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mod6: mircea_popescu: there many rocks/coral in that area?

mod6: mircea_popescu: yah, gotta live a little every now and then.

ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: was watching from beyond the break?

mod6: <+ben_vulpes> oh man, i would really like to learn to surf << i'll never forget the first time i caught a wave. something very zen about the whole experience.

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes there was this bunch of hotties surfing on their own btw...

a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 09:20 mircea_popescu: the idea that desktop towers are well cooled is ridoinculous on the face. i dun think half of them are, tbh.

asciilifeform: overclockism is an interesting subj and -- very heavily depending on the application ( i.e. is it cpu-bound ? or will you simply be making a hotter chip wait 800 cycles for each out-of-cache memory access instead of 500... ? ) can be The Right Thing. but i have nfi what use case mircea_popescu has in mind . ( mine was number-crunching, and i had specifically written the routine to fit in L0 . )

a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 09:31 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782311 << but the firm expectation based on no experience is how alf gets in trouble like...daily. why copy what dun work from him ?

mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782333 << hey, we get systemd in, right ? the reboots' gonna be so fast you won't even notice them << lol ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 09:33 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782314 << well, i'd expect airflow at all times driven by the dc HVAC. i dunno you'd want to buy space in a dc with no internal airflow. i've also never been in one that had no internal airflow. then again i've never been in a clean room that had no internal airflow either.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but in principle, gear can't produce more heat than the electricity it gets. so i expect at some point they'll start whining about "Gotta get another rack, we can't go over 4kw/per" or w/e they do. no ? << We have 2.5 kw now, and if we need more we can get a set of incoming power lines for another 2.5 kw. After that it is time for a second rack.

a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 04:11 ben_vulpes: this ftr is what galls me about ssds; the accelerated deterioration rate.

a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 04:07 ben_vulpes: TomServo: i personally run machines for longevity, but i can see why mircea_popescu and BingoBoingo would want to run their lowendboxen hot and cram as much into 'em as possible.

a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 03:58 TomServo: ben_vulpes: not sure about any air gap, all the racks i've seen are pretty pretty tight

TomServo: ben_vulpes: We call those 'travelers' in my parts. A 'roadie' if you're uncouth.

trinque: ben_vulpes: fine strategy when replacements are stacked within reach.

TomServo: ben_vulpes: I see also, just thought it was worth mentioning.

ben_vulpes: TomServo: i personally run machines for longevity, but i can see why mircea_popescu and BingoBoingo would want to run their lowendboxen hot and cram as much into 'em as possible. ☟︎

TomServo: ben_vulpes: not sure about any air gap, all the racks i've seen are pretty pretty tight ☟︎

trinque: ben_vulpes: wasn't thinking of it, just heat through the metal case

trinque: mircea_popescu: in re: cores, depends what you're running. most of my existing servers are many separate services doing tasks that don't block each other, whereas if running trb it's doubtful the thing benefits from even one extra core, except insofar as the rest of the OS's doings get shuffled off to it.

TomServo: mircea_popescu: that's true, but you should have plenty of warning before needing to consider torching your gear

lobbes: mircea_popescu, I may be able to order something, depending on price (any gear needed under $500, say?). I've been meaning to convert some more fiat into coin anyway

TomServo: mircea_popescu: I would expect cores and I certainly wouldn't be considering overclocking in a DC environment.

a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 11:09 mircea_popescu: take something like, i dunno, epyc-7351 say. costs 7x, has 4x the cores, 4.5x the ram speed, 4.5x the l2/3 cache and 50% the power. basically i'm getting less than twice as much processor per watt, if i pay 7x the money. meh.

a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 13:21 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo : the logic is, ima want 5 of the dozen ; the rest could each at least in principle support 100 "shared" sorta sites each, at $20 a month or whatever you end up charging. that's, if you manage to fill up the lot, $14`000 per month in revenue.

a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 19:40 a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 01:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ?

a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 10:46 mircea_popescu: now, of course, the 6376 could be piled 4 to the motherboard. but i tell you i don't see you'd want it, considering how much it eats.

mod6: mircea_popescu: ah, thanks.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> 2u is like... 8.9cm tall. you think not ? << Alright with the amd fx-8350 there are skus that some with different coolers. There the stock cooler that looks like it should not be a problem, and then there is the WRAITH special edition kooler 4Gamerz which is 80 mm high and rather tall for a 2U case. Whoever goes piling iron would be advised to watch this difference.

a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 01:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ? ☟︎

jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 7135.29, vol: 71089.68377008 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7133.3, vol: 207043.5010283 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 7119.7, vol: 30818.2037311 | Volume-weighted last average: 7132.40128548

a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 14:54 diana_coman: mircea_popescu, this reminds me of early attempts with Italian: when stuck, grab a Romanian/French/latin word, stick Italian ending on it and say it loud and clear; it the worse case locals will promptly correct it

a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 03:29 mircea_popescu: ex of 1B documents. Then our cost comes down to $12M/yr." << this danluu piece is the most idiotic thing i read all day. what the fuck has "cloud" done to these people that they think a 1bn index cost A MILLION A MONTH holy shit.

BingoBoingo: !~later tell pete_dushenski Have you been following the BBisp developments? ☟︎

BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> BingoBoingo, is the "company" having your name or isn't this between latechco and your company or what? << At present due to the painful $900 lesson my name is my company, though it is indeed a legally registered company in Uruguay. Once I have a local ID (Hopefully sometime March-April) and I make another run at the corporation (because the provisional ID cuts the passport knot) it will be [insert aculturally relevant

diana_coman: mircea_popescu, this reminds me of early attempts with Italian: when stuck, grab a Romanian/French/latin word, stick Italian ending on it and say it loud and clear; it the worse case locals will promptly correct it ☟︎

BingoBoingo: diana_coman: It is eastern in a sense

a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 05:03 mircea_popescu: so then, 7150 * 6 / 52 / 40 * 2 = 41.25 final cost, per week. includes 1U of space, 302GB of weekly upload / 3TB download (as per 20 × 3600 × 24 × 7 ÷ 40) and lessee re wattage,

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Small country

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Here is the whole unredacted contract. I am unsure what, if anything ought to be redacted before publication given the mission of maximally pissing on the enemy by not being a prude http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7WHsY/?raw=true

mircea_popescu: so, let me know if you're interested in buying some newegg/amazon/whatever for this, danielpbarron pete_dushenski whosoever else. ☟︎

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> you gonna be there to pick him up when he lands yes ? << I can be if he asks. From there the plan is proceed to the cowork and unpack the equipment.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo aite on the power and rack cages scores. any tips you want to share with phf ? how's teh suitcase ppls do it ? << They pad things as appropriate, but they discard the original packaging. Also it is important to grab a customs form, they are on the wall on the right once you exit the duty free store zone, on the opposite side of the space is the baggage claim.

a111: Logged on 2018-02-03 01:36 mircea_popescu: well the whole thing is one huge napkin doodle shared over the chan as it stands

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> incidentally, if trinque , phf , et al , grasp mircea_popescu's pov, and think ' asciilifeform is idjit ' , invited to explain to asciilifeform . << The problem of where to post was the easy part of the ask. Especially in light of the growing napkin doodle problem http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780678 ☝︎

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> well apparently this was never published. yo BingoBoingo WHY is your contract that you signed not online ? where's the wattage ? etc. << Will deturd and publish today

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo does the dc provide the racking boxes at least ? or does sheer metal have to be carried from overseas also ? << Inquiry sent, with a timeline (i.e. can be had next week)

BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: why are you not rolling VAT into this pricing scheme? << I did not in that draft under the presumption taxes are another salary.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo incidentally, this rack is 19 inch or 23 inch ? << 19 inch

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ? << Sounds a hell of a lot beefier than the Qntra server.

a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 01:31 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: If the paper declaring it an import with a value isn't there at least another 50% on top of the 22% VAT. Looking at the advertisements here https://listado.mercadolibre.com.uy/samsung-ssd#D[A:samsung ssd] it appears there is a brisk business of people doing the suitcase thing.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1781806 << i missed this. say what ? << Is re: Fedexing things of value for the local customs folks to decide are shady unlabeled "internet purchases", apparently that is their term of art. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: diana_coman the power diff is only about 10W. the 6376 does have 16 cores, but then again 8350 is 4GHz vs 3ish...

a111: Logged on 2018-01-25 00:35 mircea_popescu: !~calc 7150 / 11312.7937668

jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 0.58441904 * 14915.6671703 = 8716.999888626242

mod6: I'm certain that I don't know all of what was discussed between yourself and mircea_popescu - even in this very chamber.

asciilifeform: mod6: it isn't clear what i am to apologize to mircea_popescu for : not being a telepath ? not having extra set of hands to make errything on conveyor happen at once ? what, exactly.

asciilifeform: mod6: i apparently do not have a good working model of mircea_popescu .

asciilifeform: incidentally, if trinque , phf , et al , grasp mircea_popescu's pov, and think ' asciilifeform is idjit ' , invited to explain to asciilifeform .

asciilifeform: currently i have a clogged conveyor, consisting of 'keep weekly posts, idjit' and 'manifest of now-and-future iron' , in that sequence . asciilifeform sits and continues to grind conveyor. meanwhile mircea_popescu throws fit, 'you fucked it' , etc.

asciilifeform: i am utterly unable to make sense of mircea_popescu's eggog

asciilifeform: at any rate, as previously described asciilifeform is tilt-proof, any time mircea_popescu feels like making sense again, is invited to resume.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu sees 'fucked it up', i see alcoholic fit.

a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 01:31 mircea_popescu: here, chew on this doozy : i will not use any of your shit now.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu naturally is free to barf and 'i'ma use old shoe instead' because 'you did not format it as i demanded!' .

a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 21:40 mircea_popescu: not even necessarily photo, a simple "here is what we have, COMPLETE specs ; and what we probably might want to ~EVER~ get".

asciilifeform: the 'here is what we have' of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779933 is fulfilled by what mircea_popescu termed 'the random garbage in the log' (in fact a complete actionable description of asciilifeform's inventory.) the 'what we will EVER want to get' , and asciilifeform is multiply on record re subj, is more of exactly same , 63xx/61xx opterons , from same surplus contacts where asciilifeform previously obtained the 3. ☝︎

asciilifeform: from mircea_popescu's 1 sentence ?!

asciilifeform: the way i parsed mircea_popescu's original work req, is that it was to be primarily a manifest of iron ready to fly in time for phf.

asciilifeform: hanbot , mircea_popescu : it ain't unnecessary, but it was stuck on the conveyor behind delayed ch10. asciilifeform (apparently mistakenly) assumed that mircea_popescu could act on the partial info. instead he 'yer an idjit, i'ma make my boxes from old shoes nao instead'

a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 23:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma uncrate things, take pics, expect a roundup sunday night.

asciilifeform: hanbot: i have nfi what the reaction is, possibly mircea_popescu has indigestion instead of rum, or whatever. i have a total of 3 usable machines, purchased after consultation with mircea_popescu , and reimbursed by him; specs were detailed to mircea_popescu before and after purchase . 1 machine was intended for s.nsa in particular; 2 for use as mircea_popescu later sees fit. whole thing was laid out in the logs on several occasions,

asciilifeform: right, mircea_popescu can pour petrol , light match, and say ' asciilifeform started fire, by not posting cargo manifest in blog '

asciilifeform: hanbot: i have the full stack of communiques from asciilifeform to mircea_popescu re each purchase, his responses, etc. and so does he. it dun seem to help.

danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, let me know the address? i'll send them tomorrow

hanbot: <asciilifeform> picture this, i even took the photos, and cropped, etc. and got stuck trying to satisfy mircea_popescu's earlier item << fwiw, i suspect organizational trouble rather'n deliberate anti-delivery here. i'll say: i spent years imagining i.e. deliberate, detailed scheduling, writing "bullet points" etc was for dumb people, and that naturally i didn't need it. and i got by for various definitions of gettin', but didn't wash in mp's com

asciilifeform: hey mircea_popescu , as s.nsa fuhrer, wouldja condescend to say what it is you want done with the 3u of iron you had commissioned ?

danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, yes, how much money? i don't know exactly

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ? ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu for some reason of his own won't arrange the delivery of the completed box to s.bisp , asciilifeform will have to do so on his own, in furtherance of his obligations as s.nsa cto.

a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 01:42 mircea_popescu: in order to be useful you must actually communicate. this "ima just do whatever the fuck occurs to me" dun cut it. never has, never will.

asciilifeform: i ask this because the 3 boxes were purchased in autumn, after pedantically detailed discussion with mircea_popescu (see s.nsa reports for sept, oct 2017); , and on his express approval, paid for, burn-in tested, etc.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma ask , naturally mircea_popescu dun gotta answer : how much rum today

a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 21:40 mircea_popescu: not even necessarily photo, a simple "here is what we have, COMPLETE specs ; and what we probably might want to ~EVER~ get".

a111: Logged on 2018-01-30 23:08 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1777970 << infiniely better to keep time discipline and adjust material than to lose time discipline to adjust it to your disease.

asciilifeform: picture this, i even took the photos, and cropped, etc. and got stuck trying to satisfy mircea_popescu's earlier http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-30#1778264 item ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 21:40 mircea_popescu: just make that post will you!

asciilifeform: the problem is to figure out wat exactly mircea_popescu wants

asciilifeform: !~later tell phf provide quote for shipping asciilifeform's (or maybe mircea_popescu's ?) 1U box, invoice asciilifeform .

asciilifeform: so what, phf is under orders not to ship completed dulap-III ? mircea_popescu proclaims 's.nsa dun need a www' or FG storefront or wat

a111: Logged on 2017-12-14 18:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751463 << it does exactly one fucking job. this one : diana_coman please don't talk to asciilifeform or take any further advice from him. total timewaste.

asciilifeform: they aren't actually mine tho, they're s.nsa inventory, mircea_popescu in fact had paid for'em.

asciilifeform: i'ma try and make what i suspect mircea_popescu wanted. brb

asciilifeform: i genuinely don't grasp what is mircea_popescu's problem.

BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: If the paper declaring it an import with a value isn't there at least another 50% on top of the 22% VAT. Looking at the advertisements here https://listado.mercadolibre.com.uy/samsung-ssd#D[A:samsung ssd] it appears there is a brisk business of people doing the suitcase thing. ☟︎☟︎