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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-11#1849540 << what exactly was this ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we do not currently know, but BingoBoingo is in the cage as we speak with the uart probe.
mircea_popescu: ^ it's strictly impossible for the problem asciilifeform to be involved, seeing how i actually do handshake.
mircea_popescu: * Connected to ossasepia.com (161.0.121.198) port 80 (#0)
mircea_popescu: * Trying 161.0.121.198... connected
lobbes: I can also confirm I have not touched my /etc/conf.d
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-09-11 09:31 diana_coman: good morning; I can't seem to be able to connect to my rockchip anymore: http (ossasepia.com) gives 403 You don't have permission to access / on this server ; ssh refuses connection too; there was NO change as far as I know - I haven't touched it in quite a while and last time I connected everything worked fine; any idea what might be wrong there, BingoBoingo ?
a111: Logged on 2018-08-31 13:15 lobbes: so I have a question for the more experienced server operators out there: As of yesterday I found that I can no longer ssh into my rockchip (eggog: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/PKeSK/?raw=true)
lobbes: ftr, this was the -exact- issue I was having (403 errors on www, no ssh, but could ping fine. Whatever BingoBoingo did for me then worked like a charm though.) http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-9-11#427159 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-31#1846123 ☝︎☟︎
mod6: I can't say for mats' or douchebags, but I can attest that after they were reset, that I could log in successfully to each at least 1 time.
mod6: I had been using my rockchip all the time.
mod6: And further, I never touched my /etc/conf.d/net file either.
mircea_popescu: mod6 been a long time ?
mircea_popescu: (for completeness, the other cause of my distaste is very poor mastery of the formal aspects of the craft, like in gor fragment linked or all of literotica or everything david mamet ever wrote. just BAD , especially dialogue, but overall this impression that a lame and blind guy's fighting for his life in wordmud)
mod6: As far as my rockchip, it was mistakenly unplugged, and never worked after that.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-11 14:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i test'em before handing over to mod6 .
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-11#1849451 << asciilifeform handed them over to me to test they had been reset, and one could login via a temp password. This was done to douchebag's and mats' old rockchips. They both worked great after reset. I never touched the /etc/conf.d/net file. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: thus therefore, i expect "science fiction" to be EXACTLY science that very well could have been, but happens to isn't ; not conspiracy theorism.
mircea_popescu: whereas if it's particularly good quality, exposing an ACTUAL connection not before observed for fault of observation, that story actually becomes outright science.
mircea_popescu: , the "story" attempting the fusing blindly becomes "pulp fiction" in literature, or "conspiracy theory" in the common course of storytelling (yes, that's what people do when they talk -- they tell stories).
mircea_popescu: in short, stories work by fusing portions of reality not currently seen fused ; making out relationships where no relationship ordinarily exists. that's what a story is, always. but if the story aims to connect items that can not be connected, because they for some preexisting cause necessarily can't be found in the same place at the same time, or because they're categorically different kinds of items, or for any other reason
mircea_popescu: but if instead you proceed to pile on "man-cat-head-intermingler" on top of the nonsense world made of people and cats and a chair, the result is not unlike the bridge that jack built : first it was a hovel, then it got a latrine boolted to the side and now somebody put a length of train track sorta sideways and calls it "a tunnel".
mircea_popescu: IF you aim to write "science-" anything, you must therefore show finer understanding of the available categorization trees than "oh, people see dragons but cats see rats".
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 19:45 mircea_popescu: there is major difference between competition in software and competition in (any kind of) hardware. very narrow protein spaces in biofilms.
mircea_popescu: because the space of possibilities constrains, very much like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687609 ; once the quality of your going is "not people -- but cats" you're stuck writing a whimsical tale for 9 year old girls. because there, and there only, is the classification so gross as to go "people... cats..." ☝︎
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER! the degree and type and quality of that going, in or over irrespective, then sets the tone for the whole piece. necessarily and without possibility of escape.
mircea_popescu: necessarily, in order for literature to even exist, there must be a counter to this. an exception, a qualifying circumstance, what have you. say it is that class y doesn't share the property of class x. whether this is going over (people, yes, but CATS no) or going in (people, yes, except blonde virgin females with labia minora extending past and outside labia majora) it matters not.
mircea_popescu: so suppose as the premise that (all) people hallucinate "dragons" in so-and-so circumstances. there's nothing wrong with this whatsoever. all literature requires a premise ; the premise will be some thing not commonly seen. that's how it works, that's how it's supposed to work, it's not the fucking police blotter or an actuarial table, it's a story. no argument.
mircea_popescu: anywway, to get back to the literature discussion : this http://www.gutenberg.org/files/29614/29614-h/29614-h.htm item is as fine an example of a principal cause of my distate for the stuff -- a certain pompieristic approach to engineering.
asciilifeform brb, tea
asciilifeform: i'ma add it to the template, it will go on all new/reimaged boxen.
mircea_popescu: do me a favour and add #Do not change this if you're not entirely sure ; talk in #pizarro to make sure ; messing up the routing will cost you your reputation.
asciilifeform: the rk's are on own physical switch, so if one of them pulls the lan to ground, it will take out only rk cluster. but that's the only isolation available.
asciilifeform: as the iron currently stands, it is a hostel, not hotel, and folx must refrain from shitting in one another's beds.
asciilifeform: written after 1st time we had this thread.
mircea_popescu: anywhere a customer'd know ? such as a comment in the file itself ? such as on sales pagE ?
mircea_popescu: so basically what's the idea here, "do not edit /etc/conf.d/net without checking with #pizarro" ?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-18 11:42 ascii_lander: the only sensible policy is to proclaim, ahead of time, that any customer found monkeying with the lan , will be banished, with no refunds and no recourse;
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-18#1801952 << whole thrd ☝︎
asciilifeform: because there is, in effect, 1 shared wire.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-18 04:53 ben_vulpes: douchebag: pizarro board has serious reservations about your fucking up our honorsystem ip routing table and bringing dos/whatever hell down upon our little gated community, can i extract a commitment from you to not misbehave in my cab?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-18#1801533 << orig thread ☝︎
mircea_popescu is currently thinking this should be turned into a feature.
mircea_popescu: let me get this straight : if me and you have a rk, and you run your blog from there, and i overload your ip but only use port x which you do not use a) you'll never know and b) i have two ips now.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you know how to perma-fix this with a box that doesn't cost 50k or take up an entire rack (i.e. x86 box with 9000 nics) i'm all ears.
asciilifeform: l1 folx who do this, will be publicly shamed. new customer -- booted.
mircea_popescu: and of course this stands for whole space ? one could eg make foundation box inaccessible by renting rk ?
asciilifeform: but we'll find out the answer today.
asciilifeform: on the most recent occasion when i re-imaged rk ( actually 2 of'em ) i tested all 6.
mircea_popescu: but btw, a) still stands. i judge the odds of some user even touching conf.d ~0 and the odds of your having accidentally used the wrong values during a resetting ~100%.
asciilifeform: it won't reveal mac diddlers tho
asciilifeform: this is in the research conveyor
mircea_popescu: at the very least you could have a listener attached, report to you cases of double-ack
mircea_popescu: and you ~still~ don't see either the utility or the possibility of having a box do switching ?
asciilifeform: nope, current pizarro policy is that users are to refrain from interfering with others.
mircea_popescu: a large portion of why people are stuck paying that $$$ ; and i guess pizarro will too ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is only 'resolved' in the sense you are contemplating, on juniper and similar.
mircea_popescu: both the words "switch" and "router" actually originate from a time after this problem being resolved ;/ the switch will switch, and the router will route. you got a ... multiplexer ?
asciilifeform: they're distinguished by mac ( which incidentally a malicious user could easily reset to be whatever he wants ) so the problem is only solvable in the general case by a router which operates jacks individually
mircea_popescu: you're telling me you have some magical lan whereby the boxes aren't distinguished ?
mircea_popescu: whereby your switch does not forward packets coming from the wrong a ?
mircea_popescu: isn't this a ~1940s problem solved by ROUTES ?
mircea_popescu: so to understand this : box x talks to box y. box y is ambiguously defined, both box a and b send ack in response, box x can not proceed connecting ?
asciilifeform: rather like 2 people sitting on 1 telephone wire.
asciilifeform: you get nonsense on the other end.
asciilifeform: when you set static ip in box, it starts answering packets addressed there, elementarily.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-11 22:41 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo plox to sit down on somewhere other than dulap ip.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833633 << 1 occasion where this happened. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: this can only mean "by advertising that route" to me. what the fuck ?
asciilifeform: by sitting down on top of its ip.
mircea_popescu: i guess i'm not understranding the problem. how can box a make box b unreachable ?
asciilifeform: there is not a 'smart' switch in the rack, all packets travel down all wires.
asciilifeform: routes have 0 to do with it
mircea_popescu: nevermind entirely isolate ; why are they publishing their own routes ?
asciilifeform: i do not currently know of any practical means to entirely isolate the boxes on the lan.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i warned of this in the first days ( currently digging in log re exact line )
mircea_popescu: "Meeya Meefla", the only city to have preserved its name from the pre-atomic era: evidently Miami, Florida << aaahahaha! this is carrying on. where do all the orcs wanna go ? to meeya meefla, the city of moafle.
mircea_popescu: hanbot : " spacecraft, which are crewed by humans telepathically linked with cats to defend against the attacks of malevolent entities in space, which are perceived by the humans as dragons, and by the cats as gigantic rats".
mircea_popescu: so you're telling me douchebag could have taken out your entire plant if he had a clue ?
asciilifeform: and unfortunately it is the case that ips are static, and set in box, and accessible by user, this was in the log when the plant went online.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i test'em before handing over to mod6 . ☟︎
mircea_popescu: a) i am willing to bet you're the last one to have touched such. ; b) people can actually fuck up other's boxes' routing ?!
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG all pizarro rockchip customers ! if you modified your /etc/conf.d/net , in recent 2 weeks, plz say ! asciilifeform currently suspects that somebody munged theirs, and it may account for diana_coman's unreachable box, we may have to take the pilot plant down for maintenance and manually dig, if nobody says anyffing
mircea_popescu: let's compare and contrast 1960s cheap illustrations : the neo-post-impressionist school ( https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Galaxy_196210.jpg ) with the early-computerist-aesthetic (itself almost indistinguishable from "the votive america flying over some telegraph poles, drawn by qualified industrial draughtsman") : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Amazing_stories_196310.jpg
mircea_popescu: oh oh the atomsk guy!
diana_coman: anyway, to the point: I still find Linebarger interesting, perhaps for the exact reason that I can't yet actually place him fully anywhere
diana_coman: I think it's one of those where we take one another's eyes out for half a day, at the end of which it turns out we actually agreed on the main point all along
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/dialogurile-sclavelor-pe-marginea-lumii-lu-gor/ << meanwhile in unexpected english text from before the great switch.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman /me also answered the ancient debate meanwhile!
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in ancient trilemas, http://trilema.com/2011/planeta-pizdutelor/#comment-71237 << diana_coman recommends Cordwainer Smith (aka Linebarger) & a certain Vance as literate sf. anyone read these ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 17:15 zx2c4: mircea_popescu: oh. so. "the world doesnt care about the cool hackers on the internet, but only the assholes with prestigious positions." this has been a widely known complaint for a long time
mircea_popescu: what, i'm going to commission the transcription myself ? so what, imbeciles a la http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809349 can continue to pretendf like ANYTHING WHATSOEVER the fuck else exists ?! ☝︎
mircea_popescu: how the fuck can there exist so-and-so billion "people" and zero work comes out of them year in, year out ? what is this ?
mircea_popescu: nothing but neet-ing about and "do we still have to DO this" bla bla bla "the conversation" nonsense & sheer idiocy. nothing but. NOTHING BUT!
mircea_popescu: not even the lowliest of the lowliest fruit shall be picked up, year after year after year AFTER YEAR.
mircea_popescu: let's look at the matter : the actual manuscript has been maintained online by the british museum for half a decade by now. more. out of all these "creative" kanzures, exactly ZERO actually transcribed it and published on their own fucking worthless "online presence". ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-10 15:27 mircea_popescu: but i seriously do not see the need for a "web" to support this nonsense. they'd be much better served by a single pravda.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : oscar wilde's prison wailings (renamed "de profundis" by some buttfriend or other), uninteresting and unimportant as they may be, nevertheless were published in a bowdlerized version cca 1905, and in a proper version in 1960. THIS version is out of copyright in the world (which pointedly excludes the us) ; now go find it somewhere on teh http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-10#1849092 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: "I feel now that it is ridiculous to make accusations against the Jews, attributing them qualities and methods which are really much more typically English than Jewish"
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/three-rivers-approximately/ << Trilema - Three rivers. Approximately.