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asciilifeform: reminds me of a famous (in the right circles) incident in su, in 1981

mircea_popescu: this is the truth pantsuit vehehehery carefully tiptoes around every time they're "discussing" usg's foreign policy outlay : usg is a chinese vassal, it has to ask for permission. ☟︎

asciilifeform: i have nfi how and why putting sumthing through a column is patentable. but it aint any odder than the rest of that racket.

mircea_popescu: who knew a parliament is not a functional system!

mircea_popescu: that's fucking beautiful. huawei suing us congress over being a rat'\s nest. this shall be a lulz to watch.

PeterL: WU only cost 8 bucks to send to bingoboingostan. Lady at the counter asked "you know this person?" "yes." "This isn't a telemarketer, is it?" "um, no" - such great fraud prevention

BingoBoingo: There's a decision matrix here: Inside US y/n, if yes WU is available and less expensive. Otherwise bank wire.

BingoBoingo: Pickup was a success, thank you PeterL

BingoBoingo: PeterL: Tyvm. I'll head out to pick it up in a bit

asciilifeform: oblig 'is that a real program, or is that something somebody wrote?'(tm)(r)

mircea_popescu: it's a perl script anyways.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-07#1900826 << this is pretty interesting to asciilifeform ; believe or not, i've never used automatic log eater, all of my stats since i 1st had a www, go through unspeakable handwritten perlisms ☝︎

BingoBoingo: PeterL: There's also a 10 digit number you'll get. That's what I need to do the pickup.

BingoBoingo: Depending on when you get to it, I may not be able to confirm pickup until tomorrow. This is GMT-3 timezone and the last places to pickup close at 21:00. They usually have lines so figure 23:00 GMT is the cut off for a same day send and pickup.

mircea_popescu: a ok

mircea_popescu: ie, a more practical avenue might be perhaps to invite the fellow to join your own castle ? what's he to do otherwise, get himself banned here ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'll do it if it's a normal pp , but if it's like the last one it prolly won't work from my machine

a111: Logged on 2018-11-29 17:10 Mocky: in truth i do feel like idjit for being old man without the brains to have saved anything. i don't even have a workshop full of shit like asciilifeform

ben_vulpes: nothing so exciting; simply stacking up a tiny pile of variously purple and pink 'greenbacks' to exchange for sheetrock and buttcorns.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you building a house or wat

ben_vulpes: place is the 3rd or 4th largest population-wise and has much more humility and concomittantly a vastly greater depth to the sell-side of pretty much everything.

ben_vulpes: for all that the place is nominally filled with capitalists, nobody here drives like time is a rapidly exhausting resource. i seem to have landed in a town largely flavored like portland. nobody knows how to make coffee, and the region doesn't produce much by way of wine. but! where portland was the largest metropolis for a good hundred and fifty miles in any direction (and cavorted with airs to match), this

BingoBoingo: Well, look a it the other way. Intel has been shipping actual quantum computers for over a decade. Now not quantum in an useful way, and possibly quantum in the worst way, but as quantum in the most commercially relevant way so far.

asciilifeform: ( not a bite at trinque , i suspect it is genuinely stiff problem , fleanode apparently throws ~random garbage )

asciilifeform: would have to write it by hand. ( could use phuctor's as a base, but would rather not perpetrate another pythonism.. )

mircea_popescu: well eg in lobbes 's case there's also an auction thing, and the archiving bit, and so on ; in spyked's case there's also a lot of rss and so on. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: not sure why phf hadn't, but possibly because it's a finnicky setup on a lispmachine he can't reproduce, ie, the "10 minutes" in that case'd have included a decade's worth of encuntoo-ating whatever cl pile he uses.

asciilifeform: if these were available, could stand up a logger in 10min or so.. ☟︎

asciilifeform: i still wonder why phf and ben_vulpes didn't take a shot at genesising theirs ( asciilifeform , for instance, posted the phuctor frontend, fwliw )

mircea_popescu: not being reinvented or anything, just, it's a large thing because of all the trims.

asciilifeform for instance would luvv to log #pizarro and #asciilifeform , say, with own hands, but dun currently have time to write a frontend, and finds it peculiar that nobody's seen it fit to genesis theirs, srsly how many times does that 1 proggy gotta be reinvented

asciilifeform: incidentally, has anyone yet published a ~complete~ log bot kit ? last i knew , all that was trooly genesis'd is http://btcbase.org/patches/logbot-genesis , which is one-half of a log bot ( the rear half )

diana_coman: BingoBoingo, ready for a reset when you get there

feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/087-feedparse.html << The Tar Pit -- A feed parser for Common Lisp programs

diana_coman: I think I'll take a break and leave it until I have the smg test box back so at least I don't mess about with all sorts of versions of everything or I'll go nuts

asciilifeform: ok this is odd, cuz, recall, per http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-14#1896695 an' http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-16#1897234 , it oughta be _Unwind_SjLj_Resume , and not _Unwind_Resume ( the latter is a zcxism! ) ☝︎☝︎

diana_coman: possibly this is just a different mismatch

diana_coman: asciilifeform, for completeness, adacore's gnat with --rts=sjlj throws only one undefined reference rather than a bunch; here's the winner: undefined reference to symbol '_Unwind_Resume@@GCC_3.0'

asciilifeform: why aint there a chukcha chipset, btw.

diana_coman: you know, that was what I was trying to ensure on the test server (that it's linking with a sjljistic lib) when the simple removal of a symlink blew up in my face

asciilifeform: diana_coman: can you make a 'hello world' that reproduces this ? ( i.e. without seekrit server coad )

asciilifeform: afaik this can only mean that it is trying to link with a non-sjljistic gcc standard lib ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-03-06 16:55 diana_coman: in other unwanted discoveries: on trying to compile the whole server on the sjlj-gnat I got a bunch of undefined symbol for unwind_sjlj_raiseexception ; anyone knows about this?

asciilifeform: a turd by any other name, would smell as sweet (tm)(r)

mircea_popescu: diana_coman make a post once you fix it, with the list of what / how you fixed.

diana_coman: in other unwanted discoveries: on trying to compile the whole server on the sjlj-gnat I got a bunch of undefined symbol for unwind_sjlj_raiseexception ; anyone knows about this? ☟︎

mircea_popescu: you know, you can run a ms dos box in a java environment emulated in javascript bytecode!!1 ☟︎

mircea_popescu: "Ghidra is a software reverse engineering (SRE) framework developed by NSA's Research Directorate for NSA's cybersecurity mission. " << developed nothing, ida license with serials filed off!!1

diana_coman: me neither but it's a ...test machine; so it gets all tested, what can I say

asciilifeform: pretty strange effect, i haven't previously observed anyffin of the kind from removing a symlink

asciilifeform: trinque & other people with working cuntoos -- plox to take a look in the #p log and see if you can easily say what the orig. form of the nao-broken symlink looked like -- ty

BingoBoingo: hanbot: Do you anticipate needing a reset on your cuntoo box soon?

BingoBoingo: Aite, just wanted to make sure you weren't driving dull side into ground, climbing, and using sharp side as seat. Once again a case of reserve sharp side for enemy.

shinohai: Why does this feel like a Roman Pilum ?

asciilifeform can't be arsed to sacrifice a box to try an' run it, presently

asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathendom, usg 'open sores' a famous shitware: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-07#1622885 >> https://archive.is/Nhkkc ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-07 16:49 asciilifeform: in other cuntooisms : if anyone is short a x64 box to test-fire cuntoo with, asciilifeform has a surplus disposable box, 'lenovo s10-3' , with that same chipset as in x60 etc period ( https://archive.is/Dny84 ) , if anyone in l1 wants, it's yours for the cost of postage ( has a mechanical hdd in it, i fughet of what size )

spyked: asciilifeform, is http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-07#1893396 still available? I'm looking for a small machine to (ab)use for cuntoo install and IMHO this is a good alternative to scavenging the local junkyards for usable hw. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-03-05 18:23 mircea_popescu: btw, spyked lobbes either of you feel like implementing a http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-04#1900358 thing ?

a111: Logged on 2019-03-01 23:04 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-25#1889862 slash http://btcbase.org/log/2014-12-08#948046 lulz : the dork i used above for a source for the commie radio pictures (not that he originates them, they actually come from http://www.latrecut.ro/2006/05/ric-stramoshul-ipod-ului/ which is significantlly better contextually, but I was lazy) not only passes himself as a "Ministrul Cyberculturii | Recenzii, cronici, cr

mircea_popescu: honestly a sane box should not end up in the state you described, short of doing things to it like alf's easy bake oven.

mircea_popescu: i dunno anything else you could try instead of a reboot anyway.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have a bunch here, which have a tab! you switch it to permit writing or not!

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-05#1900534 << lol, ~read~ only. did find that there's a supposedly-write-once ro bit that one can set ( appears to work, but naturally i've no way to verify that there aint a magick undocumented sequence that resets it somehow ) ☝︎

mircea_popescu: lled, whatever, at which point its parent, ie, whoever spawned it, waits on it and cleans it up. 4. until such a thing happens, the ~process table~ still lists it, even though it is no longer able to ~do~ anything. this is a "zombie", process existing in listings only, not yet cleaned up by its parent. (it can, unfortunately, block unmounting).

mircea_popescu: should show the parent. basically, the way this whole thing works is as follows : 1. linux is organized around "processes", which are a sort of agents let's say. they're listed in /proc/ ; 2. any process can spawn other processes, the whole menagerie's spawned by the kernel (which in systemd thing is also process 1, hence the whole http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863880 thing ). 3. a process can close, or be terminated, ki ☝︎

mircea_popescu: hanbot do you have a file open somewhere ?

lobbes_field: To update: Now that I have a bootable Cuntoo, a hand-rolled Gentoo, and a proper keccak v setup (with ave1-gnat), the only item left in my 'remedial' hopper is to read and sign Spyked's keccak regrind of logbot_command_router_python >> http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/01/hopper-update-january-2019/

a111: Logged on 2019-03-05 18:23 mircea_popescu: btw, spyked lobbes either of you feel like implementing a http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-04#1900358 thing ?

lobbes_field: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-05#1900506 << sadly, I've got a neglected hopper to attend to first ☝︎

mircea_popescu: if volume is a concern, can limit it to so many bytes / time interval / ip. add command to your bot to whitelist ips by their being claimed by l2 people, then you can even invoice them.

mircea_popescu: btw, spyked lobbes either of you feel like implementing a http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-04#1900358 thing ? ☝︎☟︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: hey, i recall a time in the 90s irc was for dating. fulla exactly the kinda gal you'd like to meet, bash & fuck on 1st "date".

asciilifeform: 20y ago it was still possib to hear something interesting at a linux usergroup ( asciilifeform , for instance, in iirc 2004 went to local 1 and met a half-mad greybeard who 'mark my words, nsa boobytraps in the nic bios' , 1st mention in asciilifeform's memory of subj ) but certainly not today.

mircea_popescu: whatever, "Grupo de Usuarios de Linux de Costa Rica.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i translated the chinesium, it's 100% snoar, some kinda fiatological dark-age #b-a

asciilifeform: ( how? e.g. asciilifeform was unable to produce a usefully general break for the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2433 chip. which means still no 'tmsr lappy'. and so forth )

mircea_popescu: yes, of course. i'm not proposing you publish the damn thing in any particular scheme, or that your math comes out a particular way

mircea_popescu: this is no way to go about things, balance the tree, let everything get a commensurate qty of brain cycles.

mircea_popescu: a more balanced distribution of your own brainpower to the trees of your own life can only benefit you. as it is, you're stuck now spending weeks of time to deal with the results of decisions that took minutes to take on the basis of information you "compiled" in half seconds, by sucking thumbs.

mircea_popescu: you can't go through life like this, astride a horse that takes you wherever it pleases, that you barely even know or ever talk to. wtf, it's your fucking head, it's a head not a horse!

mircea_popescu: rather than being surprised by "random" events one could've seen coming a mile's worth of weeks away, if they bothered to look ; and rather than being surprised by where the horse decides to go.

asciilifeform: keccak, for instance, needs a solid block of at least 3d. how am i to know when i'll get 3d ?

mircea_popescu: it's like a kid who, in preference of learning 1 digit multiplication table, learned a tree of 12 principal excuses with 12 nodes each.

mircea_popescu: this is yet another red herring. it is evidently true one needs arbitrary long chunks for arbitrary long tasks, say "to prove m-r i need a weekend alone". but "ffa" IS NOT this. ffa is eminently aditive.

asciilifeform: needs at least a block of solid 5, just to reload into head.

mircea_popescu: it's not even true that asciilifeform 's gear trove is "worthless". everything has a value.

asciilifeform: maybe this is a revelation to mircea_popescu , but 3 noncontiguous 1hr timeslots birth 0 ffa.

mircea_popescu: "the cost to buy this $160`000 item [which really can be had at $8`000 with some regularity, if one's not in a hurry] for $7`750 is $7`750 in cash + dropping the ballo on ffa + whatever else it is.

asciilifeform: by mircea_popescu's 'quimby' formula, 100% of asciilifeform's gear is a loss, asciilifeform makes 0 moneys on his research.

mircea_popescu: it is still a deffective calculation, in that it only counts ~part~ of the cost, and compares to a ~dubious~ watermark.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's never a q of '10 cent cheaper', it's b/w the sticker price - usually 5-6 figs, prohibitive for asciilifeform entirely - and 'can haz'

mircea_popescu: the cost to own, the cost to use, these fucking figure into the total cost. what good is it you got something 50 or 500 or 5000 bucks cheaper than "the average" if the average wasn't even correctly calculated and as a bonus you lose your horses die in the fire started by the wife's funeral candles ?!

mircea_popescu: the man who drives 10 miles out of his way to buy a tank of gas a cent cheaper does the exact fucking thing, "oh, it was cheaper gas". no it fucking wasn't.

mircea_popescu: as to a) : 1. you see an item for sale, for price X. 2. you don't even bother to calculate the expected-average-X, i suspect, but merely "intuit" it, without even a full second's thought. 3. you calculate X-imagined-avg-X thus obtaining a delta, which then motivates you to purchase, and in the process ALSO commits you.

mircea_popescu: the issue here is that a) you don't correctly account for costs, and that b) you don't correctly communicate.

BingoBoingo: ^ Marketing roughly in the same league as a razor company telling their customers they need to be more feminine men

mircea_popescu: nobody was a better writer for being late at his barber.

mircea_popescu: nobody is asking you to do impossible, or even difficult things. the problem's not the things. the problem's that you have developed, and evidently through insistent practice ensconced, a very self-defeating style of working.

mircea_popescu: this is your problem here, see. like any mental problem, it has its articulations. to you i have no doubt this nonsense makes sense, "i can't promise one a week, i got a job".