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phf: trilema-church i think has to be a danielpbarron project
shinohai: i guess i could write about the #trilema-church project
shinohai: i want to at least host my blog there
phf: i've seen properly indented code before, that never the less lost or misplaced parenthesis here or there. naggum actually had a rant somewhere how most experienced lispers actually discover nesting issues by doing reindent. but if you're a newb, you're going to lose a parent, but keep the code shape the same ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 18:40 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i don't get why people who want code highlit don't open the code in a proper editor
phf: ok, i have some idea why http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742652 because i've done it in the past. when you're debugging issues for complete newbs, you basically instinctually looking for two things, imbalanced parenthesis and misuse of intrinsics. yeah you could copy paste that stuff to your emacs buffer, but if what you're doing is essentially social service work, you get burned out on doing deep help pretty fast, hence you want to keep it in the p ☝︎
shinohai: they have a rack of servers and i can buy one lol
shinohai: i just introduced them to trb
shinohai: I'm thinking about buying a server in the North Sea
whaack: diana_conman: cool, when I get back to it I'll try switching out my gnat/gcc first ☟︎
diana_coman: fwiw I remember at some point I ran into weird issues with gnat that were apparently due to mismatched gcc version
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742497 <- oh, hey, thank you; ftr I took it, changed the type'Image things and then it compiled perfectly fine (with gnatmake 4.9.3, gcc 4.9.4) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: "basically i multiply the portions by 8 and divide the sugar also by 8"
asciilifeform: imho it is an approachable thing. but i haven't yet the pill.
asciilifeform: in other not-yet-noose, asciilifeform considered the q of : can show a lower bound for how quickly (i.e. bits leaked per bit of ciphertext sent ) any n-bit-keyed symmetriccipher leaks its key , from purely informationtheoretical grounds ? or not.
whaack: alright I'll look into it more later, for my purposes I think ben_vulpes's code will be sufficient for now
asciilifeform: ( i.e. someone saw it fit to change its semantics, between versions, as if such a change is ever anything other than wrecking )
asciilifeform: whaack: eventually i'm doomed to write a proper sha2 , apparently, gnat's apparently is shitgnomatic.
ben_vulpes: shouldn't be that bad, no. i still don't understand the why of it. after five minutes of working with lisp the parens should disappear into background bookeeping on any usable brainsubstrate
mircea_popescu: just the parens highlight thing doesn't seem that gnarly. am i naive ?
ben_vulpes: i don't want to try reimplementing emacs shittily for the browser, server-side.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i don't get ~anything about how the brains of these people work, so far. asking questions didn't get me much further, moved on to proposing prototypes, which... is going nowhere.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i don't get why people who want code highlit don't open the code in a proper editor ☟︎
mircea_popescu: oh oh it's because i was on archived page.
mircea_popescu: all i have is show join/leave, which doesn't cover nick changes
asciilifeform: whaack: i wrote the thing back when i was mostly using adacore's gnat
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 17:55 whaack: asciilifeform: gnat1: error: unrecognized command line option ‘-fdump-scos’ when I try gprbuild. gnat version 4.6 gcc version 4.8.4. I removed the command line option from the gpr file since it seemed to be just used for coverage tools. Then got error prefix of "Image" attribute must be a type in 3 places in blocks.adb
mircea_popescu: i recall you saying this way back then
phf: by the way, their bot's code is public. i poached their highlighter for example for btcbase file rendering
whaack: asciilifeform: gnat1: error: unrecognized command line option ‘-fdump-scos’ when I try gprbuild. gnat version 4.6 gcc version 4.8.4. I removed the command line option from the gpr file since it seemed to be just used for coverage tools. Then got error prefix of "Image" attribute must be a type in 3 places in blocks.adb ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: as per intel, cannonical, mastodon. grad student, "I subsist on hot pockets".
phf: i know he talks on #lisp, but i don't have anything about him, i.e. i'm pretty sure he's not doing anything visible
phf: no, but i'll give it a try, i think it's my turn to attempt to invite a random stranger to trilema and see him run away in horror
mircea_popescu: phf dja have a conduit to invite him here ? i think smg wants to hire him.
mircea_popescu: i like the part where he explains why 2^32 scan being 1.6 seconds is not good news for scanning 2^32
phf: mircea_popescu: i like that video series, it seems so innocent
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZf1DzJYO8o << so much toastmasters i'd love to hire this guy to read eulora things for me.
a111: 2017-03-04 <mrottenkolber> I know, I know, people are not REPLs
jhvh1: asciilifeform: I have not seen mrottenkolber.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 16:45 ben_vulpes: whaack: i hastily stripped the cl i use behind mimisbrunnr for block parsing and transaction extracting into this tar for you: cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/blockparser.tgz
mircea_popescu: * Loaded log from Thu Jan 19 19:08:32 2017 << i guess once a year .
phf: ben_vulpes: sharplispers i believe is the #lisp crowd who maintain "abandoned" packages (mostly for the purposes of xach having somewhere to git clone things from for his quicklisp). i know xach, luis oliveira, and nikodemus siivola, the last one being a proper hacker
ben_vulpes: i mean an ideal republican gutting.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: did not actually work i mean.
ben_vulpes: also ironclad rsa padding is notquiteright, trinque i believe knows a bit more
asciilifeform: i gotta ask, what means 'libressling'
phf: asciilifeform: i recall their being tight hashing code, but every time i do the same thing and discover that it was sb-md5 (and there's a corresponding cmucl prior art), so no proper shasum
ben_vulpes: i figure you can stitch it into a fare-friendly (asdf) form, if you have trouble or its missing bits let me know, 'tis a very hasty rip job
ben_vulpes: whaack: i hastily stripped the cl i use behind mimisbrunnr for block parsing and transaction extracting into this tar for you: cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/blockparser.tgz ☟︎
asciilifeform: pretty sure i get it
mircea_popescu: actually, here's what i meant : vai de omu' sarac, nici boii nu-i trag, ii cade pita-n cicat si cind fute da de cui.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i didn't mean proper immunity, i just meant...
phf: asciilifeform: "Having to unfollow folks because I'm sick of cynical passive agressive subtoots." ""It will not hurt people who use gopher the way it has been used for ~30 years. It won't break things. Those folks can ignore what we're doing. This doesn't have to be antagonistic. If you don't wanna take part, that's cool! I'm not here to force you. Keep doing what you're doing, or do what we're doing. Either is wonderful" etc.
asciilifeform: i can picture how it might not be
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 16:20 phf: re upstack, there's been a resurgence of sorts of gopher protocol, various hipsters spinning up personal websites, etc. whether the resurgence was shortlived or i'm just late to the game, but there's already a community of wreckers (one of them groups is coming from this federated twitter platform, mastodon) discussing all the various ways that they want to "improve" gopher, tls, utf-8, markdown renderer, "minimal subset of html", etc. but at the same
whaack: asciilifeform: okay I will give it a shot
phf: mircea_popescu: i'm still sad about that branson photo, every time i remember it, just have to shake my head
whaack: asciilifeform: okay I plan to use ironclad to do the actual hashing in the cl implementation unless there is a better recommendation
phf: i keep expecting another trilema executing a coordinated strategy, but once you spend a few days living amongst them, you realize that there's nothing there, so yes.
phf: i was initially pissed off, but now i'm just sad, that babbage quote is very apropos
phf: re upstack, there's been a resurgence of sorts of gopher protocol, various hipsters spinning up personal websites, etc. whether the resurgence was shortlived or i'm just late to the game, but there's already a community of wreckers (one of them groups is coming from this federated twitter platform, mastodon) discussing all the various ways that they want to "improve" gopher, tls, utf-8, markdown renderer, "minimal subset of html", etc. but at the same ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: in similar news, "i don't think jakob fugger was really all that rich -- after all, he didn't even have an ipad".
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 15:58 mircea_popescu: the discussion is readily mappable to its perfect equivalent which we oh so often rehash here : "i wonder what microsoft issued extension makes my operating system secure ?"
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742457 << "I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." etc ☝︎
mircea_popescu: unless you actually go block44.txn7th, which is technically how spending goes, but anyway, i didn't expect he did that.
whaack: I do not have a copy
asciilifeform: whaack: i posted an ada block eater a while back, do you have a copy ?
whaack: Ultimately what I want to build is a tool to determine how much a miner can obtain by "defecting" from segwit from the current mempool
whaack: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741795 << I have code to take his blocks and count up all the satoshis in the outputs that have undeterminable destinations. This is not very useful without also subtracting the coins when they are spent. This requires storing the txn hash and output index while I count up the satoshis. However ben_vulpes's api does not provide the txn hash and I have no CL code (yet) to calculate it. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: and so on and forever until we fall over, "how could i get everything i need and it'll only ever be something i wanted ???".
mircea_popescu: "tmsr claims to be more powerful than the us, but i have my doubts, because their software doesn't even unicode."
mircea_popescu: the discussion is readily mappable to its perfect equivalent which we oh so often rehash here : "i wonder what microsoft issued extension makes my operating system secure ?" ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the complaint re mp's perceived lifestyle neartly folds into the general problem : "i think mp might be a millionaire as usg defined that term for me, but it seems in a sense fake, because he doesn't display the markers usg trained me to recognize. i wonder, if usg controls my perception of my own wants in the sense of defining how their perceptible form looks, why i don't get to be a millionaire ?"
asciilifeform: what am i even reading, 'looksmax.net' ?!?
mircea_popescu: can this be underscored enough ? i doubt it.
diana_coman: ahahaha "like mircea popescu or whatever his name is, but even with him i suspect he's not anywhere near as rich as he wants people to think he is - it doesn't add up; poorly fitted suits, average looking hotel suites/condos, spends all his time living in cheap shitholes which is precisely what white people who have money to live abroad but aren't rich do)" ; from ^^ ☟︎
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i'd say they're working great.
mircea_popescu: and i'll insist and underline that no, can not be the case these are people. if i can emulate 10k of them on a stock amd, they're not people, they're 1/10k of a stock amd.
mircea_popescu: and i mean this most literally.
phf: asciilifeform: yeah, i had the same thought until she started speaking, i mean, shit, they don't have "toastmasters" in romania? practice your talk before going in front of people
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i randomly clicked a link from an 2008 article by the itisa dood. i suppose he was fucking her at the time or w/e.
mircea_popescu: in short, i've had it with the aferations of social participation coming from the facebook fake accounts up to fucking here.
mircea_popescu: yet there she sits, and like her one billion utterly useless facebook tards. i've no doubt she votes, but not randomly -- she thinks she reasons! and in another decade she's gonna write a "book". and so fucking following.
mircea_popescu: and since we're on this : i'm particularily insulted by the pretentions of ex-"journalists" owners of no more than two pairs of undewear and no two meatballs to rub together in their entrails at any given point that they're you know, postmodern women with preoccupations and opinions and options and whatnot. this shithead made in her entire 10 year long professional life a little over one bitcoin.
asciilifeform: at some point i'ma take a stab at translation.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol i can't read this. wtf is it ?
mircea_popescu: phf in my case it's genuinely because i fuck 21f cali.
phf: asciilifeform: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=jennifer+aniston&t=ffab&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images i wonder if mp used that trop before, or it comes from tlp (i'm rereading tlp again)
asciilifeform: i propose to enact this useful new word as a proper thing
asciilifeform: diana_coman: aside from von neumann, and the crc encyclopaedia of well-known algos, i cannot in good conscience recommend much reading. there are works devoted to specific known attacks on rsa ( song y. yang, plus a few ru items ) ; at least 1 dead tree on differential cryptoanalysis ( how items like des get trivially demolished ) whose author presently escapes me; and that's just about it
diana_coman: that being said, whenever I find I don't even have that poor picture as full and as clear as I'd like, I'm still left with little other choice then to go and read; possibly again, what can I do
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I suspect it's quite possible that the writer would end up with that q so... no book
diana_coman: myeah, since reading more seriously on crypto I read a LOT of claims, certainly
diana_coman: k, I think I got it
mircea_popescu: so i'm guessing a daily-ish serpent key change per client is not unreasonable.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i guess we'll define a "control packet" which is always the first 128 bits of every comm, which will contain data such as "killed key #x moved to #y" and also "running out of keys send moar".
asciilifeform: i read that line as a restatement of the ancient 'seekrit algos are a stupidity, honest crypto keeps only privkey seekrit' truism
asciilifeform: keccak, i meant, turned up missing items
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, let me see if I got this right re "patch": simply apply serpent as it is and then at the next level up glue x keys together and send as "key", glue the corresponding x outputs together and use as "output"; basically lump together 16 serpents
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have this itching half-memory that serpent 256 was actually defined