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mircea_popescu leaves http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712865 next to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741614 for... i'm not even sure, everyone capable of knowing knows and everyone who doesn't know is not gonna find out anymore than my stove is gonna learn a merry jig. ☝︎☝︎

asciilifeform: ( last i saw, there was a hefty bit )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have a bit of difficulty wrapping head around this scene -- picture the convo, 'hey y'know what they'll luvvv?' 'i know! for transactions to be REVERSIBLE!11 by some chinese d00d!'

asciilifeform: i.e. a segshitness magicked away by chinese 'for greater good'

shinohai: But I'm not sure how BCH could be sent to addy on another network in the first place.

spyked: I'll get back to the "working cli/tui js browser" problem later, back to adalisp for now.

a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 18:13 shinohai: !~later tell spyked I managed to find archive of w3m-js patch (for v 0.4) http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/OFXDG/?raw=true

a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 07:07 ben_vulpes: these slime are un-ticking ~every box. and i guess this is unsurprising because socialism clouds memetic space until nobody even remembers, however many years later /what the fuck was so cool about bitcoin in the first place/

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741576 << this being, of course, why the "no updates" thing is such a thorn in the side of the fiatist mind. if we DID updates, (NO MATTER WHICH!!!! even if we only did the reasonable ones!) then there'd be the sort of ~continuity~ that's the paramount ingredient in socialist reconstructions of the world, whereby "progress" and "i can't understand what those women of like... more than 20 yea ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 07:13 ben_vulpes: this is a hilarious curveball to throw civvies: "but i thought you were so virulently anti-altcoin?" "no man," long drag on cigarette, "you gotta realize that even the dipshittiest, hilariously self-critting piece of nonsense like the thing that self-advertised as usgcoin /is still a better buy than usg fictions like the 'roth ira'"

a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 18:13 shinohai: !~later tell spyked I managed to find archive of w3m-js patch (for v 0.4) http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/OFXDG/?raw=true

ben_vulpes: this is a hilarious curveball to throw civvies: "but i thought you were so virulently anti-altcoin?" "no man," long drag on cigarette, "you gotta realize that even the dipshittiest, hilariously self-critting piece of nonsense like the thing that self-advertised as usgcoin /is still a better buy than usg fictions like the 'roth ira'" ☟︎

ben_vulpes: whole thing devolves into 'i r wrote software and then the bad thing happened because of bad people!'

ben_vulpes: these slime are un-ticking ~every box. and i guess this is unsurprising because socialism clouds memetic space until nobody even remembers, however many years later /what the fuck was so cool about bitcoin in the first place/ ☟︎

mircea_popescu: lobbes from what i hear blowjobs are >>> chewing gum.

lobbes: I use to fly 4 flights a week for about a year straight for a previous gig (granted all short hops within empire). After much experimentation, best method I found for this was: 1) pop a pseudoephedrine or two a coupla hours before descent 2) RESIST all urges to fiddle with ears 3) fuck chewing gum; try and get a yawn-cycle going

BingoBoingo: And to those who get more detail: "How do you know these people" "I've been doing writing and piece work for them off and on for some years, and now there's a need for more me"

BingoBoingo: One girl has been joking that I must be CIA which is lol, because I am exact opposite.

BingoBoingo: Typical conversation at BingoBoingo store since turning in notice: "Wait, where are you going?" "Uruguay" "Where are you going to be working" "The Internet" "Why the fuck is there any interest in you going there" "I have a very particular set of skills"

mircea_popescu: i can see it.

asciilifeform: i saw one being flown in timişoara -- possibly literally a sopwith . buzzing the steeples.

asciilifeform: lol i thought midwestern meant having ~own~ plane!1

asciilifeform: woah i had nfi.

mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone uses ~most anything.

asciilifeform: who makes a compiler like this, and why, is anybody's guess. for all i know, we're the first folx ever to use gnat and at the same time give half a shit re speed.

asciilifeform: i had it set to max fascism. which explains why bounds of same item get checked again and again and again and...

asciilifeform: nm i see it

shinohai: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/useless-ethereum-token/ <<< I thought this was all of 'em

shinohai: I'm an entrepreneur though .... I might one day have need for a few ded ones.

BingoBoingo: I though you like them warm shinohai

shinohai: Is this why I like Ada now?

asciilifeform: typical, http://adagin.blogspot.com/2013/12/ada-2005-access-types-part-i.html , lively : type Hooker_Array is array (Positive range <>) of Hooker_Class_Ptr; procedure Violate_Bodies (x : Hooker_Array); ... 'We want to track all our victims, presumably in some sort of set or container, so that we might disinter them later as needed. Similarly, we might also want to do strange, awful things with the dead bodies of the hookers.' ☟︎

asciilifeform: i've nfi what's in there, mebbe lolcat pics

a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 01:01 mircea_popescu: now, i would much appreciate if you took the current bs and ipa'd it properly (it's not THAT hard, ro ipa set is narrow and unambiguous)

diana_coman: to start with I'm not sure there is such total separation between genders as in searches in male gender means advances do not translate further down the line in moving up the average on female gender too , for instance

diana_coman: I can't say I really looked into this; I do remember your trilema article on this idea re searching in the male gender

diana_coman: I guess you can take "women become dominant" as visible threshold of "everyone makes it" but to my eyes that's already late as it were; profession ended long time before that

asciilifeform: i thought bernstein were a bloke

mircea_popescu: others' mileage may vary, of course. but as far as i'm concerned...

mircea_popescu: all this aside, i'm very performance driven. i care much more about what she does than what she looks like. which is why djb, sexy as she might be, has nevertheless 0 hot factor for me. ill behaved / stupid hotties are not hot to any degree i can personally measure.

mircea_popescu: i'm not THAT attractive.

asciilifeform: 'what if i need to hire some engineers and dun have a harem' 'slice lengthwise!!'

mircea_popescu: honestly, i see no problem with this.

asciilifeform: re asciilifeform's local shithole, moar interesting observation -- at one time the comp sci dept was ~90% male. today -- after subjects like 'operating systems', 'compilers' -- where you gotta form a working mental model of what the fuck yer doing, or you have no chance , and the working material is not amenable to 'i'ma randomly hammer until it works' -- no moar.

shinohai: !~later tell spyked I managed to find archive of w3m-js patch (for v 0.4) http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/OFXDG/?raw=true ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: interestingly they also doctor the Official stats re subj : a casual walk through u of md reveals ~70+% femality, but Official figure, last i saw, was 49 or somesuch

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cuz i'm knee deep in "educated" womenz shattered delusions.

asciilifeform: howdjaguess, 'At the University of Texas at Austin where I teach, the sex ratio is 54 percent women to 46 percent men. This imbalance may not seem large at first blush. But when you do the math it translates into a hefty 17 percent more women than men in the local mating pool. Speculations about reasons range widely. They include the gradual removal of gender discrimination barriers and women’s higher levels of conscientiousness (r

shinohai: If you happen to dig it up at some point, I would greatly appreciate copy

shinohai: For a while I really liked the w3m browser, there was rumored to be js plugin for it, though link to original www is ded and I cannot find info on it anywhere.

mircea_popescu: now this i have nfi why would occur. the exact details are buried somewhere in archives, but it's been a while ;/

spyked: re. links/elinks js, mircea_popescu, shinohai, thanks for the pointers. attempts so far to get a working item failed, but it's worth reporting what I've found. long story short, elinks depends on libmozjs, steps at http://archive.is/UFpsz work only visiting e.g. http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/#selection-21.75-21.93 gives the following error: "The requested fragment

shinohai: Just reminded me of it. Likely first Catholic church I have ever seen with a drop ceiling.

shinohai: btw, I rather liked the pics mircea_popescu posted of church in latest trilema. Nifty.

shinohai: Jeez I almost don't want to have a news/rss feed open until this "I was raped" spam is over with.

ben_vulpes: also wtf, look at this inept shit: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/11/20/sex-education-needs-graphic-teens-trying-taboo-practices-say/ "trying taboo practices", no link to original paper, what the hell am i even looking at

a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 14:52 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741262 <-- I tried building a long time ago, but couldn't get it to do js. I'll give it a second shot. will also try to link js library against libc without unicode support (it seems links depends on libmozjs). /me adds another write-up to the list for when he gets this to work.

shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741274 <<< I forgot to mention spyked this did work for me when I tried it some time ago, had to ensure ECMAScript support was enabled after ./configure. ☝︎

ben_vulpes: spyked: i'll give your recipe a whirl later

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741227 << i.e. fughet about non-microshit os on intel ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://philip.greenspun.com/research/shame-and-war << apparently moved ( and possibly sectionally censored, i've nfi )

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i just want, from a strategic perspective, the tool whereby to be able to force a wedge among "website owners" and have them upgrade whether they want to or not, off the imperial tree.

asciilifeform: i'ma let ben_vulpes , phf , others who served lengthy sentences of sisyphation in js , elaborate.

asciilifeform: i mean, why retain the retarded syntax, and not cut straight to e.g. tmsr-scheme

a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 14:44 mircea_popescu: i remember testing against it back when i put that thing in

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741262 <-- I tried building a long time ago, but couldn't get it to do js. I'll give it a second shot. will also try to link js library against libc without unicode support (it seems links depends on libmozjs). /me adds another write-up to the list for when he gets this to work. ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: hm i had nfi there is a lynx with js

mircea_popescu: i remember testing against it back when i put that thing in ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 12:33 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740268 <-- coincidentally, I've been working on a very similar thing this week-end. managed to get rid of gcc 5.4 through a variation on https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Upgrading_GCC ; compressed steps: 1. install heathen stage3; 2. right after minimal setup (timezone, locale etc.), install gcc 4.9.4, and switch to it as default using gcc-config; 3. mask gcc >=5 in portage; 4. rebuild @system (and/or

spyked: (I use w3m for everything else)

spyked: mircea_popescu, last time I tried (lynx, w3m, etc. even "links"), linking something such as http://trilema.com/2017/galati-yachting/#selection-23.0-25.14 didn't highlight

mircea_popescu: (i mean links/elinks ; lynx might but my version is antique, doesn't)

spyked: mircea_popescu, js browser (e.g. firefox) that allows linking trilema snippets. the only reason I still keep one around.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i saw report recently : life expectancy of moscow heroin addict, 5-7 years. life expectancy of moscow homecooked-desomorphine addict, 18 months.

spyked: mircea_popescu, problem isn't whether unicode is needed. but that "modern" software insists on shoving "support" down one's throat. it can be removed, of course (either support or software altogether), only I suspect the pile of unicode-enhanced crap yet hides some useful items.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741114 << from what i've seen so far, the prognosis for sufferers is quite grim ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 14:21 spyked: trinque, ftr, I tried getting a uclibc system up, but it seems to lack e.g. localization support, which didn't get me very far. will have to give this another shot on the next box I get up (which might not even be an x86 box; or else, it will be a pcengines).

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741226 << uclibc is lethally broken last i saw ( e.g. pthreads ) ☝︎

shinohai: I think if one needs support for languages, etc?

spyked: trinque, ftr, I tried getting a uclibc system up, but it seems to lack e.g. localization support, which didn't get me very far. will have to give this another shot on the next box I get up (which might not even be an x86 box; or else, it will be a pcengines). ☟︎

spyked: shinohai, pretty good. gentoo diddling. I'm trying to get a new box up, learn v, compile trb, add an ada in, learn lisp internals ... (the list continues)

a111: Logged on 2017-11-18 22:19 ben_vulpes: hey trinque do you still have that script for "infectious gentoo"? i might be able to get my old closet iron with 4.9 to build a respectable userland

trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740478 << I do. lemme dust it off and run, then I'll genesis it and put on my blog. ☝︎

shinohai: For me it was rather like building a model airplane, box of parts "Here, build this". Sometimes I wanted to just dump it all in the trash and just get high on the glue but persistence pays off I suppose.

shinohai: Yeah I switched 100% gentoo ~1 year ago, props to trinque for his patience with me.

shinohai: Current setup will build Eulora and trb like a dream, with nary a barf like I experienced in my old deb days

shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741203 <<< I would like to help ( I believe it was mod6 that mentioned it previously) set up some sort of mirror for just this purpose, because yes outside things will become unreliable sooner rather than later. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 12:33 spyked: @world, though this is not needed in early install); 5. send gcc 5.4 into oblivion (should have no dependencies left by now). I can do a more detailed write-up if still needed.

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741023 <-- I didn't get from the discussion: are regionalisms, archaisms, etc. to be included in this dict, or are they separate item? example: belengher (plus expr. "a festeli belengherul", similar in meaning to "a caca steagul" mentioned earlier by diana_coman) ☝︎

spyked: @world, though this is not needed in early install); 5. send gcc 5.4 into oblivion (should have no dependencies left by now). I can do a more detailed write-up if still needed. ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-11-18 06:55 ben_vulpes: likely has to do with that this box is running gcc 5.4.0, i think i have to figure out how to make a gentoo with gcc 4.9

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740268 <-- coincidentally, I've been working on a very similar thing this week-end. managed to get rid of gcc 5.4 through a variation on https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Upgrading_GCC ; compressed steps: 1. install heathen stage3; 2. right after minimal setup (timezone, locale etc.), install gcc 4.9.4, and switch to it as default using gcc-config; 3. mask gcc >=5 in portage; 4. rebuild @system (and/or ☝︎☟︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-11-15 14:22 diana_coman: oh, ugh; and yes, now you mention it I think it was same-change in Ro too

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1738883 <-- pascal still in ro highschool curriculum afaik. ro school has much bigger problems, in the vein of http://trilema.com/2011/la-ce-imi-serveste-mie-radicalurile/ being asked not only by students, but by teachers themselves! (e.g. I once received q from teacher: "what's more important, physics or mathematics?" "both, bitch! and nao stop amputating those curricula!") ☝︎

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1738140 <-- ftr, I am following phf's initial advice re. reading lisp in small pieces; this, along with kogge's book. but at snail's pace (code easier to write than read) ☝︎☟︎

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737956 <-- but lists are sequences too, and strings can be represented as lists. this becomes problematic when O(1) random accesses are needed. if/when that happens, I will have to implement arrays, but until then... strings are lists-of-characters. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 18:50 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737529 << that doesn't sound right, read and eval are distinct phases, by the time you get to eval you shouldn't be operating with strings when but instead with interned symbols (i.e. things that can be eq'd in lisp and pointer equivalent on c machine level)

mircea_popescu: i suppose by the time twice the supermarket price per item is hardly worth a bitcoin transacton, we might be well advised to revisit that "ancient" http://trilema.com/2015/ok-so-what-is-bitcoin-disrupting/ piece from two years ago.

diana_coman: eh, I suspect nowadays you don't even need that; after all you've been named "adofdifjYYY" to be unique and so on to start with