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a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 22:12 danielpbarron: but all sorta moot now because i can't legally opperate a gambling thing

a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 22:13 mircea_popescu: you can't legally do anything but die quietly in a corner.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877609 << there's even a vacant rk, available to danielpbarron . ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 22:11 mircea_popescu: i suppose they'd host a pogo for you, but latest thinking here is that not rly worth the amps.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877608 << pogo is a 256MB ram / 2core / 800MHz box, and takes up considerable vertical space if you mount the sata disk ; rk is a 2GB / 4core / 1.8GHz box, and takes up 2cm of vertical ( and there is existing rack of'em ) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 22:09 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877303 << im sure they'll even host one of yours. didn't you have a crate of them or such ?

a111: Logged on 2015-10-15 01:03 mircea_popescu: if you want a Tatra truck, ask for it.

a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 21:50 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877555 << in fact, atari is terrible example. consider : su housing free, BECAUSE industrial construction process (discussed pluriously eg http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-06#1832377 ) existed, and might as wqell make hruscheba as wartime-replacement-machining-plant-in-six-weeks-in-ural-jungle (which is wat it was invented for, "industrial" meant a specific thing cca 1941, something in the vei

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877582 << sorta why asciilifeform is an 'old-time su' fan, of sorts. thing was run ottoman-style, 'these are our slaves, let's keep them in decent quarters, actual milk, etc', 'let's build rockets so barbarian invader thinks twice' , etc. 'phree world' sees the plebe as moar of a game animal than farm horse, 'if dies, dies'. turns out, makes for objectively shittier existence for near-errybody. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: you can't legally do anything but die quietly in a corner. ☟︎☟︎

danielpbarron: but all sorta moot now because i can't legally opperate a gambling thing ☟︎

mircea_popescu: i suppose they'd host a pogo for you, but latest thinking here is that not rly worth the amps. ☟︎

danielpbarron: and re: timeframe above: the idea was use a FG at home to make a big binary file and then send it to the server to use

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877303 << im sure they'll even host one of yours. didn't you have a crate of them or such ? ☝︎☟︎

BingoBoingo: Merkel hadn't driven this new EU thing into the Mud and the Russians had a long rebuild in front of them

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877296 you know, not like you couldn't use a fg. there's code ready made by smg for all this ☝︎

BingoBoingo: The SU may have had the loss of Stalin shock, but my generation grew up in gringostan on a solid diet of "end of history"

a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 21:31 asciilifeform: as a larva i had nfi ~why~ the 'grandfathers' were made of diff stuff, quite evidently to naked eye, than errybody's fathers, but was clear that they were.

a111: Logged on 2014-11-24 22:58 asciilifeform: jurov: tank is a particular type of tractor, let's say. it cultivates sovereignty (or did, in the age of the tank, but why nitpick) rather than edibles.

a111: Logged on 2018-07-06 18:46 mircea_popescu: (ro used the prefab construction process -- first, send mining equipment, flatten land ; then, put in rail ; then, roll out a rail crane, and roll prefab on cars up to it ; then move the derivation

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877555 << in fact, atari is terrible example. consider : su housing free, BECAUSE industrial construction process (discussed pluriously eg http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-06#1832377 ) existed, and might as wqell make hruscheba as wartime-replacement-machining-plant-in-six-weeks-in-ural-jungle (which is wat it was invented for, "industrial" meant a specific thing cca 1941, something in the vei ☝︎☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: there's ye olde 'comfort breeds idjicy' hypothesis, but it's a 'what' and not a 'how'

mircea_popescu: why shouldn't a generation reproduce the previous ? if not formally, at least the larger chunks of substance ?

asciilifeform: as a larva i had nfi ~why~ the 'grandfathers' were made of diff stuff, quite evidently to naked eye, than errybody's fathers, but was clear that they were. ☟︎

asciilifeform: last gen that worked with stalin and was actually answerable for results, with the psychodynamics of 'it worx, or my arse on a plate' baked into their firmware.

asciilifeform: consider that 'soyuz' rocket that ~still~ produced, is a korolev ('50s, but really stalin-era staff) design.

mircea_popescu: country gets a set of resources each generation, and ALWAYS SPENDS THEM. there's no option to "save", the 20yos now floating about will not be cryopreserved.

mircea_popescu: amortization is ~not meaningful~ in this context. there's nothing to ever amortize, macro-economically, that's specifically not how a country works.

mircea_popescu: the notion of "soviet computer work amortizing" is EXACTLY this sort of "naive extension". the ~very concept~ of "amortization" exactly mirrors the concept of "reproduction" in the previous step : you are using a naive notion that you're trying to extend naively.

asciilifeform: 'here's d00d with milling machine, he and assistant made this mold, took week, can you pay him for a week? not that it matters, he's booked 365d/y '

a111: Logged on 2014-11-26 00:46 asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.

mircea_popescu: of staying airborne, weight kills. so therefore, it makes way the fuck more sense to have iron bird's ovopositor on the ground, and construct a http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-26#934786 rather than attempt a http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/ " ☝︎

mircea_popescu: "the notion that airplanes could reproduce through laying eggs is merely a naive extension, in the vein of 'object A has properties a and b ; object B shares property a and therefore it is reasonable ~~~on a first approximation~~~ to expect it exhibit proerty b'. nevertheless, artifacts differ from nature in that one fundamental aspect, that they're inefficient, and therefore to achieve same ends end up heavy, and in the case ☟︎☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform as a larva, was taken to a su plastics factory where father was commissioning sumthing-or-other cover for some mechanism. and learned not only how plastic objects made, but why he 'no canhaz' custom one

mircea_popescu: take things one at a time.

mircea_popescu: let's take this one at a time. do you in fact understand what hole i see in "reproduce airplanes through egg laying" ?

asciilifeform: he was told by viziers that the only approach that has remote chance of staying solvent, was to copy ameri-tech. it had track record of working, surface to air rocket was copied at penny to the dollar of original cost, and worked a++ (still fielded in fact, from that period even)

a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 20:25 mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the retard farms, LordMPofTMSR "Not even kidding." Lola_25 "Umm... what?" LordMPofTMSR "Think of it as an intelligence test. That you're failing." Lola_25 "Great! It seems like a quiz that I'm happy to fail" LordMPofTMSR "You failed everything to date, what "happy". You're happy like the chair's "happy" it can't walk : since it can not walk anyway... Now get lost."

asciilifeform: just as e.g. organic chem is a german biz, by birth

mircea_popescu: it's a country adequate to the time and needs of jefferson, it'd make the best agrarian 1700s the world has ever seen.

asciilifeform: usa also had a figure who resisted '1024 chickens' (his phrase!) -- s. cray

asciilifeform: there's a serious fucktardation risk factor one gets from being chronically broke

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well yes, i'm not discussing end results. a tiny country on the black sea isn't gonna outrun us/su, it ain't fucking finland.

asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform looked for a native ro cpu, but never found )

a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 20:38 asciilifeform: whereas in e.g. '60s su actually had ic (of a sort) prior to the gringos

asciilifeform: rright but this one here's a tech deadend

asciilifeform: i cannot presume to pin this down exactly. will share hypothesis tho : '50s-'60s su excelled at 'castles' , 'institutional' mega-constructions. venus rocket is a pyramid. but ic is a konsoomer-driven affair

mircea_popescu: but let's dig into it : WHAT ~precisely~, in central substance if not in peculiars of extension, DROVE this switch from "hey hey, soviet won space race and has ics of a sort" into this "ho, ho, soviet's buying scrapyard fare at new-from-factory prices" ?

mircea_popescu: so, you know, "as the 70s dawned, russian man came to this weird personal belief that he who thinks last wins". i suppose in a sense could be abomb-psychosis driven.

asciilifeform: ( who even into '70s persisted in a belief that there's 'amazing su tech' worth fishing out of e.g. sunken su sub , with howard hughes' mega-boat ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: whereas in e.g. '60s su actually had ic (of a sort) prior to the gringos ☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877283 << i'm not saying i got a read so clear i can argue anyone out of his ; but how does this reconcile with the "achieve&over-achieve" policy ; and ~everything else~ about that regime. after all, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-17#1373877 did not copy lincoln. ☝︎☝︎

mircea_popescu: so i suppose topical : that sounds like a story she's happy to have missed. AS LARVA.

mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the retard farms, LordMPofTMSR "Not even kidding." Lola_25 "Umm... what?" LordMPofTMSR "Think of it as an intelligence test. That you're failing." Lola_25 "Great! It seems like a quiz that I'm happy to fail" LordMPofTMSR "You failed everything to date, what "happy". You're happy like the chair's "happy" it can't walk : since it can not walk anyway... Now get lost." ☟︎

mircea_popescu: anyway, was over a kitten or something.

mircea_popescu: nah, cat wins a pyrrhyc victory.

asciilifeform: i somehow missed reading this one as a larva

a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 18:41 asciilifeform: ( was it a variant of aesop's frog and scorpion..? )

asciilifeform enhanced the spam trap a little bit ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: after all answr is a 3 (decimal) digit

a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 15:05 asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874898 worx a+++ : prior, there was always 1 or 2 spamola in the mod queue erry day, ~through the broken google liquishit~, whereas nao -- none

asciilifeform: clearly a market for spiked rear bumpers!111

BingoBoingo: Anyways, the biggest threat to parked cars is people parking their own cars. According to local lore plastic bumpers make vechicles immune to low speed collision damage and so when parking local will force a parking spot into existence ☟︎

BingoBoingo: But yes, the vest people interested in cars are a sort of bum

BingoBoingo: With whatever the fuck Y does being a coinflip

asciilifeform: i vaguely recall that brazil used to shoot these right on the spot, a++ approach, but possibly this was in the good old days and nomoar

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: A pichi is a bum

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wtf again is a pichi

asciilifeform: btw a very good chunk of the present-day cad monopoly biz is powered by tech written by bolix escapees. i tracked some of'em down ( and no they dun answer my mail... ) , they built the current cad houses. ☟︎

asciilifeform: MUCH easier to write on top of a sane os, with sane raster graphics stack etc, than on anyffing we presently have.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cad is 1 of the open problems for which a bolix clone would be +9000 mechanical lever.

asciilifeform: ( observe that even FG i had to design on a warez cad, after wasting ~months~ on trying 'open sores' variants; but at least it was much lighter-weight / non-winblowz item. still had to be cracked, & run on a 'toilet'. )

asciilifeform: incidentally, danielpbarron , iirc yer a money man, wtf are you still doing parked in the reich ??

asciilifeform: usg claims ownership of all gamblers, http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-software-licensing-paradigm/#selection-133.0-140.0 - style; and thereby prosecutes pokerists in same style as e.g. cig smugglers in nyc

BingoBoingo: Anyways you take the ears off of a Qntra 9" deep rackmount box and it fits in a medium sized 24" checked bag

danielpbarron: doesn't stop me from writing a bot

danielpbarron: pretty sure they got micon of seals with clubs in a very similar situation

danielpbarron: what's the legality of such a thing? bot hosted in uraguay but operater lives in US

BingoBoingo: lobbes: I suspect for gambling danielpbarron will want a "closed" box

lobbes: danielpbarron: fwiw my pizarro rockchip has served me well thus far as a home for both auctionbot and for mp-wp. Hell, you could run a mirror for your church's www in the event it goes down AND host the poker bot

asciilifeform: i dun expect this is a q having a straight mathematical answer

asciilifeform: danielpbarron: yer on a computer, errything is at least slightly buffered. problem with 'here's a year worth of rng' is 1) somebody gets to it 2) what when you run through ?

a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 03:37 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877212 << you can have a decent, new construction, 4-6k sqm floor space metal structure warehouse in ro for 100k+/-. but yes, more generally there's no place for real estate like europe. rest of the world, latam especially, 100% africans, built five huts in fifteen centuries. of which two burned down, so the other three are EVEN MORE VALUABLE NOW

asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu described a similar scheme a few yrs ago

asciilifeform: if you stored rng, and somebody gets a peek...

asciilifeform: danielpbarron: we have a thread re the problem of storing rng.

danielpbarron: asciilifeform, i was thinking i could make a big binary file with FG at home, and send it to the bot

BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well, something must be said for the parallels between an independent box and a sort of temple.

asciilifeform: rly, danielpbarron , you'd make a poker without rng ?

asciilifeform: ( was it a variant of aesop's frog and scorpion..? ) ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 03:15 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1876942 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1876009 ; also ended anglo finance and ~everything else. there's a ushinski story about the cat fighting a falcon, end results similar.

BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Given that your system makes partnerships and joint ventures difficult, have you given thought to services you could offer the republic or your church which might justify racking a box?

a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 22:55 asciilifeform: but possibly this only worx on a ~very~ long timescale

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877254 << pretty lulzy, and apparently not a joak -- indeed some folx, somewhere, habitually move 20-30k coin in 1 shot, and doing it with prb and onto segshitaddrs ☝︎☟︎

lobbesbot: danielpbarron: Sent 2 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> If I find karaoke in MVD will you consider a prospecting visit?

danielpbarron: i will consider a visit with or without the karaoke

BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell danielpbarron If I find karaoke in MVD will you consider a prospecting visit?

BingoBoingo: Now if you want to see delusional cranked up a few notches... There's Paraguay https://inmueble.mercadolibre.com.py/MPY-400223044-vendo-quinta-en-minga-guazu-alto-paranakm-185codg38-_JM

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877212 << you can have a decent, new construction, 4-6k sqm floor space metal structure warehouse in ro for 100k+/-. but yes, more generally there's no place for real estate like europe. rest of the world, latam especially, 100% africans, built five huts in fifteen centuries. of which two burned down, so the other three are EVEN MORE VALUABLE NOW ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 02:32 asciilifeform: ( in bucharest there's a microshit bldg, where they keep amstan 's . but that's afaik more or less it )