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mircea_popescu: there's a reason there's !!key etc.
asciilifeform: the funniest bit is that anybody who spends a few $10k to find sha1 collision, can take it one step further and make a valid subkey for asciilifeform's, or mircea_popescu's, etc. key ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( anybody can lift a modulus from one place, and drop it in another, so this kind of 'graffiti' is trivial )
shinohai: Perhaps will come to pass when the app gets submitted.
shinohai thinks it would be kinda neat to have a eulora cloak
mircea_popescu: and for the freenode curious, http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-10-01.log.html#t21:46:47
asciilifeform: diana_coman: make sure you take the version marked 'update:'
asciilifeform: ( nor anything else, it's just the arithm. routines. )
asciilifeform: you will notice that koch's rng atrocity ain't in there.
diana_coman: sounds good in this respect
asciilifeform: which you then link against.
asciilifeform: nice thing, is that it dun need libs at all
asciilifeform: ( initially i was building for the mips cpu of the original protocardano, and hence EVERYTHING that could be thrown out --- was )
diana_coman: will let you know; in any case, crapple is not of much concern to s.mg ; players can crapple if they want to
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform possibly needed by people trying to compile mac client. not otherwise.
asciilifeform: i'll dig it out, if you end up using this.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: my mpi builds on all platforms, but on crapple requires a 1ln fix in the make
diana_coman appreciates very well that part with "astonishingly painful to properly saw off the kochball" after this past year of sawing off ps shit
asciilifeform: ( runs on normalized integers, ALL ops take variable time, etc )
asciilifeform: note that this is a traditional, kochian, leaking bignumatron.
asciilifeform: see also the linked article, for pedantic list of what was cut and why.
asciilifeform: ^ various threads re how and why asciilifeform did this
mircea_popescu: diana_coman looks like the place to drill yeah.
asciilifeform: ditches the asmolade, various redundancies, automakeisms
asciilifeform: trims down gpg into a quite small (relatively to original, not, e.g. ffa) c lib
diana_coman: asciilifeform, oh, I'll certainly read that
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the item is currently plaintext ; i would like to have at least the forms of correctness.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/qntra-sqntr-september-2017-statement/ << Trilema - Qntra (S.QNTR) September 2017 Statement
asciilifeform: i won't put my signature on a leaking rsatron. but i also grasp 'go to war with the shovel you have', we're for instance still using rotten ol' gpg.
mircea_popescu: and yes, rsa properly examined did turn out to be a lot more work, and a lot more stacked shit papered over in the imperial usage, than originally thought.
diana_coman: fwiw I do see where asciilifeform is coming from and esp re leaking keys but at the same time can't stall eulora on this either, so some sort of thing will have to be cobbled together at best as it can be atm
mircea_popescu: year+ turns out to be ~14 months.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-27 22:14 mircea_popescu: course since the nsa consulting work for minigame is going to produce ada rsa, it might be an idea to have an ~ada~ tmsr crypto lib.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-06 00:01 asciilifeform proposes to implement this subsystem for s.mg.
mircea_popescu: for the historically inclined : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-06#1515745 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1591437 are prolly the relevant anchors for this discussion. ☝︎☝︎
diana_coman: neah, not the chat really, though merchant works atm via cli/chat so there would be that presumably
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ideally chat will move to irc altogether.
asciilifeform: ah hm, there's a chat, isnt there.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, there is more info than just movements being passed between client and server
asciilifeform: side q : for what does eulora even need crypto ? authentication - i can see, needs. but the movements of the players are theoretically public, neh?
asciilifeform: but this is 'bridge too far' yet.
asciilifeform: ( my current guess is that, sadly, it would not. would need a matrix of'em )
asciilifeform: how close this item is, even optimistically, depends on whether it could fit in ice40-8k.
mircea_popescu: at least from a theoretical pov.
asciilifeform: but no, asciilifeform does not have one ready to run.
mircea_popescu: i suppose that might work.
asciilifeform: rather, a standard, e.g., verilog mips, with the registers extended to 8192b. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and i don't want to bake things that've not even been tested as software.
asciilifeform: or, more simply, a rs232 thing, a la fg
asciilifeform: ( proper rsa is 'heavier' than most folx, incl. asciilifeform of a few yrs ago, appreciated. consider, ussr never was able to afford rsa at all. )
mircea_popescu: yeah but how't that work, i make a line speed fpga based encrypto/decryptor and use it as a router ?
asciilifeform: ( incidentally fast ffalicious rsa on ~fpga~ is trivial. )
mircea_popescu: s.mg oif course assumes 0 liability to accounts lost through the process of leaking keys.
asciilifeform continues the very slow and painful walk through most of undergrad number theory that leads, possibly, to usable nonleaking rsa on pc.
mircea_popescu: what i got is what i got, and that's what the community in turn gets, and when it has a better idea -- implementation it is one comment out away.
mircea_popescu: i ~tried~ to have crypto.
mircea_popescu: at least it makes the community failure plain to the community.
asciilifeform: if hiring fortune teller - hire cheapest. but ftr i dun get how this beats not having crypto.
mircea_popescu: the only item ready to go in is in fact koch's, and so he gets imported.
mircea_popescu: need was correctly identified year+ in advance ; the fact work is ongoing is no solace -- something must go in, and it will go in now.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i guess we'll be having this problem demonstrated in practice. what can i do ?
mircea_popescu: since the client is intended to dissolve into competing community-driven implementations anyway, i don't expect to even be involved in weighing that maybe.
asciilifeform: imho using a nonfixedtime rsatron in realtime, is worse than not using any crypto at all
mircea_popescu: but basically, the only practical approach here is to actually import the gpg implementation, warts and all, but modularily, and see later maybe it can be swapped out.
asciilifeform does not know ~anything about how eulora goes together, cannot comment in detail
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in any case the implementation will be isolated, so that one can swap his preferred item in.
mircea_popescu: in any case the problem is that i'll have to design some kind of extender, can't do pure rsa throughout because of the sheer load. there's multiple messages/sec
asciilifeform: this is a fundamental headache, innit. 'wanna use actual rsa, or that thing you've been fraudulently introduced to as rsa, that leaks key, but runs fast'
mircea_popescu: well, players are problematic. they might download the game and wait for a few hours to get a key going. then again they might not. nobody's waiting for a week tho, i don't expect.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is a barrettian ( theoretically 1s/4096 ) rsatron, usable ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716110 << latest, iirc, thread ☝︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ffa arithmetic stack is theoretically available. however until i have barrett reduction going, it's a ~30 second modular exponentiation ( i.e. per rsa op )
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I'm currently looking at eulora rsa and I'm a bit foggy (I know and followed the bits posted in the logs but it's a long trail): what is available/ready to use atm?
mircea_popescu: and in other "we used to be cool"s, http://s3-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2011/3/4/15/enhanced-buzz-14488-1299271596-9.jpg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform something like that.
mircea_popescu: "heavily counseled parties to mega-mergers do not breach merger agreements out of inadvertence, negligence, or mistake."
mircea_popescu: or to put it in its canonical form, http://trilema.com/2013/our-emperor-deliver-us/#selection-39.331-39.449
asciilifeform: nao i'm curious - what was to litigate ? 'we sent you phreestuff for 8mo, now pay' 'buzz off' 'we sue' ?
mircea_popescu: hey, i know a certain petro plant that got free gas for about 8 months.
asciilifeform: there are some pretty demented folx in fiatoladom : at one time, some years ago, asciilifeform got year+ of phree service, for no reason, from a konsoomer 'last mile' isp
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 03:42 mircea_popescu: in other lulz asciilifeform : phuctor server raid array failing, when'd you like the item restarted ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's put it this way, i noticed http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714183 because i was going to pay them. ☝︎
asciilifeform: now to be fair i have nfi what the billing cycle was, even
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1719161 << yes. so would be phuctor, but in its strange wisdom teh empire decided to donate the hosting ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1719150 << lulziest shit of all time. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the titty ranch, http://68.media.tumblr.com/dc870678a61907d4f2b4f17250d29eb5/tumblr_nsfzwbHkVt1s2wsdzo1_400.gif
mod6: ya, very cool trinque
a111: Logged on 2017-10-01 16:23 trinque: which incidentally is now out; I'll write it up shortly
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/09/29/trying-so-hard-to-be-soviet-and-failing/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Trying so hard to be Soviet, and failing.
trinque: ^ for some curious reason this thing's behaving strangely dropped on a bsd
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-masters-textbook-why-do-girls-seek-you-out/ << Trilema - The Master's Textbook - Why do girls seek you out ?
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/now-you-understand-how-she-feels/ << Trilema - Now you understand how she feels.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/damele-dameleee/ << Trilema - Damele, dameleee
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/09/29/lesser-than-north-korea-joins-china-in-banning-ico-fad-ether-prices-drop-with-news/ << Bingo Blog - Lesser Than North Korea Joins China In Banning ICO Fad: Ether Prices Drop With News
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/09/27/trump-teaches-gop-senators-importance-of-selling-by-example-learns-limits-of-his-brand/ << Bingo Blog - Trump Teaches GOP Senators Importance Of Selling By Example, Learns Limits Of His Brand
trinque: btw, anyone needing to run a deed today, just PM it to me. I'll be working on moving that to the new box this afternoon.
diana_coman: anyways, it can wait until trinque fixes it, not a big thing
diana_coman: asciilifeform, heh, thanks; ofc I have the keys otherwise - I was just getting trb on a new box and getting the keys for it via deedbot seemed most straightforward
asciilifeform: diana_coman: and in your trb wot dir likewise.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: there's a copy at http://loper-os.org/pgp.asc