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mircea_popescu: there ~may~ be some optimizations that can be applied as-is to turn a jfs into something more appropriate for bitcoining than the "middle of the road" setting it ships with.

asciilifeform: if the entire fs is subject to random rot, as it would be without synced writes, then yes.

asciilifeform: may as well run the entire node from ramdisk

asciilifeform: if mining were not an intrinsically heathen activity, 'closed network' would solve the 'allcomers' problem. but as i currently understand, it'd simply ~move~ it.

asciilifeform: leading to very similar picture as today's.

asciilifeform: let's picture that whole deedbot l1 subscribes. the folx who run public/exposed node, so as to soak up blocks from heathen miners -- will be the ones to blackhole.

asciilifeform: very concretely: all enemy has to do, to gum up a trb node, is to repeatedly request blocks from 0 .. current, randomly, and switch ips as needed

mircea_popescu: the one during the original split with the idiots who were there baptised as power rangers

asciilifeform: bitcoin as we have it, is almost the antithesis of 'tape problem', the ultimate in random access, to the point that it makes disk cache ~useless, every tx can depend on literally any block from 0 to current

asciilifeform: i suspect fs-as-db will have same problem as the ancient shitdb

mircea_popescu: which can be briefly summarized as "alf : omg all blackhole is disk wait for db ; mp : thatr's a factor, there's more" repeated a dozen times.

mircea_popescu: that specific sort of retard is specified as follows : "i heard about bitcoin yesterday, and i have a solution!".

asciilifeform: for as long as the enemy is able to keep up the 'gimme, gimme, gimme' flood of 'ahahaha, you're giving something to allcomers! well where's mine'

asciilifeform: we start with where 454862 was received, and (in record time, as it was tiny) accepted.

deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/02/major-us-socialist-party-experiences-first-contested-chair-contest-in-decades-as-internal-divisions-grow/ << Qntra - Major US Socialist Party Experiences First Contested Chair Contest In Decades As Internal Divisions Grow

danielpbarron: a re-occurring cost? like having to replace tools as they wear?

asciilifeform: are same, for this purpose, as nulls, neh

asciilifeform: ( today a miner can occupy as much of youts and my disk with shit tx, as he wants )

asciilifeform: possibly it makes more sense to think of the hypothetical 'god fee' as a ~punishment~ of tx-ignoring miners, rather than a payment to relayers.

trinque: the perverse incentive to do this ought to diminish over time as things are

asciilifeform: so long as remaining coin is ~infinitely divisible -- not problem

asciilifeform: btw i suspect that 'tx must include a micro libation to the gods' -- i.e. a leak -- is a necessary component of 'hard vacuum', 0socialism trbi as discussed earlier

a111: Logged on 2017-01-17 00:21 asciilifeform: to possibly squeeze something useful from thread: as i understand, a lamport-based 'trb-i' ~could~ run on z80.

asciilifeform: (i will leave the proof as exercise)

asciilifeform: so as i understand it, the pictured scheme in all cases makes enemy's work no easier than it is now.

asciilifeform: the other thing is, 'fallback' is a marketable ( per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1618260 ) service. you can post a bond with somebody, and he gives you a fresh addr that you can use as fallback (if you drink it - he drinks up your bond, which is presumably more valuable than the addr amt.) ☝︎

asciilifeform: 'Remember that most of these """journalists""" grew up either during Watergate or in its shadow, and so it's hardly surprising that they see the role of the press as some kind of unelected fourth branch of government whose job is to "take down" the President, if all else fails. Bernstein and Woodward are their gods.'

asciilifeform: well you would use a virginal pile of coin as the cosigner

a111: Logged on 2017-02-16 16:16 asciilifeform: 'Security expert and doomsayer Bruce Schneier – speaking by video owing to RSA Conference commitments in San Francisco and perhaps prescience with regard to seasonal travel challenges – predicted that the government is coming to handcuff coders. "We all had this special right to code the world as we saw fit," said Schneier. "My guess is we're going to lose that right, because it's too dangerous

mircea_popescu: this is what i'm saying, anyway. " what we don't really have is the stuff that we really need, such as debottlers."

asciilifeform: ( if huckster can sell piss-cum-ink to chumps as 'elixir of immortality' -- is this a bug in piss? or in ink ? that he can do this )

asciilifeform: that it was able to masquerade as 'contest prize', is not really a bug in bitcoin

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as in, 'fuck you, i won't relay this, your addr ends with my auschwitz tatoo number' ?)

asciilifeform: i am at a loss as to how this problem is solvable in general case. aside from mircea_popescu's answer to my 'panopticon' thread, 'don't get caught in a jar!'

asciilifeform: there are as many 'bitcoin nets', theoretically, as there are nodes

mircea_popescu: what we don't really have is the stuff that we really need, such as debottlers.

trinque: mircea_popescu: right, register in this case would write a pubkey somewhere once, and always use that as the nick:key association

mircea_popescu: trinque my concern was more in the vein of, i don't want deedbot to answer with an item crafted as described to a !!key command

mircea_popescu: if the network worked as you describe, i'd have had to choose on which network i wish to spend.

mircea_popescu: under a bitcoin as you describe, 2015 gavincoin'd have had better chances.

mircea_popescu: see, the fact that you don't have txn as you describe is what allowed me the "you will die if you fork" threat last year : i don't have to know jack about their chain to murder their chain.

mircea_popescu: somewhat in the same way a retarded child who buys things but always ends up using them as if they were icecream doesn't thereby realise he's retarded.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1618154 << it's so funny, at least to me, the sheer wastage of resources usg oligarchs engage in. they keep buying things, which they don't understand, on the expectation that "we;ll find a use for them". they do. it's ALWAYS the same one. somehow the fact that i know in advance what it'll be doesn't inform them as to their horrible strategic position. ☝︎

asciilifeform: locking problems (gotta add tx to index, in current trb, as aggregate -- but the only way to do that is to stop the world! like complete idiot -- every time there is a new block, to prevent situation where there is a partially indexed block available to incoming mempool tx verifier) disappear.

asciilifeform: ( but as i described, you can make it protocolically impossible, by demanding parent's hash )

asciilifeform: danielpbarron: if this is desirable -- then can use scheme as described. otherwise can also require ~hash~ of the antecedent of the wanted-block.

asciilifeform: and mempool contents would have natural lifespans, as they presently do not.

asciilifeform: (alternatively, could require that a tx include a 'i want to live in block N' value at birth! and if it doesn't get into N, it is invalid for all time. but this would have serious engineering tradeoff, 'canned' txen as discussed in old mircea_popescu article would be impossible.)

asciilifeform: a method of bitcoinating where you can actually get ~100% of the socialism out (as contemplated in, e.g., the gossip threads) would, i suspect, be a similar jump.

asciilifeform: as nonsocialism themepark, if you will

asciilifeform: as well as abolish 'orphans', etc.

asciilifeform: 'stay up' is not same as 'all requests complete' neh

shinohai: Interesting trilema article mircea_popescu ... twitter actually locked my account twice this week over the "auto" stuff, which they refer to as suspicious account activity.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho the smart thing to do with bad olde gpg is to use it as demonstrated in my original vtron -- sans keyring.

thestringpuller: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1617872 << In world of warcraft alliance and horde factions couldn't talk to each other. So as an alliance player if someone in the horde typed "lol" it would come out "kek". nostalgia :| ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-02-25 01:32 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the southern poverty law center (mildly famous lefty oppression tools from the 60s) lists "kek" as a dangerous nazy paraphenalia.

scriba: ssh banner of 183.246.73.7 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-1.99-Comware-5.20

scriba: ssh banner of 112.16.4.21 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-1.99-Comware-5.20

scriba: ssh banner of 183.246.69.24 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-1.99-Comware-5.20

a111: Logged on 2017-02-25 01:32 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the southern poverty law center (mildly famous lefty oppression tools from the 60s) lists "kek" as a dangerous nazy paraphenalia.

mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the southern poverty law center (mildly famous lefty oppression tools from the 60s) lists "kek" as a dangerous nazy paraphenalia. ☟︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: girls engage in this sort of fatty grooming as a shit test. if you agree with her that her fat friend also deserves "a life" aka someone to pay for her children, perhaps you should.

pete_dushenski: shinohai: i notice that same 'st9bad_alloc' error on vps node with some frequency as well but never on dedibox. not sure if it's a clock / timing issue but that's my best guess.

mircea_popescu: moreover with a little care you can actually fingerprint for things such as "does this node have a tunnel to another one" in this manner.

mircea_popescu: http://archive.is/jaM2c in other things that just happen and aren't anybody's fault, also known as "inept our democracy diplomacy"

asciilifeform: i got the thing profiling as we speak.

deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/02/fire-in-the-security-theater-cloudflare-leaks-as-sha1-broken/ << Qntra - Fire In The Security Theater: Cloudflare Leaks As SHA1 Broken

mircea_popescu: or however long, ~same as visible length.

a111: Logged on 2017-02-21 20:30 asciilifeform: in other noose, as discussed earlier ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577994 ) >> https://archive.is/AVO23 << autodesk bought and destroyed 'eagle', the only fully functioning pcb cad for linux.

mircea_popescu: "The leaders of the Trump movement (the real leaders) are so disconnected from the media that most of us read every day, and from the information provided by the government, that they might as well be living in one of Jones’ alternate dimensions. To them, it’s 100% fiction, just shadows flickering on the wall of Plato’s cave. And, like the liberated cave dwellers, they’ve seen the outside, and they’ll never believe

mircea_popescu: it'd matter a lot more if "isaac simpson" could either hold a rifle or man a post. or for that matter make a serving of french fries without taking half an hour. but as it is...

mircea_popescu: can't say as i ahd.

scriba: ssh banner of 211.234.125.52 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9

scriba: ssh banner of 38.96.32.1 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9

scriba: ssh banner of 188.65.217.101 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9

ben_vulpes: content length here as well

ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-24#1617558 << this was a huge boon to me at one point as well ☝︎

asciilifeform: there's now 1 key for asciilifeform , from nao until gpg shitburial day ( same modulus as always )

phf: i kind of want a way to link useful assets to a patch on btcbase. right now if you have a readme.txt inside a patches folder you get that included as a prelude for a patchset (http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=fg). i think it would be handy to include wires over ssh link somewhere on the wires patch page..

scriba: ssh banner of 87.237.120.158 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9

scriba: ssh banner of 50.16.76.136 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's as braindamaged as northkr's linux distro. but seems like worked!

asciilifeform: can't help but wonder how much, or little, theirs resembles mine. just as brits wondered how much nazi 'freya' radar, resembled brit radar

asciilifeform: also mircea_popescu the 'node as paid service' thing now can actually exist.

asciilifeform: veen: let's try a historical angle. according to legend, emperor qin shi huangdi (same d00d as known for taking the 'immortality pill' and promptly croaking) had a palace with 1,500 rooms. and would not tell anyone in advance which one he plans to sleep in on a given night. and which ones he would put cutthroats in, ready to kill anyone who opens door. think 'minesweeper.' ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎

veen: is this new as of the SHA1 nooze yesterday?

mircea_popescu: so it may make sense as a convenience thing to symlink it to your fuckgoats tty. but don't expect you've now thereby fixed the system

asciilifeform: as opposed to 'just break /dev/random'

asciilifeform: on a unixline, FUCKGOATS shows up as a modem.

asciilifeform: veen: linux, by default. because it was dropped as a baby.

veen: be that as it may, we don't inhabit a world of sane programs

asciilifeform: or suppose you have -- as i recommend - three FUCKGOATSen.

mircea_popescu: turns out "the biftinex hack" was ~= same as "the mtgox blabla", ie usg ran off with the coins ?

asciilifeform: elsewhere, in re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-22#1616821 >> http://archive.is/QoAki << 'Google’s Jigsaw unit, as part of a larger effort to battle online trolling, said earlier today that it was releasing a new tool called Perspective, software that uses machine learning to detect harassment and abuse online.' ☝︎

mircea_popescu: it's not so much a toy as peter todd & friends are retards.

asciilifeform: th another 160-bit hash, such as RIPE-MD/160, for example.)'

asciilifeform: in other vintage lulz, 'Note also that unlike nearly every other OpenPGP subsystem, there are no parameters in the MDC system. It hard-defines SHA-1 as its hash function. This is not an accident. It is an intentional choice to avoid downgrade and cross-grade attacks while making a simple, fast system. (A downgrade attack would be an attack that replaced SHA-256 with SHA-1, for example. A cross-grade attack would replace SHA-1 wi

mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it's as real as it gets, why wouldn't it be real

asciilifeform: 'ain't git-cum-pgp as good as v..?' -- somebody or other