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esthlos: hmm, I did not realize that patching the genesis directly would have those effects on diana_coman 's work

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the column headers do not show in yer browser ?

mircea_popescu: esthlos, you wouldn't make it a patch on genesis unless you were trying to signal your disdain for diana_coman 's work so far.

asciilifeform: wtf, why would you put it on genesis, rather than diana_coman's proggy

asciilifeform: diana_coman: it was a specific chumpatronic term used by koch et al

a111: Logged on 2018-04-28 19:17 mircea_popescu: you need better markup, as it is is confusing. is 3 or 4294967297 the factor shared by 2 or more moduli and which are htey.

esthlos: asciilifeform diana_coman: are the secure memory portions of MPI useful/worth their weight?

phf: mircea_popescu: i'm not sure what i was trying to say there. that's not the first time i cold emailed someone, and also not the last one. i'm just making sure s/n doesn't stay too high

a111: Logged on 2018-04-28 16:50 mircea_popescu: spyked, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-17#1568940

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> incidentally, the move to uy has massively improved my personal server connection :D << Many cabling maps were consulted picking a landing spot after discovering Asia has no connectivity

asciilifeform: diana_coman: it doesn't have to screw with the machinewide gcc; can do as part of buildroot ( iirc buildroot even supports auto-building gnat the same way i built e.g. arm7 gcc with it; but requires a running gnat to be present on the machine where it is done )

a111: Logged on 2016-11-17 15:06 mircea_popescu: trinque can deedbot rss parsing be unprincipledly altered so that any succession of alphanum characters in excess of 16 spaces is replaced with first4[...]last4 ?

asciilifeform: diana_coman: afaik not! ( aside from the amply discussed sad phakt that building it requires a working gnat bin to be found somewhere else )

a111: Logged on 2018-04-27 15:41 mircea_popescu: the crime and the punishment are indistinguishable in all divine systems.

a111: Logged on 2018-04-27 15:41 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-27#1805922 << if you're going to "--clearsign" why not "-aer uid" for the same money ?

a111: Logged on 2018-04-27 15:36 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-27#1805903 << poor spyked keeps getting blindsided with this sorta item. how you holding up in there, yo

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the most obvious reason would be if he wants to make own linux for it.

asciilifeform: ( or.. do they?? mircea_popescu knows ? )

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but it totally looks like sky-of-bits << The great lulz in is how much effort they put into te skys, faces, and armor yet revert to common failure modes on... Shirts!

BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: this is a pronounced backslide compared to the CGI in 2003's Hulk movie

trinque: mircea_popescu: I mean the shell command, only way I can conceive ^ happening if it is indeed using the shell

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that -- punishment. drepping -- the crime.

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-27#1805899 << format is _notorious_ way to get a shell command injection. we had one uncovered by douchebag just two weeks ago in one of the republic's automated processes ☝︎

mod6: mircea_popescu's thorn/winged-paratrooper boob stinging story; reminds me of a time I was cutting down a tree and a wasps nest was in there - it was hot out and I had my shirt off. the fuckers flew down my pants, stung me in the ass like a hundred times.

a111: Logged on 2018-04-26 19:43 trinque: https://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=0x2012&image=blt_2012_02_med << look at this dead-eyed creature

trinque: creature from mircea_popescu's lj link

trinque: https://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=0x2012&image=blt_2012_02_med << look at this dead-eyed creature ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: the concern with usg.legality of throwing open 'nda' datashits, leaked src, etc. among the 'respects yer fleadom!11' folx, asciilifeform found 'zoologically' allergenic turn-off even 10yrs ago, barfed, long before encountering mircea_popescu et al

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: presumably they labour under belief that they're in opposition to thebeast. ( rather than the reality of 'obrien' and 'can of coke on the left', 'blue usg', etc padded playrooms )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what cent, these folx work ('work'...?) for ~phree

a111: Logged on 2018-04-26 17:03 mircea_popescu: and so is the situation here, the management cost of the general purpose solution you propose by so far drowns out any possible benefit of "hey, alf had to learn something, instead of relying on his assumptions" you can't imagine.

asciilifeform: does mircea_popescu recognize a diff b/w e.g. 'you must learn grassman algebra to understand $system' and 'you must learn postgres 10.0 ...' ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: problem is that the 'auto gearbox' in postgres, isn't worth much

phf: mircea_popescu: the ones that don't tend to be contracted by large postgresql users, but then the incentive is fucked up, because large postgresql users have already worked around the well known voodoo cases and want fancy new features instead, that run orthogonal to core (and in a very high level architectural sense are often the result of the core's "voodoo" limitations)

asciilifeform: ( not as if i have one in my pocket! but seems as if mircea_popescu disagrees that it could be made, in principle ?? )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: conceivably you could use a subset-of-sql-used-in-mpwp on top of it.

asciilifeform: phf: and yes also it's a 'job creation language', and imho undeservedly gets good reputation among thinking people ( e.g. mircea_popescu ) because it is the 'jobs for greybeards' type, rather than 'for 19yo shits' a la perl

a111: Logged on 2018-04-26 16:06 mircea_popescu: ~at that time~, whenever it is, you can also insert them into a separate table with an autoindex field.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-26#1805702 << i'm surprised that mircea_popescu did not go straight to 'increment a counter when they're found!' ☝︎

mod6: System info: host: 'notus', ip: '127.0.0.1', os.name: 'Linux', os.arch: 'amd64', os.version: '3.16.0-4-amd64', java.version: '1.8.0_144'

mircea_popescu: SELECT LAST_INSERT_ID(); always faster than select count*

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is trivial for only the items that correspond to rows of a table

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is troo of ~all~ programming systems; only variation is in just how perverse the imposed model

trinque: mircea_popescu had it, industrial machinery, organizes gigantic sets, does a few things to make sure the wad isn't lost.

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, i dun agree ; excel is clown car. the db stuff... not really.

ben_vulpes: btw mircea_popescu #templeos-irc is a wall of noise, terry is out to lunch

trinque: ben_vulpes: you should hear my oil buddy talk about excel sometime

mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-04-25 01:18 mircea_popescu: a db is a good tool for pre-given solutions for some kinds of problems. it is not a tool for implementing arbitrary expressivity.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously, most hoppable fence of them all so far. Except well, Panama but they don't have a fence at all. Front door opens into the street.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma put it in the queue then. ( machine per se, came in last night )

a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 04:01 mircea_popescu: but in the general i suppose polarbeard's adventure is kinda illustrative of YET ANOTHER failure mode of personal heroics. besides the "lalala i can't hear" style there's apparently also the "oh, who has time for small steps, i'ma make huge contributions as a virtual unknown".

a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 06:27 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-24#1805245 <- for the light+clean gentoo factor I'd buy one but I can't say I see atm a case for buying a lot of them

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805494 << i can't picture who ( other than mircea_popescu in his described possible use case ) would need more than 1 ( or perhaps 2, 1 as a spare ) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 04:27 mircea_popescu: someone somewhere has like... a very large pitchfork or something. "town attraction" "why, because you folk spend too long in the sun ?"

a111: Logged on 2018-04-24 23:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman , et al, other folx who travel -- i'd like to get a picture of whether there is 'market' in l1/l2 for a pre-engentooated ( laugh at the laddel-ism, but it promises to be a somewhat painful process involving crocodile and eeprom writer ) 'c101pa' rockchip lappy .

phf: also http://btcbase.org/patches/polarbeard_rm_unused_functions http://btcbase.org/patches/polarbeard_add_sendrawtransaction_rpc

phf: or you know http://btcbase.org/patches/polarbeard_better_log_messages

trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NweRz/?raw=true << polarbeard_better_log_messages.vpatch reposted from shithub, for posteriority

mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah.

mod6: One vpatch that is looking pretty nice is ben_vulpes's logging sub-string chop chop.

phf: mircea_popescu: he had one megapatch that i remember being somewhat controversial, it's the one where he reworked the logging facility, but the other two look reasonably small (rm unused functions and add sendrawtransaction rpc). i remember there being some issues with asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum and asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring that required at least two regrinds, which was around the time he was working on his.

asciilifeform: ty phf , trinque , mircea_popescu

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if not too many cans, and compass points in just the right direction and planets aligned...

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this'd be in the actual cruncher, a c proggy

phf: mircea_popescu: i'm not sure that the problem is the recalculate, i think the problem is actually not in in combination with temp calculate

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes

phf: mircea_popescu: maybe try this with foo as (select distinct unnest(mods) as mod from factors) select * from moduli left outer join foo on module.idx = foo.mod where foo.mod is null;

asciilifeform: what am i missing, does mircea_popescu know of another way of thinking, that actually solves the problem with the available tooling at reasonable cost ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought your algo involved a temporary table

asciilifeform: trinque, mircea_popescu : how would this look in the given item ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: right, it is designed for ( what i know of ) the db, and thereby lacks many knobs that i'd dearly like to have

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: does 'in ...' run at same speed as 'not in ...' in mysql ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually 'looked in' plenty, and always run into this nonsense

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ludicrously slow

BingoBoingo wonders what gabriel_laddel is up to, and how the foot is.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: does eulora run on arm64 ? ( or, perhaps better q, does it contain any gnarly x86-specific asm )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's starvation-cheap. sorta the appeal. 1 to 2 hundy usd

a111: Logged on 2018-04-24 19:28 phf: diana_coman: is the protocol the entirety of documentation for client writers or there's more stuff in the pipeline?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman , et al, other folx who travel -- i'd like to get a picture of whether there is 'market' in l1/l2 for a pre-engentooated ( laugh at the laddel-ism, but it promises to be a somewhat painful process involving crocodile and eeprom writer ) 'c101pa' rockchip lappy . ☟︎☟︎

phf: diana_coman: is the protocol the entirety of documentation for client writers or there's more stuff in the pipeline? ☟︎

phf: diana_coman: i meant to say that your protocol has less message types

phf: well, i'm still going to post a comment about it though on diana_coman's blog, this is more or less thoughts out loud.

a111: Logged on 2018-04-24 12:48 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-17#1801153 << what's your eta on this ? (and for that matter http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-09#1794641 ?)

deedbot: Invoiced mircea_popescu .0336 << shared hosting for s.mg april 24 2018 through april 30 2019 ☟︎

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ty fxd

asciilifeform: and incidentally diana_coman if you still need a kernel config with iptables etc support -- also ping me

danielpbarron: https://youtu.be/dht_3NziwSw << a man alone

a111: Logged on 2018-04-22 17:52 mircea_popescu: meanwhile it's become a fixation in the children ; now merge it with the church of self esteem and its holy youcandoanything, and the REASON http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-16#1800094 ie "smart kids" always being found with their pants down acting the "man alone" part and never learning anything from the experience is pretty fucking clear.

a111: Logged on 2018-04-16 16:19 mircea_popescu: man acting alone is stuck with these "oh, a conclave of idiots bent on self preservation and avoiding the lowly station their idiocy warrants them holds all the power, and i'll act as man alone confronted by governemnt".

asciilifeform: 'BN_gcd gets called to check that _e_ and _p-1_ are relatively prime. This function is not constant time, and leaks critical GCD state leading to information on _p_.' and a few moar.

mod6: mircea_popescu: makes sense.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect he's asking re the customs racket

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: montevideo was just about soviet-level of exhaust gas

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly

a111: Logged on 2018-04-22 10:24 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, hey, can i get a shared acct for hosting minigame's files etc ?

a111: Logged on 2018-04-09 14:45 mircea_popescu: phf i guess next on your plate is make a prototype proper grapher for all time ? then mod6 can put that in v and avoid further such wtfs.

asciilifeform: which shows ? mike_c ?

asciilifeform: meanwhile in brokenlinx, mircea_popescu , http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you/ << contains btcalpha linx