep justifying their addict brain to themselves
punkman: nothing wrong with a bit of sugar. if you are going to binge on sugar, you will also binge on honey.
kakobrekla: jurov honey still gets converted into fat it you dont burn it quickly
mircea_popescu: since when droning bureaucrat droning on because too petrified of shutting up is "powerful" in any sense ?
mircea_popescu: dear "the press" : no matter what pig lipstick you try to put on the current iteration of hruschev, he's still uncomfortable wearing shoes.
jurov: punkman, kakobkrekla honey contains multitude of vitamins and other stuff that helps to digest it
jurov: when you take sugar, body has to take it out of somewhere else
jurov: and damages itself and you feel hungry
punkman: jurov: what I don't put other food in my sugar? I just scoop it out the box?
jurov: yes, like in the morning
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> mircea_popescu: 'it' is the honey or the jews ? << the honey. feed it to infant, watch infant become really quiet./
kakobrekla: anyway, i recommend to anyone who is interested in the sugary topic, to look up xylitol
jurov: i don't say honey diet is not dangerous. just you don't feel so starved
kakobrekla: a sugar that is actually good for your teeth. yes, not a joke.
BingoBoingo: <kakobrekla> among other things. << Like dog/cat/generalcarnivore poison
jurov: well, some dentist recommend fluorine, too. which is rather suspicious.
kakobrekla: yes, xylitol wont spike your blood with sugar.
kakobrekla: but if all suger would be used for brain activity, this world would be a different place.
kakobrekla: most people eat every day but never think.
jurov: we have enzymes to convert misc stuff to glucose, but they need plenty of vitamines to work
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> most people eat every day but never think. << newton's 4th law of thermodumbnamycs.
jurov: if *they* aren't supplied, then it goes havoc
assbot: Logged on 25-08-2014 03:08:03; asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems
jurov: btw, another funny point from $book: lung cancer is correlated to... sugar in cigarettes
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jurov: if tobacco is dried slowly, it loses natural sugar and it's fine to smoke
mircea_popescu: next you're gonna say samuel clemens smoke ten cigars a day for seventy years and all it did was to preserve him
jurov: but obv, it's not dones lowly, and they even add sugar
jurov: whch burns nastily
mircea_popescu: well... the hopeful moral in there is that the man STREUGGLES to eat the damned mcflurries
trinque: remote host certainly did not close the deedbot connection...
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> most people eat every day but never think. << newton's 4th law of thermodumbnamycs. << "We thought . . ." "That's what the turkey thought! Think less and you'll be better off." (tm) (comrade solzhenitsyn)
pete_dushenski: conversation followed gulag prisoners voluntarily giving up tobacco, bacon, tea, sugar, money, etc to 'staff' in exchange for 'receipt', never to see it again
pete_dushenski: turkey also thought butcher was his friend. until thanksgiving came.
pete_dushenski: butcher fed turkey every day for years, reinforcing friendly sentiment
pete_dushenski checks hardbound illustrated hc anderson volume next to him
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trinque: mircea_popescu: could just be freenode being a pain. I notice that deedbot- will say on this end that "Remote host closed the connection" and on the deedbot- end that he looks like he was disconnected by the server.
mircea_popescu: imo the VERY best story of thanksgiving friends is made by pretty much the only thing worth the mention culturally to come out of the bit of romania currently stranded as an "independent state" because russians.
trinque: I've got a common lisp version of the bot baking which phf helped on, handles all this much better.
mircea_popescu: but generally their (planeta moldova) work should be pretty hysterical to a russian speaker with ro knowledge
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jurov: ‘‘Red mercury has a red color, and there is mercury that has the color of dark blood,’’ he said.
jurov: ‘‘And there is green mercury, which is used for sexual enhancement, and silver mercury is used for medical purposes. The most expensive type is called Blood of the Slaves, which is the darkest type. Magicians use it to summon jinni.’’
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jurov: yes. but this is so funny
jurov: "Identifying such cheats was easy, the smugglers said, because real red mercury is attracted to gold but repelled by garlic."
kakobrekla: irc is a pain. you would not believe what idiocies i had put in assbot to keep it as stable as it is.
jurov: it does everything
jurov: ‘‘It is not only about getting the red mercury,’’ he said. ‘‘The very small box needs special equipment to open it, and special reactors to work with it. If you open this box, a radius of eight kilometers around you will be destroyed.’’
kakobrekla: trinque is that lisp bot going to be decoupled?
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jurov: "Russians safeguarding the stock late in the Cold War cached tiny reservoirs of red mercury in sewing machines and radios bound for export" ahahahaha
pete_dushenski: even place large quantity of gold in land mines. hell, make the land mines ~entirely~ out of gold. not like the yellow stuff has any better uses.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 18-11-2015 18:02:54; ascii_field: pete_dushenski: supposedly isis supposedly released supposed photo of the thing a few hrs ago.
pete_dushenski: and not sure it's 'lawns' so much as golf courses that are sucking up cali's water.
trinque: kakobrekla: yep, same core + services approach
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> irc is a pain. you would not believe what idiocies i had put in assbot to keep it as stable as it is. << i have a vague idea.
pete_dushenski checks stats : there are 1`151 golf courses in the state of california
mircea_popescu: <jurov> "Russians safeguarding the stock late in the Cold War cached tiny reservoirs of red mercury in sewing machines and radios bound for export" ahahahaha <<< there is a very popular east european scam where "german collector" announces he is paying very high sums for "old german sewing machines".
pete_dushenski: each golf course in california use 400k - 800k gallons of fresh water per day
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> even place large quantity of gold in land mines. hell, make the land mines ~entirely~ out of gold. not like the yellow stuff has any better uses. <<< this is for sure how i'd be running the vault.
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pete_dushenski recalls something about 1 litre of fresh water per SINGLE ALMOND in california
mircea_popescu: and the 800k gallons figure is nonsense. 3.2 cubic meters of water srsly ? 150 acres is what, half a square km ? so you're supposedly doing 4 * 8 * 10^5 * 365 / .5 / 10^6 = 2336mm rainfall a year ?
jurov: why it's so unbelievable so much water can evaporate in cali?
jurov: 2 meters per year is nto so remarkable
BingoBoingo: Here we had one decimeter of rain over Monday and Tuesday
jurov: it's almost one meter/year here. and here's much cooler
mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess maybe ? strikes me as fucking insane, but then again i guess that's their point
phf: BingoBoingo: tend to involve more typically involve
funkenstein_: it's all gonna be fine in cali golfcourses because now we have schnurloser duschkopfen
punkman: wait, didn't mp use cubic meter of water per shower. 3 cubic meters of water for golf course sounds reasonable
phf: BingoBoingo: has responded to the mass shooting has responded to the mass shooting
adlai: also Holland vs Hollande
assbot: Zotamedu comments on A "Bitcoin intellectual" has some ideas on how to make it more popular, especially with women ... (
http://bit.ly/1XbzPkI )
BingoBoingo: adlai: fxd, though I shouldn't have. If he wanted attention paid to his name he should have opted out of government and identified as a public key.
punkman: "There are the things we need to work on to get more women into bitcoin and then the guys will just come as iron dust to a magnet... Porn and cam-shows are good to get some men but they are not enough to form relationships. After all we need a bitcoin women finding a bitcoin man, marry eachother and make a baby. That baby will be born in a bitcoin generation with bitcoin knowledge!"
punkman: gabriel_radio will impregnate for free
jurov: gotta ask pete and ben about their bitcoin generation
jurov: well this needs purpose-designed peripheral
mircea_popescu: Peshawar was known in Sanskrit as Puruṣapura (पुरूषपुर), literally meaning "city of men".
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shinohai: summary: reddit thinks mircea_popescu is little more than misogynist.
mircea_popescu: then again i guess it makes sense, reddit's collectively at that enchanted age when kid walks into bedroom unexpectedly, thinks dad's "beating the shit out of mom". because wut is fuck anyway.
punkman was interested in doing complicated gui recently, looked like slim pickings outside Qt
punkman: yes reading qt docs makes implement-everything-yourself-over-opengl attractive
punkman: I don't really care about native-looking
trinque: commonqt wasn't a terrible gasmask
punkman: I'd like to make some peculiar widgets
trinque: but yes, you're just feeling around inside C++ with lisp
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punkman: any good examples of apps made with mcclim?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: not yet, not likely soon.
trinque: nah I've got it all built over here
ben_vulpes: punkman: climacs sort of works. beirc is one of those 'look i wrote a thing in clim and oop now i'm working for someone else and have no time to maintain it'
☟︎ trinque: but can't speak for years ago
trinque: just whatever's in current gentoo for qt 4.8
trinque: legend has it that if you say climacs three times gabriel_laddel appears
phf: punkman: it's really experimental technology. ~giant~ multilevel spec, implemented by a handful of enthusiasts. only worthwhile if you're prepared to spend large fraction of your time on improving and debugging the gui code itself.
☟︎ punkman: phf, confirms my suspicions, nobody actually makes apps with it, just masturbation
ben_vulpes: you call it masturbation, i call it a dalliance with what might have been.
☟︎ phf: punkman: it's a free version of clim, which is a standard. if you're trying to release actual applications on top of climacs your better bet is to buy a lispworks license and use their clim implementation
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i, like the fool i am, retain hope of putting lispy gui crud places, and so would rather burn the time hacking through mcclim than running the symbolics vms.
punkman: "intel makes my c++ goes faaaast"
phf: asciilifeform: i enjoyed working with lispworks team in the past. i don't think it's proprietary in the same sence as msvs or such. you have to buy into a relationship, but once you have a contract with them, they are accommodating. you can ask them for source if you actually want to inspect it for lizard hitler traces and compile it yourself
phf: yeah, i'm leaning that way myself, but i'm not fully convinced yet. i'm for example trying to build sufficient knowledge of cmucl right now, to be able to take full responsibility for the behavior of my deployed system, and it's a ~slow process~. it's handy to have paid professionals assist you
phf: i wouldn't even attempt to replicate the feat with, say, gcc
phf: the internals are more similar then not, and to fully grok sbcl you have to know cmucl anyway.
phf: also there's less eyes on cmucl, i'm not at all convinced that the politics around sbcl are to my liking, where's cmucl is essentially abandonware. it generates code, it has a nice interpreter, the runtime is smaller, it already has treeshaker, it's got History, etc.
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phf: it's just impressions. i've been looking at a lot of high traction common lisp code (top quicklisp packages) and there's a lot of senseless turd polishing in the past few years. broken interfaces for the sake of "cleanliness", half baked code, needless macros, dependency hell etc. and then you look at the code and it's the same set of aggressive, google employed queergenders.
☟︎ ben_vulpes is seeing the rot in webtech takeover of cl
phf: (read the asdf3 code and ioup or whatever that package is called in your spare time and wheep)
ben_vulpes: i found a "webserver" recently whose instantiation blocked the REPL.
ben_vulpes has wandered into a 'temple', most of the gems are missing and the walls are covered in graffiti
ben_vulpes: there is a local in the corner selling finely sculpted figurines of knuth that appear to be made of poop
phf: oh, that's coconuts, but you still don't want to touch them, since the sanitation no longer works
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2015 04:43:54; mircea_popescu: anyway, you know those stories about how rich guy heard the paupers / shoeshine boys discuss stocks and bailed ?
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phf: yeah, can pick up any code from cmu's ai repository and run on modern cl unchanged
phf: well, in that respect cmucl is a decent litmus test. every single package that fails to load from quicklisp (named-readtables is the recent offender) turns out to be a turd on a closer inspection
trinque: whaack: what do you say you get a bouncer or set your client to not autojoin if you're going to come and go often?
whaack: trinque: apologies didn't realize I was spamming. I'll fix my settings.
jurov: something like that happened when i tried it to connect to 0.11
phf: i think maybe it's worthwhile to patch the logger so it doesn't report until the client actually does a read/write. if you do a port scan on yourself, will have same effect
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shinohai: asciilifeform: mine kept connecting/disconnecting all night finally shut it down
punkman: "Should you find yourself in a chronically-leaking boat, energy devoted to changing vessels is likely to be more productive than energy devoted to patching leaks."
shinohai: I have only tried connecting to listed nodes on the wiki ... was connecting to mp's node before that Ukranian bs
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trinque: gabriel_laddel: good afternoon
phf: gabriel_laddel: you should make a bunch of cool masamune screenshots :)
gabriel_laddel: phf: sort of related - I put together a new McCLIM website with fancy screenshots
gabriel_laddel: trinque: how goes the move-in? I saw that you're still living with family?
phf: it needs more "totally not staged doing serious bidness" shots
trinque: yeah taking it easy, haven't seen them in about two years; I'm in no rush
gabriel_laddel: in other masamune news - I'm working on automating the entire build right now.
trinque: gabriel_laddel: I've been making excellent use of conkeror for a while now
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trinque: nah, I'm not convinced I'd gain anything from that
trinque: but then, if you already have it's not as though I wouldn't look at it
gabriel_laddel: I sunk a lot of time into it (and got it working) only to realize that I don't want to javascript no matter how s-expressiony it is.
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: lol, I've put off learning ternary specifically so I don't end as one of those "homeless math people".
ben_vulpes: subject of newtardation, is smartparens vile or am i doing it wrong?
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: I used to use parenscript, but cannot speak to smart parens.
gabriel_laddel: CLIMACS (ugh, needs a new name) has "structure editing" facilities, but I've not bound them yet.
trinque: ben_vulpes: I tend to swing like a monkey on the enclosing characters with evil's % and add/remove them myself
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you not use paredit?
BingoBoingo: Three police officials have told the Associated Press that a woman who died in the police raid was Abaaoud's cousin. One said the woman, Hasna Aitboulahcen, is believed to have detonated a suicide vest Wednesday in the building after a brief conversation with police officers.
BingoBoingo: The official confirmed an audio recording, punctuated by gunshots, in which an officer asks: "Where is your boyfriend?" and she responds angrily: "He's not my boyfriend!" Then loud bangs are heard.
gabriel_laddel: !s the translator did not miss them, they were not there
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: I said "parenscript" earlier and meant "paredit". Time for coffee.
gabriel_laddel: adlai: imagine for a moment that you're writing a program which abstracts over a lab instrument's controls and does a visualization of the information it reads. The requirement is that people who use it will be intelligent, but not necessarily programmers.
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: They'll need to "export" the data to .csv, in a button press have an email drafted for them with the attached file using data selected using a slider etc
gabriel_laddel: adlai: if you think computer graphics are in anyway useful -> CLIM. Else, have fun trying to map the notion of a "presentation" to emacs text (see the magit and org-mode sources).
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assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 19:39:55; asciilifeform: if you want anything like native-looking gui, it's qt with gasmask, or nothing at all
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 19:44:35; asciilifeform: may as well go in the opposite direction, embed, e.g., 'tinyscheme', in a cpp turd.
mircea_popescu: i don't mean hobbist projects, owned and managed by the v ery enthusiast in question. i mean shops. with management
mircea_popescu: which is why pre-ba, all people i knew that knew what lisp was knew it was "oh, scripting language. pretty nifty."
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mircea_popescu: because check it out, once it needed to open up an interface autocad did exactly what gimp did.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform odd that the idiot horde can keep SOME things frozen in time.
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 19:47:01; ben_vulpes: punkman: climacs sort of works. beirc is one of those 'look i wrote a thing in clim and oop now i'm working for someone else and have no time to maintain it'
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 19:49:28; phf: punkman: it's really experimental technology. ~giant~ multilevel spec, implemented by a handful of enthusiasts. only worthwhile if you're prepared to spend large fraction of your time on improving and debugging the gui code itself.
mircea_popescu: random lulz : sorana (almost spoken as sore-anna) is a perfectly legit ro name.
mircea_popescu: inexplicably, not really popular as working girl working name. for some reason.
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 19:50:00; asciilifeform: 'turd'
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 19:51:15; ben_vulpes: you call it masturbation, i call it a dalliance with what might have been.
mircea_popescu: " and then you look at the code and it's the same set of aggressive, google employed queergenders." << there's more than one ways to go about fucking over the competition.
mircea_popescu: i suspect the google hiring of turds a la hearn and a whole raft of others to be specifically intetional.
mircea_popescu: they usually faint and lose any memories from the past hour.
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 20:15:45; asciilifeform: for n00bz: it is an actual standard. as in, it will be possible to run code written in 1985 in 2085, should something like a computer still exist, if it adhered to the standard.
trinque will forever imagine soviets riding a vacuum cleaner into space
trinque: one name good enough for all glorious soviet product
mircea_popescu: now you know what populared my imagination coupla decades ago.
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phf: multilevel as in specs out from framebuffer up, rather then single slice, which is what x11 widget libraries are. clim is more like framebuffer+x11+xlib+qt+"a kind of application"
gribble: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
gribble: of-the-vibrator-from-cleopatras-angry-bees-to-steam-powered-dildos>
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 20:49:39; asciilifeform: shinohai: thing is, the protocol has neither crypto nor authentication (and the former is meaningless without the latter) and so neither you nor i have the foggiest notion of what we ACTUALLY connect to. ever.
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trinque: browser <- standardized to hell and back
mircea_popescu: once it becomes the c, your flimsy "federalist papers" won't protect you any more than yes, what trinque said.
mircea_popescu: this is the substance of the misunderstanding. you imagine that if you take a picture of a pile of objects, you now have a SPECIAL pile of objects, that does other things.
mircea_popescu: it is also how idiot brits/everyone sunk the entire culture of the west after the war :
mircea_popescu: they took a snapshot of the way educating the young worked, imagined that it's held in place by forces from mythology, and proceeded to "give kids a say"
mircea_popescu: because clearly this is a good thing, not like they'll now be more powerful than whatever force is "opressing" them into education.
mircea_popescu: next thing you know teaching hasn't happened in 2o years. wow of wow.
mircea_popescu: it's as if he reads his own text with a different part of the brain.
mircea_popescu: so we go into this room, where there's all sorts of furniture.
mircea_popescu: you snap out your camera, and take a picture of some objects in this room.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, if i lean on the pile just the right way, whether you took the picture or not, they will fall down.
mircea_popescu: this happens irrespective of whether they ALSO fell down in your picture or not.
mircea_popescu off to ammend the rule, 0 , 1, infitnity MINUS ONE, infinity.
mircea_popescu: when mircea_popescu burned a koran, bin laden's koran also burned.
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mircea_popescu: why THE FUCK do you suppose they throw a fit ? "because towelheads" ?
trinque: the koran is not some book; it's an arrangement of ideas in the world
trinque: I in point of fact cannot use common lisp in the same manner someone might've back whenever
trinque: the standard existing for whatever value of existing doesn't put a symbolics next to my desk
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's nothing wrong with taking pictures, as a memory aid.
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trinque: I'm reminded of the idea that whichever fighter jet is not just itself, but the vast complex which sustains it
mircea_popescu: trinque that's why i say "it's as if he reads his own text with a different part of the brain."
mircea_popescu: random arbitrary measure is irrelevant in this discussion.
mircea_popescu: maybe it's possible to paint it green. so what if it is.
mircea_popescu: in truth and honestly, humanity has produced one single great idea since the beginning,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im speaking of the thing. what were you speaking of ?
mircea_popescu: don't tell me we accidentallied into a public-private corssover where i was discussing public matters and you were recounting your sex life.
mircea_popescu: the problem is not what you call it, but the bizarre notion that there is a switch somewhere.
mircea_popescu: in the immortal words of that short, brunette scion of the wealthy dreyfuss fambly (hey, almost like the rothschilds, ok ?) "Ohh.. right. Cause if we're dating, what everyone saw was just a beautiful moment between two lovers."
mircea_popescu: yea, this is the thing with psychic defenses : they are not optional, but necessary.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, do not expect they operate IN THE WORLD!
trinque: aw come now, I go mad twice daily
mircea_popescu: anyway, asciilifeform, the objection is not to the "word problem" abstraction cast over the world. it's with the apparent expectation this does something to the world. that's all.
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assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 22:18:34; mircea_popescu: let bezos headhunt them and die, sort of logic.
BingoBoingo: <trinque> aw come now, I go mad twice daily << Gotta up the duration and intensity. If you aren't spending at least a week in an insane state you aren't doing it right
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ... << l0l, meta-google has the real people ? << Meta Google actually seems to exist
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shinohai: Shout out to btcdrak who was shilling for OP_HODL a few days back
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shinohai: I wasn't impressed or anything, just ftr
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 20:55:55; gabriel_laddel: I sunk a lot of time into it (and got it working) only to realize that I don't want to javascript no matter how s-expressiony it is.
btcdrak: 3 months after release of XT, there 1 block out of 1000 mined.
mircea_popescu: btcdrak next we're going to follow what the solidcoin guy says ? who's next, atlas ? taaki ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect the thing with js is like so : it has two eigenstates. js.1 is "well, kinda useful to do some tasks browsewr side". as exemplified by say the trilema text select thing. way cheaper to do that client side than server side. js.2 however is "deploy code you can update yourself". ie, no need to ask people to update it for you.
mircea_popescu: now, js.1 is how it's sold to users ; but js.2 is why it's appealing to business. and for a long time - really, as long as rsm seemed to have teeth - this appeared to them (understandably) as a required pontoon bridge to have, jic.
mircea_popescu: ironially, "programmers themselves" play exactly no part in all of this.
mircea_popescu: exactly. sort-of like trying to achieve military results by "asking the troops".
phf: seems like conversation goes back to tomb raiding for books thread. can go and write code according to hyperspec, or vhdl a lispmachine, or whatever, but from b-a perspective the symbolics world of professional men deliberately solving problems with their lisp repl does not exist outside of the log, is superseded by the log. ultimately it's pretty pointless to point at a handful of sources and specs and expect others to share your
phf: castle in the sky visions.
mircea_popescu: armies move because of the interplay of production and consumption. talk to the traders.
mircea_popescu: phf except people on a regular basis DO share others' castles in the sky. it's just that they don't happen to be the very castles people hold most dear.
mircea_popescu: (this, incidentally, is the aspirational 2nd eigen state for "art", as hoped-for by various [failed, necessarily] artistes throughout the ages.)
mircea_popescu: ironically, my foray into bitcoin was started by random guy on the internet [at the time hadn't used irc at all in decade +] insisting i move into his "GPG" castle.
mircea_popescu: possibly all the trouble since then entirely rests on mp's pathologically complex misunderstanding of what that original guy actually meant.\
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 20:59:26; asciilifeform: or richpoor
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 21:05:11; asciilifeform: 'In smartparens, when you input a pair-able character: the matching pair gets inserted, too, and point is positioned inside the pair:...' << FOR FUCKS SAKE WHY
mircea_popescu: and somewhere in the horse, you can hear a distance squeal.
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 21:26:05; gabriel_laddel: adlai: imagine for a moment that you're writing a program which abstracts over a lab instrument's controls and does a visualization of the information it reads. The requirement is that people who use it will be intelligent, but not necessarily programmers.
mircea_popescu: mostly because it had been dead so long it was stinking up the place.
mircea_popescu: the last time someone could be useful in a professional capacity but not a programmer was perhaps 1935 ?
mircea_popescu: this is like proposing to make a book for "intelligent people that aren't necessarily literate" cca 1215. orly ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42100 @ 0.00051693 = 21.7628 BTC [-] {3}