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a111: Logged on 2017-12-14 22:51 phf: hmm, there's a bit of complexity there as far as producing files/directories shuffle, which might take longer, but i'll start with paring things down. i haven't yet seen diff/patch sources closely!
a111: Logged on 2017-12-14 22:49 mircea_popescu: phf so basically this is cropping down nicely after all. proper vpatch (fixing mod6 's bane, the empty dir thing) + proper vdiff (hash-based preprocessing of rename/move + proper use of @@...@@ + keccak hashing).
asciilifeform: aha phf, it
a111: Logged on 2016-09-12 17:26 phf: asciilifeform: are you using breadboarded/soldered version, or you ended up printing the pcb too for the keyboard controller?
mircea_popescu: phf so basically this is cropping down nicely after all. proper vpatch (fixing mod6 's bane, the empty dir thing) + proper vdiff (hash-based preprocessing of rename/move + proper use of @@...@@ + keccak hashing). ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: phf any word on specifically http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751612 ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: incidentally mircea_popescu , phf , consider a particular cut : suppose that ( otherwise unchanged ) diff format did not mention paths at all, only hashes. and there is a separate section, 'manifest', that is table of hashes to paths. during press, the latter is eaten and traditional unix dir appears.
mircea_popescu: phf interesting
asciilifeform: phf: consider posting example ?
asciilifeform: you could in phf's unified-namespace thing, but i dun see how else otherwise
mircea_popescu: phf no such thing as empty lines. put a fucking comment in there.
mircea_popescu: phf because it's the logical way for it to work
mircea_popescu: phf yeah ?
mircea_popescu: phf sure, and subsistence hunting has two things that it can do, throw rock or jab spear. this is in line with it being an occupation of idiots invented by idiotws.
mircea_popescu: phf and in that diff is designed by turkeys.
phf: actually phf-shiva-swank is still broken in the experimental patchset, because it was produced by vdiff/patch combination (vdiff made some claims of shasums, which patch didn't verify. the fact that i should've verified the press is a different question)
a111: Logged on 2017-12-14 19:42 mircea_popescu: phf are you amenable to re-writing diff btw ? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747792 is going to happen later this year, and v-immutability is a pita.
mircea_popescu: phf are you amenable to re-writing diff btw ? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747792 is going to happen later this year, and v-immutability is a pita. ☝︎☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-14 16:13 phf: rs~ might a little bit more meaning out of the press namespace. one pill to satisfy later group of people would be to come up with a filesystem hierarchy standard, i.e. you always press at the same root, but you're pressing into a tmsr namespace. so it'll be /bin/bitcoin/... /lib/mpi/...
a111: Logged on 2017-12-14 15:51 asciilifeform: phf: given example works with my vtron, oughta equally work with mod6's. and does the job (both from vtronic genealogy pov, and gnumake's -- the latter (see the makefile of my faux 'eucrypt') recurses updir ) the 1 down-side is aesthetics.
asciilifeform: also oughta satisfy mircea_popescu's 'there was 1 genesis' item. because under phf's unification, there in fact ~was~ , created an empty universe with a 'bitcoin' dir.
asciilifeform: i like phf's unification idea. even if it means that at some point i gotta regrind fg-genesis.
asciilifeform: phf: how inside ? they're sibling dirs
asciilifeform: iirc all of the v-releases, to date, are already dir-siblings in phf's hypothetical tmsr-rootdir.
asciilifeform: but, observe, phf's scheme could easily work, and require afaik no regrinds
asciilifeform: phf: sad indeed, and afaik unfixable without sending gnupatch/gnudiff to where they belong -- into the oven.
asciilifeform: i'ma leave it for diana_coman , mod6 , phf , mircea_popescu , et al, to consider which pill is less barfatronic, and possibly conceive of another.
asciilifeform: if phf , or anyone else, can think of a 3rd ( that is, one that actually preserves the v-genealogy , rather than idiot-cut-and-pastism ) i'm all ears.
asciilifeform: phf: given example works with my vtron, oughta equally work with mod6's. and does the job (both from vtronic genealogy pov, and gnumake's -- the latter (see the makefile of my faux 'eucrypt') recurses updir ) the 1 down-side is aesthetics. ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: this is the basic insanity of gnupatch. a proper vpatch ought to see that the hashes are the same incoming and outgoing , and Do The Right Thing without the idiot spew
mircea_popescu: phf incidentally, what's the definition of tov popov ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751173 << same protocol as everybody uses for their original sigs -- just put'em somewhere people can see'em , they'll end up in phf's thing ☝︎
asciilifeform: phf: naturally same computer.
asciilifeform: phf: i had somewhat different kind of 'pusher' in re gamez -- elder brother whose machine it was, and strictly rationed
mircea_popescu: phf apparently http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750670 exaggeration then ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: phf i recently mastered captain comic with my sister. we used to play it (she shot) when she was like...5 ; then we ACTUALLY managed to finish it, for the first time ever. she was more like 25.
mircea_popescu: phf yeah but this sounds like 486 fare
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:30 phf: asciilifeform: i actually bought, at some point, at "garbushka" bazaar, a cd with a psychedelic design, that had an entire collection of all kinds of "computernarcotic" softwares
mircea_popescu: phf yeah but odessa is not moscow :D
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:29 phf: apropos, i was always curious if that old school binaural sound generator program from the late 90s could be used to pacify children, but never had a chance to try
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:23 phf: clearly, it meditates on the child's behalf
mircea_popescu: phf word. numerous stories, as far as eu was concerned, us were a sort of you know, haitians.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:32 phf: ben_vulpes: have considering buying him a commodore or somesuch, i.e. a basic repl machine that you can also use to teach him about the meaning of peek/poke?
ben_vulpes: phf: haw no but looks grand
ben_vulpes: phf: some day perhaps, he is well occupied learning to make me breakfast and working on his basic numeracy at the moment
asciilifeform: phf: lol, remember 'computernarcotic' ?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-11 17:00 phf: BingoBoingo: you just need to wear one of those texan cowboy hats
BingoBoingo: phf: They may confuse it with a panama hat. For a nominally latin country I am somehow more tan on the exposed areas of my skin than many of the local adult males.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-10 14:56 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-10#1749235 << nobody has solved the bootstrapping problem. every time you touch a system that's in any way attempts to not be a c-machine you run into that issue
BingoBoingo: <phf> i think this is the happiest i've seen BingoBoingo ever << This would not be inaccurate
asciilifeform: iirc phf had one of these in usa
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf consider sharing your ada parser, i'd like to make a clickable-keywords hyperlinked thing at some point
a111: Logged on 2017-12-09 01:36 phf: also added gpr and adc to get colorized as ada
a111: Logged on 2017-12-09 01:36 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748872 << http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch2_logicals thanks for letting me know
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-09#1749023 << ty phf ! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 20:27 asciilifeform: !~later tell phf plox to update patchviewer with ch2 at your earliest convenience
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf plox to update patchviewer with ch2 at your earliest convenience ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 11:24 mircea_popescu: mod6 mind adding the "no clearsigned material in patches -- you got the .sig for that" and "no '--- ' anywhere, you have been warned" rules to it ; and phf / everyone mind making it stick ?
diana_coman: phf, thanks!
asciilifeform: phf: or in the sad part of timis.
diana_coman: phf, fixed, thank you!
asciilifeform: when drawn in phf's viewer, this will appear as a graph with two genesisen. which mircea_popescu seems to have allergy for, for some reason. but there is nothing outrageous mechanically about it.
mircea_popescu: mod6 mind adding the "no clearsigned material in patches -- you got the .sig for that" and "no '--- ' anywhere, you have been warned" rules to it ; and phf / everyone mind making it stick ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( and phf prolly also, he has a convenient place for this )
asciilifeform: to to diana_coman , mod6 , mircea_popescu , phf , for their sweat .
asciilifeform: btw phf your cure is not curative
asciilifeform: i'ma upload a signed phf-cured second_cut presently, if no one can think of a reason not to
asciilifeform: phf is entirely right. it is broken exactly as in the earlier '+++' case
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/PNipc/?raw=true << what phf did. for reference.
asciilifeform: phf: i see what you did. but how would you modify vdiff to actually produce this ?
mircea_popescu: phf since you're offering...
asciilifeform: phf: specifically ?
asciilifeform: phf mircea_popescu mod6 et al any of you lot want to propose wat-do in this particular case ?
asciilifeform: phf: classical v does not touch these or attempt to use'em for anything.
asciilifeform: phf: can you come up with a pill that doesn't break ada comments ?
asciilifeform: phf: this is entirely correct. i dun see how it contradicts what i said however.
asciilifeform: i'm all ears, phf . but my current understanding is that the problem is in that vdiff cannot eat arbitrary 7bitclean ascii files.
asciilifeform: phf: hm?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-06 22:05 phf: if you just run a diff -uNr on the two readmes, the resultant patch works. if you run a diff on the resulting patch and the vpatch in the tar, then you can see that there's something wrong with the vpatch specifically
asciilifeform: phf how the hell did this get eaten by your vtron
asciilifeform: ( and fwiw phf pressed and built the demo year+ ago )
asciilifeform: ^^^ mod6 , diana_coman , mircea_popescu , phf , et al ^^^
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747462 << don't want to step on phf's toes here; he's operating the logger and v-patch viewer ☝︎
asciilifeform: phf: if you had some code in your patch viewer to eat this type of horror, as 'special case', it is now a good time to throw it out
asciilifeform: ^ mod6 , diana_coman , mircea_popescu , phf , et al
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform phf pluriously said he's doing it by hand for now ; i see no problem with this. correct procedure would thereby be to ping him with items
asciilifeform: phf's is 'too liberal'.
asciilifeform: phf's vtron apparently is clever, and able to eat both types.
mircea_popescu: so then why is it on eg phf's site
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just as soon as someone puts a patch on top of it, the trees will diverge and then phf can exclude the legacy one or w/e it is he does to them
asciilifeform: since that item i've avoided stuffing'em into tarballs, it doesn't help but often trips up various automated items like phf's
asciilifeform: genesis was posted from the day my article was written, phf
asciilifeform: now i recall also that phf had some trouble at first eating the thing, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1739113 and elsewhere. but i can't seem to find in the log whether he ever said what the problem was, and how fixed. ☝︎
asciilifeform: pretty strange, mine and phf's vtrons ate it up without complaint, e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=mpi
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 04:15 ben_vulpes: phf, asciilifeform: any experience with "mocl"?
ben_vulpes: phf, asciilifeform do you know anything about "Wukix" the lisp system author(s)?
mircea_popescu: phf ic!
mircea_popescu: phf http://logs.bvulpes.com/search?q=%E5%92%8C%E6%88%91%E4%B8%80%E8%B5%B7%EF%BC%8C%E9%82%A3%E6%98%AF%E4%BD%A0%E7%9A%84%E5%A9%8A%E5%AD%90%E6%8E%B4%E4%BD%A0%E8%BF%9B%E7%9B%91%E7%8B%B1%EF%BC%8C%E5%B9%B6%E4%B8%8E%E6%89%80%E6%9C%89%E7%9A%84%E6%B0%91%E6%97%8F%E7%96%AF%E4%BA%BA%E9%99%A2&c=trilema natively, at that.
mircea_popescu: hey phf : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-11#1581153 but http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=learned+a+chinese and especially http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%E5%92%8C%E6%88%91 ☝︎
lobbes: phf: Guess I should've inquired beforehand; would've saved myself some work with the historical walk :P