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asciilifeform: they want their spectrometer/chromatograph/triaxial robot/etc/... to work.
mircea_popescu: ps turns out, without excewption, in all cases, inferior work, BECAUSE IT SUCKS. it. irretrievably, it ruins work.
mircea_popescu: has nothing to do with belief.
asciilifeform: and yes, they do.
asciilifeform: pointing out that this is not one of those jails which disappears if you stop believing in it
mircea_popescu: "oh i really just want my computer to just work hurr"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not good thing. but it is a jail
asciilifeform: and yes, ~we~ know why this is so. but civilian does not, and blames 'crappy open crap'
mircea_popescu: this is still not a "ps is good" thing.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 04:41:23; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dun think it currently is possible to have an open source graphical anything.
asciilifeform: or for that matter, GPU!
mircea_popescu: all that can be done is repeating nonsense reddit style.
mircea_popescu: period and full fucking stop, there isn't even what to discuss here.
asciilifeform: hardware without which job isn't done - must work. even if operator has to fellate obama.
mircea_popescu: wtf bs is this!
mircea_popescu: this is not to be excused in software.
mircea_popescu: hardware that doesn't work doesn't work
asciilifeform: can find other hardware that is pro sop and not supported by any reasonable open package
mircea_popescu: good, saves me from fishing out that file setting up a challenge.
asciilifeform: and for all i know, somebody ported wacom to it in last 7 or what years since i last cared
asciilifeform: lovely scripting layer, too
trinque: jack your wacom into that or what?
trinque: makes total sense
trinque: I mean to be fair, what the man's saying is that gimp has a scripting layer
asciilifeform: dollars to doughnuts everybody here has applied precisely this formula, and in fact no other is known.
mircea_popescu: get the fuck outta here omfg!
asciilifeform: before anyone laughs, this approach has much to recommend it
asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.' ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: i can already picture the conversation:
mircea_popescu: but it was his last money, too.
mircea_popescu: not only he spent his money on something thar doesn't work
asciilifeform: and the artsy fella ?
mircea_popescu: fact that wacom doesn't work with software means you can go fuck it, and fact that vectors are hard means you're still better off with gimp
asciilifeform: it is for the man who doesn't program device drivers.
mircea_popescu: so wait. "wacom doesn't work" is an objection to gimp,
asciilifeform: all graphics are no larger than sheet of paper ?
asciilifeform: go vectorize that.
mircea_popescu: you draw with the fucking pencil.
asciilifeform: without tablet.
asciilifeform: that'd be the OTHERS
mircea_popescu: it is roughly the equivalent of a "really professional chess player" who plays chess in the dark and moving the pieces with his asshole.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have yet to meet an actual pro or semi pro who draws with mice
mircea_popescu: "artist" using "drawing tablet" is retarded by definition.
asciilifeform: it or the 1,001 affine transform items it needs
mircea_popescu: it's current;ly the only practical application i (or ANYONE ELSE, given that eulora challenge) have for lisp
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: go and tell this to a pro artist who has a 14-bit pressure and gyroscopic sensor 'wacom' drawing tablet that pays his rent.
mircea_popescu: (yes, gimp trivially works on lisp)
mircea_popescu: ie, want to do something that shouldn't be done, or can't figure out how to find someone's pre-made lisp script
mircea_popescu: that's not the suggestion. what's said is that gimp is like lisp : if what you want to do can't be done in gimp iot's because you're either stupid or stupid.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is actually the best example. of a proggy which naive folks suggest 'will do all the same things'
mircea_popescu: a) dude wtf, gimp is the worst example for this, srsly ; b) your own block dump thing actually works for the purpose you discussed, chillax already ; c) there are all sorts of block explorers, yes. it'd be nice if one day someone makes the blockdump one we discussed but that's about it.
Adlai: well fuck me i'm here to give you what you don't need
asciilifeform: Adlai: i needed ~clickable block viewer that shows version~
asciilifeform: Adlai: except i didn't ~need~ that
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> signal with farts. << If I understand Edgerouter and Pogo are "farts" that signal ingroup. GIMP is a shit that doesn't work by spz to signal ingroup?
asciilifeform reveals, to no one's great surprise, that he is voicing years of frustration with the entire 'open src' world in this thread, not merely bci-replacements.
Adlai has yet to find an explorer, other than local-node-and-neurons, that provides http://webbtc.com/script/3617d2d6991ee2684eee12fca16fe041cde7eaceab527b855c014dbdae7a7731:0
asciilifeform: but it won't die on account of anyone pretending that xyz five-minutes-of-perl piece of shit is 'equal'
trinque: but how are we to in-group signal?
asciilifeform: it is NOT THE SAME !!1111
asciilifeform: srsly this is ~loathesome~ habit of open source folks, linking to a gimp when i need to take a photoshit
asciilifeform: Adlai: where is the version !!
Adlai: webbtc.com uses ruby, it sucks, i know, i like them because they run scripts on demand
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the version is in the block as spit out, what gfx do you need ?
Adlai: asciilifeform: tradeblock.com/blockchain
asciilifeform: Adlai: for another thing, ACTUALLY SHOWING THE FUCKING VERSION
mircea_popescu: but somehow a buncha derps failed to read the memo re bitfinex.
mircea_popescu: kraken not so much, nobody uses the scammy pos
BingoBoingo: Anyways Adlai I thought you were J-ish
mircea_popescu: trinque i for one am very curious how bitfinex is going to settle all the buyers.
asciilifeform: (like both of the items you linked)
asciilifeform: Adlai: for one thing, not being slow as fuck
trinque: stamp just popped back up to 234
Adlai: BingoBoingo: false, they run version j-ish
Adlai: asciilifeform: please elaborate on exactly which "graphical viewer thing" bci does that no other explorer does
mircea_popescu: just dumping the block
asciilifeform: if someone wrote a tool
mircea_popescu: yeah since the tools alf dropped nodes are actually much more usable for ths
asciilifeform: Adlai: your node puts txes in a graphical viewer thing ?
trinque: Adlai seems to be using the Erdos method re: mathematics
mircea_popescu: how would that be great ? that'd be miserable.
Adlai: (second to satoshi spending directly to mpex)
Adlai: actually yah, and it'd be the best thing to ever happen to btc
Adlai: mtgox were semifake, you could trade them about
asciilifeform: entirely possible that sell flood of entirely genuine btc
Adlai: fake btc (unlike the real thing) exists solely in the mind of its bagholders
mircea_popescu: all the derps "buying" "cheap" bitcoin on the scams in question (bitfinex, kraken) remember : it's not yours until you send it to your offsite wallet.
asciilifeform: invent fake btc, trade - same algo as with metals
mircea_popescu: exactly what that guy told satoshi the plan's gonna be, back on the original list in 2009. "they'll invent fake btc, trade it and it will "go down".
mircea_popescu: anyway, the bitfinex + kraken thing is pretty memorable lol.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'd have to mine to do block version.
Adlai: what horde, i thought they were all lost in a tragic mining accident
BingoBoingo: Adlai: So I could add to the horde
mircea_popescu: Adlai right. redditards, "FIRST APPLE TREE!111 FOUND IT IN MY GARDEN!"
trinque: Adlai: no, I skipped *all* the classes.
assbot: Block number 370434. First block with a version greater than 3 : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpvtoU ) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: pity all the gunpowder's wet bois.
Adlai: thus all the classes you skipped don't count and your deadbeat dropout status is revoked
mircea_popescu: so bitfinex finally does the thing it was supposed to to and "cause panic" ?
Adlai: trinque: sure but you probably got paper at the end