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trinque: absent
the "this will be somehow instructive"
there's
the practical need for infrastructure with which I 100% agree
trinque: hanbot: realtime digestion
then proposal in my case.
hanbot: prolly should put it in a
trilema comment
tho'.
hanbot: all
this might even be
true.
trinque: the upstack claim was
that
this will help design gossipd. *only* as antipattern and study of antipatterns does not by itself yield sense.
trinque: people are not
this undifferentiated category. yes for students, running an ircd is a great idea, like bots or w/e else.
hanbot: in
the sense
that at some point
they've gotta do something
hanbot: trinque: okay, but by
the same logic people shouldn't implement loggers or whatever else. if it's not useful for you, it's still useful for
them.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-21 21:18
trinque: in compounding ironies, I stood up my own ircd_ratbox earlier out of curiosity
trinque: again, only
trivia involved. I've also run clusters of postgres, fleets of webservers, etc etc etc
trinque: hanbot: just stood it up for
the sake of exactly
this impending need
☟︎ hanbot: you mean other
than bash, right? :D
hanbot: and as
to microsoft specifically, i do
trust your opinion on microsoft above
the opinion of microsoft of an imaginary asciilifeform
that never
touched it.
this is exactly what i meant about finding out whether
there's even anything
there.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 22:12 mircea_popescu: "most people, when faced with a problem, will not investigate
the cause of
the problem, but will instead want
to solve it because
the problem is actually in
the way of something more important
than figuring out why something suddenly got in
their way out of nowhere. if you are a programmer, you may reach for perl at
this point, and perl can remove your problem. happy, you go on, but find another problem blocking your way, r
trinque: hanbot: yeah, I'm already running an IRC server elsewhere.
there is no high magic in it, only low
trivia.
hanbot: well...it's a large pile of strange
that none of us seriously delved into. iono what's in
there. do you know what's in
there?
hanbot: you will learn not what you know you do not know, but what you do not know you do not know. and, most important, whether
there even is something
there you do not know or not.
trinque: eh
this isn't going
to
teach anyone anything
they wouldn't have learned running any other server farm. I and I'm sure several people already do, or have.
hanbot: asciilifeform, you have a very narrowly construed "explain
to me what
the learning benefit of X is".
this is not how my life experience worked out; if it were possible
to explain
to
the ignorant
the benefits of education, education itself would work very differently from how it actually works.
hanbot: asciilifeform: i'd
trust a gossipd operator
that'd also operated
the ircd bridge above one who hadn't, other
things being comparable.
BingoBoingo: There's likely logistics lessons
to be learned.
Timings necessary
to keep conenctions open and other
tcp weird.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, do you mean
that a person who made and ran
this multi-bridge infrastructure across how many irc networks has gained no useful knowledge for running a gossipd-based service?
diana_coman: what
the
troubles are in practice; note
that I'm not
talking about "bake glue" but rather a full run servers
diana_coman: at any rate,
the move + multi-network wrapper approach seems
to me like an excellent way for one
to learn and be in a prime position for gossipd really
BingoBoingo: Alarm's been
tripped. Warning light stays lit until every Buckingham Palace occupant
takes a
traffic cone up
the ass.
BingoBoingo: Well,
they had
the good sense
to keep it linked on
their front page after
the Snowden leaks made it
to "GHCQ fucking with IRC"
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 06:10
trinque: on second
thought, lets not go
to efnet. 'tis a silly place.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-12 18:43 hanbot:
http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/ << i'm for moving, seeing no compelling reason
to stay. pinging asciilifeform ave1 ben_vulpes bingoboingo danielpbarron diana_coman lobbes mod6 phf spyked
trinque for inputs.
diana_coman:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-12#1901514 -> I'm for moving;
the only reason for staying was being busy with
tending
to other fires
that burnt worse but freenode seems
to be burning worse and worse lately anyway; a multi-network bridge sounds best in my opinion but I don't really know how much work needs
to be put in
to get
that.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-08-04 22:05 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc i proposed at one
time an intermediate item on
the way
to proper gossipd ( 'serpent'-ciphered
tunneler
to connect coupla ircd instances
to each other, and ditto for users ( get otp cookie a la deedbot, get a key
that's good for 1
tcp connect ) but so far instead followed mircea_popescu's advice re not wasting sweat on such a
thing, but pushing with ffa so as
to get with what
to gossipd.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-04 22:08 asciilifeform:
this being said, i personally would prefer exodus from fleanode
to happen on our schedule, rather
than in
the wake of a catastrophic drop of it into complete unusability.
BingoBoingo: Gotta
take notes while
the reading is fresh
BingoBoingo: Well, gotta do something during
the waiting.
BingoBoingo: "El impacto fue registrado por las cámaras de seguridad" << It is a great shame
that video isn't out yet
trinque: interesting question, what happens when I crank
the parallelism
to 11, go find out why dont you.
trinque: no, I'm not saying "this ritual is how you avoid
the bad". I'm saying
that cranking
the number of parallel jobs will reveal whether builds rely on implicit race-condition ordering, vs having been written correctly with
the whole dependency graph of
the build expressed in makefile.
PeterL: so you mean it is less likely
to have bugs pop up if I lower
the number?
PeterL: ah,
thanks asciilifeform.
PeterL: trinque: I am looking at building Cuntoo. Quick question: would
there be anything detrimental
to having MAKEOPTS set
too high? (I see it is set
to -j8 at one point in
the script, but I only have 2 processors?)
nicoleci: yeah i can see
that how useless
to entertain
the past. even so, not sure on
the resolve of managing
the abundance of how much i need
to learn and how little i know.