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diana_coman: in other side quests, I got good ol' Supaplex next to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829520 ; and a whole batch of old stuff while at it, all running nicely on a dosbox ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu do you want this mirrored on dulap ?
asciilifeform: got it, ty mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: & ty grenadiers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd like to see it , given that mircea_popescu thought it was of interest
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you want topless thai princess enough to go through ^ ?
mircea_popescu: to be fed, of course, the result of split -29950 <filename>
a111: Logged on 2019-02-02 23:21 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes would it be at all possible to lift your pastebin limit to say 50mb ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, mp's own bash grenadiers regiment suggests an ad interim solution for http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-02#1891951 in the shape of ls | grep ^x..$' | while read line; do curl -Ls -o /dev/null -w %{url_effective} -X POST -F "pastebox=@$line" http://p.bvulpes.com -w %{url_effective}; done ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform in the guts of 16b but tuned in & following cuntoo scent
mircea_popescu: diff guy did a coupla years first, before being sucked into the evercunt manifold.
diana_coman: oh hey, congrats to BingoBoingo and belated cake for qntra!
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/qntra-sqntr-january-2019-statement/ << Trilema -- Qntra (S.QNTR) January 2019 Statement
diana_coman: trinque, it's possibly best to run your latest script and then hand over everything you need, fresh and clear? not a big issue otherwise to rummage and pack that dir but I don't even recall if I did not touch it further after that point when I sent the genesis patch so I'd rather not introduce artefacts ☟︎
mircea_popescu: AND THEN THERE WERE THREE!!!
mircea_popescu: hanbot pick a laptop, bake the man's cuntoo. (principal issue, that gentoo->cuntoo "bridge", see if his sig matches). ☟︎☟︎☟︎
trinque: with the build mount unmounted of course.
trinque: diana_coman: might I get a tarball of your cuntoo build directory's present state? ☟︎
trinque: the code that runs vdiff is pretty simple, lives at line 114 of scripts/make_portage_tree.sh
diana_coman: aha; well, mine is stock gentoo rather than musl so yes
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 04:03 trinque: GNU bash, version 4.4.12(1)-release (x86_64-gentoo-linux-musl)
diana_coman: lemme see on that machine..
diana_coman: ah, he pressed to next (aka last) node; possibly that makes a diff, hm
mircea_popescu: not saying that necessarily accounts for the difference. but it is a fact.
mircea_popescu: he pressed to vtools_tempfile_standalone_notmp ; you pressed to vtools_ksum
diana_coman: trinque, iirc I used my own starter_v.zip so that's pressed to vtools_ksum (i.e. http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools_ksum ) as per http://ossasepia.com/2018/11/13/v-with-vtools-keccak-hashes-and-its-own-tree/#selection-69.219-69.332
trinque: it doesn't seem to have happened anywhere else in your genesis either
trinque: the paths from your genesis don't even look like real paths; they look like two paths mangled together
trinque: diana_coman: the first thing I'm curious about is the press-head which produced your vdiff
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/082-tmsr-schedule-i.html << The Tar Pit -- Schedule for Republican work, February - April 2019
trinque: this would be expected if the bootstrap compiler requires a host glibc.
trinque: headed bedward now, but I'll see what I can dig up tomorrow. appeared the bootstrap compiler refused to run.
ave1: the whole thing in the end is static, but yes maybe still relies on a specific gcc lib in there
trinque: building it on cuntoo might be a good test of your script's isolation. possible it relies on something from the host.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 00:35 trinque: ave1: is it your experience that your gcc+gnat builds on musl? builds for musl, yes, but on?
ave1: trinque, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1891961, I've build it with itself (i.e. musl). But the ultimate start has always been the gcc version from AdaCore. I could not get it to work with an FSF start. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i got 4.1.16 ; it'd be a wonder if anyone still has a 3 anywhere, or for that matter if there;'s some subtle symlink treatment difference between them, but...
trinque: worth underscoring that I built from a cuntoo
mircea_popescu: trinque time for bash --version ?
asciilifeform: nao this is interesting ( i assume both of you used phf's modern vdiff, which as far as anyone knows is 100% deterministic and dun import 'locale' crapolade like the ancient one did )
trinque: this path took way longer, and I'm glad we got chicken to eat when needed.
trinque: asciilifeform: the diff there contains only path weird, and I hazard a guess there's a difference in vdiff behavior. I used a vdiff pressed down to vtools_tempfile_standalone_notmp
asciilifeform: ( and muchly superior to how asciilifeform did trb's 'chicken' genesis, where was stuck giving it as hand-cranked recipe on acct of the vdiff of the period being unable to describe deletion of binturds )
trinque: my release contains my signature of genesis.vpatch, but not the vpatch itself. this way everyone is forced to confirm the bridge out of gentoo and into cuntoo
asciilifeform: ok that was actually my q ('is the source of the nondeterministic noise known?')
trinque: the goal here is that everyone who runs the script gets exactly the same genesis.vpatch, of course. why folks got slightly different results is exactly the question.
asciilifeform: i'ma reread prior to asking moar
trinque: please read the script and ask a specific question
asciilifeform: i get this part
trinque: because we're comparing the output of her and my build machines, the goal being determinism.
trinque: the build script produces a genesis.vpatch which encompasses the cuntoo portage tree.
asciilifeform: the files pictured in the diff above
asciilifeform: trinque: possibly i'm thick, but how come they can turn out to differ at all b/w 2 installs ? does it munge'em at install time programmatically somehow ?
trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/OJFYM/?raw=true << I'll take to it with fresher eyes, but it looks like on diana_coman's end symlinks are being dereferenced, or something in that vicinity. that appears to be the only class of difference.
trinque: divergence is entirely within the profile dir, no ebuild differences, so that's a very encouraging result
asciilifeform: if you want to do , e.g., 4096bit rsa, needs iron with at least 256kB of ram . and 2 serial ports, 1 on which to hang FG, other for operator i/o. that's moar or less it, in re minimal iron req'd.
trinque: diana_coman: I've got the diff between my cuntoo genesis.vpatch and yours chewed down to human size (about 900 lines). getting closer
asciilifeform: ( this means that e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-06#1832315 theoretically suffices for 'os' on which can run ffacalc. ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: for ffa , the only os knobs you need are 1) a means for getting commandline string 2) equiv. of putchar 3) equiv. of getchar 4) a means to read bytes from a FG .
asciilifeform: refer to ave1's asmistic-i/o (no-libc-of-any-kind) demo, for these.
asciilifeform: re ffa in particular, if yer testing on something truly exotic (in re not having a posix layer) you will have to change a coupla lines in os.adb where i/o happens
asciilifeform: incidentally i expect that results from 'does ffa build' carry over to errybody who is currently using a ffa-derived gpr config ( this includes diana_coman , iirc , and possibly phf )
asciilifeform: i also have not tried on (traditional, rather than crapplistic) bsd.
asciilifeform: i concede that i have ~not~ tried winblowz (which incidentally ~does~ permit static link), couldn't think of any reason to, to date
asciilifeform: incidentally, even old-fashioned barbaric adacorpse gnat was well-behaved re '-static' flag -- there's an os that dun even support static link (crapple) and it will properly barf there, rather than silently build dynamic ( incidentally can still build a runnable ffa there, fwiw, in debug mode -- see readme.txt )
asciilifeform: ( in the case of x64 and arm64 both. )
asciilifeform: afaik the only successful builds to date were on trad/barbaric gentoos , on top of which sat adacorpse-gnat '16.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1891970 << afaik built to date on 2 platforms total ( if anyone did a 3rd, not yet reported in the l0gz ) -- x64 and arm64. both replicated in asciilifeform's torture room, the former in regular use . thing builds strictly static+musltronic bins, it aint even knob-adjustable (which is as it oughta be imho) . ☝︎
BingoBoingo: Amazing how the last names remain revelant with Cobb being the outlier as he always is
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Still eating it and the glory of the rest of the world catching up to Branch Rickey
mircea_popescu: quite makes the whole thing.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo did you get as far as where he ~reveals~ the sauce for the "go at it the right way" device ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: quite. if there is any writing that has a shot at that "great american novel title", it'd be l.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-02 19:24 mircea_popescu: in fact, the ur-murican would be this fellow : https://www.gutenberg.org/files/52670/52670-h/52670-h.htm
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-02#1891823 How have I not read this before! Real America near the end of the Great! ☝︎
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/02/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-june-july-and-august-1715-part-vi/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of June, July and August, 1715. - Part V(I).
trinque: and while I'm flailing and torching afternoons trying to get a vtools sat down on my cuntoo buildbox, if anyone can point me to instructions on getting gprbuild to cough up a static binary, I'd be much obliged
trinque: ave1: is it your experience that your gcc+gnat builds on musl? builds for musl, yes, but on? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: seems if you want 30mb worth of bad homemade porn in dubious antiquated encodings we'll need better infrastructure than is extant.
mircea_popescu: a well, uploaded it to trilema (should be visible at http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/thailand-crown-prince-dog-birthday.flv ) but for some reason 404s that i'm not going to be arsed to debug.
asciilifeform: iirc those shat flv
asciilifeform: or hm, also possib that they filmed it with old nokia
asciilifeform: i'm told that win9x still common in e.g. southkr
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform possibly thailand has latest win95.
mircea_popescu perfectly willing to contribute to defray costs.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes would it be at all possible to lift your pastebin limit to say 50mb ? ☟︎
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Apparently what they do here instead of bothering groundhogs
mircea_popescu: alrighty then.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reichs are among the moar long-lasting worx of man. but do wear out. ( exactly how and why, is q above my pay grade, but seems rather obv that they do in fact wear out )
BingoBoingo: In other news, beaches occupied by crowds offering gifts to African sea gods
mircea_popescu: this distinguishes reich from any one thing ?
mircea_popescu: so then what is it you're saying here ?
asciilifeform: and they dun strictly ~have~ to die because 'heir is boy who cant keep household in order'. ivan iii, say, clubbed his only heir (+ his pregnant wife) to death with iron stick, worked just as well to end that dynasty as effete faggotry would've
asciilifeform: (given as my orig contention was that ~all~ dynasty eventually runs outta juice)
asciilifeform: i'm entirely willing to believe tho that this is the 400th and ~last yr of that dynasty
asciilifeform: let's have it for thread-compleetness ( i'll even revv up a box with sound & watch )
mircea_popescu: im sure it's somewhere in the archives, if you must ima have it fished out
mircea_popescu: pretty sure it was in same timeslice. tho perhaps on qntra
asciilifeform: oh ha i did not see the vid
mircea_popescu: there was a video included, which is why we discuss the panties-on-topless wife rather than quotes from whatever anglotard.