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asciilifeform: was promised to be an independent investigation. How an Obama donor could be trusted to investigate Obama’s heir apparent was never explored by the fake news media. Even worse is that as Chief of Counterintelligence, Laufman has the power to kill any investigations into leaks, a power he has been exercising.'
a111: Logged on 2017-03-03 11:41 mircea_popescu: because for as long as the chicken brained have a dollar, they will pool that dollar to get shit like britney spears on the air.
mircea_popescu: because for as long as the chicken brained have a dollar, they will pool that dollar to get shit like britney spears on the air. ☟︎
asciilifeform: as would the empties.
asciilifeform: betcha mircea_popescu had nfi that there could be such a thing as 'sibling blocks' !111
mircea_popescu: where "too pro russian" means about the same as "too pornographic" : there's ANY item where the eternally losing side irl fails to win in fantasy.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-18 22:32 asciilifeform: 'The situation is somewhat akin to a retarded girlfriend trying to flood your apartment, that not only opens all the faucets and stops all the drains, but also takes the "extremely clever" measure of puncturing the water pipes, so she can then preciously inform you that "turning off the faucets won't help" and you must work with her to somehow create a raft out of your widescreen TV so as to navigate the marshy terrain that used to b
asciilifeform: ' It would be much easier if we used JSON or XML for system configs. Or maybe some binary format. Especially for those configs that are constantly read by different programs. As a result, they need a good read rate (it’s higher in binary formats).' << gold.
asciilifeform: 'As we’ve already seen in the example with /etc/passwd, the widespread use of plain text can lead to performance problems. ' << and dynamically loaded crapolade, orc-glyphs-in-everything, dbus, et al -- don't, apparently ?!
mircea_popescu: they're on the map in new york as "those dumb broads from almost west coast". at some point people were writing fanfic they're so ridoinculous.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would a male as much as spit for sweden
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: spot on, as always
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i dun even grasp how this is a vuln, it isn't as if 802.11 has rsa-authenticated endpoints to begin with
mircea_popescu: they are discussing "how easy it is" and mislabel it as "how hard it is". but at no point is their discussion actually about how hard anything is.
asciilifeform: however the triangle is imaginary, because -- as you will learn from the linked thread tree earlier (and not from any public literature ! elsewhere afaik) -- we know about complexity classes , as discovered by cook et al ; but we do NOT know of any means of generating ~instances~ of problems falling into given class with ~guaranteed~ average-case hardness.
asciilifeform: ideal hasher - into a prng (as pictured in, e.g., casks piece intro) ; an ideal cipher - into either of the two others.
asciilifeform: the prng has a time parameter, but it is spurious, it is really just the same as a hash, with same requirements
asciilifeform: a 'secure prng' is fundamentally THE SAME animal as the 'secure hash' and the 'secure blockcipher'. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : both the "conservative" and the "nazi" candidates to french elections are being prosecuted by the "state" socialism for hallucinated misdeeds (they hired family members as assistents fictitiously|!11). the influence of inept obamaism and his kidnapping of french candidate last time around clearly left no scars, hurr.
mircea_popescu: no, because he at least had talent as a draughtsman.
asciilifeform: it is approx. as interesting as davinci's chopper.
asciilifeform: now to complete this sad picture, i have nfi where to get any such thing as an engine, or wheels, for this machine.
mircea_popescu: suppose i think of it as random strings.
asciilifeform: think of it as land.
asciilifeform: as phf's b00k illustrates, the cost of the chronometers remained a serious boojum well into 1900s
asciilifeform: ( in meatspace this is also known as 'civilizational death' and happens regularly )
asciilifeform: idea being, any 'ecological' problem, with, e.g., algorithmic complexities as t-->+inf, can seem insignificant -- but enemy can waltz it into an actual problem.
mircea_popescu: lenin, as well as everyone else, can still be admired exactly as they were
a111: Logged on 2017-02-27 16:56 mircea_popescu: but the correct trb-i might just as well end up this situation where block reward is 1mn bitcoin, and it dies within 1mn blocks. so all mining does is produce ~ a lease ~ on a chunk of bitcoin. and the value of old bitcoin is monotonically decreasing over their lifetime.
asciilifeform: blocks are, recall, constant size, if you want O(1) block fetching (and as a verifying node, you certainly do) you win 0 by compressing.
mircea_popescu: however forcing one to keep A PORTION of blockchain is not altogether a bad outcome ; it is better than the current "forces to keep nothing -- and they provably, as historical fact, DID NOT!" and through lubby ensures blockchain is never lost.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the cure, i realized, is that ~some~ of the oldtx selected by Z must depend on value of prev block, so as to prevent waltzing of Z 'until all i need is the 10% i'm fraudulently storing instead of the 100%' .
asciilifeform: oooh gotta revisit upstack, briefly, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-01#1620677 << ~this~ in particular cannot be done as written. else, the first relayer of a freshly mined block could simply steal the work that went into determining luby(Z) and get massive head start on making his own block, which he then relays instead of the plagiarized. ☝︎
asciilifeform: one simple way to do this, is to dispense with amounts (as discussed in at least 2 old threads)
asciilifeform: which is , how would you have such a thing as a sanely-behaving balance to begin with
asciilifeform: 'we're squaring circles, may as well make perpetuum mobile and immortality'
asciilifeform: esp. if everyone is in the habit of using all of the decimal places of P as an invoice id.
asciilifeform: so long as they are guaranteed to be distinct at every step in time
mircea_popescu: as long as right amt showed up -- right amt showed up, proceed.
mircea_popescu: even something as simple as -- ammt made it, therefore paid is good enough really.
asciilifeform: (in so far as payee can be trusted to stfu forever)
mircea_popescu: i dunno, say politically. if you decide to claim tomorrow that there never was such a thing as c3, how do i deal with it ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, as an entirely idle example : the set of numbers with mpfhf defined on it is actually a fine example in this vein. it ISNT an algebraic structure ; but an algorithmic structure.
a111: Logged on 2016-02-06 02:49 mircea_popescu: actually the 4 color map thing is in my head just as good if not better than knapsack
a111: Logged on 2016-06-06 21:38 asciilifeform: particular case can be as simple as you like.
asciilifeform: ( as in, say, these : http://web.mit.edu/~ezyang/Public/graph/svg.html )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re-reading i am pretty much convinced that the requirement that a) signatures are produced pairwise nevertheless b) no pairwise verification function exists yet c) verification works on a group of them is batshit insanity. might as well ask for a 5 smaller than 4.
asciilifeform: as i understand, what mircea_popescu would like is : V(K1, S)=false, V(K2, S)=false, .... BUT V(K1,K2,..,KN, S) = true
asciilifeform: as far as i can see, this solves. Z depends on previous block, and the xor'd output is ~covered~ by the hash (and nonce) of the currently-worked-on block. so miner cannot craft his Z, he is forced to suck it up.
asciilifeform: theoretically it also means that a tx, as time goes to infinity, will have infinite number of confirmations...
asciilifeform: say every new block , to be valid, must contain a tx-sized slot (not covered by the nonce hash, but see below) that is computed as follows:
asciilifeform: T(N) is an O(1) fetch, as spoken of earlier.
asciilifeform: ooook try this on for size : suppose fixed-width TX (as discussed earlier.) T(N) is the Nth tx, T(0) is the first tx in genesis block, etc. Tmax is the last tx in the currentheightblock. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: cuz it'll be == the hashing if it's as hard as the hashing.
asciilifeform: it can be made as painful as the hashing is to begin with
asciilifeform: say the miner has to find a string in an old block , as part of mining, that fits a nonce-derived pattern.
asciilifeform: maybe as good!
asciilifeform: as i currently understand it, mircea_popescu's algo had two major effects -- a) nodes have something valuable to sell b) all users are protocolically forced to retain all blocks
mircea_popescu: turn on your livingroom lights, pretend you're "running a node". exactly the same as "bang on keyboard, pretend you're writing"
pete_dushenski: speaking of learning, "Core exists as dictatorship and tyranny, upholding speech control, colluding to attack people with different views, has become the biggest threat of the long-term development of Bitcoin". ~bitmain miner guy (http://imgur.com/a/mhEEd)
pete_dushenski: speaking of wences, he was still pretending to be a person as recently as july 2015 (http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/21/wences-whacked-xapo-zapped/) though can't say i've heard a meaningful peep from him or about him since aside from 'swiss kyc blahblah' nothing-on-a-stick.
asciilifeform: https://zeptobars.com/en/read/bitfury-bitcoin-mining-chip << such as
asciilifeform: re upstack -- i actually have here an earlier mips from imagination co. -- it is notbad.jpg (tested back in the day as potential pogo replacement)
mod6: asciilifeform: forgive us for not mentioning your many submissions as of late. we'll be addressing these next month. salud!
mircea_popescu: there's nothing andressen has to contribute to any discussion. if you want copy/paste "ugc" you can just as well use google "ai", for the exact same result.
mircea_popescu: i had since opportunity to verify all of them, and they are all false. he's as much of a businessman as any random redditard, which specifically includes pirate, the silk road dork, etcetera.
mircea_popescu: he came to my country, introduced himself as "an investor", and made some statements.
mircea_popescu: this is the power of the lazy retard, someone somewhere once counted airplanes, they got the conclusion they're msotly full, and everyone's just mindlessly repeating it hence. as per http://trilema.com/2014/a-practical-exercise-for-people-who-cant-afford-airfare/
asciilifeform: not even 'severe', as in a schizophrenic's disconnect, but total, as in vegetable.
mircea_popescu: i mean the kitchen cockroach is not kitchen cockroach sp as opposed to bedroom cockroach just because that's where they happened to be captured.
mircea_popescu: but be this as it may, i can't distinguish nor am i inclined to distinguish j supran's pretense that he engages in "science" from random wanna-be-trilema online publication's pretense that it describes "the mainstream" from random wonderdiet late night cable sleazemarketer's "salvation cuisine" from any of the rest of the gunk. they are exactly the same thing, and the word to denote them exists already. barbar.
mircea_popescu: the question was as to how many kinds they met. it is altogether likely alexander is the one men who met most kinds of barbarians.
mircea_popescu: the etymology of the very word is instructive. barbarism comes from the greek hurrdurr, and it literally as well as onomatopoetically denotes that ... they do not have a thing.
mircea_popescu: perhaps "if you had to" you'd climb to infinity on the left rather than descend to infinity on the right. but inasmuch as it's a nonsensical construction, the counterfactual will stay nonfactual.
mircea_popescu: you can't speak of "the native culture" for exactly this reason. the indians have no culture, and inasmuch as they do not, they're not people.
asciilifeform: cultural as in http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537241 ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: they're uncivilised louts ; today as whenever. it is after all a fucking colony, not a real place, neh ?
mircea_popescu: misinformed ninnies may be confused as to the exact spelling of "trilema", which is a sad testament of the poor quality of public education available to them and naught more.
ben_vulpes: oh is heroli down as well?
mircea_popescu: if at position n-1 two possible candidate blocks could be n, then in order to extend n1 you will have to consider the blockchain as consistying of n1, and in order to extend n2 you will have to consider the blockchain as consisting of n2.
mircea_popescu: whether your opinion changes as to which exact blocks is not germane. to mine on chain a you use n and to mine on chain a' you use n'.
asciilifeform: they aren't marked as 'outside' tho
ben_vulpes: trinque: in portland, when i was a wee one, they were a deliberately not-as-raunchy-as-they-could-be bdsm-lite-junior-queers-and-thespians social club
mircea_popescu: trinque i don't think i ever went to a cinema with a girl that wouldn't take stuff off. not past the age of 13 in any case, or as an independent agent, or however you put it.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-28#1619750 << people make it sound like it's some kind of interactive burlesque, cept I hear not so much as a bare tit swings free ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-20 00:22 danielpbarron: https://www.susanjfowler.com/blog/2017/2/19/reflecting-on-one-very-strange-year-at-uber >> they said that I didn't show any signs of an upward career trajectory. I pointed out that I was publishing a book with O'Reilly, speaking at major tech conferences, and doing all of the things that you're supposed to do to have an "upward career trajectory", but they said it didn't matter and I needed to prove myself as an engineer.
mircea_popescu: and before anyone attempots the historical gambit, "but mp, that's not what it is, but it's what they thought in 1960", gimme a break. that's what INEPT AND LAZY BUT AMBITIOUS GIRLIES thought. much like poor people think "rich people can;'t be happy", as a cheap and useless psychological defense.
mircea_popescu: in fact the entire substance, such as it is, of "i fucking love science" contemporary idiocy is exactly that, "omaigerd nature is stylish!"
asciilifeform: al intelligence will kill us all, or whether everything will turn out fine just as long as we continue to monitor the living shit out of every single human being alive, in order to feed the machines. A Hackernews suspects Obama quoted Mao, and everyone reassures each other it's probably fine.' ( http://n-gate.com/hackernews/2016/10/14/0 )
asciilifeform: ( the most obvious down-side is : that now you can end up in a situation of asking someone ~for change~ -- as if you were in a shop, in meatspace ... )
asciilifeform: as if it were not sad enough to have a block that takes ~12 minutes (!) to save,
asciilifeform: just as it is healthy to grasp, e.g., euclid, before you go on to lobachevskyate.
asciilifeform: i for one do not much care whether they 'take remedial class remedial in washing' in a specially-designated leprosorium , or in mircea_popescu's cellar; just for so long as the non-washers do not get to redefine what washing means.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 15:53 mircea_popescu: "to advance it is at serious odds with the massive glorification of youth. As marketing found itself unable to expand without encroaching upon our childhood, the intense drive to capture the minds of the youngest among us has tended to make people believe that 30 years of experience can be replaced by the young looks of rank novices. This is made worse by the management schools that make it possible for people who have yet
mircea_popescu: (for the innocent - deepthroat, a movie of dubious pornographic merits, was produced by the mob and released through the mob's own wot. that you saw it in the 70s meant you were cool, period and full stop. even if you saw it in between gangbangs as an american version of carol.)
asciilifeform: imho it is not unreasonable to ask that kid save up his coinz until tx fee doesn't dwarf his payload. just as it is not unreasonable to ask chick to grow before qualifying for mircea_popescuation.