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asciilifeform: that is not, i suspect, what most drivin' folk think of as 'jam'
mod6: and I ordered a physical box that has the same 2 procs, but has 64gb of ram as opposed to 24gb. just needs few disks.
asciilifeform: p.37: 'Market competitors wasted no time in knocking Microsoft's long awaited Windows environment... ...Microsoft, however, says that the criticisms ranged from unfair to incorrect. Says company spokesperson Marty Taucher "We changed the product significantly so it would support existing applications. Allegations that it does not, as (Quarterdeck president) Therese Myers says, and that you need to 'step aside' to support other progra
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yeah, as late as mid-90s even.
phf: i briefly used emacs and clisp in dos. as poor man lisp machine as it gets
mircea_popescu: no pipe, no shell. that much. pretty sure there was an awkatron as a command.
asciilifeform: and yeah , an nc-like proggy can make life on a shell-less os almost tolerable. but (as i described in earlier thread) that is not the only use.
trinque: I'm over here with emacs as window manager, shit you not.
mircea_popescu: phf i suspect your ride having been identified as possibly gay, you're now to defend your manhood in ARMED COMBAT!
mircea_popescu: or maybe hammers aren't as important as all that.
mircea_popescu: some people (known as you know, road workers) have very strong preferences re the asphalt barrelatron.
asciilifeform: and not pretend that 'rusty spoon is just as good as power saw '.
asciilifeform: bulldozer that amplifies my intelligence and makes such thing as, e.g., unravelling trb, possible, is not 'balcony tomato'.
asciilifeform: in fact discussing specific domain here, as example, commonlisp.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't really work in romanian. i mean, a common honorific for the deceased is "regretatul" ie, the regretted. but that's about as far as that goes.
mircea_popescu: like the lemonade of the proverbial lemonade stand that's always used as example in theoretical economics.
mircea_popescu: and the hope is that who knows, maybe the dorks come back with some idf. in any case, up until they return, the thread can be deemed as idf as-is.
phf: this whole "literate" point is not so much about specific technology, as it is about rebalancing the tree from the root, so to speak, wherein it's sometimes ok to push the key 70 times
mircea_popescu: ot his empanadas as well as open invite from waitress who's apparently been waiting for moths for the one time mp is not with cunt in tow.
asciilifeform: on most days i spend ~= time in it, as in emacs.
asciilifeform: ( it is not even really correct to say 'one bacterium readily stands in for another', the dish does not live and die 'as group' )
asciilifeform: whereas if instead of dish you have a mouse, having such things as white cells, liver, other 'specialized parts', then considerably higher bar.
mircea_popescu: (this is just a play on the fundamental fact that THERE IS NO MEANING IN NATURE. there's no such thing as "people" or "individual" or "life" or "god" etc irl. all psychogenic noise, the happenstance branches of your own process of organizing the exterior, unrelated to the exterior.)
mircea_popescu: myeah. though if it's proper to speak of you as individual, why exactly not of 1 bn worth of bacterial cells together ?
asciilifeform: what even counts as 'background'. fun exercise is to take ordinary geiger and try in a room with -- then without -- people.
asciilifeform: as in 'creatures evolved with a detectable background, they NEED it' or, in weaker form, 'it does 0 to them'
mircea_popescu: in some cancers, but even then dubious as all hell.
mircea_popescu: in fact, there's quite nothing in chemistry like radiation. all poisons eventually kill everyone as you increase the dosage. even water. radiation however...
mircea_popescu: "where can i find a guy who is safe to work in a datacenter ?" "where 1% of the 1% gather", doublespoken as "for 100k a year".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, they COULD NOT enjoy life as chicken handlers, because they'd do dumb shit. there's a reason situation with 1k droolers with chicken coop 20 chickens each turned into 1 chicken farm, 20k chickens, designed by 1, ran by 10, and 989 droolers on ipads waiting for the counter to count down.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: imho it is a waste, these folx could quite enjoy life as ~actual~ chicken handlers
phf: it was always the case. you deploye whatever custom app through standard xcode/blah infrastructure. you can't do it as a casual of course
ben_vulpes: "here's a taste of life as curated by the competent, aren't you mad at the fake lifestyle you've been fed?"
asciilifeform: i actually have ~0 idea what specifically supports the 'mainstream' commercial existence of the ipad. (as in the old ebay thread with mircea_popescu , it turns out that asciilifeform's uses for various items are often quite nonstandard )
asciilifeform: dunno that it makes sense to deal with coin arcades and 'konsoomer'-portable gamez, as same animal
mircea_popescu: yes. at some glorious point in the 90s it was ~same as a bar. you went with your friends to a dedicated bit of real estate.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the state of casual gaming is completely fucked up. so other than utter throwaways, stuff that looks like someone's undegrad project, the ~entire market of ipad-likes (stuff that works in the browser, or else via a "light" client for windows/mac, or else as a ipad/android etc app) is wholly like this : ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2010/corporatiile-si-responsabilitatea/#selection-33.0-33.93 << ro as it turns out.
asciilifeform: and this reminded me, did mircea_popescu ever write a piece re the 'radium girls' ? the ones that licked the brushes and rotted. they are brought up as darlings of the 'unions' era, 'wurker's rights', etc. but in actuality they not only licked the brushes but painted own lips, nails, jewelry, etc.
scriba: ssh banner of 160.80.1.232 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9
asciilifeform: the g4 however is approx as useful as old p3.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-20#1629345 << eventually happens to everything. as per, even, the 'regression to mean' thread. ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-20#1629328 << these are surprisingly great 'cpu for the dollar', because ~severely~ underpriced , even for a junk market item : they're ~entirely worthless to mactards who would 'use as printed on the box', because last 7 or so crapple os versions will refuse to run on it. but potentially very valuable for, e.g., bsd user. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: kinda ~same as "fight for freedom" of strategically placed nothings.
trinque: ah I could see the same thing as turkey and EU with mexico down the road
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can swear allegiance to the flag of the united nationx of mexico just as well. can even save the original two words of the whole signage
mircea_popescu: hey, ~same as afghanistan but closer. save on fuel, be green.
asciilifeform: mexican-war-with-usa makes approx as much sense as pirate war against spanish crown
mircea_popescu: other part of the problem is that it's too large a corp. their kernel ppl and their directx people were pretty much as related as samsung and apple.
trinque: gotta be able to admit one's political bias plainly, or it warps like so. "microshit is evil therefore I will ignore their output" is not the same as "factually they never once built a thing"
mircea_popescu: interestinf approach, but twas merely an example, not an argument as such.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu wants to inhabit a mental universe where 'there is no such thing as original technology' and xerox parc circa 1970s is exactly same thing as microshit today -- i can't possibly stop him.
mircea_popescu: i suppose we can add 3, "once 1 and 2 are on the table, take refuge in contradictory schemes". there is no such thing as original technology. for something to be a technology it must be unoriginal. original shit is called literature.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-20#1629499 << as i understand 'innovative' is a barf trigger word for mircea_popescu , but i don't know of a more appropriate word. if q is re 'what useful things did you lift from microshit', and someone suggests 'fat16', i can only answer 'it was not innovation, did not originate from the loins of microshit.' ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sometimes they showed up almost immediately ! as in, next day i call and 'oops sorry it was already snapped'
asciilifeform: but also, as i learned experimentally, one that doesn't create 'work' for the owner. for instance, i went to a great many folx who were letting out houses, and they wouldn't hear of 'install dishwasher', even when offered 100% of the (not especially frightening) cost of this mod.
mircea_popescu: i've yet to meet someone who lets as a living, even if part time, who wouldn't kill for a good tenant.
asciilifeform: build in microshit vs, even. (this includes usg's, as was well laid out for exhibit in the latest dump)
a111: Logged on 2017-03-20 01:04 Framedragger: sure. my internal alfatron says "may as well test for tape backup storage system viability" though; surely it's inefficient to test *all* things in a domain that one is not optimistic to begin with. but i see your rationale of course
a111: Logged on 2017-03-20 01:03 mircea_popescu: i don't recall being as pissed off with fat32 at any point throughout the 90s as i've regularly been hence.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-20#1629264 << how's that meant to work ? classical fat32 has no such animal as a symlink, for instance. ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-20#1629256 << even reiser is almost certainly waste of time, general-purpose fs is very sharply the opposite of what we want, they are all optimized for mutability (can delete/rename/resize/etc) and fast reads at the expense of slow entity creation, as well as carrying out silent rebalances/defrags/etc. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: buy a subway holy shit. why the fuck would you buy an item the dorks expect to be provided "as a publicgood". fuck them.
ben_vulpes: oh, come, he just organized the teams as what took the shellacking
Framedragger: sure. my internal alfatron says "may as well test for tape backup storage system viability" though; surely it's inefficient to test *all* things in a domain that one is not optimistic to begin with. but i see your rationale of course ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i don't recall being as pissed off with fat32 at any point throughout the 90s as i've regularly been hence. ☟︎
mod6: so a very exciting time, as far as I'm concerned.
mod6: any ticketing thing is as useful as you make it. it takes effort to remember to keep it up and to ~use~ it. any thing we can do to make that a more automated process though, is nice.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-13 01:00 Framedragger should write some kind of simple thingie which takes (1) keyword and (2) timestamp pairs as intervals, and produces a kind of wiki page for all given keywords. (2) can be amended later as needed. so that there'd be a page for gossipd without much effort at all
Framedragger: mod6: fwiw i agree completely. the key point here is (as you said) *noting it down* (including dead-ends). so yeah, afaict you're on the very right track here. i wonder, does the current system need complex massaging to be able to track things like that? i mean, you can add tickets, but i guess no way for them to have a *list* of notes (per ticket)
mod6: There are some other cool side projects going on now too... such as the wallet-cut effort.
mod6: Anyway, just as an example of side-projects that need tracking...
mod6: Heh, I'm working on a major update to T, also. It's been a bit slow-going as that isn't obviously the most high priority item.
mod6: Yup, all the wot variant rules are in place. We now orphan vpatches from the flow where ~all~ antecedents are *not* present. Some other small changes, such as; When you press to a give output directory 'X', and then press to the same given output directory, we first remove 'X', then create & press.
mircea_popescu: anyway, "disagreement-verbiage" so to call it is the stuff of life. i have tons of it with my slavegirls, and they're very literal chattel slaves, not as much as a stitch they own outright nor as much as a private fold in their heart. nevertheless...
Framedragger: anyway not sure how useful but you might want to take a look at http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/ doppler (at *_tickets.html), not sure how up to date. also http://trilema.com/category/job-board/ for interesting projects which may be good for you as well as good for this here forum
doppler: I guess I'll imagine shinohai as having an arnold voice from now on, haha
Framedragger: i think that list was supposed to focus on technology-things, hence it being so partial. (but then, maybe one can see 'church' as a piece of technology, etc...)
ben_vulpes read that as "chip starter"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-18#1629015 << odds are it couldn't be re-done in a current fab, the vast majority of current fab constraints go towards avoiding echos and other self-crits the design may impose upon itself. as the engineers at the time didn't labour under the same constraints, and they're cutting out way more than 99% of the theoretical design space, the odds their work product would work in 14nm process are ze ☝︎
phf: both approaches are viable, you can use emulator as reference, you can also use real hardware as reference, with the solution meeting somewhere in the middle.
asciilifeform: phun phakt, according to the press release for smbx, that thing had 370k transistor. slightly more than 386. (but around half as many as 486 iirc)
ben_vulpes: the methodology i recall was 'for each tx, take top 32 bits, use as index into array, increment byte at offset"
mircea_popescu: not how it works irl on any models that don't include "we need to be seen as doing something please god" as a hard constraint.
asciilifeform: speaking of schisms in heathendom, https://archive.is/WplLL >> 'A group of nearly 20 exchanges has released contingency plans in the event that the bitcoin network splits in two, creating two competing currencies. The exchanges are now planning to list Bitcoin Unlimited (BU) as they would an alternative cryptocurrency...'
mircea_popescu: l0 is verified by the bitcoin network as part of its functioning. l1 can be verified by anyone with a full blockchain.
mircea_popescu: the problem, however, is that under the skin-deep "kid is fine", his passive genetics have seriously weakened. if he lives as part of a larger population that does this, a few generations down the road genetic decay manifests and there's literally no hope -- the population will either move to exogamy or die out. ☟︎
Framedragger: (okay apparently if your cpu supports 'constant_tsc' (as seen in cpuinfo) then this timestamp counter actually counts time and not processor ticks which is a *good thing* given freq scaling etc.; this is available in all new intel processors; what a rabbit hole, man)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i'm probably doing sth wrong but now one of the two replies i just posted is marked as awaiting moderation and the other doesn't; sorry if i broke some bytes
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-18#1628894 timestamped 01:33 whereas https://archive.is/dlUoc timestamped 01:47 shows it as "11 minutes ago". teh alphabets got some new servers or what. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-17 22:42 jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Proverbs 5:19 :: Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the list is not even 1/3 as published. more like 1/4
pete_dushenski: still lulzy as shit
pete_dushenski: in animals as in men, "March 16 (UPI) -- A Moscow petting zoo is suing the advertising company that rented a raccoon, saying it was used in an "erotic" shoot with a nude model and now the raccoon is obsessed with women's breasts."
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Proverbs 5:19 :: Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-17 07:20 diana_coman: hm, the first thing I purposefully learnt when on skis was...how to fall; as in: how to fall *without* breaking anything etc
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-17#1628622 and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-17#1628630 << you guys must've spent too much time together in portland. "gimme muh comfuurt!" an unexpected angle to be sure. can't say i quite agree as to the supreme value of wearing silk underwear on the daily. ☝︎☝︎
scriba: ssh banner of 67.49.219.148 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-dropbear_2014.63
scriba: ssh banner of 80.83.111.191 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9
mircea_popescu: notrly as a practical item, no