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asciilifeform: phf: serious folks are avoiding the serious problems because they CORRECTLY intuit that there is not a stable foundation on which to solve them.
asciilifeform: phf: i could live with this.
asciilifeform: phf: it is important to determine what subset of the problem is even worth solving.
asciilifeform: phf: there are fundamental problems, of playing well with platform's foundational ui
asciilifeform: phf: ah yes
gabriel_laddel: phf: glanced at it - why?
asciilifeform: phf: i dun recall anything franz released ever working properly with anything other than allegro
gabriel_laddel: phf: I did - it requires more work than it is worth atm
ben_vulpes: phf: oh yes
mircea_popescu: phf for the record, a large part of the problem (seen in http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493382 say) is the very unreflexive manner of these derps writing. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to phf 's thing : i frankly dun think rms/frf/etc are relevant here, not anymore than aunt molly's mole is relevant in a discussion of dermatology.
trinque: phf: I see software being "shared" in such a personal way that you should expect me to ask you directly whether I can give to my L1, whether I can post sauce on www, so on
trinque: phf: it's not WoT-tronic if I'm making decisions based on WoT and also this overarching religion about software
mircea_popescu: phf can you point to a spot where it's incoherent ?
mircea_popescu: phf i don't think stallman, for all his posturing, was muich in the philosophy department. seriously, ima have a special right to use code ? tell you what - have the inalienable freedom to use weapons, in any manner i deem fit, such as against the us president, and to use the penis, and plates of pasta, and napkin scribblings and anything else.
trinque: phf: my point above is that, if you asked me for sauce I'd provide it for reasons entirely other than philosophy
mircea_popescu: phf i'm game for a full analysis of them if you care to state any. the problem broadly is that they're nonsense as-found.
mircea_popescu: phf i don't see a problem with gpl per se, but i'm not going to enforce it myself.
asciilifeform: phf: i find myself agreeing with naggum - gpl was a weapon against microshit, and makes very little sense in any other context
mircea_popescu: phf it's aligned alright. which is how linus now has a "psychopatic sexual behaviours", as per http://qntra.net/2016/06/how-the-tor-project-pays-and-pays-cia-agents-from-their-usg-navy-coffers/#comment-62663
asciilifeform: phf: this works until accepting non-shit begins to resemble the process of extracting uranium from sea water
thestringpuller: phf: ah. stackoverflow development. That's a good phrase. devs tend to be lazy, so when something breaks and stackoverflow has a solution they put they put a bandaid over wounds that require stitches and eventually someone sane has to sit down and deturdify the mess.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in any case, while the value of "bright young fellow wants to learn boyer-moore through checking out phf's code" is there ; i'm not about to push you to publish phuctor code for some vague fetishist love of foss. which i don't have.
trinque: phf: how do I get prin1 (or something more sensible) to barf an sexp with a euro symbol in it?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-29 01:08 phf: "You can buy one or more Urbit stars for $256 - or, TODAY ONLY, only $205."
trinque: afaik. phf, if not, lemme know and I'll whip something up
trinque: gave psql access to phf to that end
asciilifeform: phf: ada.
ben_vulpes: phf: triggered
mircea_popescu: phf ikr! i lack the background and experience in management experience, is the problem.
trinque: phf: write something incomprehensible on a napkin and drop it in front of them as you leave
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 18:17 phf: you get a balmore workshop not because it's a conan thing to do, but because you're insane and need to paint astral vaginas whether or not there's market for it, and you can afford to pay $90/mo (sometimes late) for your apartment and $100/mo (mostly late) for your studio
mircea_popescu: phf actually this isn't a terribru idea, make shirts with the numbered tits.
mircea_popescu: phf is this for the people who bought battleships, islands, now they can buy asteroids, next alphabet letters...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you gonna photocopy the sa, for when phf has the tits svg'er ready ?
asciilifeform: phf: in usa they sometimes speak of 'porkbarreling' but it is imho not quite same thing.
asciilifeform: i looked for a good translation for ages phf
mircea_popescu: phf word!
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 03:47 phf: i have that cockli box by the way. i'm probably going to spin up an instance on it, but if anybody wants to attempt that task, feel free to take over
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1491796 <<< If this is actual need phf I would have no problem at all maintaining. ☝︎
gribble: mod6 was last seen in #trilema 7 hours, 28 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <mod6> phf: ah oh yeah.
mircea_popescu: phf anyway, it's a very reasonable way to waste one's life. it can live on a server(s), connect via chatbot, solicit payment which'll work once trinque gets it added to deedbot... it's an actual biznis.
mircea_popescu: phf and the third is that it absolutely should not make any concession to the finite nature of the universe. three billion trillion parameters ? OK!
mircea_popescu: phf there's two (or perhaps three) aspects here. one is, that it should first pass through the entire item (book or w/e), to adjust itself, and then go once more through it, on the basis of that, and then again. similar to how "page rank" works, once the result is stable it thinks it's done.
mircea_popescu: phf incidentally, how interested are you in the unholy art of probabilistic models ? it occurs to me that making a proper ocr would be a most respectable task, but not really for everyone.
mod6: phf: ah oh yeah.
mod6: phf: cockli?
mircea_popescu: phf it's probably the "fire retardant" retardation
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 21:06 phf: fwiw we're saying same thing, but a paper doesn't need to reveal some major secrets to be worthwhile, ~this~ particular paper takes a tired and ideologically aligned "it's them eggheads and their lisp that did it"
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 21:04 phf: asciilifeform: not at all 100% usg, that's why there was the west coast symbolics media lab, also government didn't stop buying, the contracts were bringing revenue well into the endof90s (i mean still do, but now it's life support peanuts)
mircea_popescu: phf real estate is the traditional siren song that sinks a certain type of empire builder head.
BingoBoingo: phf: Why not?
asciilifeform: phf: lel! was it full of Thugs?
asciilifeform: phf: that the market consisted ~100% of usg, and that it stopped buying, and the commitments smbx was locked into spending-wise remained, and bankrupted it - is not mega-seekrit.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 20:29 asciilifeform: from phf's link, commentz: '...it's nice that run down neighborhoods get a face lift, and I love craft beer and good food and coffee as much as the next guy (er, gal)-but what happened to the factories and the people that used to work in them? Their lives were largely destroyed by "free trade" and deindustrialization. We were once a producer society, and we were an economically and culturally healthier countr
asciilifeform: phf: smbx was a creature of megalomaniacal empire, like the su 'Рокот' rocket.
asciilifeform: phf: ancient
BingoBoingo: phf: Japanese were not in Robocop, but Robocop 3
asciilifeform: from phf's link, commentz: '...it's nice that run down neighborhoods get a face lift, and I love craft beer and good food and coffee as much as the next guy (er, gal)-but what happened to the factories and the people that used to work in them? Their lives were largely destroyed by "free trade" and deindustrialization. We were once a producer society, and we were an economically and culturally healthier country (and medically). Now we ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 18:17 phf: you get a balmore workshop not because it's a conan thing to do, but because you're insane and need to paint astral vaginas whether or not there's market for it, and you can afford to pay $90/mo (sometimes late) for your apartment and $100/mo (mostly late) for your studio
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 18:16 phf: once landlords or developers are involved the area has long been considered "interesting" by suburban types and "done" by the gentrification avant guard
mircea_popescu: phf so who did you get into a fight with then!
mircea_popescu: phf this is true.
mircea_popescu: well, slumlord phf buy the place for them, then charges them 100 a month for a dildo to sit on
mircea_popescu: phf this'd be that in reverse neh ?
mircea_popescu: phf well, depends if you're looking to monetize the scandal.
mircea_popescu: phf very good, i'd check it.
asciilifeform: phf: i've been seeing ads for this nonsense in d.c.
mircea_popescu: phf ok this sounds like a great racket actually.
mircea_popescu: phf and are mostly men.
mircea_popescu: phf maybe particular pufferfish may get away with it if small and exceptional.
asciilifeform: phf: if this were +ev, speculators would have done it.
mircea_popescu: phf this is a monopoly trade. if you're not in the right lawyer club you'll end up in the middle of a scandal.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 13:14 phf: *wanted to
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 13:13 phf: i'm not quite grokking how this was an unexpected outcome. prices drop because of smaller things and this was a massive price signal. from my naive perspective you have a bunch of people saying "eu sucks" and "britain has standalone economy" both assertions need to be explored and nobody particularly wants to explore them
BingoBoingo: phf: To remove the rust and leave a black oxide finish in its place.
mircea_popescu: phf nah, because a) must be "proper" ie "standard" and b) they already sold out the headcount to a private company
mircea_popescu: phf not how "democracy" etc works now is it. of course people make lists, they gotta be afraid. very, very afraid.
asciilifeform: phf is eager to become the next nanotube??
mircea_popescu: was phf traveling or something ?
asciilifeform: is it phf's isp or wut
a111: Logged on 2016-06-24 03:00 phf: this is roughly how the argument went in the connection machine book, but of course they didn't have access to large enough rams to make it shared
BingoBoingo: phf: Party is on pause. Can't let BTC look too much better than ether huffing, so Buttfunex has to have some butt fun
asciilifeform: phf: http://zx80.netai.net/grant/6502/Simple6502.html << to get you started... ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-24 02:40 phf: are there any 6502 computer designs where you have multiple of them sitting on same bus or talking to same memory
a111: Logged on 2016-06-24 02:19 phf: future tmsr infra http://66.media.tumblr.com/d69d8e552719e6bba89afe664bf486f7/tumblr_o7nrtnTazH1r49q4co1_500.jpg
asciilifeform: phf: i actually printed out the src and read in hammock, and barfed: it is full of regexp
a111: Logged on 2016-06-24 02:05 phf: i'm sure you've seen cl-6502, and i think there's a compiler from the same guy (or perhaps cl-6502 has a compiler too i don't quite remember)
mircea_popescu: phf i thought it was gonna be slotin and his beryllium hemisphere
mircea_popescu: phf more like keeping "unlikely" venue wide open
asciilifeform: phf: probably not most of it.
thestringpuller: phf: i'll have to write lisp to import it into a new sql db
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 18:59 phf: i find 1s eval delays unacceptable when i'm in the zone
asciilifeform: thx for fixing log, phf
asciilifeform: hi phf . log down??
gribble: phf was last seen in #trilema 3 hours, 17 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <phf> ascii, cyrillic, greek, accents
thestringpuller: ;;seen phf
asciilifeform: ;;later tell phf log is down ?
asciilifeform: phf: log 404?????????
mircea_popescu: hey, put koi to whatever equivalency in there while at it phf