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asciilifeform: usg still controls, de-facto, the factory, and can thus set price

asciilifeform: picture if usg tomorrow said 'we don't care, go buy a cannon if you want, like it's 1780 again'

decimation: asciilifeform: but I agree with your point. ultimately any resistance to usg is going to be economic

asciilifeform is an armchair general only, but doesn't see the military advantage of usg against subjects as consisting solely or even largely of superior small arms. what, rebel army won't break the law against modifying trigger of semi weapons to auto? rather, advantage of usg is same as in the time of hammurabi - soldiers are fed by the palace so they needn't 'waste' time on honest work; are resupplied so they needn't look for what

decimation: mircea_popescu: didn't you make the point about how the guns we are allowed to keep are of little threat to usg anyway?

decimation: I suspect the real reason that usg makes it difficult is because a suppressed small arm has real utility against usg

decimation: you can buy them in the us, if they are legal in your state and you submit many forms to usg

asciilifeform: one could make two or three mental leaps and suppose that his work is for getting ammo banned by usg quicker

mircea_popescu: <decimation> it's all a game of who can pass the liability to usg the most directly <<< quite.

decimation: it's all a game of who can pass the liability to usg the most directly

decimation: who nobody purchases except for usg

asciilifeform: PeterL: it's ugly as sin, and originally usg-promulgated, but that doesn't change the facts.

decimation: it's hard to say, because who can divine the intent of usg?

mircea_popescu: the usg essentially consists of this : "instead of doing anything, why not sit on your ass and ruminate the future ?"

asciilifeform: i see them as fellating usg actively, plain and simple

mircea_popescu: puts every single usg drone in a very uncomfortable position.

mircea_popescu: decimation nope. understand : when usg wants to impress me it's stuck prosecuting derps like shrem.

asciilifeform: very similar to what's used in usg dod

danielpbarron: i mean, USG or b-a in charge either way this all gets destroyed ultimately ; but i think i'd rather have b-a in charge if there is a choice

danielpbarron: the USG is surely wicked in that it enforces laws that are counter to The Bible

trinque: danielpbarron: I enjoy thinking of the usgov as the whore, though I've heard people argue thats the catholic church

decimation: everything usg does has a civil servant with an agenda behind it

asciilifeform: decimation: how many usg employees that were once dealing in official secrets would come up entirely clean if their belongings were searched ? as in, not even a 'post-it note'

asciilifeform: plenty of ppc in usg proprietary machinery

ben_vulpes: im not saying the *usg* has to hold the roads and rails.

ben_vulpes: so they baked "free usg thermorecal exams" into the protocol

mircea_popescu: Political collapse will be resisted, and the way it will be resisted is by starting as many wars as possible, to produce a vast backdrop of failure to serve as a rationale for all sorts of “emergency measures,” << i said this a number of times, but it bears repeating : if this happens every usg employee, past or present, hangs by his guts.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, others: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/financial-collapse-leads-to-war.html << on the subject of usg's habit of losing wars

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-03-2015#1038626 << here's the scoop on that : the usg agencies have finally gave up on Strategy of Pretense v2.0 and are moving to buy. Which explains why someone figured giving coinbase millions makes sense. ☝︎

gabriel_laddel: Perhaps I'm missing something, but isn't much of the discussion in this channel based on the assumption that usg is going to fall apart?

assbot: Logged on 20-02-2015 18:23:10; ascii_field: humans-in-the-loop is what -every single person nailed by usg so far- had in common.

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: it's either a usg-controlled semi-scam, or doomed to be suppressed

mircea_popescu: cazalla the "usg mpex" comment was chiefly because there's no conceivable need a webwallet operator could have for even 1mn.

thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: they're trying for a usg mpex. << More like Reddit MPEX

mircea_popescu: basically, they're trying for a usg mpex. which... hey, fine, have fun trying.

mircea_popescu: but back to the story : if your call on the y fellow is correct, he makes for an absoluely perfect model of "chemistry usg".

asciilifeform: the way al saw his situation, there are precisely two choices for him - usg and its apparatchiks, and the world of unfiltered and unfundable idiot alchemists, astrologers, 'phree energy' imbeciles, and other usenet denizens which he spent all of the '90s recreationally hunting for sport

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i read the foibles of al slightly differently. more as a failure to intellectually detach from usg

asciilifeform: for some reason the theft of several examples of these curios by usg from sunken submarine is still considered a deep secret in usa

asciilifeform: spam like a pro, usg.

asciilifeform: lol, virtually undisguised usg muppetronics

ben_vulpes: a) it's all usg "tin woman" crap

decimation: the purpose of the game would be to 'sink' hours of the otherwise idle usg employees

decimation: maybe someone should make a bitbet for the date of the appearance of an official usg 'game'

asciilifeform: gets small pension from usg, lives alone in tiny flat, eats little

asciilifeform: he gets usg pension.

asciilifeform: his 'thiel fellowship' came from usg.

asciilifeform: that's why the solid wall of bullshit built around the subject by usg

mircea_popescu: anyway, whatever would happen would come as a surprise to everyone, including in no particular order : a) the people running btc-usd exchanges ; b) you ; c) the friendly usg log reader delegate ; d) isabelle boring or w/e her name is ; etc

asciilifeform: aha see they are only interested in finding effect predicted by the usg-sponsored paper machine

asciilifeform: plus they churned inventory, the real immediate purpose of all usg .mil maneuvers

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you will notice the imperial mooks got utterly owned in that play << afaik usg accomplished their one non-negotiable thing in iraq - break the orcs into eternally-warring bantustans, 'vaccinate' against any possible emergence of a real sovereign

decimation: asciilifeform: not having an intelligence agency of my own, i regard it as an open question just how usg might behave should it ever begin to lose < My prediction is 'descent into regional civil war'

asciilifeform: what if, as in mircea_popescu's gedankenexperiment, usg were unable to resupply its men on schedule ?

asciilifeform: not having an intelligence agency of my own, i regard it as an open question just how usg might behave should it ever begin to lose

asciilifeform: pointing out that the voodoo will be the wunderwaffen of choice for a hypothetical 'berlin '45' usg, rather than wunderwaffen

gabriel_laddel: "why funded and by whom ?" << I really can't figure this out, it's like the relationship the USG club have with the Saudis. *mumble mumble* ... little boys... *mumble mumble*

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: translators... armenian << actually usg translator racket is - traditionally - ultra-lucrative. complete with own boom'n'bust cycles

mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> probably 'name own price' << yeah, right. usg would rather have google translated material by some crafty armenian at "pay grade" than pay what competent guy asks.

asciilifeform: incidentally, uzbek translator for usg must be a killer gig

assbot: Logged on 27-02-2015 01:24:58; asciilifeform: usg found two clinically certifiable imbeciles and now they have 'terrorists' in the dock

jurov: <asciilifeform> where's the stalingrad, damnit. << since usg is in hybrid warfare mostly with itself... no stalingrad possibly recognizable in that mess

asciilifeform: or say a shipment of petahash's worth of usg-commissioned miners sailing from taiwan ends up in hands of 'isis' because of a leaked key

asciilifeform: when the last usg fighter runs headlong into the last usg bomber, and the fireball takes out their last aerial tanker, we can say 'can't'

decimation: meanwhile actual usg can't even coordinate its own aircraft in its own airspace http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story/military/tech/2015/02/25/cherry-point-assumes-air-traffic-control-responsibilities/23948767/

asciilifeform: usg is running on two centuries of plunder and exuberant technowankery, from which, granted, only fumes remain in the tank

decimation: note that usg only gains superpowers when she's trying to conduct a worldwide coordinated deception

asciilifeform: but usg does

asciilifeform: to usg.

asciilifeform: essentially, something so utterly catastrophic to usg that it could not possibly be a hangout ☟︎

asciilifeform: what'd count as a -real, indisputable- usg leak? example: info leading to perma-pwn of a whole constellation (hell, why not all of them) of usg orbiting junk

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i would guess that the successful instances of actual merit wash, as opposed to usg being straight scammed, to be under 10%.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform uh, not what i meant. peron's usg is an usg exactly like obama's usg, right ?

asciilifeform: even usg, in the not too distant past, did this

asciilifeform: outside of usg - rules different, sure; foreigners invited to work their magic

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014#506836 << example of me vomiting at proof-of-anything. but it seems to me now that there were not one but two usg 'monasteries' where the concept was developed ☝︎

ascii_field: you and i, if we were to try to sell usg a divination rod, would get laughed out

ascii_field: but i'll note that the traditional interpretation of this story ('look how gullible is usg') is nonsense

ascii_field: BingoBoingo: http://cryptome.org/2015/02/pay-any-price-chapter-2.pdf << mega-lulz re: usg idiocy

decimation: re: chromium plating weapons parts < I suspect that usg would do it if it were actually cost effective

asciilifeform: a 'terrorist' for the purpose of this line of thought is anyone who is on track to being imprisoned by usg under charge of 'terrorism.'

asciilifeform: usg found two clinically certifiable imbeciles and now they have 'terrorists' in the dock ☟︎

assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 20:54:13; asciilifeform: merely suggesting that an official statement from usg has the same credibility as the testimony of a habitual mugger who's been in and out of jails since he was 8 y.o., given upon apprehension at 4am in an alley

asciilifeform accustomed to perverse usg use of word 'private' rather than the dictionary meaning

asciilifeform: merely suggesting that an official statement from usg has the same credibility as the testimony of a habitual mugger who's been in and out of jails since he was 8 y.o., given upon apprehension at 4am in an alley ☟︎

asciilifeform: punkman: much of what i call usg consists, on paper, of 'private' concerns

asciilifeform: because, possibly, found to have been planning some action to which there is no convenient, clean usg response.

asciilifeform: that is, someone who created problems for usg

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'reop' proggy appears to use usgoogle's crypto turdlib

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, guy who came up with USG's currrent rifle prototype did so during time when USia discovered the wonders of hallucinogenics

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as far as i understand, usg's refusal to adopt the correct solution, the gas piston, was pure nationalistic lunacy and little else

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it was clear to anyone who gives a fuck that usg would target ammunition, rather than small arms per se, when it 'gets serious' ☟︎

lobbes: pete_dushenski: yeah, I received an email from Dwolla the other day about them partnering with usg.. made me happy I never did any transactions with them.

mircea_popescu: "pull together" usg.

asciilifeform: l0l 'fantasy usg'

mircea_popescu: sure, we'll pull together : come swear fealty to me. bring me your daughters, let me name the head of each usg agency

decimation: 'one point of view is that usg should have all ur bits'

decimation: that's a good point, usg cannot simultaneously recognize another sovereign country and also say 'give legit rulers all ur bits'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cisco dead << still crown-blessed, usg supply alone could feed it sov. factory style till the bitter end

mircea_popescu: mike_c cisco pretty much imploded once it became clear they're working for the usg against their customers.