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asciilifeform: so it isn't 'a db', it's an api shim ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681859 << from my pov this proggy dun actually ~do~ anything other than being a skin on top of google's libs ☝︎
asciilifeform: '...a barebone Ubuntu operating system that runs under the Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL), which is mainly targeted at developers who don't want to build a dual-boot machine running both Windows 10 and the latest Ubuntu Linux release.' lol
a111: Logged on 2017-07-12 09:21 sina: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-08#1680863 << it kind of sounds like an erlang cluster? except I guess you are looking for a network of untrusted nodes while erlang cluster all nodes are trusted
a111: Logged on 2017-07-09 17:12 phf: arbitrarily sized numbers are a variable sized type. gotta figure out ~some~ way of packing them. you're essentially left with type tagged size variation (if a byte is 0, then next struct is 8byte, if a byte is 1, then next struct is 16byte), but at the end you still will end up falling back to "read this number to know how many bytes to read"
sina: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-09#1681116 << AFAIK there are only three methods of handling this, either read header bytes which specify how many bytes to read, or read until a newline-type char or read a fixed number of bytes. would be interested in discussing that further if others know of better ways to handle, it's an interesting problem. I guess reading a fix number of bytes is preferable. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-08 20:13 trinque: what it lacks (at least as part of the CLOS standard, afaik) is a standard for how one CLOS program shares objects and methods with another, whether on same box or across the network.
sina: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-08#1680863 << it kind of sounds like an erlang cluster? except I guess you are looking for a network of untrusted nodes while erlang cluster all nodes are trusted ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-05 15:50 phf: oh flag, lets you pass this stuff as a command line argument.. i guess this approach works too. i'm not sure why i can't just do message = string(dat) but i'm too lazy to figure it out
sina: https://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2017/07/11/meshcommander-firmware-web-application << "Starting with Intel AMT 11, you can now upload a web application into the firmware that will replace the built-in index.htm page. This is super useful because you can upload a fairly complete Intel AMT management console into the firmware and access it using a browser. "
mircea_popescu: but yes, the grand plan for june was "bitcoin prices drop while ethereum to the moon". it worked as well as the "liberation" of some town of a name i meanwhile forgot it was so long.
mircea_popescu: at this point 50-50 odds they'll manage to scare up the funds necessary to keep the charade going a little longer
a111: Logged on 2017-06-22 07:44 mircea_popescu: to satisfy http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672531 -- try and fuck with btc price, discover eth "price" was a joke all along.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo irl, the "exchanges" were used to try and pop the "bitcoin bubble" http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673315 ; as a result they're trading while insolvent (on the btc side). ☝︎
asciilifeform: and to this day afaik nobody has anything like a sybilproof way to glue 1024 unreliable chickens into a simulacrum of a pc
mircea_popescu: (note that in gypsy culture it is not a qualification for theft specifically. just independent operation, not being too dumb to live sorta thing. not a bad test for that, as it turns out.)
asciilifeform: ( usaschwitz inmate could live 100yrs without once seeing a live chicken )
mircea_popescu: amusingly -- the chicken stealer (ro gainar, each language that saw them has its own word) is the lowest level of gypsy male qualification. a sort of transient baccalaureat if you will. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: 'first, steal a chicken..'
asciilifeform: and during this, thought 'you could easily get folx installing 'virus' wholly voluntarily, if it eliminated this & other crapola in a silent-to-brass way'
mircea_popescu: none of this nonsense is necessary ; just let go of the notion that dumb kid / arabic speaker / whoever on a stick may touch a machine in his born days.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's two problems with the by-capital allocation. one is that various lusers (microsoft, govt offices, hospitals, etc) end up buying computers they can afford monetaerily, but can not afford intellectually. then it's all "antivirus companies" and "hackers" and their dumb, drunk-fucking mother on a stick.
mircea_popescu: anyway, let it be pointed out that by-capital allocation of computing power is both a) immensely, ridiculously ineffectual and b) not really practiced, not even by the "obviously right way" de facto proponents (usg)
asciilifeform: the ancient dream of the fungible cpu cycle keeps coming back. but sadly still - a dream
mircea_popescu: certainly not in fucking usd ; but moreover - at all. hardware, much like cunt, belongs to he who knows how to use it well, not to he who inherited a herd of sheep.
mircea_popescu: fact is : we will slowly and over the years migrate to a situation where control of hardware will not relate to any sort of "paying for it".
mod6: Anyway, I think this might be a bit off-topic from the original ; ``consider how to accept hardware donations''.
trinque: mircea_popescu: meant that turning the foundation into a tax man with income tax records seems wrong-headed
mod6: "com/deed/9ULZPc7yeZ9fQEA1aZ73H6mcv1s2C4gYFAbNTb5urovj ) as the sole and complete public contribution that may be required of him ; that such payment satisfies the total burden of taxation upon him, and no further payments may be required, in any form nor for any reason or under any title or pretense, by anyone ; that the satisfaction of this obligation is a moral requirement, and outside of the oppinion of
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 1000 unreliable whores still make a brothel.
trinque: it's a voluntary tax
mod6: Perhaps, something could be devised, but it'd be a bit complex. As such, someone could "donate a node" in lieu or some credit to their yearly taxation obligations, and to receive such credit we would need to have some basic requirements met. 1) The node is running trb. 2) It is "caught up". 3) Is available and connected for >95% of the time. 4) Can be independently checked/verified that it is up by some sor
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a poor indicator. ~nothing the usg does pays.
trinque: gladly, can call it a donation to the foundation for sure.
mod6: As far as production hardware, not sure how we could vet such an environment. But maybe I can just think on this a bit.
mod6: Perhaps for test hardware if they were in very good trust standing, they could send us keys to a host we could use. Not sure otherwise how we would receive such hardware.
mod6: It could be something along the lines of how I've envisioned the foundation mirrors. someone in L1 can start their own after a discussion with either of us. could be similar maybe.
mircea_popescu: mod6 incidentally, it occurs to me : it might be a good idea for the foundation to have some kind of policy whereby people interested can donate servers ? exactly like freenode, in theory, except they fuck it up so uttertly in practice it's not even funny.
asciilifeform: ( 'but there was a protected type!' alert reader will ask. the pill is the obvious one, i will reveal it later. )
asciilifeform: mod6 et al : in other noose, i have a working experimental build with No_Implicit_Conditionals, No_Implicit_Heap_Allocations, No_Implicit_Dynamic_Code, No_Secondary_Stack, No_Exception_Propagation, No_Tasking, No_Protected_Types, No_Delay, No_Allocators, No_Dispatch restrictions. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: is this a reference to the "lady of pain" ruler of sigil ?
asciilifeform: '... and the man who cannot use a crow like this, does not deserve to find one'
asciilifeform: a 'value of pi' needs a couplea dozen bits, at least
mircea_popescu: i suppose the state goes in what's a buffer.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for just about any statistical test ( other than von neumann in/out proportion ) you need a buffer.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, as a practical matter. i was just discussing the "must have buffer" theoretical point.
shinohai: I'm in a state of temporary retirement until market conditions improve.
asciilifeform: but rather tests a proposed test of entropy.
asciilifeform: so naturally it's moar 'a'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: b, as i understand, isn't even physically possible without a buffer
mircea_popescu: superficially sounds like a.
mircea_popescu: so which did you end up implementing, a or b ?
asciilifeform: i.e. a lamp whose brightness is proportional to how close (bits emitted from vonneumann filter per sec) / ( bits entering same, per sec) is to 1
shinohai: Would be a lulzy Qntra BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i actually considered something that is arguably a variant of your test, when designing FG,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand this isn't a matter of testing specified bitfields, but specified ~processes~
asciilifeform: ( statistical tests only reveal broken rng , but never a working one )
mircea_popescu: and in the process see also that ent is not a very good measurement tool.
asciilifeform: even moar outrageously, adding the 100 1s does not in fact 'turn it bad', the P of these 100 1s appearing in a uniform distrib is >0
mircea_popescu: the whole discussion is, given a stream of perfect entropy, how to construct known-degree-of-badness out of it.
mircea_popescu: a is also twice as strong, because obviously b will flip on average half the bits it sets. but is this ACTUALLY half ? ie, how do yo umeasure unrandomness ? b is much more strongly patterned than a.
mircea_popescu: as alf points out, a is "better" in the sense v-n debiaser kills b, if this is a better. unclear.
asciilifeform: the possibly paradoxical answer, afaik, is there does not actually exist such a thing as good entropy. only bad and worse.
asciilifeform: iirc the d00d who found the koch whitening lulzgem used a proggy that worked quite like 'barium enema'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is that, yes. but we're doiong this for instrumentation in teh lab not for any other purpose. it's a tracer for entropy, like the shit they make you swallow to see your stomach.
asciilifeform: incidentally if there's a vonneuman filter in the pipe, setting consecutive bits does 0
mircea_popescu: as in, balance it according to a calculation, rather than according t oa feeling.
mircea_popescu: in a sense. it has multiple utilities, it allows you to try and guess (numerically) whether for instance better entropy or more passes are useful for rabin miller
asciilifeform: so this's a 'meta' test of a given dh-style test ?
mircea_popescu: M' is now a "known low entropy bitfield". we know it to have degraded by 100/1Mb or w/e the case may be
mircea_popescu: produces a bit-addressable array of 1048576 bits from FG
mircea_popescu: produces a random number between 1 and 1048576
asciilifeform: what means 'flip a number of consecutive bits to 1' ?
asciilifeform: 'take a FG string... 100bits'
a111: Logged on 2017-07-10 19:50 mircea_popescu: which incidentally brings us to a very workable and very useful tmsr definition of entropy quality : take a FG string. flip a number of consecutive bits to 1. the result is your entropy quality, such as 100/1mb if you flipped 100 bits.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes here's a high pay grade question for you : of the two models of "controlled de-entropy" i spawned in a week, specifically a) count of randomly placed flipped bits, as in the discussion with you re that and b) string of randomly initiated, n bit long SET bits, as discussed in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-10#1681268 which does the bitcoin foundation regard as a better candidate for standardization as "the republic' ☝︎
mircea_popescu: this is not a sentence.
mircea_popescu: "As recently as earlier today, the Fake News empire turned idiot son Donald Junior's gullibility with respect to a phishing scheme1 into their latest headline of the day which they will use to sell loyal consumers of their fiction product on the "certain end" of the 8 year Trumpreich in spite of all the actual evidence running to the contrary of their narrative supported instead by a complete lack of evidence."
mircea_popescu: iof a stroke is wasted god gets quire irate
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/07/10/the-wallet-inspectors-promise-v-ico/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The Wallet Inspector’s Promise v.”ICO”
mod6: and gleaned a few things I didn't notice earlier.
mod6: i did solve a few of my own questions so far on it.
mircea_popescu: mod6 makes a by hand unrolling because why not :D
mod6: lol, im gonna need a bigger board.
mod6: ah, and there was a time when L was not part of the plan
a111: Logged on 2017-05-21 16:47 asciilifeform: because ALL ops take same time, so karatsuma, toom-cook, etc. cannot work because they fundamentally rely on breaking large x*y into a number of smaller a1*b1, a2*b2, ...
asciilifeform: ( only begins to +ev a considerable way above 8192b )
mircea_popescu: EIC did you figure out how to reg a key ?
asciilifeform: ( lessay you had to put one in a very... tight space. e.g. 'uci' payload... )
mircea_popescu: it should not take the average artist a year of labour to produce the optorsatron out of cheap lasers and stuff ~free in any collegiate lab, once he's stolen the unrolling and idea from log.
mircea_popescu: aka "you can not fix a computer by simply rebooting it without any idea what's going on" moonism
asciilifeform: probably an ada build and a handrolled asm, per cpu make, is best that can be had.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-04 15:06 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-04#1679054 << this is a fine approach. "here's the per spec impl, here's the optimized impl. you can verify they agree wrt results ; and you can trivially verify the former is spec-accurate."
asciilifeform: p ain't a 'code is the spec' crock-o-shit tho. up asciilifeform's sleeve, is an actual spec
asciilifeform: upstack, ffa wants to double as a 'how to rsa' 'b00k' , i.e. at every point tradeoff was made for clarity rather than speed.
mircea_popescu: yes, but cheaper by a factor
asciilifeform: in my mind's eye thing would be a 32kBit-arity alu...lol
asciilifeform: ( i dun know of any compelling practical reason to do this, outside of something like a hand-sewn gossipd packet filter in asm on bare iron, for max horsepower )
asciilifeform: phunphakt -- if you nail down, to a fixed bitness, the N-arity of the arithmetic, you can unroll all of the loops.
mircea_popescu: not even a bad idea