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a111: Logged on 2018-10-05 16:40 asciilifeform: diana_coman: there really aren't so many things that legitimately call for 'streams', i have nfi what the standard authors were thinking...
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-05#1858549 -> precisely why I kept scratching my head at encountering it as a sort of "preferred"/standard stuff in GNAT; honestly I think it was a ...fashion, everything all of a sudden had to be a stream at some point ☝︎
BingoBoingo: And remember how as the anglotards were growing up, all their schools "focused" on teaching cross cultural literacy
mircea_popescu: recall when they "all agreed" then all didn't do, and every anglotard was surprised at this outcome, and every sinoderp was surprised at the surprise ?
BingoBoingo: It boils down to speaking Chinese with English words
BingoBoingo: The Chinese pool operators agreeing to every different course of action during the Gavinassassinen fork wars, etc
mircea_popescu: dude ... i really like my articles. that one is EXACTLY why christianity is despicable.
mircea_popescu: "Sadly one can't mend a tear in the space-time continuum with needle and thread, and similarily one can't repair the fundamental immorality of christianity by superficial moralizing."
BingoBoingo: Anyways, Chinese language explains Avalon's Cartman moment when they began shipping ASICs among many other things
mircea_popescu: (this was true, at the time, btw.)
a111: Logged on 2012-08-13 03:08 mircea_popescu: mtgox from what i understand is losing money, but even so they prolly have more in cash.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2012-08-13#-323008 << ancient lulz in the process. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 17:24 mircea_popescu: cheap "cleverness" of the male virginarium aka monastery ; in same vein see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1499583
a111: Logged on 2016-07-08 14:37 mircea_popescu: fucking "take moar oestrogen" confucius & "wanna hear our inept teenage boyish oneupmanships" zeo-dan derps.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1499583 <-> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754340 apparently this is a thread that got meanwhile lost. but discussion was evidently pre mid 2016 ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-14 18:43 phf: people who can't clearly visualize a cause and effect graph trying to do science. dogen is laughing at them all the way from 13th century
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541918 << possibl thread ☝︎
mircea_popescu: whereby i protested specifically the idiotically adolescent onemanship, "oh, bla bla bla".
mircea_popescu: the cn one specifically. was discussion with phf, im trying to fish it out
asciilifeform: the ethertard 'dao' or the earlier cn one ?
mircea_popescu: hence all that undersexed boyish scrotum scent i was detecting, in eg "dao".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this may be ; but as far as i can see, chinese is 100% "insurance-against-future" by mass. specifically : if py yi shi ki comes to mean the bad, then it never meant that in the first place. but until it does -- it means!
mircea_popescu: consequently, i don't trust a single word they write down to mean anything in particular, exactly like "how do you know democrat is lying -- his lips are moving" and "why do you have no faith in the xtian church"
BingoBoingo: Gotta make sure you are an honored ancestor for passing down which black spice makes the rice taste better and which black spice kills the old folks as they drip spacekitten pig balls
mircea_popescu: the euros attempted a ~similar thing with http://trilema.com/2018/the-problem-with-christians/#selection-61.0-65.669 but the chinese had longer to do it.
asciilifeform: as i understand their language consists more or less wholesale of... l0g refs
asciilifeform: they achieved it from opposite end tho
mircea_popescu: the problem discussed in http://trilema.com/2018/democracy-sucks-the-two-thousand-four-hundred-and-change-years-old-version/#selection-297.0-297.795 the chinese have managed to bake ~into the language~.
asciilifeform: and, maddeningly, they seem to be aware of it, and prize it.
asciilifeform: ~very~ difficult to work with as a coherent record of anyffing. sorta an anti-l0gz.
mircea_popescu: yes, but i very much do not trust chinese. as a language i mean, and as a cultural process.
asciilifeform: but without time machine, hard to say if were opium , or combo, or something entirely else.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc the records use term 'black fragrance'. which at least later came to refer to subj.
mircea_popescu: chinese is fucking terrible at specificity of terms, between "she cow pig had kittens" and "alf put opium in his food" because opium is a spice and so is cardamom...
mircea_popescu: i don't know they were doing opium.
asciilifeform: ... whereas the 'dens' that europeans ended up seeing, were fulla folx who had problem standing up, much less fuck...
asciilifeform: i suspect there's something to the 'fractional distillation' hypothesis -- there's ample record of chinese emperors, officials, & their concubines, doing opium 'to amplify fuck', which as i understand is not compatible with morphinism as it is known to modern industrial dopeheads
asciilifeform: egyptians, iirc, we know to have eaten it.
mircea_popescu: nor does anyone. they azns are terrible at ancient record keeping.
asciilifeform: possibly. dunno how they were used tho.
mircea_popescu: yes, but the indian balls of black spice travelled before 3k bc.
asciilifeform: prolly not quite oldest, the sublimator pipe was a 17th c invention, and preceded by tobacco
mircea_popescu: and, for the record, this MAY be the oldest trade.
mircea_popescu: i dunno about the stupider angle. principal function of indian opium in chinese society was civilised (by their lights) old man gc.
asciilifeform: btw according to 1 source, the opium people were actually 'class-stratified' in that poorfucks smoked 'recycled' crud, containing moar morphine , and got stupider ( vs the elite, who took in 'prime' material, never heated previously ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: aha. there's a reason herbivores have mega-liver
mircea_popescu: well yes. it's a fucking plant. that's what they do.
asciilifeform: me neither, but apparently there's ~2dozen diff items in'ere.
mircea_popescu: entirely possiobly. i never cared enough about pot to break out the thin layer cromatographs and shit.
asciilifeform: i.e. different processes give diff combos of the orig vegetable's poisons, and result in diff effect
a111: Logged on 2018-10-03 19:52 asciilifeform: ( pharmacologically also interesting : old-school opium 'smokers' ( wasn't actually smoked, it was sublimated in a device resembling today's 'crack pipe', and pretty 'high tech' procedure, look at photo of the kit some time ) -- the moar active components of the vegetable -- morphine & relateds -- didn't make it out of the pipe bowl, broke down, so theoretically the chinese were actually doing a somewhat different dope than today's j
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu : re the pot extractors -- i wonder if an effect similar to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-03#1857757 is in play ☝︎
asciilifeform: i have nfi. can only hope she is better at answering pnoje than digesting log
mircea_popescu: but how hard is to break the mother mula conditioning, and always put hands on your tits under the shirt, rather than always try to remove same.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc moiety was an outpatient tho. perhaps will have better luck with current trainee.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> they import german stuff i've never seen outside of germany. << The one I've been using is a local product. Thoroughly composted and fluffy with ample perlite. Has a mariuana leaf on the bag even.
asciilifeform: moiety's thing
asciilifeform: btw i seem to recall that we had one of these, briefly
mircea_popescu: wires also used to be abc.
mircea_popescu: me too, but generally the assrape is in the details.
asciilifeform: ( seems to me to be a) doable b) quickly c) good , potentially , bang for the bux -- which is rare combo )
asciilifeform: i'ma dig up the reqd detail tonight.
mircea_popescu: alrighty well let's get details on this.
asciilifeform: looks like needed for it to work economically.
asciilifeform: is how they avoid being raped by orc telco charge
mircea_popescu: anyway, by all means, get an us toll free number, ima provide endpoint here later todayh.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: 800 phone -- the only headache i foresee is that it needs good 100%-uptimed net pipe
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was talking re potting soil.
asciilifeform: ah hm i thought mircea_popescu specifically wanted a usa #
mircea_popescu: here too.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re tollfree thing : i found several vendors who will forward voice to a voip thing 'anywhere on globe'. can get quotes if you like, tonight/earlytomorrow. do you have whom to pick it up ?
BingoBoingo: On the plus side if you want to do non-narcotic houseplants or balcony vegetables in Uruguay, the quality of potting soil here is extraordinary compared to the shit in old country
asciilifeform: moreover, i suspect that the fixation on, and abuse of, 'streams', really flows from the orig unix retardation where 'errything is a file' and otherwise ~0 useful abstractions available at all
a111: Logged on 2018-10-05 17:36 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-05#1858549 << trying to universalize incorrectly. i think the greater part of design problems come from people picking the wrong "universal" to hitch on to.
BingoBoingo: It's what would be alt-Republics seem to do
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the point is the cannabis forum wankers essentially invented their own Monsanto in the same way Linus and the men alone invented their own Microshit ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc ethanol extracts various impurities along with the desired oil; hence various liquid-gas exotica
a111: Logged on 2018-10-05 08:48 mircea_popescu: in other ideas : anyone wanna get a toll free us number & redirect it to here ? seems the better way to work that whole "or call xxx" angle.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-05 16:40 asciilifeform: diana_coman: there really aren't so many things that legitimately call for 'streams', i have nfi what the standard authors were thinking...
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-05#1858549 << trying to universalize incorrectly. i think the greater part of design problems come from people picking the wrong "universal" to hitch on to. ☝︎☟︎
BingoBoingo prolly ought to try compiling general tourist information/anthropology overview on the subject
mircea_popescu: strange notions of "essence" and "ousia" and what have you -- they're all euro reverberations of "middle earth got this perfume thing going!?!?!?!"
mircea_popescu: pretty much what got alchemy even started, iranians getting perfume extracted in dilute ethanol. TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED YEARS AGO
deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=42 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 10/02/2018
BingoBoingo: And yet... the folks keep rediscovering without reading
mircea_popescu: dude of course tincture works. it has worked for ~500 years.
BingoBoingo: To be fair the latest western US forum wank on the subject is butane extraction of active ingredients from the lowers, while... ethanol extraction of the same active ingredients is rumoured to work. That wank is still prolly a good 2 to 5 years out from Uruguay though
mircea_popescu: (i suspect the whole reason us culture is so gender-awkward, btw, is that sometime (in the 1880s ?) older kids told younger kids "how hard it is" and it stuck as part of the culture in that culture-less place.)
mircea_popescu: but yes, he's also correct. most of the "difficulty" is forum-wank, whereby the kids that can ride a bike tell the kids underage watching in amazement what incredible skill it takes to ride a bike.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'for smart arse, threaded cock will be found' eh.
mircea_popescu: bout three or four years after they started giving monsanto columbia's tax money for no reason.
asciilifeform: and hah, rumour is that somebody baked glyphosate-resistant coca
mircea_popescu: nobody's cancelled that, by the way. get out, you're wasting your life.
BingoBoingo: Where they end up slow cooking plants like deli rotisserie chicken and scream "Too Hard"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: From my understanding and interviews the more desirable cultivars are just as happy to live and grow. All the wank around them simply appears to be optimization problems.
asciilifeform: ( and that the ditch-growing variant dun do much when taken )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i was under impression that the 'cultured', oil-rich variant were tricker
BingoBoingo: Happily grows and lives full life anywhere from roadside ditches to red solo cups in basements
mircea_popescu: also very much what BingoBoingo says. coke's harder than wheat, weed's easier than thistle.
BingoBoingo: And somehow afficianados manage to still kill the plants