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mircea_popescu: a whole cacophopnic symphony of little john smiths. what am i to do with this large collection of hardy country folk running around with their ummims and thurims ? EVEN IF THEY DO FLY TO SPACE!
mircea_popescu: and that's a minor example. consider rothbard's utter failure to mean or matter, as sadly chronicled on trilema. yes, he's intellectually negligible, but the chief problem that renders him moot is the extreme poverty and ineptitude of his references! which is not his problem, but the 1st gen in shoes folks' problem, and the deep reason us can't and hasn't spoken in the forum of human thought.
mircea_popescu: (the measure for "industrial civ" here used is, the type of answer to the problem of "i need three times the force". if it's "hire three times the coolies/horses/etc then pre-ind civ ; if it's "build bigger machine" it's industrial civ ; if the question not even conceptualized as such then it's not a civ, like say africa/polynesia/other subhumans)
mircea_popescu: much like the russkis, what these other marginal orcs have to show for "their great empire" is a barely functional bezzle scheme. i don't even mean the financial part, intellectually speaking the whole us can be comfortably sat down in two lines' worth of "don't say nigger and state-god will provide", which is what, somehow different from "quote marx and wait for moscow" ?
a111: Logged on 2017-09-17 15:01 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715307 << didja sleep though the century when '1st gen in shoes' folx handed 'cultured' europe its arse on a platter, and then flew into space etc
mircea_popescu: but no, i don't think the item as described is useless. if you need a new key in less than a week / if your message lag is mostly this you've other problems to attend to.
asciilifeform: which means that even a minute-long modexp is theoretically fieldable ( you get ~day-long keygen, and minute-per-4096bits decrypt/encrypt, but this is livable, ancestors lived with much slower hand-cranked otp )
a111: Logged on 2017-07-10 19:33 asciilifeform: sooo a 4096b rsa key takes about a dozen modexp's, on avg, on gpg 1.4.10
asciilifeform: there are no tables in ffa, and an ffa with a table is pointless ( if you access leaklessly, by chugging whole table each time ( we had thread ) you wipe out the time saving. )
mircea_popescu: precalculating 4k mods of 4 to 8kb single-bit items is a pain in teh arse even in simple space terms, what, ima have 16MB worth of ram/disk dedicated to just this PER mod ?
asciilifeform: anyway this was not a sexy/exciting report, it is just to share what was the baseline ( saddest known algo )
mircea_popescu: yes, but as long as you do rsa, a ^ b mod m = either a ^ b or else, a ^ b - m. that's the complete story, there are no other cases. there's specifically no k * m parameter to be explored there.
asciilifeform: gotta nail down this difference, because it makes a difference ( in that you cannot exponentiate-and-then-modulus, universe ain't big enough , hence the invention of mod-exp )
asciilifeform: ( i don't own a box with 4096**4096 bits of memory, and neither does beelzebub )
mircea_popescu: so then! calculating a ^ b mod 2^4096 is 0.26s ; calculating a ^ b mod m is 51.3s. that it ?
asciilifeform: FZ_Exp does not calculate a^b, it calculates a^b modulo ffawidth. this is important difference.
asciilifeform: why do you insist on repeating a mathematically false summary ?
mircea_popescu: you will refuse to be useful how many times in a row ?
mircea_popescu: soooOOOOooooOOOO.... calculating a ^ b is 0.26s ; calculating a ^ b mod m is 51.3s.
asciilifeform: a ^ b mod 2**4096 , rather than a^b ( which our galaxy hasn't enough atoms to represent for 4096bit a and b )
mircea_popescu: sooo.... calculating a ^ b is 0.26s ; calculating a ^ b mod m is 51.3s.
mircea_popescu: so, calculating a ^ b is 0.26s ; calculating a ^ b mod m is 51.3s.
mircea_popescu: is it or is it not true a modular exponentiation in current gpg takes, on your chosen machine, 0.26 seconds.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so to try and extract actual reality from this : a ^ b mod m takes 0.26 seconds in koch writing ; same a^b mod m takes 51.3 on your box, notwithstanding a ^ b without any modding takes 1s ?
asciilifeform: ( a*b mod m refers to mod-exp, i thought this was clear )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715311 << i'm missing something here. did you compare a MULTIPLICATION (as your text actually said, a * b) with an exponentiation ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-17 11:38 mircea_popescu: in this sense, the perpetual "we don't deal with problems, we try to inflate them away" is a forced mistake of the socialist mind, brought about by its deffective tech stack. what the fuck else are they going to do, the only people to which "french culture" in its jimbo diderot reformulation appeals to are first generation in shoes functional illiterate tards.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715307 << didja sleep though the century when '1st gen in shoes' folx handed 'cultured' europe its arse on a platter, and then flew into space etc ☝︎☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-03 05:29 phf: my mom had one of those "papa escaped the purges by burning all paperwork but life got tough when they took our governess" piano teachers, who would lament about being forced to teach peasants and brown folk, not on racial grounds as much as "you have to have a bidet in your house for 3 generations, before you can touch a piano"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715304 << on one hand, idiot rabble uprising, sure, on other -- fr elite suffered from a fatal case of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-03#1611080 rot ☝︎☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: incidentally do i have to explain why a modexp op cannot be 'exp, and then take result and mod' ? or is it screamingly obvious .
a111: Logged on 2017-09-17 11:08 a111: Logged on 2017-09-12 21:32 mircea_popescu: and this is potentially recursive, in that if you have a 500 bit number with 300 ones in it, you do the mod for 500 terms which are all a power of 2, throw 200 away, keep the other 300 and add them.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715293 << ftr this is a description of egyptian div, a SINGLE mod operation. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-17 11:13 mircea_popescu: what this means in practice being that "the 4096 bit modulus of a 4096 bit number is obtained through at most one substraction op".
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715295 << this is screamingly wrong, a 4096bit modulus can be anything, incl. 1 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-17 11:07 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-16#1715247 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-16#1715243 are these to mean therefore that a mod computed on a 4096 bit int takes 50 seconds ?
mircea_popescu: in this sense, the perpetual "we don't deal with problems, we try to inflate them away" is a forced mistake of the socialist mind, brought about by its deffective tech stack. what the fuck else are they going to do, the only people to which "french culture" in its jimbo diderot reformulation appeals to are first generation in shoes functional illiterate tards. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: which is why it's always poor immigrants, and "3rd world" shitholes. cuz if you approximate a non-closed form solution by the number five, you get a certain set of perked ears, and they're going to always be in the back of the class.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-12 23:10 mircea_popescu: 1. if you actually want metal kbd, your choice of steel is probably ill advised. i'd try silver instead. heuristicallyt there's a reason gunsmiths and silversmiths were ~the same people i nthe early modern period ; moreover silver has better properties in the range sough.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-12 23:52 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1713184 << in ffaworld, a < or > or == comparison is not only a subtraction (O(N)) but another O(N) test for nullity (xor all the words together)
mircea_popescu: what this means in practice being that "the 4096 bit modulus of a 4096 bit number is obtained through at most one substraction op". ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-12 21:32 mircea_popescu: and this is potentially recursive, in that if you have a 500 bit number with 300 ones in it, you do the mod for 500 terms which are all a power of 2, throw 200 away, keep the other 300 and add them. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-16 15:31 asciilifeform: in other olds ( i dun think i posted this measurement ) the NAIVE modular exponentiator takes 51.3 seconds per 4096b a*b mod m , on the 'standard' test box
a111: Logged on 2017-09-16 15:35 asciilifeform: ( for comparison, a NONmodular exponentiation of same width on same box with same ffa takes 0.26s. )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-16#1715247 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-16#1715243 are these to mean therefore that a mod computed on a 4096 bit int takes 50 seconds ? ☝︎☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not directly evident giving it to the state's people's something or the other is such a good idea in any case.
mircea_popescu: would make a splendid show to butcher the lot.
mircea_popescu: venezuela is pretty much a present day rhodesia.
BingoBoingo: es that the gauntlet in question, which features a "kek" symbol that resembles the "Kekistan flag" popularized by 4chan, was originally created by the game's developers back in June of 2015. Dague says the gauntlet was one of many items in the game that "reference real world art, iconography, typeface, and other design elements" and that "some of the reference imagery featured the simple mirrored chevron shapes found in the finished piec
BingoBoingo: In people who wish they were the ministry of games: "Earlier this week, when it became clear that a gauntlet in Destiny 2 resembled a "Kekistan" flag design that has been repurposed by neo-Nazis, developer Bungie was quick to apologize and work to remove the item from the game. Now, the developer is using a public blog post to try to explain how the symbol ended up in the game in the first place. Community Manager David "DeeJ" Dague writ
BingoBoingo: http://thedrinkingrecord.com/wasp.pdf and a bonus http://thedrinkingrecord.com/Kaczynski%20-%20Technological%20Slavery.pdf
asciilifeform: a truly eagle-eyed nitpicker will of course notice that... (r13) gurer pnaabg or fhpu n guvat nf abazbqhyne rkcbaragvngvba va ssn, vg vf nyjnlf zbqhyb ng zbfg gur ovgarff!
asciilifeform: ( why 2B-wide ? because a multiplication or a squaring of B width produces a 2B-wide . )
asciilifeform: when bitness is B, a modular exponentiation takes B mod-muls and B mod-squares, each of which produces a 2B-wide item that gets div'd . that's 2B 2B-wide divisions.
asciilifeform: ( for comparison, a NONmodular exponentiation of same width on same box with same ffa takes 0.26s. ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: and it needs to go down 25-50x to make for a usable rsatron.
asciilifeform: in other olds ( i dun think i posted this measurement ) the NAIVE modular exponentiator takes 51.3 seconds per 4096b a*b mod m , on the 'standard' test box ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2014-10-18 13:28 PeterL: so I converted that WASP pdf into a txt file http://btcscoop.com/WASP.txt
BingoBoingo: Oh my: "According to a recent The Politicians Safety Survey (PTU), published by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention, some 6.3 percent of elected politicians who were polled admitted having suffered a hate crime in 2014."
BingoBoingo: "In the best moment of her life the hand that penned Are Men Necessary reached out and yanked one of those hooped earrings loose from its fleshy mooring. No sooner had I—Maureen Dowd with a memory of being a man—pulled the fake bangle back to that hated breast as the earlobe separated into two hanging gyro strips, the big brown fist that could have belonged to a heavyweight boxer crashed into that sanctimonious mouth, forever removin
PeterL: With RSA-OAEP, one can encrypt messages whose bit-length is up to just a few hundred bits less than the number of bits in the RSA modulus, yielding a ciphertext whose size is the same as that of the RSA modulus. << It sounds like he is using a smaller amount of random bits than we are?
BingoBoingo: OMG Police adopting filthy hippy tactics nao: "They marched to the on-ramp of I-64 at Clark Street, but officers on bicycles formed a human chain to prevent them from shutting down highway traffic. The protesters left that area without any physical confrontations."
PeterL: what is this, mircea_popescu linking a pdf?!? the scandal!
mircea_popescu: incidentally, should prolly take a look at http://www.shoup.net/papers/oaep.pdf also ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the problem with the spec as-is is that you can't actually have a message of the same bitsize as the key, but must make it -1 ; this appears to be mentioned exactly NOWHERE, which is moderately concerning.
mircea_popescu: anyway, next step is to actually declare a server api, with much better hooks for content delivery etc. should grow nicely once all that's in.
shinohai: Yeah the cli-interface took a little adjustment but I kinda liked it once I figured it out
mod6: lol, i've got a stone pickaxe you made me once, that's now 1Mq
mircea_popescu: anyway, tbh i like the new cli-style merchant interface a lot better in priciple.
shinohai: Longest click I have ever done was for diana_coman .... only took a few hours though.
mircea_popescu: there's many classes of stupid, a well populous one (at least in the us) is "intelligent who are affraid of it".
a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 21:33 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i did a tour of duty in the most godforsaken imaginable salt mine full of ex-nsa folk.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-15 23:50 mircea_popescu: sort of like a self-preservation mechanism.
mircea_popescu: you can't unfix a fixed bitch.
mircea_popescu: i'm a dumb cunt just like them and imagine the value of my precious kitty is related to how many textile layers i keep it under.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: nah d00d dun work with darpa, he works with iarpa, darpa is stolid old pentagon, iarpa - nsa << This does not exonerate the yeast's herald from being a herald of his yeastly superiors
mircea_popescu: she invites us to this art whatever the fuck, in a loft downtown. we actually go! and there, whole festival of locking doors ands where's your id and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform vaguely funny anecdote re this : someone introduced woman to me in ba. clearly pro cocksucker who's seen better days ; had retired into a marriage but chosen ineptly, was now peniless trying to make ends meet out of realestate agenting.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Hey, he can be the beta provider in a fungus feeding reproductionship
jhvh1: 3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
mircea_popescu: alcohol is a muchly preferable addiction to usgtronic stupidity in that it actually DOES something.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: lol, the drink is a symptom
jhvh1: 4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
jhvh1: 2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
asciilifeform: step 2 is to omfg get a civilized chan log for yerself, kanzure , the .txt full of joinpart spamola is srsly sad
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Error: "step" is not a valid command.
asciilifeform: i suppose my interest is very narrowly entomological -- i'd like to know if d00d is boneh or a dupe.
mircea_popescu: ie, if it has seats and a stage there's going to be some kind of fly land on each.
asciilifeform: so kanzure wouldja humour me, and say to me why i cannot compress a 1000TB backup into a 1024byte sig
mircea_popescu: people-who-talk-at-conferences, ie indie bands, will at any point also be in a conference hall.
mircea_popescu: people-who-go-to-conferences, ie bar flies, will at any point be in a conference hall. this has no relation to anything else.
asciilifeform: kanzure: really nobody gives half a shit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he was there in the sense wino was in bar. it takes a very special sort of someone to imagine they were there because they went to listen to the band.
BingoBoingo: Know is a prejudicial un-solarshaded term
asciilifeform: boneh is imho an interesting example of a man who thought that intellectual and political integrity were severable ☟︎
mircea_popescu: sort of like a self-preservation mechanism. ☟︎
asciilifeform: kanzure: i spilled the beans from a similar darpa conference that i attended, in the heart of the beast itself, few yrs back ( it's in the l0gz, spoiler : multilinear map homomorphic crypto is bunkum ) and still waiting for gasenwagen ☟︎
asciilifeform: this 'pack the planet with bodies until everywhere looks like a crowded lift' thing ain't long for this world, kanzure
asciilifeform: and so instead write with dna, a mol of which weighs approx what young elephant weighs ?
kanzure: i was in dc yesterday attending a dna synthesis meeting organied by iarpa. they want 10^14 data write with dna.