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phf: oh flag, lets you pass this stuff as a command line argument.. i guess this approach works too. i'm not sure why i can'
t just do message = string(dat) but i'm too lazy to figure it out
☟︎ phf: asciilifeform: i don'
t know how to go
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Haven'
t fed it through pantsuit.txt parser yet, will after sleeping
phf: asciilifeform: there's different kinds of optimizations. you can nail down the types and get a complete type signature of your code. i don'
t think there's any shame in it
mircea_popescu: haven'
t yet managed to pin down what teh absolute requirement list for a cycle is though.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there are other ways. they work better on the exact type of hash fhf isn'
t.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-04#1679092 << my current thinking is, the only way to resolve this within a lifetime is to see if a mpfhf cycle could be constructed. if it can, solved, if it provably can'
t then it is time&space finite, even as a statistical ceiling argument.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-07-04 14:46 asciilifeform: ( and currently suspect that you can construct one where it doesn'
t )
mircea_popescu: but the discussion here isn'
t "naive perception of item x as compared to naive perception of item y". that'll be biased by the direct interaction. the discussion is "industrial item x vs y".
mircea_popescu: well depends what you mean and what you're talking about. some people call their
http "transactions", and the "road ahead is clear" as they say to next propose mpex css ain'
t good enough to be nasdaq.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-04 14:15 phf: part of spec as far as i understand it, that the (fhf mp ...) part is a canonical, but not the only implementation. so yeah you could write optimal version of mp's fhf, but it's not going to speak the same dictionary, and you won'
t be necessarily able to apply same optimizations to other (fhf ...). (or i guess you can, but require more cleverness than just etc.)
mircea_popescu: "just tell me how large it ends up and stop wasting my time! WHAT THE FUCK IT CAN'
T BE KNOWN IN ADVANCE!"
phf: i wouldn'
t use it in my own code, but there are occasional cases where it "makes sense", particularly when you're writing potato code
phf: i wouldn'
t call it bitter, at least he didn'
t think of if* proponents as complete retards.
phf: part of spec as far as i understand it, that the (fhf mp ...) part is a canonical, but not the only implementation. so yeah you could write optimal version of mp's fhf, but it's not going to speak the same dictionary, and you won'
t be necessarily able to apply same optimizations to other (fhf ...). (or i guess you can, but require more cleverness than just etc.)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "oh but this wasn'
t really a trade" "it was an accepted tender!" "mmkay"
mircea_popescu: trades routinely get unwound. you call the shop, "do you have bananas ?" "yes we do". you come to shop, they don'
t. "Wtf!" "Someone bougth them!"
mircea_popescu: i don'
t even specifically remember, was years ago. but im sure there was a good reason.
mircea_popescu: part of the problem and the font of all the "russianb spies" lulz is that a) thjere's nothing else and b) the fucktards can'
t believe nobody cares.
mircea_popescu: (progressive, as opposed to classic, which doesn'
t exist because butt still sore)
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: don'
t those things have internal actuators?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can'
t unwrap it in hardware. unlike rsa, fhfs you sitll hafta iterate.
mircea_popescu: point being, this isn'
t a valid objection. any work will take a truck, and any computing will take custom hardware.
mircea_popescu: good for you. now you can'
t use it to do 5k hashes parallel.
mircea_popescu: this can'
t be a thing "i want a bunch of substantially different items that are all identical to the best performing one in any arbitrarily chosen criteria"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can'
t have alternatives WITHOUT ALTERNATIVE!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can'
t have a computationally infeasible algo that's also easy to compute!
a111: Logged on 2017-07-02 15:36 asciilifeform: btw ben_vulpes your mphash seems to use some shitlibrary that 1) i dun have 2) won'
t install via quicklisp
mircea_popescu: large part of usgization of normal processes. "oh, does your msg app support VIDEO ?" bitch, i don'
t want to watch overweight dudes with their cats braying into a mic.
mircea_popescu: or other things. and if you don'
t must, you FUCKING DIDN'
T NEED THE GB.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can'
t really visually saw that appart, but looks like it's a hlen ** b mlen or such.
mircea_popescu: kinda badly chosen cutoffs too, i don'
t specifically care re diff between 40 byte and 70 byte message. make it log on that side and do 16, 128, 1024, 8192 and 65536 byte messages, for 32, 256, 2048 bit hash lengths as a standard of testing.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-02#1678479 << to my eye the worst part of it is that it's very badly drawn. a) about half of the Y space is actually used, which is terrible. b) all the same color, they melt together, can'
t tell apart. can use color gradient ? (yes, on blue, not on red, can'
t see red).
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-07-02 07:11 BingoBoingo: Your lawn? Compost. Don'
t mulch your lawn, it needs to breath.
mircea_popescu: and this isn'
t just mp being hoity toity. the point here is that the sort of superficial schmuck who imagines bitcoin has 6k nodes, is also the superficial schmuck who imagines if bitcoin is framed through usg owned internet, that'll "just oiccur". it won'
t just occur, the same day there's a nuclear blast on capitol hill, no questions asked.
BingoBoingo: Your lawn? Compost. Don'
t mulch your lawn, it needs to breath.
☟︎ sina: black box doesn'
t have to be invoking from CLI each time tho, you could write a daemon around each impl and measure how long it takes to return a value
ben_vulpes: "cython wouldn'
t know the input type without chasing pointers all over the place"?
ben_vulpes: i wouldn'
t keep a lisp runtime hanging around just on the offchance i want to hash things
ben_vulpes: obvious counterargument is that "don'
t bother with subsecond executions, dork"
sina: but again, I haven'
t used that one
BingoBoingo: Isn'
t dtrace that Sun Microsystems thing that came with Solaris 10?
ben_vulpes: sina: i wouldn'
t know, is why i'm asking
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> whereas gasoline generator only really works well as a 50kw+ item << Biggest problem with gas for backup genset is doesn'
t store well
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wasn'
t even rthinking getting the panels too. just get batteries, charge from network
mircea_popescu: and if you feel like spending a quarter mil or we on the generators you do and if oyu don'
t you don'
t.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform those were in buenos aires. i didn'
t take along. all i got here is yhou know, inverters, batteries, stuff like that.
mircea_popescu: i don'
t mean, here where i am. i mean, in costa rica period. and nicaragua. and panama. toda la centroamerica, mang!
mircea_popescu: then again, i wasn'
t on the west coast ; nor do i have much patience for the flip flop and smoked out crowd.
mircea_popescu: honestly, i don'
t recall ever going to a good party states-side.
mircea_popescu: point being : the "i'd give it to the soviet comissar rather than to this woman" preference ain'
t supported.
mircea_popescu: show me hilarity's. (no, not from now, from back when she didn'
t understand but should have understood.)
mircea_popescu: well, here used in the general sense, "if elena asks for a car and you don'
t give it to her, you're saving it. wtf you;'re saving it for ?"
mircea_popescu: just about. who doesn'
t want to be friends with a hot blondy with brains ?
mircea_popescu: (who, ironically, didn'
t speak too highly of it, either.)
mircea_popescu: yet these "measures of all things" exemplars of pure humanity, that honestly believe their heads are capable of any lifting, if they "just had the facts" hurr durr lol lol snort, nevertheless can'
t see far enough ahead to realise they're "leaderless" because their leaders are out and out bullshit, and for no other reason.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the crazy batshit they have to argue. "oh, ethereum is rapemeat but totally worth the money also ethereum never happened also ethereum has nothing to do with the enthusiams, also black chix code, also that doesn'
t matter, also"
mircea_popescu: "yes it was today but we didn'
t go" "well we went, but it was like in and out" "yeah"
BingoBoingo: No money in portugal, because no people left who don'
t suck
sina: mircea_popescu: I can'
t speak specifically of Portugal redditardation, only use in attempt of "try and argue it re drugs for instance.
mircea_popescu: but be that as it may -- the notion that a drawing can be at issue is not only just as stupid as usual, but also crits. now you don'
t even have any sort of available "i really believe this crap" defense.
sina: it wasn'
t all that long ago that we were doing just that in fact
sina: to clarify, are you trying to make the point that childporn shouldn'
t be prosecuted? or that the definition of childporn is overlybroad
mircea_popescu: this is like saying an idiot ignoring the door and trying to walk through the wall "Came very hard". the hardness isn'
t the point, the utter idiocy kinda overwhelms it.