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mircea_popescu: wtf "wrodwise" ? the only way to do division is divisor-bitsize
mircea_popescu: we continue comparing the divisor, adding bits from the divident's tail and substracting the divident until we run out of digits, at which time we have the remainder. every time we substract we mark down an 1, every time we add digits from the divident's tail we mark down a 0.
mircea_popescu: 3. we substract the divisor from this fragment of the divident, obtaning 1 0100 1100 1110 1010 0110 01 - 10 1110 1010 1101 0111 0000 = 10 0100 1000 1101 0010 1001 (aka 2395433).
mircea_popescu: 2. we select the first 22 bits of the dividend, to wit 1 0100 1100 1110 1010 0110 0 and we compare the divisor to it. as the divisor is larger, we add one further bit, obtaining 1 0100 1100 1110 1010 0110 01.
mircea_popescu: 1. we notice that 349087340 being 1 0100 1100 1110 1010 0110 0110 1100 is 29 bits long. we further notice that 3059056 being 10 1110 1010 1101 0111 0000 is 22 bits long.
mircea_popescu: Here's how we divide 349087340 to 3059056 :
asciilifeform: ( if it can be turned into div with remainder... )
asciilifeform: believe or not there are several known subquadratic division algos
mircea_popescu: this is the stupidest shit i ever heard. gimme two numbers.
asciilifeform: ( the egyptian multer, now gone -- did walk the bits, and was directly analogous to the knuthian divider )
asciilifeform: notice that it doesn't walk the bits
asciilifeform: the way the comba multer works
mircea_popescu: well, it's the core of the combustion engine, innit ? continuously-variably-voluminous.
asciilifeform: maker of cpu will almost unavoidably take an interest in 'ffa-style' arithmetizing.
asciilifeform: and why almost the entirety of the ~useful~ reading material asciilifeform collected, was from iron makers
asciilifeform: it reflects the reality of what a 'constantspacetime program' really is.
mircea_popescu: there's some common language overload that seems to make "mechanism" preferable, but it's slight and who cares.
asciilifeform: show the gates.
asciilifeform: that's what it resolves to.
mircea_popescu: this new item is to my eyes fundamental pillar of "fit in head", because a thoroughly well understood mechanism can then be relegated to background and built upon.
mircea_popescu: W, precisely, it is to be obtained. this is why the concept of "function" as heretofore used is not useful in republican computing, and we must introduce a new item.
mircea_popescu: oh btw, should prolly formalize the function/mechanism thing from yest a bit. so, a function (in the correct, math understanding, a "procedure" in cs lingo is no different, which is why lisp hasn't "procedures") denotes correct results, but does not connote any particular method of obtaining them. this is no good for us, in many military applications, where we must actually specify not merely WHAT is being sought, but also HO
asciilifeform: ( precisely how to do this, i have not yet determined )
asciilifeform: and this works out
asciilifeform: other observation , gleaned from mircea_popescu and then from knuth -- can modularly ~add~ inside karatsubatron
asciilifeform: but i still gotta massage the divider
mircea_popescu: i can't say that i know. what complexity is our current item ?
asciilifeform: ( typically it is the silent lurkers who read every line of it, oddlyenough )
a111: Logged on 2017-09-13 20:15 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713497 << man your answers are terrible! what happened to "yes, our current item is O n^3 log n ?" or "no, our current item is n log n" ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713808 << i did assume that d00d read the current coad ☝︎
mircea_popescu: but just saying for teh record.
mircea_popescu: now, good insulation DOES model the flow of heat, ie the hotter outer part will cool more before it touches your sram, so not entirely useless.
asciilifeform: was thinking of the 'omfg it floats in mid air' rather than thermal aspect, there.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i know that aerogel ain't a maxwell's demon, lol
a111: Logged on 2017-09-13 17:17 asciilifeform: apeloyee: anything that beats multiply-then-divide is an improvement, so long as it meets the basic demands ( constant time, constant space, NO branches that depend on input bits, no use of approximations, no massively heavy - 100 loc is a good approx max - code )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713497 << man your answers are terrible! what happened to "yes, our current item is O n^3 log n ?" or "no, our current item is n log n" ? ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you realise thermic isolation is a time function, yes ? eventually all parts of assemblage do end up in thermic equilibrium, there's no pill for this. insulation just makes it take longer is all.
a111: Logged on 2015-01-18 21:18 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: head-worn displays are considered, by usg, to be key military tech (all existing manufacturers of serious - i.e. svga and above units - supply usg exclusively)
asciilifeform: ( possible example of the former -- http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-18#982523 ; of the latter -- aerogels ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: there is imho a marked difference tho b/w 'nobody mass produces this' and 'nobody knows how'
asciilifeform: some folx make holographs today, in their cellars, it is i suspect the same attraction. rather like colour film in 1930s ☟︎
asciilifeform: it's really half the attraction of having own decent lab setup
asciilifeform has a coffin notebook little list of items that nobody knows how to produce industrially, and so never expects to touch with own hands
mircea_popescu: well you print things
mircea_popescu: no, gotta leave something for the industrious to gift.
asciilifeform half-expected mircea_popescu to say that he already had owned aerogel dildo.
asciilifeform: and not only could be, but could be attached to the end of a red hot poker , and subject would feel no heat
mircea_popescu would be genuinely curious if this could be done. on one hand trained girl can do wonders with ass, on other hand that thing is fragile as all fuck...
mircea_popescu: "your higheness, have your favourite slave fuck herself in the ass with it!"
asciilifeform: made at the time when the royal aluminum spoon gift etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: funnily enough there is a monument to this aluminum right here . washington obelisk has a top, 'priceless' pyramid of al
mircea_popescu: (and to round off the above : consider that the first metallic aluminum was shaped into a box and offered to the same person as the ironclad drawings were offered. whyssat ? cuz that's how all science flew back when people could control it.)
asciilifeform: did we ever do the chronometer thing ? a bit like that there egg, likewise craftsman 'unindustrial' product, and made the british navy briefly +ev
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's two kinds of people -- and only one of them comes back from the war to complain about the boots.
mircea_popescu: more importantly -- that the chinese DID takle over "industry", as well they should ; but that survival and prosperity depends on THIS. let them have THAT industry, it's actually a great fit for them.
asciilifeform: lathe driven moar by musketry than by fine art tho ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and broadly speaking -- that without THIS neither laplace nor the lathe are happening, period and full stop.
mircea_popescu: and laplace existed BECAUSE OF THIS not because "i fucking love science" and "you like nerds, fuck one" ie "we want to get more science".
mircea_popescu: but the point remains that the high performance lathe was invented FOR THIS not for that!
asciilifeform: i can picture it. and specifically what mircea_popescu meant, re 'craftsmanship' tech as opposed to industrial/scalables
mircea_popescu: so : the faberge egg, the original, was made in 1885 ; but it was the continuation and in a sense the crowing of a current of thought (ie, culture) and proper civilisation that reached back over a centry. ☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ( we had the thread, possibly )
asciilifeform: incidentally afaik von kempelen's mechanical voicebox was never replicated even to this day
mircea_popescu: so the austrian orfevres could make better movements for their puppets.
mircea_popescu: but the preoccupations of the culture at the time were such that INSTEAD he "of his own" "preferred" to solve some important geometry problemsa
mircea_popescu: dood could have been a general discussing importantly female transsexuals in the french expeditionary force
asciilifeform: i recall the automata, von kempelen et al
mircea_popescu: it's a longer running item than computing!
mircea_popescu: hence all the clock towers with figurines, and about 50% of german lands gdp.
mircea_popescu: before europe went stupid, and blacklivesmatter all over itself, there was a major concern with making mechanical life.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform define those ?
mircea_popescu: entirely orthogonal tech stacks ; and wouldn't you know it that the simple man's reaction to perceptible orthogonality is to pick one and pretend the rest dun exist.
asciilifeform: i thought those were late 19th c tech tho
mircea_popescu: and no, none of the "three for five bux, plastic injected and happy face" is in any way competition (or god help us replacement!) for what's here discussed.
mircea_popescu: we're at the third pass of midden filtering! think about it!
mircea_popescu: that "trademark" is now owned by unilever, as you might've guessed, and it's used to sell items in qatar, as you might've also guessed. the point being that the poor rich arabs are trying to salvage whatever's left of the tsar's pile of salvaged material, today. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: but on the significance front i asked because the principal preoccupation of the russian tsar afrter the french went stupid was to rescue as much of the old world industry stack as possible, which is how jhe ended up with swiss, austrian, french etc manufacturers.
mircea_popescu: anyway, since nobody apparently got the faberge egg bait, let's put it in the logs. so yes on the substance front i asked alf if he knows what it is because it is in fact stained glass, except with gold instead of lead and porcelain instead of glass, ie just like his properly cast key, piston-and-typeface in metal, bulk in porcelain.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/09/civil-unrest-continues-in-charleston-leftist-culture-warriors-move-historical-revisionism-target-to-university-founder-thomas-jefferson/ << Qntra - Civil Unrest Continues In Charleston: Leftist Culture Warriors Move Historical Revisionism Target To University Founder Thomas Jefferson
a111: Logged on 2017-09-13 19:21 mircea_popescu: way the fuck cheaper socially than my stricter "i will only have children in a society where i get to decide if they live or die"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713729 << this is not even a correct statement. more properly "i will desist killing all my offspring before gestation completes if and only if my sovereign right to kill them at any time is socially recognized". ☝︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: So long as Trump can pull GOP to electoral sweet spot of a little economically liberal and a lotta socially conservative
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, the flip is happening Great Again!
trinque: I can see that point
mircea_popescu: trinque it is better to be elevated than cast down.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well, us "parties" history is funny in that having no proper substance of their own (let alone ideology, bridge too far) they keep osciallting throiugh the same zero both. it's like centennial switcharoo game.
trinque: romans would toss the duds into slavery, eh? similar outputs?
mircea_popescu: way the fuck cheaper socially than my stricter "i will only have children in a society where i get to decide if they live or die" ☟︎
mircea_popescu: come to think of it, the arrangement where the woman is a slave (like every sultan's consort up to roxana) and her offspring ARE SLAVES TOO until such a time father thinks otherwise (which yes, can be coming of age, if ever) is probably best way to do it.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> nonsensical-populist. << And not Pantsuit took over the party he founded
mircea_popescu: not enough popdensity for populism to work politically yet.
mircea_popescu: really, ran on the time's MAGA platform, got nowhere.
asciilifeform: at least had the sense to mostly withdraw from public life
mircea_popescu: but if it's not fucking obvious that in 1800 agrarianism is another word for nonsense...
mircea_popescu: at the time, this was called "agrarian"
mircea_popescu: jefferson was, in truth, a bit of a lulzfest after his unseating. somewhat of an early us ron paul / jirinowski etc.
trinque: got to take trip(s) to paris, etc, didn't she?
mircea_popescu: the pretention that "they have other things to do" a flimsy wrapper over the obvious "you've nobody that'd take you in"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it'd work a-ok for all the current ronin ones.
mircea_popescu: but the more general points of "rape" and "racism" were being discussed.