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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> is there some rule that "experts" in anglosphere must be ludicrously inept at their chosen expertise, as per their own lights ? << Yes, if every "expert" sucks then tournament market doesn't need a very sweet pot for the winrar.
asciilifeform: https://justpaste.it/19ha << 2.4GHz, not quite as spiffy, but with pretty picturez.
asciilifeform: 'That night, I threw a wild tantrum, screaming and crying for hours on end. I had the whole apartment to myself, so there was no one there to hear me. I raged at the entire world, thrashing at my bed with my wooden practice sword and slashing at the air with my pocket knife. I even downed an entire bottle of wine, and got so drunk that I spilled my wine all over my laptop, permanently destroying it. I soaked my pillow with tears as I
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the land of orlols, 'From a diplomatic perspective, it would be much more tidy to treat the problem of war criminals running the US as an internal, American political problem, to be solved by Americans themselves, with an absolute minimum of outside help. This would best be accomplished through a bit of friendly, neighborly intelligence-sharing, letting all interested parties within the US know who exactly should be hel
mircea_popescu: which is the original point of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523089 : if for whatever reason you're unwilling to bias against pangloss, notwithstanding that this is both shown by experience to be a most productive, useful and eficacious heuristic as well as deductively sound ; nevertheless at the very least you can't bias FOR it. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the problem here is moreover default trust. so you wake up one day and you see... "gnupg". nomina nuda. you look around, theres' "werner koch" idem, nomina nuda. you look, there's "tor" with "shari" and "isis". names, hollow as can be. but the natural tendency of the brain, to see movement in a succession of stills and meaning in noise and structure in names convinces you these are THINGS. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: is there some rule that "experts" in anglosphere must be ludicrously inept at their chosen expertise, as per their own lights ?
asciilifeform: the 'let's copy gut bacteria of tribe x' thing is then reminiscent of the early days of blood transfusion, when it was tried as a crackpot cure for just about everything.
asciilifeform: ning sky. With my hands under my hips – and butt perched against a large rock for support – I peddled an imaginary upside down bicycle in the air to pass the time as I struggled to make sure my new gut ecosystem stayed put inside me.'
asciilifeform: 'AS THE SUN set over Lake Eyasi in Tanzania, nearly thirty minutes had passed since I had inserted a turkey baster into my bum and injected the feces of a Hadza man – a member of one of the last remaining hunter-gatherers tribes in the world – into the nether regions of my distal colon. I struggled to keep my legs in the air with my toes pointing towards what I thought was the faint outline of the Southern Cross rising in the eve
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: apparently i fail yet again as educator.
asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2016/08/noodle-bricks-overtaking-smokes-as-us-prison-currency-standard/#comment-67884 << related.
phf: http://qntra.net/2016/08/noodle-bricks-overtaking-smokes-as-us-prison-currency-standard/ << ramen is main ingredient in spread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sv4nb5VbAY
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/08/noodle-bricks-overtaking-smokes-as-us-prison-currency-standard/ << Qntra - Noodle Bricks Overtaking Smokes As US Prison Currency Standard
pete_dushenski admits to being confused as to latest qntra title
phf: pretty much everyone here was subjected to dpb's harsh judgement at one point or another, as is right and proper, he keeps us in check
phf: dating is the same kind of sorting as choosing between coke and pepsi at a grocery store
asciilifeform: phf: even as late as late '90s, machines with such 'feel' were made. ☟︎
asciilifeform: this'd be the folks who use'em as coffee tables, neh ?
phf: this looks as outdoorsy as SUVs are designed for sport
BingoBoingo: What you submitted at this time however was not that. You presented the signed block as basically "take this as what it is" and "here are other people doubting it" leaving unrepublican b00bs to wonder wtf?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: There's prolly a way to rewrite what you submitted to news it up, but as you presented it it wasn't news. Maybe a "look how unlucky this guy is" angle would help? All those misfortunes may very well involve malice on the part of persons other than him. Such an angle could be very newsy.
asciilifeform: note that i no longer intend to use mpi for anything. it was posted as a deautomakeification demo.
asciilifeform: there is such a thing as minimal hygienic standard.
asciilifeform: as discussed on numerous occasions.
asciilifeform: (the pill against 'omfg, this has never before crashed', sad as it is, is generally to rewind version again and again...)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no , no, the ones that appear manually cranked are just the same 3-4 bots "sold" on "underground forums", but with exceptionally inept operators. such as ahmed.
mircea_popescu: you'll laugh, but the point is not so much untinkable as not valuable. ~all of them, if actually given access, will happily post links "for google to see" and that's all.
asciilifeform: phf: i guessed as much.
mircea_popescu: phf they prolly put you behind cloudflare/homebrewed equivalent as a service or somesuch.
asciilifeform: and the solution was somehow seen as 'make armoured propeller'
asciilifeform: bitcoin as it is reminds me, more than anything, of the french aerial machine gun during ww1
mircea_popescu: best i can discern two things : 1) derp wanted to discourage old coinbases accumulating (had intuition about the blockchain bloat didn't want to address or know how to) ; 2) fees would have been HUGE early on without this, as in, "fuck you, you wanna transact it's 50 cents. i dun care your 1k btc is enough for a pizza slice ie 2 bux"
mircea_popescu: yes, the proposition that "sane answer" === "i made a mistake" necessarily implies that as a precursor.
mircea_popescu: do that and let them starve, it'll count as a job well done.
asciilifeform: i read it as a boy, it was brainmelting
asciilifeform: is being 'helped' by kako as we speak, likely. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-22 11:43 jurov: noone can't ever use vanilla autotools and ftjam as documented. it's absolute necessity to prove own intelligence and DRY-adherence by creatively rigging the build system.
asciilifeform: if you want to 'include derps' (and the result will be EVERY bit as ugly as every other occasion when someone insisted on attempt to 'include' them) distribute binaries.
jurov: you always use the most immaterial point and use it as counterargument "phee jurov doesn't want to clean his guns manually"
a111: Logged on 2016-08-18 22:32 asciilifeform: 'The situation is somewhat akin to a retarded girlfriend trying to flood your apartment, that not only opens all the faucets and stops all the drains, but also takes the "extremely clever" measure of puncturing the water pipes, so she can then preciously inform you that "turning off the faucets won't help" and you must work with her to somehow create a raft out of your widescreen TV so as to navigate the marshy terrain that used to b
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526624 << this, as all attempts to solve a 'tv raft' problem, is EVIL. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-22 03:02 mircea_popescu: basically, seems to me most, or at least a good chunk of autoconf problems as described by alf come from the fact that it tries to parse, rather than compile. in the abstract sense of these terms.
asciilifeform: it isn't as if assbot-l1 wasn't a manually-curated artifact.
asciilifeform: the other option of course is to do it as mircea_popescu described, and to have NO canonical vpatch repo at all, and 'every man for himself.'
a111: Logged on 2016-08-22 09:35 jurov: it can stay as a historical record, but it's currently frozen with #b-a wot and redoing wot synchronization is exactly such kind of nontrivial change
asciilifeform: 'OK, so I figured out one part of the puzzle I think: dbus-daemon is broken handling incoming messages where there's first a message without auxiliary fd in the socket buffer, which is then immediately followed by one with auxiliary fd. The kernel will already return the auxiliary fd with the first message, and dbus-daemon takes that as broken message and will abort the connection.' -- poettering.
jurov: noone can't ever use vanilla autotools and ftjam as documented. it's absolute necessity to prove own intelligence and DRY-adherence by creatively rigging the build system. ☟︎
jurov: it can stay as a historical record, but it's currently frozen with #b-a wot and redoing wot synchronization is exactly such kind of nontrivial change ☟︎
phf: fwiw trb and eulora have opposite goals as far as exposure
mircea_popescu: except it will appear to, for a briefd interval at first. then it will create friction between purists and inclusionists, which is just about as dumb drama as livejournal disputes.
mircea_popescu: basically, seems to me most, or at least a good chunk of autoconf problems as described by alf come from the fact that it tries to parse, rather than compile. in the abstract sense of these terms. ☟︎
asciilifeform: as trb does.
asciilifeform: as trb does.
mircea_popescu: phf yeah. i have a problem in that i want to impose eulora as standard for republic code ; but nevertheless automake IS a humongo pile of perl.
asciilifeform: as seen in my mpi item earlier.
phf: that's as clean as i can get it in a single pass http://107.170.141.103/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/gnupg.diff
asciilifeform: often sold as 'tab welder' tool.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-21 01:06 mircea_popescu: the song goes "uite-asa as vrea sa mor, cu paharul linga mine, cu cobzarul linga mine, intr-o crisma din obor, sa scriu cind o fi momentul cu vin rosu testamentul. sa-i tragem o betie de pomina sa fie"
mircea_popescu: eh. they're ~as ineffectual as could be.
asciilifeform: phf: koch, drepper, weimer (yes, i shit thee not, all three participated, grep for them in the credits) took great care to make this job as painful as can be.
phf: asciilifeform: do you have a gnupg1 version, that can be used as a trb-like base? i want to go through an execise of reading a diff between some version that can be relied on with all the disclaimers and whatever's in the trunk
danielpbarron: so invalid address is a thing like nlock is a thing. What is the republic's take on that? I know nlock isn't well regarded, but what is the harm in rejecting invalid address? or is there no such thing as an invalid address?
phf: william gibson predicted everything, i claim as far as futurists go, he's been on point for a few decades now
znort987: or more practically, is there a page where the wot as used in #trilema can be explored ?
znort987: after the great schism, was the wot forked as well ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not even sure. the decay was evident in the 90s. might as well say the berlin wall falling did its damage.
BingoBoingo: Well that's because Facebook, dying as it is did its damage.
BingoBoingo prefered quiet desk drinking as is in the logs.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-21 00:53 phf: russians have a concept for it, "квасить" to drink socially in a controlled manner. failure at квас is seen as a character flaw. a grownup is supposed to go be able to go at it for like 5-6 hours without the embarrassing "passing out face first into the salad" eventual outcome. when you're in your 30s, you should be able to do it for 5-6 hours, then be able to freshen up and do work, etc.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: alf or jurov might appreciate the benefits they recieve from serving as an object of your worship just so long as you ask nicely. Both have long histories of lording.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Higher power is an intentionally vague term. Any of the other lords of TMSR would probably be happy to serve as your higher power if you ask nicely.
mircea_popescu: the song goes "uite-asa as vrea sa mor, cu paharul linga mine, cu cobzarul linga mine, intr-o crisma din obor, sa scriu cind o fi momentul cu vin rosu testamentul. sa-i tragem o betie de pomina sa fie" ☟︎
phf: russians have a concept for it, "квасить" to drink socially in a controlled manner. failure at квас is seen as a character flaw. a grownup is supposed to go be able to go at it for like 5-6 hours without the embarrassing "passing out face first into the salad" eventual outcome. when you're in your 30s, you should be able to do it for 5-6 hours, then be able to freshen up and do work, etc. ☟︎
BingoBoingo kinda envies those who can do sobriety as a part time thing. And russians who can be sober even while drinking.
mircea_popescu: and that rather goes for you too : the log is here to make you less stupid. spend at least 100x as much reading it as you spend writing into it, and certainly do not eat anything in any day you've not read at least a thousand lines.
mircea_popescu: "On Thursday following their acquisition by Univision, Gawker media announced that their former flagship Gawker.com would be shuttered next week." << lol. "all the 'jouralists' have been reclassified as actresses (which is what they always hoped for anyway), playing ugly betty in the 194 unilever sitcoms currently under production. this translates to a 85% pay increase across the board, and their spoken lines will be drastica
mod6: But yeah, will certainly be reviewing those and regrinding them as needed if they pass the vetting process and are added to the tree.
phf: mod6: i don't think you understood what we were saying, but certainly nobody's expecting you to grind vpatches as a "service to others", so please don't
mod6: and i guess furthermore, if it's needed for me to regrind these four vpatches as a service for others...
mod6: so if i see the "dump priv key" patch out there on btcbase or found somewhere else (it's not included in the patches in thebitcoin.foundation's site), then i'd pull that vpatch down, regrind it myself, and place it into patches where I can apply it myself as a "WILD" patch.
mod6: <+phf> asciilifeform: i did, he said something about "this being work in progress and don't want to commit" or somesuch << i could regrind them, yeah. ideally, each who want to use these unexamined items should do so on their own accord, placing them in their patches directory as a "WILD" patch. Until the day when the foundation moves forward and folds them in after examination and testing. ☟︎
mod6: <+phf> there's periodically things that claim to be vpatches, but they don't have genesis. i think a notable example of that is v.pl, which has been published as v.pl, and then followed up by vpatches that are supposed to superseded each other rather than form a chain. generally i've seen that pattern a lot, people publish something, than publish a second vpatch, that doesn't build on previous vpatch, but su
asciilifeform: just as with electric grid, which is imperfect, but NOTHING the konsooomer can to do HIS mains socket, will burn down entire city.
phf: so i think mircea_popescu has alergy to broken thinking, which is there plenty. retrofitting "equivalent solution" in this case is going to mask the fact that the process was not v, but something else entirely made to look like v post factum. you might as well export git history into v patches
mircea_popescu: i'm sure he will ; but the important point here is not that as much as the principle of teh thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, as usual, is choking on allergens that aren't actually here.
mircea_popescu: and wtf with the argumentum ad populum. i care "what people do" about as much as i care about "probable results"
mircea_popescu: there's places for flexibility ; but this isn't one. i dun even wanna think about "creative" solutions such as "retrocreate a genesis". just god damned it already, take the code, sign it, and then patch on the basis of that.
mircea_popescu: the point is to use it as such.
phf: there's periodically things that claim to be vpatches, but they don't have genesis. i think a notable example of that is v.pl, which has been published as v.pl, and then followed up by vpatches that are supposed to superseded each other rather than form a chain. generally i've seen that pattern a lot, people publish something, than publish a second vpatch, that doesn't build on previous vpatch, but supposed to replace it
mircea_popescu: "and as it isn't ready or willing to allow clients to cash out... BANKING IS NOT A TAX (says the SCROTUK)
asciilifeform: 'Some big corporate clients of Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS.L) face the prospect of paying to hold deposits with the bank from Monday as it becomes the first lender in Britain to charge negative interest rates.'
mircea_popescu: i have eight sets of "sb" (solid branch) : 503 q 222 ; 1466 q 3 ; 973 q 207 ; 983 q 252 ; 1651 q 258 ; 2963 q 189 ; 563 q 22 and 336 q 225. the first number is the count, the second the quality (depends on your mining, whatever) ; you can mix these, the game will floor the average quality. this means you can lose matter through mixing, so you want to mix stacks so as to obtain the highest possible quality final. ☟︎☟︎
covertress: as I've spent a very busy few sleepless days/nights out of the country, I'll say my goodnights now
asciilifeform: i'd be quite surprised if any of the participants (other than, perhaps, koch) even suspected there were any such thing as us.
shinohai: I see trilema as first result
mircea_popescu: their very tpical hockey sticks machines work just as well over climate data as they work over washing machine readings.
asciilifeform: y be loosely described as 'MIT keyserver meets blockchain'. '
asciilifeform: and who won't love 'As far as the conference program goes, the Mesh may be considered as a proposal to replace/augment the existing OpenPGP key server infrastructure with a new one that provides support for multiple PKI based applications and trust models. ... The Mesh makes it easy for a user to transfer an email configuration from one machine to another and offers to automatically configure OpenPGP ... service whose architecture ma